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To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - third-density-being - 07-28-2015
Hello Dear Other-Selves,
I would like to ask You about sentence: “Taking responsibility of/for your own Thoughts”.
What does it mean?
I do understand sentence: “Taking responsibility of/for your own actions/behavior”. However I’m a bit lost when it comes to Thoughts.
How for example One can take “responsibility” of such Thoughts as:
Thinking badly about Other-Self
Thinking badly about Self
- and an oppositeness:
Thinking good about Other-Self
Thinking good about Self
Above is a simplest examples of Thoughts – but still, I do not know what it exactly means “to take responsibility of/for” such Thoughts.
Now, let’s get to the hard part.
As I think a lot (all the time in fact – I LOVE to think) I have absolutely no clue how to “take responsibility” of/for complex thoughts that revolve around events, relations (between both objects and Beings), thoughts that explore different scenarios – some negative, some positive; thoughts that are “used” to make plans, “designing my personal reality” (as to considering things and acting upon fruits of consideration, than re-thinking and executing further adjusting (of whatever needs to be adjusted), etc.).
I also write “Stories” and I plan to write a book (one, for a start). How to “take responsibility” of/for such Thoughts? Thoughts that create Worlds, Characters and Their lives? Thoughts that decides who will be happy, who will suffer, who will overcome an “impossiblement” and who will die?
How to understand “responsibility” in case of such Thoughts?
I would be Grateful for your Thoughts/Opinions on that subject.
All I have Best in me for You
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - TheFifty9Sound - 07-28-2015
Responsible can mean slightly different things in different contexts. There is "responsible" as a character trait, and there is "responsible" as an honor/duty.
In either case though, it involves taking a situation and acting upon it with sound judgement.
But to do this, you need to think first. And to make a wise choice you need to weight up at least two options. That means letting your thoughts explore the negative and the positive.
So perhaps instead of trying to "responsible" for your thoughts, it may be better to view it as being "consciously aware" of your thoughts. Then, rather than being a slave to unruly and spontaneous thoughts, at least then you can choose which ones you want to manifest and cultivate.
I would say a responsible thinker is someone who explores all positive and negative thoughts to the best of their ability, and then consciously evaluates them to the best of their ability, cultivating those they believe will be most fruitful.
To put it another way - our mind is the place in which we do our sums. It's the scratch pad of the world that we can use to work things out. But ultimately, it's the answers I put down on my maths exam paper that I am truly responsible for - no-one grades my scratch pad. If I choose to do my sums carelessly, I will probably come up with the wrong answers. But if I am thorough and diligent with my sums, there is a much higher probability I'll come away with sound conclusions.
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - Bluebell - 07-29-2015
causing someone to commit suicide by putting bad thoughts in their head is wrong no matter how anyone spins it.
how about people taking responsibility for their words and actions instead of hoisting the responsibility onto the injured party?
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - Minyatur - 07-29-2015
I wouldn't know about stories so much, in my opinion all is, so whether a story is written or not in a way it already is within infinite potential.
About self/other-self, I'd say responsability could be seen as awareness of the creative power of polarized thoughts.
Quote:Thinking badly about Other-Self
Thinking badly about Self
- and an oppositeness:
Thinking good about Other-Self
Thinking good about Self
The above example could be seen as time/space blessing or cursing of either self or other-self. The more the thoughts are polarized, the greater the creative power. The greater the focus of awareness unto the thoughts, the greater the creative power.
I should add that some are more open to these things, they will know when someone speaks of them either in a good or bad manner. In these cases the impact is somewhat more direct than indirect.
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - Diana - 07-29-2015
(07-29-2015, 12:50 AM)Bluebell Wrote: causing someone to commit suicide by putting bad thoughts in their head is wrong no matter how anyone spins it.
I don't think it's possible to cause someone to do this. I don't speak lightly on the subject.
We are all responsible for our own reactions.
Quote:I do understand sentence: “Taking responsibility of/for your own actions/behavior”. However I’m a bit lost when it comes to Thoughts.
How for example One can take “responsibility” of such Thoughts as:
Thinking badly about Other-Self
Thinking badly about Self
- and an oppositeness:
Thinking good about Other-Self
Thinking good about Self
I think we need to retrain ourselves. As far as I can tell, we as humans in human societies have been trained to think mostly negatively about everything. Just look at some sayings that are ubiquitous: money is the root of all evil; rock-a-bye baby on the treetop, when the bough breaks the cradle will fall; bleed like a stuck pig. It goes on and on with horrible imagery and negative viewpoints.
