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1999.09.26 Q'uo on Jesus - Plenum - 07-20-2015
Ra made mention of the Jesus entity in a few places. I am sure that Q'uo also referenced it more than a few times.
Here is just a quote from a Session I was looking at just recently.
Even though none of us (I assume none of us) aspires to become a Jesus, the symbol or the archetype can still serve us well in consciousness. After all, Carla's 'challenging process' involved invoking the symbolic representation of how this entity lived their life here on this planet.
Q\uo Wrote:When this instrument thinks of one who has excelled beyond any other in service to others, this instrument immediately thinks of Jesus the Christ.
Here was an entity who did not behave according to the normal standards of the culture in which he lived.
Because this entity’s father was a carpenter this entity would be considered to be a carpenter, for that was the way of the culture into which this entity was born.
This entity did not satisfy the requests of consensus reality that were thrust upon him by the world in which he lived. Rather, this entity was moved by inner direction, first to seek out the wisdom within its own culture, then to seek out the wisdom of other cultures in lands which neighbored his own. This entity did not ever hold a job or earn money.
This entity, thusly, did not contribute to society in the accepted ways of his culture, nor did this entity marry, have children and become husband, father, advisor and wise old man. Rather, this entity wandered from place to place, owning very little, seeking within his own heart, moving according to those inner dictates that called to him from planes beyond the one in which he dwelled.
Fasting, praying, talking to those who wished to talk about the spiritual journey, this entity eventually gathered about himself students, and gradually the entity began to have abilities that were remarkable. And, yet, the healings and the manifestations which the one known as Jesus eventually became able to offer to those about him were not a product of any [part] of the outer or consensus world, but, rather, were the fruit of a long and arduous process of self-discovery and purification of self which this very gifted individual felt called to pursue. When this entity then was able to open a channel within which miracles could take place, the entity was able to do this not through anything that he did but through that which he was. This was an entity who had worked long and hard to open up the deeper levels of his own mind, consciousness and heart.
When this instrument challenges us in the name of Jesus the Christ we are able to answer her not so much because this entity died on a cross, hoping to save the world by its sacrifice, but rather because this entity had a quality of being that was maximal in terms of the purity and profundity of his intention. Or to put it another way, because of the utterness of his love.
RE: 1999.09.26 Q'uo on Jesus - Matt1 - 07-20-2015
Jesus would have been 100% STO i would assume. Even though i am not a Christian and dislike a great deal about the Church something about Jesus and his story still interests me greatly and gives me a sense of joy.
RE: 1999.09.26 Q'uo on Jesus - AnthroHeart - 07-20-2015
Other sources like Dolores Cannon said that Jesus did have children and I think was married to Mary Magdaline.
RE: 1999.09.26 Q'uo on Jesus - Plenum - 07-20-2015
(07-20-2015, 04:07 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Other sources like Dolores Cannon said that Jesus did have children and I think was married to Mary Magdaline.
yes, I think both of Dolores books (Jesus and the Essenes, and They Walked with Jesus), offer the most detailed look at the entity known as Jesus, and how he lived his life. It comes from hypnotised-sources, and claims to be the perspectives of those individuals who were somehow involved in Jesus' existence/training. I found both books quite moving.
That, plus what Ra offered on this entity are the most accurate bodies of information, imo.
There are, of course, countless other sources which claim to have the inside track on Jesus.
I can't recall if the Dolores book supports the idea of the Jesus marriage and children. From memory, it didn't. But I could be wrong, and it could be a good reason for a reread
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(07-20-2015, 04:05 PM)Matt1 Wrote: Jesus would have been 100% STO i would assume. Even though i am not a Christian and dislike a great deal about the Church something about Jesus and his story still interests me greatly and gives me a sense of joy.
Ra offered that the graduation from 4d to 5d involves two things:
* increasing polarity to 98% and above
* being able to recognise the 'dance' (the movements and patterns of existence)
The first requirement is more tangential, and is a consequence of completing 4d work, the second requirement speaks to developing the mindset that is capable of 5d wisdom oriented work.
"This entity could have gone on to the fifth but chose instead to return to third for this particular mission. This entity was of the highest sub-octave of the vibration of love. This is fourth density."
RE: 1999.09.26 Q'uo on Jesus - Matt1 - 07-21-2015
It makes me wonder if Jesus could do all of those works in consciousness and be only at 4th density albeit in a 3rd density body, what could someone of 5th density or higher do? I guess this push's the limits of rational thought. I remember reading in Journey of Souls that those of Blue Aura or i would relate to 5th density go so far as to design different life forms and even astrological bodies.
