Quote:41.16 Questioner: And then what entity would be the simplest that would have red, orange, yellow, and green activation?

Ra: I am Ra. This information has been covered in a previous session. To perhaps simplify your asking, each center may be seen to be activated potentially in third density, the late second-density entities having the capability, if efficient use is made of experience, of vibrating and activating the green-ray energy center.

The third-density being, having the potential for complete self-awareness, thus has the potential for the minimal activation of all energy centers. The fourth, fifth, and sixth densities are those refining the higher energy centers. The seventh density is a density of completion and the turning towards timelessness or foreverness.

41.17 Questioner: Well, then would an animal in second density have all of the energy centers in some way in its being but just not activated?

Ra: I am Ra. This is precisely correct.

41.18 Questioner: Now, the animal in second density is composed of light as are all things. What I am trying to get at is the relationship between the light that the various bodies of the animal are created of and the relationship of this to the energy centers which are active and the ones which are not active and how this is linked with the Logos. It is a difficult question to ask. Can you give me some kind of answer on that?

Ra: I am Ra. The answer is to redirect your thought processes from any mechanical view of evolution. The will of the Logos posits the potentials available to the evolving entity. The will of the entity as it evolves is the single measure of the rate and fastidiousness of the activation and balancing of the various energy centers.

Quote:47.4 Ra: I am Ra. Let us clarify further. As we have previously stated, all beings have the potential for all possible vibratory rates.

(03-06-2016, 01:32 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: The spirit does not reside in the complexities of the brain. All beings have all possible rays in potentiation.

Quote:19.1 What I would like to know first is do all entities make a transition from second to third density, or are there some other entities who have never gone through this transition?

Ra: I am Ra. Your question presumes the space/time continuum understandings of the intelligent energy which animates your illusion. Within the context of this illusion we may say that there are some which do not transfer from one particular density to another, for the continuum is finite.

In the understanding which we have of the universe or creation as one infinite being, its heart beating as alive in its own intelligent energy, it merely is one beat of the heart of this intelligence from creation to creation. In this context each and every entity of consciousness has/is/will experienced/experiencing/experience each and every density.

19.2 Questioner: Let’s take the point at which an individualized entity of second density is ready for transition to third. Is this second-density being what we would call animal?

Ra: I am Ra. There are three types of second-density entities which become, shall we say, enspirited. The first is the animal. This is the most predominant. The second is the vegetable, most especially that which you call sound vibration complex “tree.” These entities are capable of giving and receiving enough love to become individualized. The third category is mineral. Occasionally a certain location, place as you may call it, becomes energized to individuality through the love it receives and gives in relationship to a third-density entity which is in relationship to it. This is the least common transition.

19.3 Questioner: When this transition from second to third density takes place, how does the entity, whether it be animal, tree, or mineral, become enspirited?

Ra: I am Ra. Entities do not become enspirited. They become aware of the intelligent energy within each portion, cell, or atom, as you may call it, of its beingness.

This awareness is that which is awareness of that already given. From the infinite come all densities. The self-awareness comes from within given the catalyst of certain experiences understanding, as we may call this particular energy, the upward spiraling of the cell or atom or consciousness.

You may then see that there is an inevitable pull towards the, what you may call, eventual realization of self.

(03-06-2016, 10:54 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I disagree. How does a mountain even process catalyst to get to the point of radiating 4th density universal love, if the mind powered by a complex brain is required to ascend vibratory rates?

The "mind" creates the "body", i.e. the brain. I do not think the mind lies within the brain, the "brain" (and all of its perceived expansion/limitation) lies within the mind.

(03-06-2016, 10:54 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I take the bolded part to mean that an entity does NOT have to incarnate into each density in order to experience the gradual self-awareness that comes from the upward spiraling of the Creator.

Quote:14.3 Questioner: Then what was the second-density form— what did it look like— that became Earth-man in the third density? What did he look like in the second density?

