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Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 01-05-2016
Speculation.
And...admittance, I would probably identify as a transsexual now, in a...Uh. Excuse me, I've been working on some feelings of shame, guilt, and embarrassment. Its left me overall confused on my sexuality, can feel this in my red ray for years and could never scratch it... It was so prominent during my awakening I once more unbarred myself from things like gay porn or considering being with a guy as more than just friends. Its all...Because of some childhood events. That To this day I can't process. Mostly because I lost my virginity to a guy I think before I was even 10 (or 9 or 11), and that entire event is...blurry and I remember things starting and ending sex wise, but everything in between.is just gone. I have tried to find these buried or suppressed memories and can't. I wasn't exactly optimistic back then and the entire encounter was. Regretful, dunno if it was painful, don't remember... But I got used for a few years as a booty call before he just disappeared from my life without a word.
This plus one other thing (my lack of a father figure after age 13) has me essentially set at, I'm a guy, who feels like a girl.
And I don't want to admit it! I just want to be...Accepted? I can't explain it, I don't even know if this is a confused surmise or not, I don't know. I'm fine identifying bi but eventually I'll have to get more honest with myself. In High School I'd let girls put make up on me (albeit for money to let them practice) and I've always preferred my hair long, I'm not physical, I've never fought 'fisticuffs' or even been in a physical fight, I'm not physical I'm Mental/Emotional. I'm low on physical power but beaming with mental/emotional energy (too much so omg). I have always been good with emotions and words, sensations and feelings and how they are experienced. I hate sports, love Go, Chess, DnD, hate shaving (but love how I look when I do). And now I want to point out how some of these are dumb too. Some of this should not point me to I'm transexual yet do, and I don't know why. I don't know why not being into sports is a girlish thing. I don't know if being bullied heavily my entire childhood suppressed my masculinity, or why I think my long hair...is a feminine preference.
-shrugs- but there's this thing inside of me that is unknown, I am now exploring it as I absolved a good portion of the horrors that plagued me weeks/months now and have..heh...the mental time now to unconsciously process it alongside the other stuff too. I don't cross dress or wear makeup or anything like that, though Kilts look awesome lol
So, I've admitted I'm a bit confused on my sexual identity as per my social identification. I'm perfectly fine being a feminine guy or a dude with a dudette mind...Bro
But I think I need to look into this...To see if it is a transsexual thing or a...Confused thing? Or...a Thing at all D: ?
Now I must ask how this ties into polarity. How does a transgender polarize with each sexual encounter??
Lets use a male person who's transgender. How does an entity with both sexes in energy polarize when interacting sexually? Its my understanding a male principle reaches, a female recieves. Male is + charge (not sto) and Female is - charge (not sts), is a male transgender energetically a + charge with loss in differential from - charge energies or...
What I'm trying to ask is, Homosexuality according to Ra is an aura confusion issue, from entities being too close too constantly, I personally didn't resonate with this passage ever so I dropped it but pick it up to see how others receive it.
How's this work in reation to a transgender individual? It feels like a loaded question because it individuates transgender as being different, when its really not. I just don't know how to ask this promptly.
How do the energetics of the body work with transgendered individuals? Are they male with a feminine charge, are they female with a male charge? Would a sexual energy transfer be... -doesn't even know how to ask-
Speculation:
Do Transgendered individuals align with what Ra said of homosexuality? It seems like there's energetically more happening here than if it were an openly homosexual guy vs an openly transexual guy.
And by transsexual all I mean is a physical gender that does not match your personal opinion of your mental gender.
Opinions and thoughts on both my opinion of myself and this speculation are totes welcome
Does anyone know if Quo ever spoke on transgender individuals?
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Minyatur - 01-05-2016
The creator has no sex if that is what you want to know..
Within illusions it split itself in halves that each have a preference for one side of this duality yet each equally having the potential for the other. Both halves are complete together, nullifying this duality.
Perhaps your soul is more feminine and incarnated as a man to work that aspect of yourself.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 01-05-2016
I think I'm definitely more used to feminine energies.
I'm not thinking of Creator in regards to THE Creator, still in the realm of 3D 'spark'ly Creators who suit up in flesh then realize the body is guy and the brain is gal Then call it transgenderism.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - APeacefulWarrior - 01-05-2016
Personally, I'd say it's probably not even worth worrying about. I doubt Ra would consider the issue of alt-sexuality even worth talking about except that people asked directly, since that's surely a "transient" human thing from his perspective.
But more broadly speaking... I think that in a very general sense, what we think of as gender is an expression/emergent result of an underlying tendency towards these + to - energy transfers (and back again) that seem to be one of the driving forces in the cosmos. Some entities are pitchers, and some are catchers, but I see no reason to think it's a permanent set-in-stone thing. Given that we know entities move between genders freely when incarnating, it seems like plenty of experimentation on both sides is the general rule.
And I sympathize with your position. I'm also a guy (with long hair) who presents as male, but internally I kinda feel ungendered or even bi-gendered. I've never identified strongly with either gender and have a range of interests that span both. But since I enjoy having a penis, I'm basically OK with my body's gender. Plus, without getting into details no one wants shared, I'm also comfortable both giving and receiving sexual energies, pretty much just depending on my moods or current energetic state.
