(03-24-2016, 05:24 PM)GentleWanderer Wrote: Seems that STS oriented people are excellent actors, they can hide pretty well their polarity and real intentions to STO people.

(03-24-2016, 05:24 PM)GentleWanderer Wrote: Seems that STS oriented people are excellent actors, they can hide pretty well their polarity and real intentions to STO people.

(03-25-2016, 07:58 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: when you work in customer service you encounter STS people all the time.

They are super super super self entitled. Like the world owes them something. Very hard to deal with and communicate with. anyone who seems to have some semblence of "maturity" quickly degrades when they do not get what they want.

STS individuals will never take responsibility, and usually may not be living in the present moment but somewhere in the past or the future.

(03-24-2016, 05:24 PM)GentleWanderer Wrote: Seems that STS oriented people are excellent actors, they can hide pretty well their polarity and real intentions to STO people.

(03-25-2016, 09:58 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:

(03-24-2016, 05:24 PM)GentleWanderer Wrote: Seems that STS oriented people are excellent actors, they can hide pretty well their polarity and real intentions to STO people.

so how can you tell?

(03-25-2016, 09:43 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:

(03-25-2016, 07:58 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: when you work in customer service you encounter STS people all the time.

They are super super super self entitled. Like the world owes them something. Very hard to deal with and communicate with. anyone who seems to have some semblence of "maturity" quickly degrades when they do not get what they want.

STS individuals will never take responsibility, and usually may not be living in the present moment but somewhere in the past or the future.

I think you're referring to a narcissistic instead of a STS person.

(03-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

(03-25-2016, 09:43 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:

(03-25-2016, 07:58 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: when you work in customer service you encounter STS people all the time.

They are super super super self entitled. Like the world owes them something. Very hard to deal with and communicate with. anyone who seems to have some semblence of "maturity" quickly degrades when they do not get what they want.

STS individuals will never take responsibility, and usually may not be living in the present moment but somewhere in the past or the future.

I think you're referring to a narcissistic instead of a STS person.

I think there is quite a bit of overlap. Narcissistic people view others as extensions of themselves to manipulate and use to their advantage, and narcissism is one personality disorder that's extremely hard to treat, because one trait of a narcissist is that they believe nothing is wrong with them (psychologically, they can use medical problems to manipulate others).

I was debating whether or not to post this, but I'm rather sure enough to. I believe that my mother may be a polarizing STS entity. She is quite attractive and does well to take care of her appearance and use it to her advantage (though years of substance abuse has taken its toll, she's a bit overweight, but that doesn't stop her from constantly dating men younger than me). She's always had a team of minions willing to do her bidding at a moment's notice. Her favorite game has always been to get someone else to do something for her. She hated having kids and mostly screamed at us and told us how much she hated us, otherwise we would just be left to our own devices, many times locked in the car at night while she was inside somewhere shady doing drugs/cheating on my father.

It's interesting because as I've become 'keener' to her ways, I've noticed how differently she speaks to me than everyone else. She takes a much softer/pleasing tone with me than anyone, because she knows that I'm not going to just follow orders, she has to be trickier. More and more I've cut her out of my life because she CONSTANTLY makes -promises- that she has no intention to keep (her main trick). Anyway, for a long time (20 years?) her profession was 'drug lord' and currently, she is in prison. (Lucky for her she's not in a cell, she's in some federal facility that's basically like being locked in a motel) She has tried a few times now to reach out and see how much control I'll give her from her current position (not much), and has now backed off.

A lot of her self-serving desires were fueled along by a lovely monster we all know as meth. But, even in her 'clean' times (like now in prison) she still retains the same view of others as a means to serve herself. Do I think she's harvestable? No, not likely. But I do think she has made the conscious decision to use others instead of serving them many, many, many more times over than she's made the choice of selfless service.

Quote:87.7 Questioner: What is the environmental situation of this particular fifth-density negative entity, and how does he work with fourth-density negative in order to establish power and control; and what is his particular philosophy with respect to himself as Creator and his use of the first distortion and the extension of this use of the first distortion to the fourth-density negative? I hope that this isn’t too complex a question.

