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How do you envision fourth density? - Steppingfeet - 09-30-2015
At L/L Research, we close each of our Homecoming Gatherings by posing a question. Usually a question that generates positivity and inspiration as each reaches into their heart to reflect on a a personal experience, ideal, hope, or principle. We go around the circle, round robin style, each person responding in turn to the group question.
This year we asked those in attendance:
How do you envision fourth density?
Naturally, no one really knows, so it opens the field wide for creative imagination, essentially giving each the opportunity to describe the radical, incredible dream of a world where love is way, where love is visible.
We recorded the audio from the closing round robin and, with the permission of everyone in attendance, we would like to share it with you. No one identifies themselves save for one person. Each in the recording is just a voice, a voice like your own.
Now it's your turn.
How do you envision fourth density?
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - AnthroHeart - 09-30-2015
There are lands of crystals which can be tapped into.
YOu can access more than just the akashic records.
You begin to understand the dance.
The sun has spiritual meaning.
You can travel the universe much easier in time/space.
Could possibly be the astral plane.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - isis - 09-30-2015
What is it like to live according to the values of "heaven"? The Confederation talks about this in different terms - third density for Earth and fourth density for heaven - but these terms mean the same thing, roughly. They say that in fourth density, which they also call the Density of Love, the truth is seen by all. Everyone's thoughts are known to everyone else. There is a tremendous freedom in not having to hide anything about yourself. When all one's imperfections are known, and one is accepted without reservation anyway, life becomes much more low-stress! All ages, races and sexual orientations become harmonized. People accommodate each other's quirks. ~Carla
...Then we move into our violet-ray bodies, where the full spectrum of our vibrations can be read easily. In these “tell-all-and-hold-nothing-back” bodies, we come to the steps of light. We walk up them. We will notice that each step of light is denser with light/love. At some point, the steps depart the highest third-density light and enter the lowest fourth-density light, passing through a quantum leap in the nature of light. We do not see the quantum change. We are only walking up the steps into fuller light, and stopping when the intensity of the light becomes uncomfortable. If we have walked the steps into fourth-density light, we have graduated. If we are still on third-density steps of light, we will need to repeat third density. There is no heaven above or hell beneath, and no arbitrary judge. There is only a natural progression, when we are entirely ready to progress. And we have all of eternity to take this journey.
...in the fullness of time, hopefully we’ll see each other again, in Earth’s positive fourth density! I look forward to the meeting with joy! ~Carla
Only in early fourth density does the dualism of our third-density environment linger and seem viable. As seekers mature in their spirituality, they cease being combative and become willing to let the war go on without them. For they have seen the long view: all is one. Negativity and separation are energies that cannot endure. ~Carla
We on Earth have not yet formed a social memory complex (SMC). That SMC is still in an “illusory disintegration form”. In other words, we are not yet aware on Earth, as a group, that we are all one. In Earth’s fourth density positive, however, Earth shall form its social memory complex. I like to think of the internet as training wheels for Earth’s coming fourth-density SMC. It is only when our SMC is formed that our group will be unified enough to be able, as a planet, to join the Confederation of Angels and Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator. I look forward to that day! When the indigo ray is well developed and the person is actively working to develop this ray, the petals can multiply into many facets, like a rose. Indigo ray is the center of your awareness of the Creator as the self. It is the center of sacramental sex, Creator to Creator. The indigo ray holds the energy of the Creator in microcosm. When your indigo chakra is open and functioning, you are the supernal Logos contained within a living being. You are an Avatar. The energy of indigo ray is the energy of the adept which has its place in faith. This energy is the energy of transformation from this present earthly life, which my channeling sources call third density, to the life to come, call it heaven as do many or call it fourth density as does my source. ~Carla
The third wave of wanderers, say the Confederation, are graduates from third-density Earth. They are the pioneers of fourth density. They began to stream into our Earth world around 1985, as they graduated from third density here. At considerable sacrifice they chose as their first task of their new density to come back and help those who have not yet graduated here on their home planet. They also want badly to restore the earth itself to balance as stewards. They feel intensely about this two-pronged mission. They are a fourth-density indigenous species, to look at their situation carefully. They are in the great-ape, heavy, chemical-distillery bodies we enjoy, but they remember pretty well how it feels to live in a lighter and far less emotionally reactionary body. And they come into incarnation with their fourth-density inner or energy bodies activated as well as their third-density bodies. ~Carla
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - native - 10-01-2015
Wonderful post..thanks for sharing. It's great being able to listen to everyone's thoughts on such a subject.
