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the problem with unconditional love here... - Raz - 09-22-2015
The problem is that it takes very specific conditions for unconditional love to emerge here...
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - AnthroHeart - 09-22-2015
You need the right catalyst to be sure you are loving unconditionally.
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Raz - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 07:22 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: You need the right catalyst to be sure you are loving unconditionally.
and being loved unconditionally...
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - AnthroHeart - 09-22-2015
(09-22-2015, 07:24 PM)Raz Wrote:(09-22-2015, 07:22 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: You need the right catalyst to be sure you are loving unconditionally.
and being loved unconditionally...
I'd have to meditate and get in touch with an ET of higher density to experience that.
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Raz - 09-22-2015
perhaps it´s just assumptions that are in the way of it being fully expressed and experienced...
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Jade - 09-23-2015
(09-22-2015, 07:25 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:(09-22-2015, 07:24 PM)Raz Wrote:(09-22-2015, 07:22 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: You need the right catalyst to be sure you are loving unconditionally.
and being loved unconditionally...
I'd have to meditate and get in touch with an ET of higher density to experience that.
There are those here who love you unconditionally. I bet maybe you've felt that a couple of times.
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - AnthroHeart - 09-23-2015
(09-23-2015, 01:50 AM)Jade Wrote:(09-22-2015, 07:25 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:(09-22-2015, 07:24 PM)Raz Wrote:(09-22-2015, 07:22 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: You need the right catalyst to be sure you are loving unconditionally.
and being loved unconditionally...
I'd have to meditate and get in touch with an ET of higher density to experience that.
There are those here who love you unconditionally. I bet maybe you've felt that a couple of times.
It's probably easy when I'm not being mean to them.
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Matt1 - 09-23-2015
I think we see and experience what we wish. If we cannot see the love in the moment then its likely a personal choice at some level, albeit one that is likely unconscious.
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Plenum - 09-23-2015
(09-22-2015, 07:20 PM)Raz Wrote: The problem is that it takes very specific conditions for unconditional love to emerge here...
Unconditional Love is definitely the more common term.
But Ra tends to use the expression 'universal love'.
what are the 'specific conditions' that you are referring to here, Raz?
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Plenum - 09-23-2015
Raz - I just realised you might have put a pun in your title.
'unconditional love' not being dependent on specific conditions etc etc.
nice one!!
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Sabou - 09-23-2015
(09-23-2015, 02:37 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: Raz - I just realised you might have put a pun in your title.
'unconditional love' not being dependent on specific conditions etc etc.
nice one!!
I do thunk it be more of an oxymoron eh
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Plenum - 09-23-2015
that's why I am still interested in what constitutes 'specific conditions'.
what is another interesting oxymoron/conundrum, is this:
Ra Wrote:The nature of polarity is interesting in that those experiences offered to the Significator as positive frequently become recorded as productive of biases which may be seen to be negative, whereas the fruit of those experiences apparently negative is frequently found to be helpful in the development of the service-to-others bias.
ie, give someone 'positive experiences' and they become complacent, negligent, self-serving, and 'superior' in attitude to others.
on the contrary. give someone harsh, negative, depriving, hurtful experiences, and they may become more positive.
how's that for a bag of lemons??
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Raz - 09-24-2015
perhaps it is a little like with hot and cold, we use the reference point of our perception through the physical body´s need within the spectrum of temperature. But there is no absolute zero temperature, thus there really is no such thing as cold in a universal point of view, only varying degrees of heat. Maybe it is the same with unconditional love?
edit: Well there is something we define as absolute zero, but the definition is misleading as; "The kinetic energy of the ground state cannot be removed."
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Nicholas - 09-24-2015
(09-22-2015, 07:20 PM)Raz Wrote: The problem is that it takes very specific conditions for unconditional love to emerge here...
Unconditionally speaking, why is that a problem?
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Raz - 09-24-2015
(09-24-2015, 05:42 PM)Nicholas Wrote:(09-22-2015, 07:20 PM)Raz Wrote: The problem is that it takes very specific conditions for unconditional love to emerge here...
Unconditionally speaking, why is that a problem?
Bad choice of word, More like a curious observation =)
RE: the problem with unconditional love here... - Cyanatta - 09-27-2015
(09-22-2015, 07:20 PM)Raz Wrote: The problem is that it takes very specific conditions for unconditional love to emerge here...
I think you might be confusing "very specific conditions" for "personal expectations" of what unconditional love actually is. Emerge where exactly? On this planet? This density? This forum? 1942 Poland? The space/time that you occupy at this moment? It's all relative - unconditional love unveils itself anywhere or anytime when the "condition" of loving yourself unconditionally is met, otherwise nothing inhibits unconditional love from emerging. Only you have the final say in letting unconditional love manifest - no condition, no other entity, no horrible physical/psychological environment has the power to make you withhold unconditional love from yourself - you are your own gatekeeper. When you love yourself unconditionally, it is immensely easier to love others unconditionally and to be more receptive of unconditional love because you are seeing your true self, a being of love, in everyone else. More importantly, you lose any expectation of how anyone could love you (unconditionally) better than anyone else. That is, you don't expect anyone to express unconditional love any better or any worse than the next person. Simply put, unconditional love is love without expectation.
However, I feel like what you're saying is that there are certain socioeconomic conditions that make it difficult to show oneself unconditional love in the first place, and in that case - yeah totally.
There's also this: http://iasos.com/metaphys/3d-4d/, which basically shows how conditional/unconditional love compares in 3D and 4D. I think I got the link from someone on here before, but I don't remember.