Ra: I am Ra. The environment of your companion is that of the rock, the cave, the place of barrenness, for this is the density of wisdom. That which is needed may be thought and received. To this entity very little is necessary upon the physical, if you will, or space/time complex of distortions.

Such an entity spends its consciousness within the realms of time/space in an attempt to learn the ways of wisdom through the utmost use of the powers and resources of the self. Since the self is the Creator, the wisdom density provides many informative and fascinating experiences for the negatively polarized entity. In some respects one may see a more lucid early attachment to wisdom from those of negative polarity as the nexus of positions of consciousness upon which wisdom is laid is simpler.

The relationship of such an entity to fourth-density negative entities is one of the more powerful and the less powerful. The negative path posits slavery of the less powerful as a means of learning the desire to serve the self to the extent that the will is brought to bear. It is in this way that polarity is increased in the negative sense. Thus fourth-density entities are willing slaves of such a fifth-density entity, there being no doubt whatsoever of the relative power of each.

87.8 Questioner: A reflection of this could be seen in our density in many of those leaders that instigate war and have followers who support, in total conviction that the direction of conquest is correct. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Any organization which demands obedience without question upon the basis of relative power is functioning according to the above-described plan.

(03-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

(03-25-2016, 09:43 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:

(03-25-2016, 07:58 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: when you work in customer service you encounter STS people all the time.

They are super super super self entitled. Like the world owes them something. Very hard to deal with and communicate with. anyone who seems to have some semblence of "maturity" quickly degrades when they do not get what they want.

STS individuals will never take responsibility, and usually may not be living in the present moment but somewhere in the past or the future.

I think you're referring to a narcissistic instead of a STS person.

I think there is quite a bit of overlap. Narcissistic people view others as extensions of themselves to manipulate and use to their advantage, and narcissism is one personality disorder that's extremely hard to treat, because one trait of a narcissist is that they believe nothing is wrong with them (psychologically, they can use medical problems to manipulate others).

I was debating whether or not to post this, but I'm rather sure enough to. I believe that my mother may be a polarizing STS entity. She is quite attractive and does well to take care of her appearance and use it to her advantage (though years of substance abuse has taken its toll, she's a bit overweight, but that doesn't stop her from constantly dating men younger than me). She's always had a team of minions willing to do her bidding at a moment's notice. Her favorite game has always been to get someone else to do something for her. She hated having kids and mostly screamed at us and told us how much she hated us, otherwise we would just be left to our own devices, many times locked in the car at night while she was inside somewhere shady doing drugs/cheating on my father.

It's interesting because as I've become 'keener' to her ways, I've noticed how differently she speaks to me than everyone else. She takes a much softer/pleasing tone with me than anyone, because she knows that I'm not going to just follow orders, she has to be trickier. More and more I've cut her out of my life because she CONSTANTLY makes -promises- that she has no intention to keep (her main trick). Anyway, for a long time (20 years?) her profession was 'drug lord' and currently, she is in prison. (Lucky for her she's not in a cell, she's in some federal facility that's basically like being locked in a motel) She has tried a few times now to reach out and see how much control I'll give her from her current position (not much), and has now backed off.

A lot of her self-serving desires were fueled along by a lovely monster we all know as meth. But, even in her 'clean' times (like now in prison) she still retains the same view of others as a means to serve herself. Do I think she's harvestable? No, not likely. But I do think she has made the conscious decision to use others instead of serving them many, many, many more times over than she's made the choice of selfless service.

(03-24-2016, 05:24 PM)GentleWanderer Wrote: Seems that STS oriented people are excellent actors, they can hide pretty well their polarity and real intentions to STO people.

(03-27-2016, 02:40 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Thanks everyone for the feedback. Blatz, I am glad and sorry at the same time that you can empathize, haha. However, I do disagree with your analysis of narcissism. A real narcissist is very emotionally in-tune to others, something I think Autism spectrum lacks at times. The common MO of a narcissist is to see others as extensions of themselves, and therefore no matter what the narcissist wants, everyone else must want to because it is in their best interest. Anyway, I've spent a fair amount of time studying narcissism, lol. I don't think my mother is a narcissist for sure, but know that her mother (my grandma) is.