(In my case, it's at least partially because the higher-self I have the closest bond with is a 4D pos who strongly identifies as female, and through working with her I've gained knowledge\understanding of the female side of energy exchange.)
But either way... Basically, just do your thing. Love who you want to love. Don't worry overmuch about the specifics of the energies being generated because if they're being done in\with love, that's all that REALLY matters. The rest is just details and variations, and we're down here to explore possibilities, are we not?
- - earth_spirit - 01-05-2016
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RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Minyatur - 01-05-2016
(01-05-2016, 02:25 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: Personally, I'd say it's probably not even worth worrying about.
Well there's just subjective things to worry about in the first place.
We do more of experiencing ourselves and our feelings than creating them at our level.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Ethernysana - 01-05-2016
All your answers are below and answered by the Law of One. As sexuality intrigued me greatly, it was easy to locate and share it.
32.9 Questioner: I am assuming from what we have previously looked at… we have on Earth today and have had in the past fourth-, fifth-, and sixth-density Wanderers. As they come into incarnation in the physical of this density for a period as a Wanderer, what types of polarizations with respect to these various rays do they find affecting them? Can you tell me that?
Ra: I am Ra. I believe I grasp the thrust of your query. Please ask further if this answer is not sufficient.
Fourth-density Wanderers, of which there are not many, will tend to choose those entities which seem to be full of love or in need of love. There is the great possibility/probability of entities making errors in judgment due to the compassion with which other-selves are viewed.
The fifth-density Wanderer is one who is not tremendously affected by the stimulus of the various rays of other-self and in its own way offers itself when a need is seen. Such entities are not likely to engage in the, shall we say, custom of your peoples called marriage and are very likely to feel an aversion to childbearing and child-raising due to the awareness of the impropriety of the planetary vibrations relative to the harmonious vibrations of the density of light.
The sixth-density, whose means of propagation you may liken to what you call fusion, is likely to refrain, to a great extent, from the bisexual reproductive programming of the bodily complex and instead seek out those with whom the sexual energy transfer is of the complete fusion nature insofar as this is possible in manifestation in third density.
31.8 Questioner: We have what seems to be an increasing number of entities incarnate here now who have what is called a homosexual orientation in this respect. Could you explain and expand upon that concept?
Ra: I am Ra. Entities of this condition experience a great deal of distortion due to the fact that they have experienced many incarnations as biological male and as biological female. This would not suggest what you call homosexuality in an active phase were it not for the difficult vibratory condition of your planetary sphere. There is what you may call great aura infringement among your crowded urban areas in your more populous countries, as you call portions of your planetary surface. Under these conditions the confusions will occur.
31.9 Questioner: Why does density of population create these confusions?
Ra: I am Ra. The bisexual reproductive urge has as its goal, not only the simple reproductive function, but more especially the desire to serve others being awakened by this activity.
In an over-crowded situation where each mind/body/spirit complex is under a constant bombardment from other-selves it is understandable that those who are especially sensitive would not feel the desire to be of service to other-selves. This also would increase the probability of a lack of desire or a blockage of the red-ray reproductive energy.
In an uncrowded atmosphere this same entity would, through the stimulus of feeling the solitude about it, then have much more desire to seek out someone to whom it may be of service thus regularizing the sexual reproductive function.
31.10 Questioner: Roughly how many previous incarnations, shall we say, would a male entity in this incarnation have had to have had in the past as a female to have a highly homosexual orientation in this incarnation? Just roughly.
Ra: I am Ra. If an entity has had roughly 65% of its incarnations in the sexual/biological body complex, the opposite polarity to its present body complex, this entity is vulnerable to the aura infringement of your urban areas and may perhaps become of what you call an homosexual nature.
It is to be noted at this juncture that although it is much more difficult, it is possible in this type of association for an entity to be of great service to another in fidelity and sincere green-ray love of a nonsexual nature thus adjusting or lessening the distortions of its sexual impairment.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 01-05-2016
May I note, I can't agree with the term sexual impairment. Its why I ask this at all. To be of this identity is apparently an impairment.
How does Ra mean?
(01-05-2016, 03:02 PM)earth_spirit Wrote:(01-05-2016, 01:57 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: It was so prominent during my awakening I once more unbarred myself from things like gay porn or considering being with a guy as more than just friends.I've never seen the bolded word before and don't understand what you mean with this. Would you rephrase?
(01-05-2016, 01:57 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I just want to be...Accepted?That could be hard to find in 3D Earth. Not sure if this helps, but at least you'd have plenty of "acceptance" in 4D positive.
(01-05-2016, 01:57 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: This plus one other thing (my lack of a father figure after age 13) has me essentially set at, I'm a guy, who feels like a girl.But how can you feel "like a girl" if you aren't one? Doesn't seem feasible unless you're subconsciously accessing the experience from past lives or Earth's collective consciousness.
