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Ra as a teach/learner and learn/teacher and us in these roles - Minyatur - 07-13-2015
I've seen Ra being associated with being a STO-strictly teacher, that forms of wisdom which are not STO-based would be disonant with his teachings, that non-STO behaviors would be disonant with the LOO unlike STO behaviors, but is that true and is that what Ra teaches? Or does this perception come from looking at the more biased parts of the material, ignoring in the process that Ra is a distorted teacher in the process of learning himself, only able to try his best in teaching in the less distorted way, which is of course not possible in itself.
Ra as a teacher
In this quote Ra presents himself as a Messenger of the LOO, wishing to teach/learn this single Law. As such I do understand that what Ra ultimately wants to teach is not the STO-path but rather the Law of One as a whole. Moving himself away more and more from the STO-path which was his own, toward a better and more unified understanding of the Whole.
Of course this does not exclude that Ra will and can teach the STO path to those that seek to learn it, but also implies that what Ra teaches is far more than just that.
Quote:76.8 Questioner: Were Ra’s teachings focusing on the archetypes for this Logos and the methods of achieving a very close approach to the archetypical configuration? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct without being true. We of Ra are humble messengers of the Law of One. We seek to teach/learn this single law. During the space/time of the Egyptian teach/learning we worked to bring the mind complex, the body complex, and the spirit complex into an initiated state in which the entity could contact intelligent energy and so become teach/learner itself that healing and the fruits of study could be offered to all. The study of the roots of mind is a portion of the vivification of the mind complex and, as we have noted, the thorough study of the portion of the roots of mind called archetypical is an interesting and necessary portion of the process as a whole.
Ra as a learner
It is important to understand that Ra teaches/learn us but also is a learn/teacher of his own. Pershaps not in relationship with this plane but Ra still goes through the very same process that we do, of moving on from distortions toward greater harmony, leaving many things behind which were held dearly, to reach greater awareness closer to the One.
Many of Ras distortions are to fall away as he himself walks the steps of adepthood, just like any of us, as above as bellow.
Quote:80.20 Questioner: Sorry about that. Can you tell me what the twentieth archetype would be?
Ra: I am Ra. That which you call the Sarcophagus in your system may be seen to be the material world, if you will. This material world is transformed by the spirit into that which is infinite and eternal. The infinity of the spirit is an even greater realization than the infinity of consciousness, for consciousness which has been disciplined by will and faith is that consciousness which may contact intelligent infinity directly. There are many things which fall away in the many, many steps of adepthood. We, of Ra, still walk these steps and praise the One Infinite Creator at each transformation.
Law of One
So at this point, it can be seen that Ra is both in his own eyes, a teacher and a learner of the Law of One. But how is this Law perceived by Ra in it's less distorted way?
From the very first session, Ra explains very well the Law of One. This is the lenses through which other-selves ought to be seen in a consonant manner with the Law of One. I do think that there are many parts of the Ra material, which seen through this quote, would not be in themselves consonant with the Law of One and could be seen as distortions of it.
Quote:1.7 Questioner: [The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.]
Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.
That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.
In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.
May we enunciate this law in more detail?
If one wants to teach/learn the LOO, one must adhere to this very description. The Law of One cannot be taught as a Whole through polarity, through rights or wrongs, through finding mistakes in others.
Of course this is easier said than done as we all have various distortions of our own, which also holds true in Ra's case. But in teaching we all also are learners and as such this is always the direction through which we move, that none is exempt of leaving behind his own distortions.
This of course, does not exclude that any other forms of teachings are well. But if one wants to teach what Ra teaches, than it is this single law which is the main focus.
Positive attitude in teach/learning (if one wishes to be positive)
I've seen many try to push their ideas unto others, perceiving their mentallity as something in need of being fixed rather than understood/accepted as a mirror unto themselves that has something to also teach them.
The most important concept in teach/learning would be from my perspective to accept self foremost as a learner when trying to teach others.