I've been thinking about this very topic as well. I tend to learn towards the idea that reality will become quite metaphoric and symbolic. It's as if symbol and what we know of as reality are two faces of the same coin, and we fluctuate between the two. That or this is all some big grand illusion and it's like being pulled out of the matrix, where at the beginning of each life we design our own adventure.
I didn't get far into the video yet, but I liked the first comment about transparency. I tend to think a healthy form of communication doesn't necessarily involve the points at hand when trying to be understood, but rather it involves revealing our deepest emotions about things. Rather than trying to be understood intellectually, we reveal our feelings to each other so that we may truly be seen. One reason I say that is because I definitely believe we're moving into a realm governed by feelings. And so it's not about an intellectual thinking approach, but how things feel.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - APeacefulWarrior - 10-01-2015
I tend to think 4D existence is somewhat like the "heaven" of What Dreams May Come, an ever-shifted landscape created by people's dreams and emotions. Plus, of course, many 4D entities would be attached to an S-M-C and so have the whole gestalt mind thing going on. Although what I find curious to contemplate is how 3D looks/feels from the 4D plane.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 10-01-2015
(09-30-2015, 05:35 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: At L/L Research, we close each of our Homecoming Gatherings by posing a question. Usually a question that generates positivity and inspiration as each reaches into their heart to reflect on a a personal experience, ideal, hope, or principle. We go around the circle, round robin style, each person responding in turn to the group question.
This year we asked those in attendance:
How do you envision fourth density?
Naturally, no one really knows, so it opens the field wide for creative imagination, essentially giving each the opportunity describe the radical, incredible dream of a world where love is way, where love is visible.
We recorded the audio from the closing round robin and, with the permission of everyone in attendance, we would like to share it with you. No one identifies themselves save for one person. Each in the recording is just a voice, a voice like your own...
And now it's your turn.
How do you envision fourth density?
Having already experienced the bold in 3D, I think 3D and 4D are more similar than some realize. Maybe you'll see the energy of telepathic thought communications, or maybe you'll just feel it. Maybe the world will be ecstatically bright nd brilliant, but dreamy feeling too.
Are we not already in 4D? What's different? The underlying intellectual existence of intelligently designed form. Another adventure.
How do I envision 4D? Like 3D, but more...Open to the true nature of reality. Less dense, less intense lessons, more amorphous and free form, thoughts are more workable, not so concrete and fixed like a 3D world of learning needed to be.
Reality opens up, nothing more changes, rather it turns into what it will be. Not a change, an evolution backwards to source, which lies ahead and created all of this.
Its like that episode of Star Trek TNG where Picard gets shot and his heart fails, he 'dies' and Q takes him to an alternate reality of his life. Death and life appear similar. The afterlife and now life don't look.so different to a 3D being in incarnation (veiled). You could say,4D could show up and happen, and us 3D beings would never even know it!
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Aion - 10-01-2015
More light in general and thoughts manifest almost instantly. Time also passes differently. Things live and die over and over in a moment. There is no death in the sense of something eventually deteriorating but rather things evolve in to new forms of energy and patterns which results in new appearances. Nothing is old and grey there unless it chooses to be so, which is the case at times.