(01-05-2016, 01:57 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: (albeit for money to let them practice)Good for you
(01-05-2016, 01:57 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I'm low on physical power but beaming with mental/emotional energy (too much so omg)I hope you're putting it to use. You could learn new skills (music, drawing) or study something (language?). I think unspent mental/emotional energy makes one rather.. neurotic.
(01-05-2016, 01:57 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: hate shaving (but love how I look when I do)Same here.
(01-05-2016, 01:57 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: So, I've admitted I'm a bit confused on my sexual identity as per my social identification.There's no such thing as sexual identity. It's completely made-up. "Straight" is simply the default condition. The other labels are a convenient way of saying "I'm sexually attracted to people of M/F/both gender(s).
Seriously, there are people who are sexually aroused by automobiles. Do I call them mechanophiliacs? No, they just somehow managed to become sexually excited by vehicles.
(01-05-2016, 01:57 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: To see if it is a transsexual thing or a...Confused thing? Or...a Thing at all D: ?I am conflicted about transexuality. On one hand, I don't want to indulge their delusions, especially if they are trying to "change" their sex out of envy. On anohter hand, everything is an illusion in the first place, so it's inconsequential if I pretend to buy into their self-identification out of courtesy. Not to mention I wouldn't want to "out" a passable trans-woman in this narrow-minded society.
I think there would be a lot less trans-women if "maleness" was appreciated. As guys we see dolled-up beautiful women everywhere on all forms of media. There are few outlets for the celebration of men and their bodies. Nevertheless, I appreciate fringe blogs like this one (don't worry, SFW).
It's no wonder that a culture which teaches it's boys that "girls are sugar and spice and everything nice, boys are nails and snails and puppy dog tails" harbors a great amount of transsexualism.
(01-05-2016, 01:57 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Now I must ask how this ties into polarity. How does a transgender polarize with each sexual encounter??Same as "cisgendered" people. Sex, or "gender" has little if anything to do with polarity.
Like APeacefulWarrior said, I think this is a non-issue (no offense)
(01-05-2016, 01:57 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Does anyone know if Quo ever spoke on transgender individuals?I don't remember where, but I can faintly remember reading that "trans-gendered" people are making a special contribution to the planetary consciousness.
For the record, I don't believe in terms like "male energy/female energy". Far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing. Human sexes, for the most part, are symbolic representations of yin/yang energies.
Unrestricted, I used to avoid it, afterwards I was more open to it.
I mean, Ra states all are one. Male and Female...we are not that different. We feel exactly similar sensations albeit in different ways I like my penis, am comfy with my body (too much so maybe haha) and I've seen guys who dislike their genitals, seen girls loath their genitals, some guys got sensitive chests, some girls got sensitive chests. I don't think I feel like a girl. I just don't identify when basing myself off of societal views, masculine. I feel feminine, not like a girl. But at the same time its not wrong to say I feel like a girl, its just not possible to know if its properly so or not. I'm like most girls on tv shows more so than guys Even. I'm also a mean b**** sometimes
I am not putting it to use. I feel very wasted and wasteful in regards to my life. I've learned to live with it.
I think you've mistook identity with preference. Identity exists sexually speaking socially. Maybe it doesn't personally for some, but I don't worry about them lol
I honestly don't get why people are okay with plastic surgery and body enhancements but not sex changes. Especially those aware of the Law of One, no offense, but as you said, inconsequentially should we be allowed to bar... restrict a person from making a decision about their body? Its okay to get plastic cement injected into you but not implant a genital? I don't want a sex change, I'm pretty satisfied in the ol' body department. But for those who aren't, I dont want to hold them back.
Good notice on the importance placed on feminine being reverberating back into the male energy in society causing such 'distortions'. How many guys do you know want to be a girl if not out of curiosity? How many girls want to try out being a guy? Both if not for the perverted reasons then the curious ones.
No offense taken
For a nonissue its pretty much given me something so, I'd give it some substance.
The Jeshua and Ra Channelings explain that a clear existent energy of Male and Female exist. I'd say they're more than representations, but identities of themselves.
- - earth_spirit - 01-06-2016
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RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Aion - 01-06-2016
Images are of the Mind and identity is grasped through images. Funny that you mention long hair, liking games, etc as being feminine.
If you ask me, you perhaps have a very imbalanced view of what 'masculine' and 'feminine' is. It seems you kind of have them lumped in to two extremes, one of emotion/mental and one of physical. This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me outside of the 'standardized' images that have been projected upon men and women.
In otherwords, I don't think a gentle or 'soft' man is necessarily feminine because I don't view compassion and feelings as being exclusively female attributes. Just like I don't think a girl who's rugged and out-going to be 'masculine' because I don't view those traits as exclusively male.
What I think it is is that labels are seen as attributed to identity are desire because they stabilize one's sense of self. When you can identify yourself with a word or group of people you are trying to create context for your inner experiences. You just naturally will try to build a context out of the 'ingredients' you have available which are all the images and examples of behaviours and ways of being you have seen in your life.
Thus, you have a triangle hole but only a circle and a square, yet somehow this circle and square need to find a way to fit in to the triangle so rather than finding the triangle you cut a bit off the circle and a bit off the square and try to mash them together in to one shape so they fit in the hole you are trying to fit in to.