The second msot important concept would be that nothing in others shall be overcome, which would not be good in itself. There is no point in expecting others to overcome their current self because it seems not consonant with our own perception of reality, we can all only be true to ourselves just like others also are.
Quote:18.5 Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here from Jim that I will read verbatim: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds that belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for an entity to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it’s called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities in aiding an entity to grow more into the Law of One?”
Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.
The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.
The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming thus creates the further environment for holding onto that which apparently has been overcome.
All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with other-selves, the appropriate description shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.
It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.
I would add that whereas this is true in looking at other-selves, it also ought to be seen and understood in self.
We are not in need of fixing, nor are others in need to fixing beyond how change naturally comes to us through our own personal desires.
The Greatest Service
Quote:15.7 Questioner: What is the greatest service that our population on this planet could perform individually?
Ra: I am Ra. There is but one service. The Law is One. The offering of self to Creator is the greatest service, the unity, the fountainhead. The entity who seeks the One Creator is with infinite intelligence. From this seeking, from this offering, a great multiplicity of opportunities will evolve depending upon the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions with regard to the various illusory aspects or energy centers of the various complexes of your illusion.
Thus, some become healers, some workers, some teachers, and so forth.
It also ought to be understood that not all work with the same distortions and within the same illusionary circumstances, not all are to play the same role.
The only greatest role there is, is to consciously seek the One in each our unique way of doing it. We are unfolding awareness of the Creator of Himself, and it can ever only be Love/Light and Light/Love. The only thing that can ever change, is greater awareness of what always was Love/Light and Light/Love.
I would also think that it is important to view Ra not as a most advanced individual but rather as a group which is a blending of many many distortions in the process of transcending them.
RE: Ra as a teach/learner and learn/teacher and us in these roles - APeacefulWarrior - 07-13-2015
I agree completely. Ra is clearly still fairly polarized positive himself, and he's presenting a positively-spun version of the LOO, but the LOO itself transcends polarity and Ra knows this. As in that quote you pulled out, where he openly says that there is no polarity in the end. Plus, as he says repeatedly, he's continuing to learn and grow so he can move towards 7D Unity with the Creator.
Which means, as far as I can tell, moving past polarity entirely and learning to love/embrace ALL aspects of creation, not just the positive ones.
Now, for whatever higher-level reasons, he also clearly believes that the best path for Earth is a positive path, and he continues working towards those ends as well. That's undoubtedly a large part of why his teachings are tilted so clearly towards the positive path. But he repeatedly acknowledges the need for the negative side, even if it seems he finds it distasteful. (At the least, he certainly did not dwell on negative matters past the bare minimum.)
So yeah, everyone plays a role. Ra would presumably prefer to see us polarizing positively and gave plenty of information towards that end, but it's still ultimately a matter of choice. And everyone ends up at the same place in the end - Unity - but just end up taking different paths to get there.
(Although personally, I wouldn't attach too much importance to him being a gestalt. After all, so are we.
He still has a fairly stable personality that emerges from the combination of the elements that make him up, and evidently wanted to be taken as a single entity.)
RE: Ra as a teach/learner and learn/teacher and us in these roles - Minyatur - 07-13-2015
(07-13-2015, 01:09 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: I agree completely. Ra is clearly still fairly polarized positive himself, and he's presenting a positively-spun version of the LOO, but the LOO itself transcends polarity and Ra knows this. As in that quote you pulled out, where he openly says that there is no polarity in the end. Plus, as he says repeatedly, he's continuing to learn and grow so he can move towards 7D Unity with the Creator.
Which means, as far as I can tell, moving past polarity entirely and learning to love/embrace ALL aspects of creation, not just the positive ones.
Now, for whatever higher-level reasons, he also clearly believes that the best path for Earth is a positive path, and he continues working towards those ends as well. That's undoubtedly a large part of why his teachings are tilted so clearly towards the positive path. But he repeatedly acknowledges the need for the negative side, even if it seems he finds it distasteful. (At the least, he certainly did not dwell on negative matters past the bare minimum.)