Ra: I am Ra. The difference between second- and third-density bodily forms would in many cases have been more like one to the other. In the case of your planetary sphere the process was interrupted by those who incarnated here from the planetary sphere you call Mars. They were adjusted by genetic changing and, therefore, there was some difference which was of a very noticeable variety rather than the gradual raising of the bipedal forms upon your second-density level to third-density level. This has nothing to do with the so-called placement of the soul. This has only to do with the circumstances of the influx of those from that culture.

(03-06-2016, 04:51 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I don't think the first density being skips second density, I believe that they just progress through their second density still incarnate in their first density body complex. "No portion audits the course" is not incongruent to an entity ascending through the densities in a "lower" level body complex. Ra says that it's purely the will of the entity that thrusts it upward, not its ability to appreciate nuance. An 'enspirited' mountain could have been here on earth for millions of years. Are you saying it must somehow be destroyed and reborn anew to progress with the earth through its densities?

(03-06-2016, 04:51 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: In the quotes I bolded in post #3, Ra says that once an entity becomes "third density activated", that they have access to the rest of the rays. You say you don't think it's "that kind of love", but Ra says a second density entity can vibrate in the green-ray center. I'll take Ra's word that, having moved into the yellow-ray portion of their being and thus able to vibrate in the green-ray, that it's even possible for them to vibrate in the indigo center then, as well.

(03-06-2016, 04:51 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: The fact is, humans were genetically altered to be as different as we are from our second density forms. This is not normal. It's typically a gradual progression, which means the line in the sand you are drawing may be slightly skewed.

Quote:90.12 Questioner: Was there a reason for choosing the forms that have evolved upon this planet and, if so, what was it?

Ra: I am Ra. We are not entirely sure why our Logos and several neighboring Logoi of approximately the same space/time of flowering chose the bipedal, erect form of the second-density apes to invest. It has been our supposition, which we share with you as long as you are aware that this is mere opinion, that our Logos was interested in, shall we say, further intensifying the veiling process by offering to the third-density form the near complete probability for the development of speech taking complete precedence over concept communication or telepathy. We also have the supposition that the so-called opposable thumb was looked upon as an excellent means of intensifying the veiling process so that rather than rediscovering the powers of the mind the third-density entity would, by the form of its physical manifestation, be drawn to the making, holding, and using of physical tools.

Quote:19.11 Questioner: Can you tell me how this new bodily complex was suited to third-density lessons and what those lessons were?

Ra: I am Ra. There is one necessity for third density. That necessity is self-awareness, or self-consciousness. In order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of the abstract thought. Thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking. This was transitory in the second-density forms operating largely upon intuition which proved through practice to yield results.

The third-density mind was capable of processing information in such a way as to think abstractly and in what could be termed “useless” ways, in the sense of survival. This is the primary requisite.

There are other important ingredients: the necessity for a weaker physical vehicle to encourage the use of the mind, the development of the already present awareness of the social complex. These also being necessary: the further development of physical dexterity in the sense of the hand, as you call this portion of your body complex.

(03-06-2016, 04:51 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: "Appreciating the nuance of the illusion" seems like a bias from your higher-density point of view, where you have chosen this incarnation to experience the intricacies of development in a structured environment. All entities learn at a different pace, and none are limited to their access of the Creator by something as mundane as the manifestation of their body complex in space/time. Is that not what the quote in your signature means?

Quote:105.14 Questioner: Then the yellow-ray body, from the very beginning, was designed as what Ra has called an athanor for the mind, a device, you might say, to accelerate the evolution of the mind. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is perhaps more accurate to note that the yellow-ray, physical vehicle is a necessity without which the mind/body/spirit complex cannot pursue evolution at any pace.
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Quote:No the 1st density structure of the mountain is not destroyed, its 3rd density consciousness simply vacates that structure and incarnates in a 3rd density body.