Thus, it appears to me that the need for acceptance is grounded in the context one has for one's identity. When it appears that one has no 'reason' for their identity one will naturally attempt to construct one out of whatever thoughts are available, regardless of the origins.
So, in the end, I ask, what kind of person do you want to be and is it important that you are 'categorized' correctly by others?
- - earth_spirit - 01-06-2016
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RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Aion - 01-06-2016
(01-06-2016, 03:19 AM)earth_spirit Wrote:(01-06-2016, 03:07 AM)Aion Wrote: If you ask me, you perhaps have a very imbalanced view of what 'masculine' and 'feminine' is. It seems you kind of have them lumped in to two extremes, one of emotion/mental and one of physical. This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me outside of the 'standardized' images that have been projected upon men and women.
Men have sat on their butts and concocted this "masculinity / femininity" to impose on the rest of us.
What is femininity if it is not defined by men?
I guess so, that still seems like another attempt to play the blame game and point fingers.
I would say that masculinity and femininity are to a great degree subjective labels that involve the identification of certain ideas with certain images. My girlfriend, for example, is very much a 'girly girl' by her own preference. She identifies many traditional 'feminine' attributes as being empowering for her as a woman, however she is also ambitious, business-minded and sometimes very blunt in her approach. However, I know other girls who have a completely different concept of what constitutes femininity.
I think it's a little insulting to suggest that every view of femininity comes from men, just like many views of masculinity have not come from women. It's a diverse world and I think any attempt to 'lay blame' is ultimately skewed and fruitless.
I'm also not one of those people who thinks everyone is gender-fluid and that no gender does or should exist. I think there are many preferences chosen all across the spectrum and it is more fruitful to try to see the spectrum than to try and fit everyone in to one part of it.
- - earth_spirit - 01-06-2016
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RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - spero - 01-06-2016
ur first sexual experience might have imprinted u with some preferences
Quote:Questioner: Timothy Leary, doing research, wrote that at the time of puberty, and up through that time, there is an imprint occurring on the DNA coding of an entity and that, for instance, sexual biases are imprinted due to early sexual experiences or some of the first sexual experiences of the entity. Does anything like this actually happen?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. Due to the nature of solitary sexual experiences, it is in most cases unlikely that what you call masturbation has an imprinting effect upon later experiences.
This is similarly true with some of the encounters which might be seen as homosexual among those of this age group. These are often, instead, innocent exercises in curiosity.
However, it is quite accurate that the first experience in which the mind/body/spirit complex is intensely involved will indeed imprint upon the entity for that life experience a set of preferences.
it might also be worth separating out sexuality and gender as two distinct things.
u might feel very feminine but be perfectly happy with your male body and genitalia for example. its not all or nothing and it doesnt always result in a desire to change the body
if u feel like ur homosexual, bi or straight it could just be expressed neutrally as a physical attraction to x, y, z without getting hungup on what that classifies u based on ur gender identity.
i also think ur mixing up transexual, transgender etc and using them interchangeably when they mean very specific things.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Aion - 01-06-2016
(01-06-2016, 03:47 AM)earth_spirit Wrote:(01-06-2016, 03:27 AM)Aion Wrote: I think it's a little insulting to suggest that every view of femininity comes from men
Okay, then what part comes from women? How many female leaders or philosophers are there in human history?
That a benign statement can be insulting has more to do with the reader than the writer.
Women have indeed been responsible in shaping tradional gender roles, but I don't think they created them.
(01-06-2016, 03:27 AM)Aion Wrote: that still seems like another attempt to play the blame game and point fingers ... I think any attempt to 'lay blame' is ultimately skewed and fruitless.
Of course. I'm not interested in laying blame.
My point is, these abstract labels are essentially meaningless, or can mean a lot of things if you want them to.
And yet, people are being shunned or subjected to violence for not conforming to them.
(01-06-2016, 03:27 AM)Aion Wrote: I'm also not one of those people who thinks everyone is gender-fluid
Me neither.
I don't think either gender 'created' them, I think they emerged out of conditions of life. I agree that they are empty in terms. I don't think that looking strictly to 'well known' philosophers or leaders really proves anything...
There are still many woman who enjoy and choose for themselves apparently 'feminine' traits so I can only conclude that there is some degree in which women do indeed identify with these things. Just like there are who identify more with traditional 'masculine' traits. These things don't make them 'more' or 'less' male or female than anyone else who might not choose such traditional values, just different types.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Aion - 01-06-2016
Plus, I always have to question if someone is actually just trying to avoid identifying with something and so choosing opposing identities simply because they avoid the identity they do not want.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Aion - 01-06-2016
Now, don't get me wrong, ultimately I believe in the free will right of everyone to choose for themselves their own identity but I do wonder about the mechanics taking place internally. Not even necessarily regarding balance, but more I am intrigued by the diversity of subjectivism and how objectivivity appears to arise out of these internal mechanisms.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - rva_jeremy - 01-06-2016
In my ever so humble opinion, gender as a cultural construct simply is; in other words, it has no inherent moral significance at all. I cannot imagine those of Ra saying anything else. How you charge that construct with significance, invoke it in practice, think about it, feel it--these are all choices that you as a co-creator are fully and completely entitled to make.