So it's a matter of being vigilant. Be the observer of yourself. A good question every time you catch yourself thinking something that gives you a twinge or you realize is negative is: Is that true? Is it true that that person who cut you off on the freeway is an a**hole? Is it true you are not attractive? That one is harder because we are so conditioned to societal standards. Whenever I catch myself in this mode, I look at myself in the mirror and name the things about my appearance that are great and I say it out loud.
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - Matt1 - 07-29-2015
Wah wah wah , how about we just get on with it already laddie!
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - Nicholas - 07-29-2015
(07-28-2015, 06:53 PM)third-density-being Wrote: I would like to ask You about sentence: “Taking responsibility of/for your own Thoughts”.
What does it mean?
I do understand sentence: “Taking responsibility of/for your own actions/behavior”. However I’m a bit lost when it comes to Thoughts.
Hi TDB,
I have found in my own experience of actions/behaviour that they are consequential rather than causal. My own thoughts or thinking patterns have been the causal factors so why would I take responsibility for the effect (behaviour) and not the cause (thinking patterns)?
Carla used the term "enculturation" to describe the way in which we are trained and socialised to think and act in accordance with the socio/economic/political climate that exists. This begins as soon as we start to observe and absorb our surroundings at a very young age. I think it is safe to say that most of us here at Bring4th (if not all) chose the outlining conditions in which to be born into, prior to being born. So from that perspective at least, there is some logic in accepting responsibility for every aspect of our own experience, including those thoughts that seem alien to us.
Observing our own thoughts, accepting our own thoughts and attempting to find the nature of how they got there in the first place, is what I understand as 'shadow work'. I think this Ra quote has relevance here...
Quote:the gradual increase in the ability to observe one’s reactions and to know the self will bring the self ever closer to a true balance. Patience is requested and suggested, for the catalyst is intense upon your plane and its use must be appreciated over a period of consistent learn/teaching.
Our minds are constantly compartmentalising things as this or that and we can all identify with a certain thought or image as being positive or negative. If what I have to offer is unhelpful, Plenums balancing thread here
might be.
The only other thing I would add is that from a magical perspective words have power in that they literally have the potential to cast a "spell". So by tracing our thoughts we can also find the spells that were innocently (or not) cast upon us when we were unaware of their potential power. Furthermore, the strength of desire behind taking full responsibility of our complete experiences can be measured by our realisation of which words are worth our contemplation, and which are worth dismissing altogether.
Or as Bruce Lee suggested, "Be water my friend".
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - third-density-being - 07-29-2015
Thank You, Dear Other-Selves, for all your replies.
As I understand, based on your replies, there’s no actual “responsibility of a Thought”. There are:
- Thought balancing through exploring “both sides” of any given experience / Thought-experience (“counter-Thought” of any given “Thought”);
- Care in inducing/imposing Thoughts on Other-Selves that ma lead to dramatic actions/situations;
- Being aware of “greater reality of Thoughts” that through Focus may influence Self / Other-Selves;
- To guard and observe Thoughts and to carefully examine Their contents.
“Thought” – as ‘stand-alone’ Phenomenon – is so elusive for Us, that I must agree that there’s very little We can do with Thought-It-Self (We cannot even define “It”).
I guess the only “responsibility” in regards of the Thoughts may be tied to actions We take, that are initiated/based on Thoughts We are “cultivating” – for some reason “maintaining” within Us.
I’ve noticed, that “Thoughts-Set” are “creating” (as presenting to Self) reality /picture of reality in incomplete manner. When certain aspects are strongly emphasized, others aspects are almost invisible and Being may “receive” false “image of reality” and undertake inadequate actions that may be harmful for Self or/and Other-Selves. Therefore in this – in “Awareness of Thoughts context” – I see possibility of “taking responsibility” for One’s Thoughts / “Thoughts-Set”.
@Matt1
I did not understood your comment. Please clarify.
All I have Best in me for You
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - third-density-being - 07-29-2015
Thank You, Dear Nicholas, for your Words.
I agree with You fully. There’s just one thing I try working on for some time now:
(07-29-2015, 07:47 PM)Nicholas Wrote: (...)