Quote:I think its important  to draw a distinction between possibility and probability.  They might have the "potential" for all vibratory rates, but realistically that won't happen till they have the machinery to properly do 3rd density work.  We all have the "potential" to activate our denser bodies and be like gods, but it almost never happens. 

Quote:48.7 Questioner: Thank you. I would like to take as an example an entity, at birth, who is roughly high on the seniority list for positive polarization and possible harvestability at the end of this cycle and follow a full cycle of his experience starting before his incarnation— which body is activated, process of becoming incarnate, the activation of the third-density physical body, process as the body moves through this density and is acted upon by catalyst, and then the process of death, and the activation of the various bodies so that we make a full circuit from a point prior to incarnation back around through incarnation and death and back to that position you might say in one cycle of incarnation in this density. Could you do that for me?

Ra: I am Ra. Your query is most distorted for it assumes that creations are alike. Each mind/body/spirit complex has its own patterns of activation and its own rhythms of awakening. The important thing for harvest is the harmonious balance between the various energy centers of the mind/body/spirit complex. This is to be noted as of relative import. We grasp the thrust of your query and will make a most general answer stressing the unimportance of such arbitrary generalizations.

Quote:You can see in this section Ra specifically says the chemical body must be capable of abstract thought.  A mind may be 3rd density, but it needs a body that "fits it".  Otherwise it is kind of like wearing a pair of mittens on your hand, as opposed to a regular glove, and trying to type something on a keyboard.  The individual fingers are not allowed to function at full capacity because the structure doesn't allow for that nuanced dexterity.

Quote:Not precisely from my perspective.  Consider another Ra quote:

Quote: Wrote:105.14 Questioner: Then the yellow-ray body, from the very beginning, was designed as what Ra has called an athanor for the mind, a device, you might say, to accelerate the evolution of the mind. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is perhaps more accurate to note that the yellow-ray, physical vehicle is a necessity without which the mind/body/spirit complex cannot pursue evolution at any pace.

(03-07-2016, 10:45 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: So, a mountain entity would just "vacate" its body? Like, harvest itself, but without death of its body complex? So do you think a walk-in comes and inhabits the shell of a body complex? Or does it sit empty? I just don't think this would happen. If anything, I would think that its incarnation into a human body would continue to be simultaneous with its mineral body, if it wants to incarnate here at harvest.

(03-07-2016, 10:45 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I just think this is a restrictive way of looking at it. We are all the Creator. Any of us can realize it in a moment, and to say "us" refers to just humans is nonsense.

(03-07-2016, 10:45 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: There is also the case of the beings from Maldek who use the limited 2nd density form as karmic restitution. Does this remove or undo all of the lessons of 3rd density from these entities? Are they forced back into the group pool without individualization by their incarnation into these bodies? I doubt it.

(03-07-2016, 10:45 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I think Ra says very clearly in the first quote I posted that a second-density can vibrate in green-ray (i.e. activate the yellow-ray) and THUS the yellow-ray entity has access to the rest of the rays. Yes, the great majority of beings who experience third density on our planet do so in human bodies, but I think this also has to do with all of the ramifications of The Choice. In theory, I believe, a 2nd density say, horse, could learn awareness and then, if efficient, quickly learn the lessons of love and service, possibly even dying as a martyr, and therefore not be beholden to the cycles of 3rd density incarnation. It doesn't have to be necessary for every entity, though the sequential activation was there. However, once it incarnates into 4th density time/space, it may decide to Wander as some 4th densities do.

Quote:All I'm saying is the body would have to have a similar cognitive capacity as a human being to really explore yellow ray lessons.

Quote:If a tree body somehow allowed for that (which I would need to see to believe -- not saying it isn't possible) then a tree body could work for 3rd density, same goes for a mineral body.  I just don't see it as likely is all.    

Quote:49.6 Questioner: What process would be the recommended process for correctly awakening, as they say, the kundalini and of what value would that be?