It's kind of like the law, in a way (although please read my comparison carefully, and keep in mind that I'm an anarchist
): the law is a social/cultural construct that doesn't really have any ultimate truth in and of itself. You can charge the construct by rigidly observing it. But it's just as potent to charge it by rejecting it and being an "outlaw". It can be potent by accepting some parts and rejecting others. It can be potent by living completely outside of it and running up into the social/cultural resistances directly. It can be potent by rewriting it and working directly with the underlying dynamics. It can be potent by fighting it directly and tearing it down.The point here is not that it's ok (or bad) to break laws: it's that the construct of law or gender (or anything) imbues the activity around it with a web of relevance creating an environment capable of discrete choices relative to it. It's only the setting for our evolution. Just because these constructs are the significant subjects of important choices--ultimately about polarity--doesn't mean the constructs have any additional inherent value. The gym equipment doesn't have value in and of itself; it's only value is how we use it to experience the Creator. All of these constructs are just objects to bounce off of so that we can charge our experience with the subjects that transmit spiritual significance.
This is how I understand the power of asking "where is the love?" in any situation. Look beyond the surface judgments that are simply the setting of the love. Strip away the cultural, normative, social, historical trappings and see what charge is being carried by the situation under the surface. What is the X factor there? That is the subject of your journey.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 01-06-2016
(01-06-2016, 02:18 AM)earth_spirit Wrote:(01-05-2016, 09:34 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: May I note, I can't agree with the term sexual impairment. Its why I ask this at all. To be of this identity is apparently an impairment.
How does Ra mean?
Maybe Ra means that it is a reproductive impairment. Then again, they also suggest "service of a nonsexual nature" to homosexuals. Sounds like they don't exactly have a high opinion of homosexuality, in which case I'd sooner be "impaired" than "healthy".
It is unfortunate that this area was never explored any further.
(01-05-2016, 09:34 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: some guys got sensitive chests
Nipple orgasms aside, it is said that guys can even breastfeed. Perhaps I can lactate someday.
Sexes are still significantly different if you ask me. Brain/body structure, psychology, immune system, et cetera. I think it is important to recognize and celebrate such differences instead of overlooking them in the name of "equality".
(01-05-2016, 09:34 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I think you've mistook identity with preference. Identity exists sexually speaking socially. Maybe it doesn't personally for some, but I don't worry about them lol
I don't think so. I meant what I said. ( EDIT: You were right in that I mistook identity with preference )
Sexual identity exists only as an idea, a thought. It is literally a social construct, unlike biological sex.
As for sexual preference:
"I think I'm straight but I like penises, am I gay?"
"I'm gay but I think she's really hot, am I actually bi?"
People ask such questions as if it matters. When you simplify your feelings to the extent that they fit into one of the abstract pre-defined containers, they're not your feelings anymore. This can be true for both sexual identity and preference.
(01-05-2016, 09:34 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I honestly don't get why people are okay with plastic surgery and body enhancements but not sex changes. Especially those aware of the Law of One, no offense, but as you said, inconsequentially should we be allowed to bar... restrict a person from making a decision about their body? Its okay to get plastic cement injected into you but not implant a genital? I don't want a sex change, I'm pretty satisfied in the ol' body department. But for those who aren't, I dont want to hold them back.
I'd have no issues with sex change if it was technologically feasible to alter our bodies at the genetic level. Being pumped full of female hormones and mutilating own genitals is not a sex change, and to consider it as such is a dangerous delusion in my view.
I won't try to stop a man from altering his own body to whatever extent our primitive technology allows. But I shouldn't be obligated to call him a woman out of cognitive dissonance.
(01-05-2016, 09:34 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Good notice on the importance placed on feminine being reverberating back into the male energy in society causing such 'distortions'. How many guys do you know want to be a girl if not out of curiosity? How many girls want to try out being a guy? Both if not for the perverted reasons then the curious ones.
If I had to guess, I'd say more guys fantasize about being female than vice-versa. I can't speak for certain, but I believe this is significantly (if not mostly) because of envy rather than purely "perverted" reasons.
Envious of being beautiful.
Envious of being desired.
(01-05-2016, 09:34 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: The Jeshua and Ra Channelings explain that a clear existent energy of Male and Female exist. I'd say they're more than representations, but identities of themselves.
I'm not familiar with Jeshua channelings, but I've never gleaned such an understanding from Law of One.
The universe is vast. Just because our little planet harbors 2 sexes doesn't mean we get to project our sexual biases to the rest of all existence. Although I'm not sure if that is what you're doing.
I'm willing to accept yin/yang, positive/negative. Compared to these, "male/female energy" would be quite limited in scope. If they are identities of themselves, that means they are not accurate representations of sexless universal energies.
I mean no disrespect E_s, I'm picking up mixed thoughts here so I want to offer my opinions on your opinions. I bolded and italicized interesting aspects of your post, and then bolded and italicized an interested thought.