The only other thing I would add is that from a magical perspective words have power in that they literally have the potential to cast a "spell". So by tracing our thoughts we can also find the spells that were innocently (or not) cast upon us when we were unaware of their potential power. Furthermore, the strength of desire behind taking full responsibility of our complete experiences can be measured by our realisation of which words are worth our contemplation, and which are worth dismissing altogether.
Or as Bruce Lee suggested, "Be water my friend".
To track a Thought. Longer I attempt to do that, more my Thoughts reminds me of a water.
It is in my reach to examine the Source of any given Thought (as by what “It” was induced / caused to emerge from Self) – but to “follow a Thought” is very hard, as I cannot pin-point the “moment” when one Thought become “another-One” (as to become a Source of “new” Thought).
But above is more “technical” issue. In overall understanding of this matter I think I grasp basics – and what’s most important – it’s doable / possible to conduct. Thank You.
All I have Best in me for You
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - Aion - 07-29-2015
I find its easier when you don't separate thoughts from actions because to me they are part of the same process. If thoughts are the mouth of the river then actions are the end where it meets the Sea (of others' thought-actions).
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - Aion - 07-29-2015
Put another way, all your actions are actually thoughts occuring on a particular level of consciousness. Whereas what we consider internal thoughts happen on another level, but it's all thoughts.
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - TheFifty9Sound - 07-29-2015
(07-29-2015, 09:53 PM)Aion Wrote: Put another way, all your actions are actually thoughts occuring on a particular level of consciousness. Whereas what we consider internal thoughts happen on another level, but it's all thoughts.
This could be a useful way of looking at it. The individual chooses which thoughts to cultivate into physical reality. I can conceive of a chair in my mind, where it exists purely in thought form, but I can then go and manifest that same chair in the physical world. It's the same thought, brought forth onto another level of conciousness.
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - Aion - 07-29-2015
Preciisely.
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - anagogy - 07-30-2015
(07-29-2015, 09:53 PM)Aion Wrote: Put another way, all your actions are actually thoughts occuring on a particular level of consciousness. Whereas what we consider internal thoughts happen on another level, but it's all thoughts.
I also agree with this mode of thinking.
It really does help to understand that all that exists is thought. Whatever you see, whether it be a book, a tree, a car, a person. All of it, without exception, is a crystallization of thought.
Physical things are just "tangible thoughts". Part of this thought/gestalt/reality is predicated on the awareness of it "being outside of 'me'" and having "defined physical parameters". So the next vibration up is a slightly less tangible version of this in the lower astral, and another less tangible layer connecting to the previous layer, and so on till all the interlocking subtle bodies form a chain of vibrational causation up to pure formless Beingness. Imagine snow sitting on a glacier, that is floating in the water. Perfect analogy for crystallizations of thought, sitting in a sea of yet less crystallized/tangible thought.
So finding alignment with some physical condition in your life really does boil down to finding the pure thoughts, because if you had found the perfect thoughts that matched it, you couldn't help but also be experiencing its reality also, because, as we just discussed, those physical conditions are just amassings of thought. All realities are this way.
This is why you "create your own reality", you can't help but create your own reality. You are always creating your own reality, automatically, all the time. And when you really get into this work you start to get to more and more deeper threads of thought. There are hidden aspects that only become revealed though deep meditation on specific things, and you start to tap into the more subtle currents of subjective consciousness generating a specific physical reality. It may be surprising to hear, but what we call "genius" is just attention to a subject. Enough "pure" attention to anything will result in more and more amassing of thought. Sometimes attention to a given subject was amassed in previous lives, and this is why some people appear to be born prodigies of this or that.
They simply built up momentum on a given subject which was then on tap in latent unconscious form in this lifetime.
RE: To take responsibility of/for One’s Thoughts (question) - Raz - 07-31-2015
We have an indirect control of thoughts, to change your thoughts, change your inside attitude as that is what your thoughts is reflecting. My favorite attitude to assume is one of gratitude... The food body can also send us thoughts and that can be overwhelming if we confuse it as our primary being...
Also what and how you see thoughts tells you more about your frame of mind than the nature of the thoughts you are observing (rorschach/inc blot test is such a good metaphor that can be applied on so many levels in this reality).
Thoughts about situations are a little like a gps for our attitude, they will tell us what direction we are going emotionaly and if we dont like where we are going we can just change our attitude to a direction that is of more service.
(the rule of thumb with self; if you can grasp it, it´s not you)