Ra: I am Ra. The metaphor of the coiled serpent being called upwards is vastly appropriate for consideration by your peoples. This is what you are attempting when you seek. There are, as we have stated, great misapprehensions concerning this metaphor and the nature of pursuing its goal. We must generalize and ask that you grasp the fact that this in effect renders far less useful that which we share. However, as each entity is unique, generalities are our lot when communicating for your possible edification.

We have two types of energy. We are attempting then, as entities in any true color of this octave, to move the meeting place of inner and outer natures further and further along or upward along the energy centers. The two methods of approaching this with sensible method are first, the seating within one’s self of those experiences which are attracted to the entity through the south pole. Each experience will need to be observed, experienced, balanced, accepted, and seated within the individual. As the entity grows in self-acceptance and awareness of catalyst the location of the comfortable seating of these experiences will rise to the new true-color entity. The experience, whatever it may be, will be seated in red ray and considered as to its survival content and so forth.

Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.

Meanwhile the Creator lies within. In the north pole the crown is already upon the head and the entity is potentially a god. This energy is brought into being by the humble and trusting acceptance of this energy through meditation and contemplation of the self and of the Creator.

Where these energies meet is where the serpent will have achieved its height. When this uncoiled energy approaches universal love and radiant being the entity is in a state whereby the harvestability of the entity comes nigh.

(03-07-2016, 12:17 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: We may continue to disagree about the relative importance of the functioning of the brain to the harvestability of an entity. I do not think that one thing Ra says supports your theory, here.

(03-07-2016, 12:17 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Ra says that the median age an entity becomes aware of its choices and responsible for them in 3rd density is 15 months: 1.25 years. There are many, many animals that as a species test at cognitive functions higher than the average toddlers, 5 and 6 years old, many times the "median age" of cognitive awareness.

(03-07-2016, 12:17 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: You need proof before you take Ra's words on faith? Doesn't seem like you, anagogy.

(03-07-2016, 12:17 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I will once more refer to your signature quote, which you still have yet to tell me your personal interpretation. It is Ra describing the path of ascending through the densities. Don asks about raising the kundalini in the microcosm but Ra takes the opportunity, as usual, to refer to the macrocosm.

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Every entity in this octave has a potential crown of Creatorhood that they can put on. It is sequential. An entity must first become self-aware before it can reach the crown, but the crown does not lie waiting outside of ourselves within the next body.

Quote:Trying to learn 3rd density lessons with a 2nd density body is like trying to eat pudding with a pair of chopsticks.  Sure, you can try it, but wouldn't it make more sense to use a spoon?  A lot of what you're saying is just like that, it could be attempted, but it doesn't really work very well.  

Quote:I take a lot of what Ra says on faith, but at some point you have to compare any philosophy you are subscribing to to the real world experience you are having and I have yet to experience an rational self aware rock, or a rational self aware tree.

(03-07-2016, 08:10 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: It's not about whether or not something is making an attempt to be harvested. In fact, Ra says we're well along our paths to 4th density harvestability before we are even aware we have chosen. Everything is always attempting to make an upward reach to the creator. It's not about speed, nor is it about whether or not each individual can fully develop a yellow-ray experience through multiple incarnations. It's about whether or not something processes its experience at a fast rate, and becomes aware, and maintains a minimal balance in its activated centers.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The entity, mind/body/spirit complex, Gandalf, being harvestable third density, is open to the same type of psychic attack to which you yourselves are vulnerable. Therefore, through the mechanism of images and dreams, it is potentially possible for negative concepts to be offered to this mind/body/spirit complex, thus having possible deleterious results. The entity, Fairchild, though harvestable through investment, does not have the vulnerability to attack in as great an amount due to a lack of the mind complex activity in the distortion of conscious devotion.

Quote:98.7 Questioner: Would you explain the reason for saying “Keep in mind that this is harvestable third density” and tell me if you have any other specific recommendations with respect to the proposed operation on the growth?