I feel like you're writing off the idea of allowance for personal preference over another in reference to yourself. As if to say you don't want that, why would they?
Some interesting things (and I haven't fully read the rest of the posts below this one so) I don't actually know what the difference between transexual and transgender is beyond beyond and mind, what messes with me is how the body is a creature of the mind, how does this affect a feminine mind when there's a male body? I can differentiate sex and gender as body to mind, but transexual and transgender in my opinion are basically the same thing due to that connection between mind and body.
I literally am not using the word socially in its proper context, and I didn't say anything, that's my bad. As for male and female identity preference and such, I can only say the Archetypes are clearly differentiated in areas as Masculine and Feminine, this is made obvious by evolution as well in 2D leading into 3D, bisexual reproduction is how Ra called it, these energies are existent on Earth, as below, so above, they probably exist in universal contexts as well in aspects of manifestations. To write them off with your own preference is allowable and I'm glad you have the capability to do so, its your right to do so for yourself, but I want to ask you to consider that there are Male and Female Roles empowered by the manifested Masculine and Feminine aspects of this illusion, that they are more than social creations and constructs, but that society has formulated around them, using their innate power to assault the other quietly hidden in plain sight. Why else would woman be raised on pedestals, men told how to be, woman told how to be, but double standards abound everywhere so vehemently, so perpetually that you have groups of people who hate the other sex so much they use them just to hurt them for their own personal satisfaction. A form of domination, and it probably translates higher up in the densities, starting all the way to when one sex realized they could use aspects of their energetic sexual/biological manifestations to manipulate more powerfully.
Porn alone touches all of these and tries to imbue them in people unconsciously. It's a construct that gender identity is a social construct, this is to make it worthless and unconsidered despite the immense psychological aspects associated and directly involved with one's personal opinion of their body and personality from both their mental perspective and physical perspective.
Beyond that, because every male is female and every female is male, I do not personally differentiate sex beyond that they are differentiated, beyond that they are in my mind basically the same with key distortions different/unique from the other.
In 4D I imagine you can change your sex as well since you can also change your body shape as per a Quo explanation. If we're in beginning 4D leaving 3D, transexuals might be the ones who push this breakthrough in society. I personally don't want to tell them what they can and can't do.
Sadly, society perpetuates that it's view is more important than the view of acceptance and love, it is basically barely allowing transexuals, never mind the fact of how cruel people can be to people who identify differently than a major majority of others. You should see the hate crimes haha, they're disturbing. We still nee to reconcile racial differences and sexual differences, racial differences are occurring naturally, sexual differences might require this for our planet... They are here now, obviously they are here for a reason. I don't want to be controlling anymore, I just want everyone to be happy with themselves.
If that takes hormone therapy, keeping their male genitalia and receiving a female genitalia then okay, if they want to mutilate their body and receive a new genitalia, why should I stop that? I don't stop woman from going into porn and ruining their bodies, I don't stop men who love to get their balls busted (a very, very, disturbing genre of porn), and I don't stop people who want to hurt themselves or want to change themselves.
Not my lessons to teach them, not my place to tell them what they can and cannot do with themselves. If someone wants to kill themselves it's a bit more extreme than changing their sex, if it leads up to them wanting to die, that's honestly their catalyst, how cold as that is, I can't stop it. Maybe I could've talked them out of it, but that's not my preference to tell them. I just want them to consider their options because it is scary putting myself in that kind of position. I like my self as I am, but others don't very badly.
In my opinion, I don't need to adhere to such either, I don't know what kind of gender identity a trans might have unless it's obvious, and even if they aren't passable, why must they be passable to be referred to as a woman? Boys referred to me as a girl often growing up, why is that acceptable but it isn't once the person actually wants to be considered one? That sounds like a social double standard naturally against a gender/sex of either type regardless of the actual sex or gender of the person, this is society being as it is, perpetuating separation.
What will happen once the Law of One is understood to a person? Once we've taken it upon ourselves to truly see in each male female, and each female male. That the two are the same, that everything is acceptable? Right down to blowing up a planet, those souls aren't eternally damned to some kind of hell, they're here now still trying, still learning. Some souls want to experience this.
Of course, I also am not socially attached too much and am a bit too open to some things, your views aren't wrong, I just see they don't match mine and so want you to understand why mine are the way they are, not trying to persuade you, just explaining my thoughts.
(01-06-2016, 03:07 AM)Aion Wrote: Images are of the Mind and identity is grasped through images. Funny that you mention long hair, liking games, etc as being feminine.
If you ask me, you perhaps have a very imbalanced view of what 'masculine' and 'feminine' is. It seems you kind of have them lumped in to two extremes, one of emotion/mental and one of physical. This doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me outside of the 'standardized' images that have been projected upon men and women.
In otherwords, I don't think a gentle or 'soft' man is necessarily feminine because I don't view compassion and feelings as being exclusively female attributes. Just like I don't think a girl who's rugged and out-going to be 'masculine' because I don't view those traits as exclusively male.
