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Is the Harvest finally over? - 4Dsunrise - 06-21-2015
Hey B4 readers,
Maybe some here have sensed or experienced this -- I haven't delved into threads here in the Harvest subforum and I may be late to the party.
So this may be old news since it's implied by various Ra/Quo excerpts that from a metaphysical or time/space level, that the Harvest and the determination of graduation has been going on for quite some time, and possibly with its final completion around 2012 to the present.
Disclaimer time -- I'm no seer but three personal 'psychic experiences' happened for me which gives this notion credence and with some added extra details -- at least from my perspective.
Here I'll list them in the order that they relate in the best way.
1. I've always used the mantra "I'm here for the Harvest" ever since discovering the Ra Material in 1986 and that mantra kept me going during the roller coaster ride since then. During a down swing of that roller coaster in mid-Nov of 2012 I had an event where I did an extra focused repetition of that mantra -- but then, in mid-mantra, was abruptly interrupted by an external voice that clearly and with conviction said "the Harvest is over".
It got my attention to where I emailed Scott Mandelker to ask if he had personally or had heard from others with a similar experience.
He said that "the voice effect" wasn't his own experience but that he had other intuitions that in his words -- "the die is already cast in terms of a metaphysical split between those repeating and those graduating to 4D, and that the 4D/R4 gate is closed."
That was enough confirmation for me to shift my focus beyond that mantra -- at least in a conscious sense.
2. I say conscious sense because previously, in May 2010, I had an ultra-lucid dream experience where I had a lively meet and greet with two familiar Wanderers.
We then were quickly transported above a huge group of people who were in three long lines and waiting to enter what looked like an outdoor arena. We each hovered over our own assigned line -- and specifically over the very end of the line where the people were very anxious and unsettled.
It was like we had to give these folks at the end of the line the most care and focus because they were the most at risk not to get in and they knew it. It was a clear sense of assisting them through the graduation process -- keeping them in line, so to speak -- especially those at the end of the line who were borderline to graduate.
3. Fast forward to last week where again in a dream which seems related to 1 and 2 -- where I had, what I'd call a telempathic reception of the emotional feeling and attitude of approx 200 people who were given extra time to prove themselves but who just barely missed graduation.
It was like the very last chance to be sincerely 51% STO before the 4D gate is closed and they just didn't have the 'oomph" to make the commitment. I got the sense that they didn't have enough to overcome the psychological bias for shallowness when it was really important to be sincere.
It makes sense that a Harvest or Graduation would have to extend a bit further for just such situations of those who are on the fence and who are given every possible chance to make the jump.
So that's my take -- and if true, it bodes well for now allowing a clear and focused directive for the next phase of this 4D transition.
As the next directive I'm thinking maybe some kind of Exodus phase based on what is called 'mundane astrology' of the seven-fold Pluto-Uranus square which has just ended and was the same pattern during the alleged time of the Hebrew Exodus.
I'm not a big Bible fan but perhaps this is one event that has some historical evidence based on some youtube documentaries of archeological findings.
Here's an excerpt from my 2nd email sent to Scott M regarding this. The main point is to stress how astrology supports the end of Harvest and beginning of the next phase -- an Exodus of a broader kind?
My sense is that we may be experiencing another Exodus phase so therefore it relates to dimensional shift and Exodus types of global change (floods, earthquakes, plagues etc) and could be interpreted as a possible exodus of Wanderers and others during the time frame from 2010-2019 (period of exact pattern is June 2012 -- March 2015).
This pattern is the much reported Uranus/Aries transit of Pluto/Capricorn which makes seven 90 degree square transits to each other as they slowly move forward and backward with respect to our Earth -- a right triangle is formed between Earth, Uranus and Pluto with Earth as the pivot point -- a geocentric based pattern.
Uranus square Pluto is always considered transformational but are especially intense in Aries and Capricorn since these signs are the extreme transformational and emergent fire and earth.