Ra: I am Ra. We stated this in order to elucidate our use of the term “spirit complex” as applied to what might be considered a second-density entity. The implications are that this entity shall have far more cause to abide and heal that it may seek the presence of the loved ones.

Quote:104.10 Questioner: I feel very bad about the condition of the cat and really would like to help it. Can Ra suggest anything that we can do to help out Gandalf?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

104.11 Questioner: What would that be?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we would suggest that possibility/probability vortices include those in which the entity known as Gandalf has a lengthier incarnation. Secondly, we would suggest that this entity goes to a graduation if it desires. Otherwise, it may choose to reincarnate to be with those companions it has loved. Thirdly, the entity known to you as Betty has the means of making the entity more distorted towards comfort/discomfort.

(03-08-2016, 09:59 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: All I'm arguing is that "probably simply inefficient" =/= nigh impossible. I mean, Ra gives a specific example of a mind/body/SPIRIT complex incarnated into a 2nd density body: Gandalf. Ra says that he was harvestable in a previous lifetime, and Carla believed that he even came back as a cat to their family again. Can't be that rare, right?

I guess I just think of an animal's life to be even less of a blink of an eye than a human life. If an late second density/early third density wants to incarnate for a handful of years again in a second density body complex (to learn the lessons of service that way - reciprocating the service of their owners with love), I think skating the border in such a way is allowed. And I don't think that because of wishful thinking, I think that because of all the things that Ra says: Specifically, that higher densities invest in the lower ones, which helps them reach harvest rapidly. This would often mean pets. I think most pets choose to live out the end of their lives with their loved ones instead of harvesting out of their body complexes just so they can have fingers.

Quote:41.16 Questioner: And then what entity would be the simplest that would have red, orange, yellow, and green activation?

Ra: I am Ra. This information has been covered in a previous session. To perhaps simplify your asking, each center may be seen to be activated potentially in third density, the late second-density entities having the capability, if efficient use is made of experience, of vibrating and activating the green-ray energy center.

The third-density being, having the potential for complete self-awareness, thus has the potential for the minimal activation of all energy centers. The fourth, fifth, and sixth densities are those refining the higher energy centers. The seventh density is a density of completion and the turning towards timelessness or foreverness.

Quote:Otherwise, according to Ra its incarnations are unconsciously chosen.

(03-08-2016, 02:58 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

Quote:Otherwise, according to Ra its incarnations are unconsciously chosen.

Well, in the quote I posted above, Ra said that Gandalf himself can choose harvest, OR choose reincarnation again with his loved ones. Would that mean Gandalf is... mid third - fourth density harvestable?

(03-08-2016, 03:19 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(03-08-2016, 02:58 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:

Quote:Otherwise, according to Ra its incarnations are unconsciously chosen.

Well, in the quote I posted above, Ra said that Gandalf himself can choose harvest, OR choose reincarnation again with his loved ones. Would that mean Gandalf is... mid third - fourth density harvestable?

To my way of thinking "harvestability" would imply that the energy had become sustained for the most part.  So if you were 3rd density harvestable, you would have to have sustained self awareness (like your way of looking at the world had shifted fundamentally and become part of your identity).  Same goes for being 4th density harvestable, polarization would presume you have more or less turned on green ray permanently or at least, consistently enough to warrant incarnation in that realm.  I have no doubt we have moments of flashing into other rays -- indigo ray, blue ray, violet ray etc.  But the energy isn't "seated".  In the same way, I think a second density being could be 3rd density harvestable, and have a small degree of activation in green ray due to efficient use of catalyst, but it isn't sustained.  Otherwise it would be possible to skip densities.  As far as I'm aware, that isn't possible, but that is another question I wish they would have asked.

Quote:19.1 What I would like to know first is do all entities make a transition from second to third density, or are there some other entities who have never gone through this transition?

Ra: I am Ra. Your question presumes the space/time continuum understandings of the intelligent energy which animates your illusion. Within the context of this illusion we may say that there are some which do not transfer from one particular density to another, for the continuum is finite.