Thus is 4D positive but 4D negative is a little different although not in its construction but in the content that is generated by the minds that dwell there. Keep in mind on this level space/time is created consciously by all entities together with higher densities so a negative or positive space is generated by entities that are individuated but aided by the Logos and by tapping in to intelligent infinity.
There is also a fringe zone between the two polarities which is a rather bizarre place. In this place the thoughts of positive and negative meet and swirl together in strange quagmires of illusions and dreams, each as real and untrue as the next, yet each with a shard of truth. This place is there where the gateway to infinity lies manifest in space/time and can be considered like the 4D version of the eye of the galaxy because remember 4D is not something other than where we are, it is just the next degree of light threshold which is actually already currently existent and 'overlapping' this density. It is only we from our individual perception as parts of the planet which perceive movement across the densities. The densities are always there as they are regardless of our perception of movement through them.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - AnthroHeart - 10-01-2015
I think we'll feel deep welling sadness for the plights of those still in 3D.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Nicholas - 10-01-2015
(09-30-2015, 05:35 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: How do you envision fourth density?
This Ra quote best articulates my vision.
Quote:42.20 Questioner: Thank you. Using the teach/learning relationship of parent to its child, what type of actions would demonstrate the activation of each energy center in sequence from red through violet?
Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.
The entity, child or adult, as you call it, is not an instrument to be played. The appropriate teach/learning device of parent to child is the open-hearted beingness of the parent and the total acceptance of the beingness of the child. This will encompass whatever material the child entity has brought into the life experience in this plane.
There are two things especially important in this relationship other than the basic acceptance of the child by the parent. Firstly, the experience of whatever means the parent uses to worship and give thanksgiving to the One Infinite Creator, should if possible be shared with the child entity upon a daily basis, as you would say. Secondly, the compassion of parent to child may well be tempered by the understanding that the child entity shall learn the biases of service to others or service to self from the parental other-self. This is the reason that some discipline is appropriate in the teach/learning. This does not apply to the activation of any one energy center for each entity is unique and each relationship with self and other-self doubly unique. The guidelines given are only general for this reason.
When I first read the part I have bolded above my eyes lit up. Yes!!! Was my internal reply. They come with material, with a plan and a purpose. Borrowing from Terrence McKenna, they are here to 'add to the complexity'. He was not referring to children when he said that, more referring to us all.
So my foremost vision of 4th density is the consideration and care of the needs for our children. Discovering the particular needs of any one child places us into the position of a learner or student. When we trace things back in the tangible sense, it all began before we were ready to begin, so parental honour/duties would be my vision, at least in terms of what is most important.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Shemaya - 10-01-2015
That makes so much sense Nicholas. If we parent the children with a deep and true understanding of love, then they will for sure carry that forward.
The old way of parenting, ie. Discipline through punishment, conditional love and approval, crushing of self-esteem, failure to teach children that they are sparks of the One Infinite Creator is what has kept the illusion / matrix/ Babylon System of 3d in place.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - AnthroHeart - 10-01-2015
(10-01-2015, 12:49 AM)Icaro Wrote: Wonderful post..thanks for sharing. It's great being able to listen to everyone's thoughts on such a subject.
I've been thinking about this very topic as well. I tend to learn towards the idea that reality will become quite metaphoric and symbolic. It's as if symbol and what we know of as reality are two faces of the same coin, and we fluctuate between the two. That or this is all some big grand illusion and it's like being pulled out of the matrix, where at the beginning of each life we design our own adventure.
I didn't get far into the video yet, but I liked the first comment about transparency. I tend to think a healthy form of communication doesn't necessarily involve the points at hand when trying to be understood, but rather it involves revealing our deepest emotions about things. Rather than trying to be understood intellectually, we reveal our feelings to each other so that we may truly be seen. One reason I say that is because I definitely believe we're moving into a realm governed by feelings. And so it's not about an intellectual thinking approach, but how things feel.
Like a dream is symbolic.
Not much structure as reality/physicality shifts according to thought. Group thought has much more power, as everyone is in harmony.