Another key planet is Neptune. Neptune is slowly transitting through its natural sign Pisces and is located between Uranus and Pluto so this Neptunian phase represents higher vibrational and etheric/spiritual accessibility with the strong water element theme which dissolves old patterns. (also subterranian and oceanic patterns of activity)
In addition, just this past Nov 24, 2013 the one and only heliocentric square transit of Uranus and Pluto occurred with the Sun as the pivot point. So post-Nov 24 suggests a beginning of a new phase.
So the key pattern is the seven-fold Uranus/Aries square Pluto/Capricorn with Neptune/Pisces which is exactly the same pattern as the time of the Hebrew Exodus except there was only a five-fold transit back then -- which is still larger than any other time period going back before 3000 BC.
This present pattern essentially started June 2010 when Uranus entered Aries but not yet 90 degrees to Pluto. Then in April 2011, Neptune enters Pisces and marks the beginning of the Arab Spring and Occupy movements.
Four Uranus/Pluto square transits have occurred before Nov 24 2013, the first one occurred June 24, 2012 and the most recent one occurred Nov 1, 2013. So there will be three more square transits ending with March 17, 2015.
Uranus finally leaves Aries in March 2019 while Pluto/Capricorn and Neptune/Pisces remain in their respective signs a while longer. The most acute portion of the Exodus phase should be over by then but who knows? This is an unprecedented time and the Logos does what it does.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - VanAlioSaldo - 06-21-2015
I understood that Harvest will be taking several decades before it finishes.
If its already over that actually kind of makes me sad. I think Earth needs more time.
I think I need more time haha
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - APeacefulWarrior - 06-22-2015
Sorry, no. It's only just begun unless things somehow turned out way differently than Ra expected.
Quote:40.8 Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Lighthead - 06-22-2015
Quote:Is the Harvest finally over?
I don't know. Do you want it to be?
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Aion - 06-22-2015
I think we're only actually getting started.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Namaste - 06-22-2015
Quote:I am Ra ... Upon the bodily complex death, as you call this transition, the entity will immediately, upon realization of its state, return to the indigo form-maker body and rest therein until the proper future placement is made.
Here we have the anomaly of harvest. In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true-color yellow. This is for the purpose of gauging the harvestability of the entity. After this anomalous activity has been carefully completed, the entity will move into indigo body again and be placed in the correct true-color locus in space/time and time/space at which time the healings and learn/teachings necessary shall be completed and further incarnation needs determined.
This is the clearest quote in the entire Law of One material that states when the harvest is encountered. The notion of an instant switch during 3D incarnation is made through making assumptions from the material, it's never stated as clear as the above.
It is however, stated in a specific context. Don asks about a full incarnational cycle: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=48#7
I'm not saying it's not possible however, as I believe we're (some are) in 4D already. While 3D and 4D are discrete quanta (as stated by Ra), I would assume the 'top' of 3D and the 'bottom' of 4D are virtually indistinguishable to our physical senses. The reason being is our universe seems to be highly linked to sound harmonics, and light. Such things, although having discrete notes and colours, are an infinite graduation of change.
My best guess is that on a personal level (not the news) those in 4D will see power structures fall away, negative people will continue to 'fall' from their experience, while positive synchronicity will continue to enhance and the buffer of manifestation will shorten and shorten ('instant karma').
Either way, find love in the moment and it's all irrelevant, we'll know what we need to know when we need to know it :¬)
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Matt1 - 06-22-2015
I think the Harvest cannot and never will be able to be pin pointed down to a date. At the very best only a time window, which Ra gives as being 100-700 years. In my understanding 4th density is largely based on the ability of those incarnated on Earth to act in a loving vibrational manner. I think the only way we would have an event style moment is if most of the population started to develop spiritually to a fairly undistorted degree.