The fact is, it is unlikely that any of us know anyone who is 95% STS. But, it is also possible to discern to subtle movement of energy within another, especially if they are consciously using it, be it service to self or service to others. Yes, it is a long path. Are there drug dealers and murders on this path? Absolutely!!! Are you kidding? Killing someone is the ultimate achievement of power over them, though most wise entities would prefer to use a living entity to do their bidding I would guess. As far as a drug dealer goes, my mother had a countless number of people willing to do A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G - not exactly for her, but to sate their addiction to the drug. And she used that power, gleefully. Is she going to incarnate into negative space when she dies? Not likely! But she has definitely walked quite far along that long path. And again, it's likely much like STO - Some people wobble and occasionally hit 51%, but it's not a 'one time' moment. It's a culmination of previous AND continued experience. Not to mention, most prison experiences are -perfect- to heighten one's walk along the STS path - though, likely the wardens are the ones gaining most of the spiritual power.

STS can happen on a grand scale, like negative elites and banking entities and CEOs and the Bilderbergs and whatnot. But STS can happen on a small scale too, friends. My mother made herself the queen of her own, smaller world, but everyone that she allowed it in was to benefit her, and she would use them at a moment's notice. Who knows what kind of person she will be when she gets out of prison, but I doubt much different, though likely less polarized. Another example of "quiet/small scale" STS would be religious cults that subjugate their freewill to their leader. Their "world" is smaller, but their leader has full control in that tiny little realm.

(03-25-2016, 12:29 PM)im_not_me Wrote: Jade I think you are very wise.

It is true, most STS don't even realize that/what they are, they often think nothing is wrong with them - sometimes even think they are perfect. I have many STS friends and it is hard, maybe impossible to convince them that they are so. I don't try to do that. I just give them the love they need, because that is truly what they ... need.
STS persons with integrity know how to hide and blend themselves very well, often very seclusive with who they share their perspectives and desires with. As someone mentioned earlier they don't go around flaunting and imposing their 'gangster' 'swag'. Not saying they don't have any swagger (and when I say that word I mean it as close to the literal definition as possible), they just often don't try to act cool.

(03-25-2016, 02:36 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Well, I think there is a threshold in the sinkhole somewhere, where you would say one is no longer just ignorantly choosing back and forth or neither... personally, I am describing my mother as someone I know who has consistently chosen (doubled) to serve herself over others. I can hardly think of -any- instance where she was any example of being a service to others entity. If I had to put a roundabout number on it, I would say she might be near 75-80%. That's pretty intense, and I can tell you if you were around her you would feel her intensity.

My mother wasn't 'only' a drug dealer, she also worked for the state government in a department focused on fraud recovery. She's very deliberate and wily in her machinations much of the time. Though, in context, an illegal drug empire is likely an STS organization, and the higher up one is on the ladder, the more power they have, just by virtue of the amount of people underneath. I wholeheartedly disagree that someone who wants to polarize STS would only want a position of obvious power, by that I'm assuming you mean something in the political arena. My mother may have "stepped down" to the drug realm but she was definitely born into a life of wealth and luxury. Her mother married successively richer and one of her step-fathers even had a private plane, so she's traveled all over this continent.

I don't typically try to rate how STO/STS I believe someone is, but when presented with this question, I had to ask myself about my mother, who is someone I know rather intimately, and would be the closest person I know personally to fitting this bill. And the more I thought about it, the more it was obvious, and the less I could see that would 'redeem' her to being anywhere desiring to be of service to others in the way that I understand it. Very little to no heart chakra energy but constant attempts at blue-ray. Constant demands that others subjugate to her. No remorse or regard for the feelings of others. Again, I do not think she is harvestable, but I do not think she is in the sinkhole, either.

You know... I'm not very close to my sister and actually don't think of her often, but now that I am in this context, I wonder if the same isn't for her, too? I mean, she's actually treated me worst most of my life. And, if I believe that my mother has any sort of negative metaphysicality like I am spouting in theory, my sister actually bids her far more often than my mother is able to bid my sister. They do constantly go back and forth. My sister used to be a supervisor at a sales call center (plenty of negative opportunities there, trust me), until she got fired for drug charges in her past when the company was sold. Now she makes an absurd amount of money as a stripper.