I believe that telepathy also includes feeling. You can share a full holographic experience with another.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Aion - 10-02-2015
Found this which answers whether or not they are different in nature.
Quote:66.30 Questioner: The planet has a certain set of conditions prior to transition into fourth density, that is in late third density, and then the conditions are different in early fourth density. Could you give me an example of a negatively polarized planet and the conditions [in] late third density and early fourth density so that I can see how they change?
Ra: I am Ra. The vibrations from third to fourth density change on a negatively oriented planet precisely as they do upon a positively oriented planet. With fourth-density negative comes many abilities and possibilities of which you are familiar. The fourth density is more dense and it is far more difficult to hide the true vibrations of the mind/body/spirit complex. This enables fourth-density negatives, as well as positives, the chance to form social memory complexes. It enables negatively oriented entities the opportunity for a different set of parameters with which to show their power over others and to be of service to the self. The conditions are the same as far as the vibrations are concerned.
I believe this also asserts my thought that they are referring to disharmony in regards to the transition to 4D negative, which is 'early 4D', imo.
Quote:66.29 Questioner: In a transition from third to fourth density we have two other possibilities other than the type that we are experiencing now. We have the possibility of a totally positively polarized harvest and the possibility of a totally negatively polarized harvest that I understand have occurred elsewhere in the universe many times. When there is a totally negatively polarized harvest, when a whole planet, that is, has negatively polarized and makes the transition from third to fourth density, does the planet have the experience of the distortion of disease that this planet now experiences prior to that transition?
Ra: I am Ra. You are perceptive. The negative harvest is one of intense disharmony and the planet will express this.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Matt1 - 10-02-2015
Great video. A lot of powerful ideas and voices. Quite a moving video i must say, which is fairly unusual for me. I mostly agree with what people are saying in the video i see 4th density like a lucid dreaming style experience but with structure that mirrors our 3rd density in some ways carrying over the 1st and 2nd with it. Everyone is of one seeking, seeking the creator the source of the all, helping others who are in pain on 3rd density worlds. No secrets or lies. Just openness, love and peace.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - AnthroHeart - 10-02-2015
I think there's a degree of unity in 4D without the veil. Though true unity doesn't happen till 6D.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - AnthroHeart - 10-02-2015
In 4D you can see time/space and experience it with all senses, so I imagine things would look differently than 3D.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Jade - 10-02-2015
I listened to the whole video, and loved it too. It was nice trying to pick out the voices from the energies I recognize. Before Jim even uttered a syllable, I knew it was his turn, that was fun.
Even my husband said "that was really cool to listen to", and the whole dimensional shift thing isn't something I've ever seen him express interest in, or at least, something I spend much time talking about. I think he's aware that it's part of my belief system, but if he believes it's greater than a 50% chance for the world to move into a better space, that's a newer belief of his. I didn't even expect him to pay attention.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - YinYang - 04-21-2016
Was great to listen to this. I think we won't have the opposites we have here, since this is the density of choice. No dark/light, winter/summer, hot/cold, comfortable/uncomfortable, sickness/health. etc. I think people's evolutionary levels will be apparent, someone in the circle was saying he wonders how the leaders or leadership organisations will be chosen. I think the most evolved will naturally take "leadership" positions, and it will be apparent who those are in 4th density. I think anyone who has lived on earth gets a bitter taste when hearing the word "leader", but these leaders will truly serve others, and will council and give advice.
There is no veil between mind and body, so you'll know immediately what's the matter when you have pain, and how to fix it... no endless misdiagnoses. Very little disease, if any. I doubt there will be addiction. No language barriers, everyone communicates telepathically. A strong focus on the sorrows of 3rd density. Everyone will remember all their previous incarnations, and those of all others. You will always have expert council and the help that you need. Someone mentioned no money, that's probably one of the best prospects. No ownership, no mine and yours. All belongs to all. No people committing suicide, no murder, no theft, no war, no starvation...