What I think it is is that labels are seen as attributed to identity are desire because they stabilize one's sense of self. When you can identify yourself with a word or group of people you are trying to create context for your inner experiences. You just naturally will try to build a context out of the 'ingredients' you have available which are all the images and examples of behaviours and ways of being you have seen in your life.
Thus, you have a triangle hole but only a circle and a square, yet somehow this circle and square need to find a way to fit in to the triangle so rather than finding the triangle you cut a bit off the circle and a bit off the square and try to mash them together in to one shape so they fit in the hole you are trying to fit in to.
Thus, it appears to me that the need for acceptance is grounded in the context one has for one's identity. When it appears that one has no 'reason' for their identity one will naturally attempt to construct one out of whatever thoughts are available, regardless of the origins.
So, in the end, I ask, what kind of person do you want to be and is it important that you are 'categorized' correctly by others?
Interesting ending thought. Why must there be a reason to be as you are? I figured it is one of the more basic but considered aspects of incarnating and if one comes across questioning their reason for their identity at all, would it probably be appropriate to say they are doing it for a reason, and that alone is the reason suddenly for being how they are?
My views of female and male are very confused right now lol... VERY confused in that I see differences but I have seen such in the opposite sex, there aren't really any...differences on a...Bigger Picture view. Every sex is the same, the only differences are aesthetic and energetic, but mostly everything else is similar with unique differences in the type of manifested amount of energy one's body naturally has. Some women look 'boyish' or even come off 'masculine' and some guys look 'girlish' or come off 'feminine'.
There's really 4 extreme types, and of them they are Woman Feminine, Woman Masculine, Man Masculine, Man Feminine, and when you put them all together you get a general context of how everyone is in terms of sexuality, gender identity, sex, or you have an idea of the potentials.
So what happens when sex is no longer locked in place, and can be changed? How does reality adapt? Does it adapt? What's the energetic occurrences in a woman who was once a man or a man who was once a woman?
I have been playing around with extremes, and then destroying everything and trying over, and repeating to see if I can stumble into any ways to reconcile such things occurring. Otherwise, yeah, I noticed it myself typing it and was baffled because it made me realize I already don't associate somethings as being male or female but neutral between both, yet society doesn't see such and says otherwise. Hence yes, I am also baffled by how to make sense of how transexualism works in regards to polarity.
Which was my entire question to begin with haha xD
I've had a weird sex life, lost my virginity when I did, then didn't finally actually sleep with a woman until I was 19, had a few sexual encounters by both sexes through high school, like, literally a few, a few times with a guy, some foreplay with a girl on and off, nothing more. Lots o' porn, and I used to not like my body, because of porn and my gender, sex, and all of that. Now a days now that I've been with a few people, have an idea of who my sexuality actually is. I only say I'm confused as to if its proper to identify as transexual or...I guess Transgender socially in this aspect since I don't plan on acquiring a vagina and breasts anytime soon, because I realized I do not socially fit their labels, and its always fun reflecting myself off of society to see myself in a different light. To see myself as Society would.
Because as I've said. I like myself. I really like my body. I think I'm sexy, well...Maybe not my face but that's self esteem issues more so than sexual identity issues LOL
Oh, and my butt could be better
(01-06-2016, 03:19 AM)earth_spirit Wrote: What is femininity if it is not defined by men?
Beautiful?
(01-06-2016, 03:27 AM)Aion Wrote: I think there are many preferences chosen all across the spectrum and it is more fruitful to try to see the spectrum than to try and fit everyone in to one part of it.
Hey, Me Too! I call it the Sexy Spectrum literally, I gave it a funny name to help explain it to people
I call it that because everything is Sexy to someone. The sensation of Sexy is one of the nicest feelings I know, being it or experiencing it.
(01-06-2016, 04:21 AM)spero Wrote: i also think ur mixing up transexual, transgender etc and using them interchangeably when they mean very specific things.
I am, that's my fault, I should have been more descriptive and accurate in my context. I have a hard time differentiating since the body is a creature of the mind and thus reflective of it in some aspects, I view the definition for Transexualism includes Transgender individuals, this is mostly because I thought Society didn't actually differentiate them when exposed to them, they'd treat a Transgender the same as a Transexual. Maybe that's hypocritical ill-judgment towards society on my part.
(01-06-2016, 05:01 AM)Aion Wrote: Now, don't get me wrong, ultimately I believe in the free will right of everyone to choose for themselves their own identity but I do wonder about the mechanics taking place internally. Not even necessarily regarding balance, but more I am intrigued by the diversity of subjectivism and how objectivivity appears to arise out of these internal mechanisms.
Thank you for asking my second question once this first one has been well figured out in my mind xD
Jeremy, you just described pretty well a concept I couldn't quite word, thank you for helping me understand my own thoughts a bit better
Thank you so far everyone for your thoughts, sorry if I've offended anyone!
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Aion - 01-06-2016
So, when it comes down to it, do you really just resonate more with gentleness, compassion, and sensitivity and because of the type of males that have been around you you have become convinced these attributes make you more like a girl than like a boy?