RE: 1999.09.26 Q'uo on Jesus - Plenum - 07-21-2015
Don actually asked specifically about that, what made Jesus different from others:
Quote:17.18 Questioner: Then if the entity Jesus was fourth density and there are Wanderers on the planet today who came from fifth and sixth density, what was it that Jesus did that enabled him to be such a good healer and could these fifth- and sixth-density beings here today do the same?
Ra: I am Ra. Those who heal may be of any density which has the consciousness of the spirit. This includes third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh. The third density can be one in which healing takes place just as the others. However, there is more illusory material to understand, to balance, to accept, and to move forward from.
The gate to intelligent infinity can only be opened when an understanding of the instreamings of intelligent energy are opened unto the healer. These are the so-called Natural Laws of your local space/time continuum and its web of electromagnetic sources or nexi of instreaming energy.
Know then, first, the mind and the body.
Then as the spirit is integrated and synthesized, those are harmonized into a mind/body/spirit complex which can move among the dimensions and which can open the gateway to intelligent infinity, thus healing self by light and sharing that light with others.
True healing is simply the radiance of the self causing an environment in which a catalyst may occur which initiates the recognition of self, by self, of the self-healing properties of the self.
it's all a function of being able to use the spirit complex.
The bit in italics where Ra answers suggests that once the self has been fully balanced in 3d (first the mind, then the body, then integrating the spirit) the dimensions become accessible.
This other quote seems to suggest that you access intelligent infinity first, then gain access to other densities (while still in 3d). The above quote reverses that order. In the end, I think the conditions are consonant, and it's not one before the other; but they go hand-in-hand, simultaneously.
"The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience."
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to answer your specific thought though, I think it's all about being able to channel Intelligence. That Intelligence is the quality of the creator, and so there is nothing that it is incapable of. But most entities learn to use a subset of that Intelligence, as they go about their business and service.
RE: 1999.09.26 Q'uo on Jesus - Matt1 - 07-21-2015
"The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience."
Does that mean opening the energy Rays fully in 3rd density will make someone go 7th density?
RE: 1999.09.26 Q'uo on Jesus - Billy - 07-21-2015
I love Yeshua with all my heart and soul. Great being.
RE: 1999.09.26 Q'uo on Jesus - Plenum - 07-21-2015
(07-21-2015, 05:59 AM)Matt1 Wrote: "The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience."
Does that mean opening the energy Rays fully in 3rd density will make someone go 7th density?
it's probably best to put the full quote here, for context:
"48.10 Questioner: Could you tell me how the various bodies, red through violet, are linked to the energy center, centers, red through violet? Are they linked in some way?
Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.
As we have noted, each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread."
I'm not sure I can fully unpack each of the statements here. There seems to be a lot of technical detail being referenced, that was never filled in.
But the 'octave' here seems to be a shorthand for the next density (4th), which contains 7 sub-bands.
Ra is referencing the true color densities (4th, 5th, and 6th) above.
An adept in 3d, even though they don't have a physical 4d body, can still somehow use the energy centres in 4d time/space to explore experience.
This statement seems to be exceptionally deep:
"As we have noted, each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation."
Things that are in potentiation can be brought into activation with the appropriate know-how, and vibrational level.
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this also seems to be the key for dual-activated individuals. They do have a 4d physical body, and so their 4d energy centres are activated, where-as everyone else has to do this by conscious work.
Having their 4d energy centres functioning gives them both access to extra 'insight', which informs how they think and process their experience in 3d, as well as inherent abilities, because they are accessing energy which is not of 3d, but which can influence 3d affairs. (all the densities overlap and co-exist).
RE: 1999.09.26 Q'uo on Jesus - Matt1 - 07-21-2015
I think i understand, Ra is talking about the next 7 wave band octave of 4th density red through violet of the sub rays, while the activation of the 7 rays within the wave band of 3rd density allows for contact with 4th density while in 3rd density formation, however it seems that there is a relation through each colour ray in the greater collection of octaves such as Yellow Ray Green, Green Ray Green, Blue Ray Green, Indigo Ray Green etc?
RE: 1999.09.26 Q'uo on Jesus - Plenum - 07-21-2015
yeah, basically there's lots of Green.
But the 'overlap' would be like an octave on a piano. Let's take middle C as the first banding of yellow ray. Then unblocking CDE, FGAB would allow one access to the next octave of notes. But until you reach B (the violet ray of third density) no 4d vibrations are able to be experienced directly. Of course, we are still subject to the effect of the increaing photon frequency, which changes the fundamental nature of how we experience the 3d octave ('thoughts becoming things') but that's not direct 4d density/octave experience.
In Ra's example, it seems that once you reach the B note in third density (violet ray) you can almost pick and choose which higher notes you want to explore, and it's not necessarily sequential.