The extra photon added must make things quite beautiful, the colours especially.
And then while they were chatting I was wondering about this:
Quote:Questioner: Very important point, I believe. Does a portion of the Confederation then engage in this thought battle? What percentage engages?
Ra: I am Ra. This is the most difficult work of the Confederation. Only four planetary entities at any one time are asked to partake in this conflict.
It must be very advanced souls engaging in this kind of work, if Ra says it's the "most difficult" work of the Confederation.
And also if you have an open channel to your higher self, will people still dream? Will they still sleep? What's the weather like? Will it still rain or snow?
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - sjel - 03-26-2017
"All their life in this world and all their adventures in Narnia had only been the cover and the title page:
now at last they were beginning Chapter One of the Great Story which no one on earth has read:
which goes on for ever: in which every chapter is better than the one before."
now at last they were beginning Chapter One of the Great Story which no one on earth has read:
which goes on for ever: in which every chapter is better than the one before."
C.S. Lewis
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Aion - 03-28-2017
With my fourth density eyes.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - AnthroHeart - 03-28-2017
Had a dream where I was playing a game where we all had to guess stuff with our eyes closed. We had to read energy or something. I was new to it and everyone else was so fast. I think 4D has games like that.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Mahakali - 03-28-2017
Judgmental, reactionary people deeply controlled by their subconscious being manipulated by corrupt tyrants who have a better understanding of psychology and are able to hide their true vibration/soul/thoughts in fourth density (even Ra said this is possible, just more difficult in fourth density, and STS groups exploit that to the fullest).
People torturing you for fun, all the joys in life ripped away, a world dedicated crushing the magickal feeling of alone-ness that you used to have when reading a book or writing a story or playing with action figures as a kid.
Corrupt government agents and religious figures who are as bad as anyone else capitalizing on the situation and thinking they have the right to judge others based on their own narrowminded worldviews.
No happiness, no hope. Pain intensifying. People laughing at you and going out of their way to hurt you until you can't take it anymore and retaliate, and then you're the bad guy.
Everyone faulting you for having no compassion when you've received none.
A life of pain and agony, sadness and hopelessness, ruined by bad decisions and idiots who broke you for their own greedy agendas, and they make off with the world while you don't have anything worth having at all.
Others not affording you mercy, but expecting you to be merciful to every idiot who accosts you in the street.
Trying to "change" you "for the better" with the same kind of torture that made you the way you are.
I hate all of you.
I really, really do.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Aion - 03-28-2017
Sounds like a pretty accurate description of fourth density negative. Love you, buddy.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Jade - 03-29-2017
Here's what Ra says about fourth density (positive?):
Quote:16.50 Questioner: Thank you. Is it possible for you to give a small description of the conditions [in] fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider as we speak that there are no words for positively describing fourth density. We can only explain what is not and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited still until we become without words.
That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.
Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of a type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thoughts of other-selves; it is a plane where one is aware of the vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Jeremy - 03-29-2017
That makes me wonder how exactly does one learn the ways of love in 4th density if disharmony is not a possibility. If one attempts to conceptualize having the ability to be completely transparent due to the ability to hear all thought, how does this not cause a bit of internal disharmony knowing that one can't hide anything? I would assume there would be some sort of recollection of 3rd density life since there is no veil thus when we recalls what life used to be like, I would assume this would be a bit of a shock at first.
It's intriguing to ponder.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Minyatur - 03-29-2017
(03-29-2017, 07:45 PM)Jeremy Wrote: That makes me wonder how exactly does one learn the ways of love in 4th density if disharmony is not a possibility. If one attempts to conceptualize having the ability to be completely transparent due to the ability to hear all thought, how does this not cause a bit of internal disharmony knowing that one can't hide anything? I would assume there would be some sort of recollection of 3rd density life since there is no veil thus when we recalls what life used to be like, I would assume this would be a bit of a shock at first.
It's intriguing to ponder.