(03-07-2016, 01:25 PM)anagogy Wrote:

(03-07-2016, 12:17 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: We may continue to disagree about the relative importance of the functioning of the brain to the harvestability of an entity. I do not think that one thing Ra says supports your theory, here.

I feel the same about what you're advocating.  It isn't supported by the material.  Agree to disagree.

Also one point of clarification, I didn't say the brain has anything to do with harvestability.  A 2nd density being can tap into yellow ray, a 1st density being can tap into orange ray.  They just won't be able to "flesh it out" until they are in an appropriate body.

(03-07-2016, 12:17 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Ra says that the median age an entity becomes aware of its choices and responsible for them in 3rd density is 15 months: 1.25 years. There are many, many animals that as a species test at cognitive functions higher than the average toddlers, 5 and 6 years old, many times the "median age" of cognitive awareness.

There may be specific tasks an animal might be better at, but you can't even begin to compare those small evolutionary parlor tricks to the experience afforded by the conscious human brain.  I'm sorry, but I can't even begin to realistically entertain the notion that any 2nd density being is anywhere near as sophisticated in terms of social-intellectual relations as the human being.  And this is not to denigrate 2nd density.  There is a whole lot that 2nd density does better than 3rd density in terms of evolutionary defense mechanisms and survival.  You can't isolate a couple of cognitive functions and one test and say this proves the 2nd density brain is just as capable, you have to take the experience as a whole.  And even at that age, a human brain is going to have a lot more diverse experience of the world.  The imagination of a child is going to blow any 2nd density beings completely away.

Trying to learn 3rd density lessons with a 2nd density body is like trying to eat pudding with a pair of chopsticks.  Sure, you can try it, but wouldn't it make more sense to use a spoon?  A lot of what you're saying is just like that, it could be attempted, but it doesn't really work very well.  
   

(03-07-2016, 12:17 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: You need proof before you take Ra's words on faith? Doesn't seem like you, anagogy.

I take a lot of what Ra says on faith, but at some point you have to compare any philosophy you are subscribing to to the real world experience you are having and I have yet to experience an rational self aware rock, or a rational self aware tree.  But who knows, maybe they will find a way of communicating with our world leaders and announcing the existence of their great and proud society.    

(03-07-2016, 12:17 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I will once more refer to your signature quote, which you still have yet to tell me your personal interpretation. It is Ra describing the path of ascending through the densities. Don asks about raising the kundalini in the microcosm but Ra takes the opportunity, as usual, to refer to the macrocosm.

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Every entity in this octave has a potential crown of Creatorhood that they can put on. It is sequential. An entity must first become self-aware before it can reach the crown, but the crown does not lie waiting outside of ourselves within the next body.

It is one thing to tap into a ray, it is another to flesh out the nuances of that energy through practical catalytic experience.  It may be possible, but not very probable, and anyhow it isn't a race to the top.

And as for my signature, I really have no interpretation other than the fact that all consciousness is already the creator, and that we are not developing ourselves to become perfect, rather we are developing ourselves for the sake of the journey.  That journey goes through many environments.  I look at bodies as just another environment we are meant to get experience of.  A given density's body is "part" of that rays experience.  Without that density's body, you are not getting that density's full experience.  Isn't the creator meant to know itself?

(03-07-2016, 10:49 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Aware trees are fun, strangely captivating and sometimes hard to leave.

I don't know about aware rocks, they seem more like "palentirs" (or simply channels..) unto something other.

Quote:25.2 Questioner: The second question the instrument requested was: How may I best revitalize myself not only now but in the future?

Ra: I am Ra. This instrument is aware of the basic needs of its constitution, those being meditation, acceptance of limitations, experiences of joy through association with others and with the beauty as of the singing, and the exercising with great contact, whenever possible, with the life forces of second density, especially those of trees;