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Minyatur - 01-06-2016
If you wish to know how this relates to polarity, it's really simple. How you feel brings you the opportunity to make choices about it, this energy can then be polarized and radiated/adsorbed. Apply this to everything/anything.
What makes it subjective is that how you are feeling about it is the only thing that determines a polarity for the energy.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Minyatur - 01-06-2016
I think the mechanisms behind everything can be extremely simple in themselves, we're the ones distorting it into a complicated mess.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 01-06-2016
Nnnyes? Its more. ...
Oh, wow, that is helpful.
Yeah, maybe. But its a bit more. Or I guess less.
Aion I don't think I'm 'more' a girl, I just feel like I fit the description of...Transgender simply in that I fulfill feminine descriptors more.
I think my mind is feminine, not biologically female or womanly.
... Does. That not fulfill the description of a transgender? Or is it literally a woman stuck in a man's body kind of thing where I need to say I feel like a female in a male body?? Cause I wouldn't say I do, I just see I am similar in personality to what I believe are feminine personality traits. Though as I said, I also don't really differentiate those from male personality traits so I might just be confused on this entirely haha
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Plenum - 01-07-2016
exploration of questions of identity are more orange-ray rooted activity.
Usually when there is a sense of having being denied rights early on ('infringement'), then there is almost a constant struggle to assert one's qualities. Like you have to 'prove it' to someone, almost forcefully; instead of accepting it effortlessly.
Many mind-control programs break the child by taking away any sense of personal identity (orange ray confusion) by associating punishment with any form of enjoyable self-expression.
Questions of sexuality go to the core of being able to accept our current physical vehicle; and so manipulations of gender-acceptance are also a very destructive technique.
basically - if one is constantly being presented with the question of: "are you good enough? do you fit the bill?", self-doubt is engendered in the mind, and self-acceptance is not a given.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Jade - 01-07-2016
Gender, for most, is extremely fluid. I think it's more "balanced" to identify with both genders at the same time than it is to solely ID with one gender. What you're describing to me doesn't sound like aura infringement or confusion, it's about you balancing both polarities of gender within you and refining that balance. As per Aion, it seems right now that you are more skewed towards being fully accepting of the female energies and partially rejecting the male energies because of other experiences you've had with males. I do not think this is uncommon at all for people who end up changing their identity and being transgender.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Aion - 01-07-2016
(01-06-2016, 09:19 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: Nnnyes? Its more. ...
Oh, wow, that is helpful.
Yeah, maybe. But its a bit more. Or I guess less.
Aion I don't think I'm 'more' a girl, I just feel like I fit the description of...Transgender simply in that I fulfill feminine descriptors more.
I think my mind is feminine, not biologically female or womanly.
... Does. That not fulfill the description of a transgender? Or is it literally a woman stuck in a man's body kind of thing where I need to say I feel like a female in a male body?? Cause I wouldn't say I do, I just see I am similar in personality to what I believe are feminine personality traits. Though as I said, I also don't really differentiate those from male personality traits so I might just be confused on this entirely haha
As far as I understood transgender refers to an actual desire to switch genders, or feeling like the opposite gender. It appears to me you are simply a compassionate male in a world that does not yet fully embrace the ways of the heart and gentility. A 'feeling' male, as it were.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Aion - 01-07-2016
(01-07-2016, 12:13 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Gender, for most, is extremely fluid. I think it's more "balanced" to identify with both genders at the same time than it is to solely ID with one gender. What you're describing to me doesn't sound like aura infringement or confusion, it's about you balancing both polarities of gender within you and refining that balance. As per Aion, it seems right now that you are more skewed towards being fully accepting of the female energies and partially rejecting the male energies because of other experiences you've had with males. I do not think this is uncommon at all for people who end up changing their identity and being transgender.
I actually disagree that most people are gender-fluid, I think that's just a popular view right now. I think a lot of people are perfectly fine identifying with only one. I don't think someone needs to 'feel male and female' in order to balance one's masculine and feminine energies. Someone can feel like just a man or just a woman and still find balance with the opposing energy. It's all about context and how those roles manifest within the individual.
I might suggest that there is a degree of extremism rampant in the 'choose your identity' field where people are going to great lengths to manifest their desired identity. Is such a strong attachment to identity health? Hard to say at this point.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Jade - 01-07-2016
I see what you are saying, I was more referring to Ra's balancing techniques that involve recognizing in the self and other self that every biological male is female and every female male. Just like we all contain within each dichotomy, patience/impatience etc. I think attaching one's identity specifically to certain societal traits that are associated with male/female dichotomies would point to something going on in the yellow ray. Of course many people are fine operating that way, but to further progress one's consciousness the sexual polarities should be integrated, per the balancing techniques.
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Aion - 01-08-2016
What would that look like internally?
RE: Transexualism, Polarity, and How does this work? - Jade - 01-08-2016
I think it's a constant shifting between the two energies until one feels comfortable with both. I think if you identify strongly with one of society's gender roles, that's its likely that you somewhat reject the other side of that coin, the other sex's societal-defined roles. Of course, this isn't always the case, but it's definitely been set up as a "battle of the sexes" - so I believe one has to realize that the genders are not truly at war, not within or without.