So yeah, everyone plays a role. Ra would presumably prefer to see us polarizing positively and gave plenty of information towards that end, but it's still ultimately a matter of choice. And everyone ends up at the same place in the end - Unity - but just end up taking different paths to get there.
(Although personally, I wouldn't attach too much importance to him being a gestalt. After all, so are we.
It was more about how his words are used rather than how Ra is.
I am well aware that Ra is just what we all are, I wouldn't hold anything against him nor his words.
RE: Ra as a teach/learner and learn/teacher and us in these roles - third-density-being - 07-13-2015
Hello Dear Elros Tar-Minyatur,
I agree with your conclusions for the most part.
Regarding “teaching/learning The Law of One” – I guess “It” possess “different dimensions” for each Density. I mean it surely is far differently understood by Being “made of energy” and it is different for Us, “material Creatures”. The “properties of the Environment” themselves limits Us greatly. Moreover, Our Perception and Understanding is base on “divisions” (to divide and to label). Our “direct Experience” seems to contradict The Law of One (!) I guess that’s the “distortion” that makes pursuing “The Law of One” so significant on the part of the “gained Positive Experience” (as an “accelerate Spiritual Evolution” is possible in third-density).
I also agree that Ra was/were focused on Service-to-Others Path and many of His/Her/Its/Their descriptions and examples are somewhat “one-sided”.
As an example:
Service to Self Seeker do not pursue understanding of “Oneness”. For such Being, it is HE/SHE who IS THE CREATOR – not Other-Selves. It is not until middle-sixth-density when “realization”/”acceptance” of Other-Selves as Self/Creator gives “possibility of further Evolution” to the Adept.
If only to apply this one perspective to entire “The Law of One” and to interpret it through such prism, One would draw different conclusions than in “dedicated read” with Service-to-Others Path, as a “template”.
All I have Best in me for You
RE: Ra as a teach/learner and learn/teacher and us in these roles - Lighthead - 07-13-2015
We teach/learn! We learn/teach.
RE: Ra as a teach/learner and learn/teacher and us in these roles - Minyatur - 07-13-2015
(07-13-2015, 07:48 PM)third-density-being Wrote: Hello Dear Elros Tar-Minyatur,
I agree with your conclusions for the most part.
Regarding “teaching/learning The Law of One” – I guess “It” possess “different dimensions” for each Density. I mean it surely is far differently understood by Being “made of energy” and it is different for Us, “material Creatures”. The “properties of the Environment” themselves limits Us greatly. Moreover, Our Perception and Understanding is base on “divisions” (to divide and to label). Our “direct Experience” seems to contradict The Law of One (!) I guess that’s the “distortion” that makes pursuing “The Law of One” so significant on the part of the “gained Positive Experience” (as an “accelerate Spiritual Evolution” is possible in third-density).
I also agree that Ra was/were focused on Service-to-Others Path and many of His/Her/Its/Their descriptions and examples are somewhat “one-sided”.
As an example:
Service to Self Seeker do not pursue understanding of “Oneness”. For such Being, it is HE/SHE who IS THE CREATOR – not Other-Selves. It is not until middle-sixth-density when “realization”/”acceptance” of Other-Selves as Self/Creator gives “possibility of further Evolution” to the Adept.
If only to apply this one perspective to entire “The Law of One” and to interpret it through such prism, One would draw different conclusions than in “dedicated read” with Service-to-Others Path, as a “template”.
All I have Best in me for You
Surely this is a dimension of it's own in addition to the veil which is in place. I do agree that Teach/Learn and Learn/Teach probably mean something in higher densities I cannot picture as of now.
In regards to the STS bias, well we could say it is much easier to perceive the limits of others instead of our owns, as such Ra might perceive what the negative adept has to let go of yet perceive not fully what the positive adept also has to let go of in mid-sixth density.
In my view they are mirrors one unto another, pershaps to reach back toward Unity one has to let go of self but also other-selves.