I'd say you do not enjoy the free will of 3D that was extended through the use of a veil.
You know you are the Creator, you know All is One, you know you are others, you know others are you, you know there's ultimately no disharmony outside the confines of a lack of understanding and perception of what you and everything are. You know it ends in perfect and full acceptance, you know you are ever distilling yourself, you know everything of polarity is also without polarity. Or another way to put it, you can't not have faith in the perfection of all moments because you perceive too deeply the nature of all things and any perceived disharmony only brings a focus to resolve this perception, you do not have the free will to entertain it. (Consider STS beings as delusional in some regard because of their manner of experiencing and perceiving Love through the filter of their being, they can't really not know this will resolve but they make the choice to entertain it and bring this perception to others)
You'd be aware to have eternally been. More than lives in 3D, you'd be aware of your 2D lives and a long 1D within this Octave. We'd be more aware of these things even here in 3D were it not for the veil.
This is why we need veiled 4D. If anyone agrees, just mentally say I agree and somewhen I'll use that as a vote in my astral poll box to bring it up to a particular sub-Logoi. If you disagree, your vote is obsolete in my eyes and won't be any meaningful so you don't have to mentally say anything. You can mentally say you desire more time and I will query you in a different time/space to vote again, most likely not within this life.
I highly recommend the last one for anyone who would've wanted to vote for something but had the unfortunate pick of "No", which is sadly not considered by the rules of my poll.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - AnthroHeart - 03-29-2017
Wouldn't veiled negative 4D be pretty scary.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Minyatur - 03-29-2017
(03-29-2017, 08:34 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Wouldn't veiled negative 4D be pretty scary.
It couldn't be much like a 3D veil, so not all that much worse than what 4D negative already is.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - sjel - 03-29-2017
(03-29-2017, 08:24 PM)Minyatur Wrote: This is why we need veiled 4D. If anyone agrees, just mentally say I agree and somewhen I'll use that as a vote in my astral poll box to bring it up to a particular sub-Logoi. If you disagree, your vote is obsolete in my eyes and won't be any meaningful so you don't have to mentally say anything. You can mentally say you desire more time and I will query you in a different time/space to vote again, most likely not within this life.
I highly recommend the last one for anyone who would've wanted to vote for something but had the unfortunate pick of "No", which is sadly not considered by the rules of my poll.
Hahaha! Something about the concept and the way you presented it produced a mirthful feeling in my stomach. I think I don't quite understand though - how would it possible for veiled 4D to exist? Also, isn't 4D partially veiled anyway? In that "differences are pronounced but synchronized due to group consensus" according to Ra.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - Aion - 03-29-2017
There is a difference between "the Veil" and this notion of "knowing everything", I feel.
Yes, there are still mysteries in 4D, but no it is not 'veiled' in the same manner as Third Density.
Quote:The polarization process, as it enters fourth density, is one which occurs with full knowledge of the veiling process which has taken place in third density. This veiling process is that which is a portion of the third-density experience.
RE: How do you envision fourth density? - sjel - 03-29-2017
(03-29-2017, 11:11 PM)Aion Wrote: There is a difference between "the Veil" and this notion of "knowing everything", I feel.
Yes, there are still mysteries in 4D, but no it is not 'veiled' in the same manner as Third Density.
Quote:The polarization process, as it enters fourth density, is one which occurs with full knowledge of the veiling process which has taken place in third density. This veiling process is that which is a portion of the third-density experience.
Ah, okay. Might you wager a guess at what percent we are aware of the veil, right now?
Actually, I have another question about this I've been thinking about. Since we are 5 years into fourth density, officially, does that mean that we can begin to attempt understanding? At the most basic level? That quote, "It is absolutely imperative that the entity consciously realize it does not understand for it to move forward." Hmm, strange sensation of sadness as I typed that for some reason. But anyway, might we be able now at this stage to begin understanding certain rudimentary cosmic concepts of 4D?