I don't say these things lightly, but I also don't say these things to condemn them, either. Again, I do not think they are harvestable negative entities. But, I can honestly not think of a single instance where either of them have done anything for me as a selfless, giving gesture - or for anyone else, for that matter. I definitely do not say that lightly. They are takers, and my only value to them has been what I can do for them, period. There's no indifference in them - their existence is about glorifying themselves. I almost had to add the caveat "well my mother didn't abort me" as a selfless gesture, but she HAD had an abortion before me, so I'm guessing that it was likely my Catholic father who married her 6 months before I was born who made that decision. She has since threatened to kill me multiple times. My sister has even more, and has pulled weapons on me, broken my bones, etc. They both exhibit the type of insanity of those who attempt to polarize negatively in a manner without structure or any semblance of understanding, and thereby ultimately confusing themselves. My sister is still quite young, though, and now that she is moving in the elicit sex/heavy drug circles she may have other 'opportunities' to greet her along the way.

Quote:87.7 Questioner: What is the environmental situation of this particular fifth-density negative entity, and how does he work with fourth-density negative in order to establish power and control; and what is his particular philosophy with respect to himself as Creator and his use of the first distortion and the extension of this use of the first distortion to the fourth-density negative? I hope that this isn’t too complex a question.

Ra: I am Ra. The environment of your companion is that of the rock, the cave, the place of barrenness, for this is the density of wisdom. That which is needed may be thought and received. To this entity very little is necessary upon the physical, if you will, or space/time complex of distortions.

Such an entity spends its consciousness within the realms of time/space in an attempt to learn the ways of wisdom through the utmost use of the powers and resources of the self. Since the self is the Creator, the wisdom density provides many informative and fascinating experiences for the negatively polarized entity. In some respects one may see a more lucid early attachment to wisdom from those of negative polarity as the nexus of positions of consciousness upon which wisdom is laid is simpler.

The relationship of such an entity to fourth-density negative entities is one of the more powerful and the less powerful. The negative path posits slavery of the less powerful as a means of learning the desire to serve the self to the extent that the will is brought to bear. It is in this way that polarity is increased in the negative sense. Thus fourth-density entities are willing slaves of such a fifth-density entity, there being no doubt whatsoever of the relative power of each.

87.8 Questioner: A reflection of this could be seen in our density in many of those leaders that instigate war and have followers who support, in total conviction that the direction of conquest is correct. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Any organization which demands obedience without question upon the basis of relative power is functioning according to the above-described plan.

Wow Jade, after I replied to my post my post I went back and read all the replies below it and re read all the other replies above it. After reading yours I can say I in some aspects Mirror you like Blatz said. It amazes me when have such powerful things in common with people. I don't think it's necessary to go to deep into detail but it is never a coincidence that we meet or are related to STS persons as STO. I have tremendous respect for you being in that situation and doing the best you could. I'm terribly sorry for your circumstances. I have family that are deeply confused but I don't know if they are STS, because they want to change, but they are addicted to heroin and my aunt forced her teenage daughter and son to sell heroin and crack on the streets to support her addiction, which in turn provided her children means for developing theirs. It's not a pretty situation and my grandmother is deep in dept due to always having to bail them out or giving them money for rent and drugs and it's obvious affecting her health, which is exponentially in decline as of recently. I think about my grandmother often and try my best to make sure she isn't in too bad shape. I take her out for lunch as much as possible, I even bought her the Law of One material for Christmas this year, hoping that since she works for a book publishing company as a proof reader she's enjoy it and maybe make a connection but unfortunately it didn't resonate with her.

(03-27-2016, 11:56 AM)GentleWanderer Wrote: Above the White lodge (STO) and the Black lodge (STS) there is a third lodge which
manages the two others. I've heard it from Aivanhov but i don't know much about
this third lodge.

Quote:17.25 Questioner: How did Taras Bulba, Genghis Khan, and Rasputin get harvested prior to the harvest?

Ra: I am Ra. It is the right/privilege/duty of those opening consciously the gate to intelligent infinity to choose the manner of their leaving of the density. Those of negative orientation who so achieve this right/duty most often choose to move forward in their learn/teaching of service to self.