What i do think is happening is that, we are at the point were those who are disincarnating and are not of a 4th density vibration are not reincarnating on Earth, thus the entities being born from 2011/2012 will most likely be 3rd/4th density hybrids. I believe we will reach a point that most of the incarnated entities on Earth will be 4th density hybrids, wanderers or those who are simply vibrating in this loving energy from the highest sub-octave of 3rd density. I can see us moving into a more Star Trek style reality before shifting fully into a higher density. So if you want a safe overall date to be fully in 4th density maybe the year 3000? haha
To be fair though, we can make the most of the catalyst within this incarnation, learning to see the love/light in the moment, rather than worrying about when the harvest will come. If we move onto 4th density or back to ones home vibration great! if we need to repeat 3rd density on another planet, then that sounds like a lot of fun as well. Its wins all round!
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Nicholas - 06-22-2015
(06-21-2015, 04:41 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: I got the sense that they didn't have enough to overcome the psychological bias for shallowness when it was really important to be sincere.
Hi 4Dsunrise.
That's the heart of the matter as I see things. The foundation of "beingness" is grounded by our sincerity to self, and other self. My own subjective interpretation of harvest was that native 3rd density entities will continue to incarnate up to the "striking of a clock". That church bell, if you will, is signified to me by the end of the Mayan calender expressed at the end of 2012. In that sense I agree that the harvest is over. However, pre 2012 incarnated souls (specifically native 3D souls) have yet to live out their lives, although if we were to thoroughly contemplate the probability/possibility vortices, we could viably speculate on the likelihood of them graduating. Many seem to have karma to process, despite their seniority in the vibrational sense. It's a steep climb and a quick fall if we were to use 'snakes & ladders' as a metaphor for the Game of Life.
I prefer not to contemplate prophesies and predictions though because it feels draining to me.
My assumption at this time is that we have a planet load of 4D harvested newbies being born as we speak, and because of these perceived factors I see much potential service still available. This ~Ra quote implies a lot to me right now...
Quote:"We may note that the instrument has remained centered upon the Creator at a percentage exceeding ninety. This is the key. Continue in thanksgiving and gratitude for all things."
My only enquiry 4Dsunrise would be, how were you feeling at the moment you received this "word form" telepathic message? Were you requesting aid metaphysically speaking or were you giving it?
I do not wish you to answer me here, merely to contemplate the moment you had this experience, in order to ascertain the frequency that you had placed yourself in.
All is well my friend
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - mysteryunveils - 06-24-2015
I can't find the delete button
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - 4Dsunrise - 06-24-2015
Some pretty fair responses so far and no harm no foul. I wasn't even planning to write about anything this weekend -- it just popped up with the prodding of the #3 dream event last week.
The title was a question for a reason since it's speculation and I made clear the disclaimer that I'm no seer and that this is unprecedented in that the Logos does what it does.
My take -- which Scott M seems to also suggest -- is that there is a difference between Harvest/Graduation being finished and the present 4D transition which is a slower phase in which the planet and 4D graduates are incarnating into.
That's also what this Quo session seems to suggest but it may be a misinterpretation on my part. What do you all think it means?
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2011/2011_0305.aspx
Quo March 5, 2011 session which starts with this question:
Jim: It seems that our purpose here is to assist in the birthing of fourth density. Now that it seems to be done, what will our purpose here be in a dying, third-density Earth, apart from the younger people cleaning up and healing the planet? What are we to get excited about from now until the end of our incarnation is here? What should we focus on during the remainder of third density?
Hi Nicholas -- it seems that your view is close to what I'm sensing and what I think Scott M was conveying. I also don't prefer to contemplate too much about predictions and would rather just scan for trends that support the transition.
As for my states beforehand -- the May 2010 dream event was right after a couple weeks of serious study and contemplation about how 1D graduates to 2D -- how life emerges. That seemed to be the trigger.
The Nov 2012 event I described more or less.
The latest dream event was without any special feeling or preparation prior to it so it was a surprise to me.
You're right, all is well mi amigo!
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Nicholas - 06-24-2015
(06-24-2015, 02:54 PM)4Dsunrise Wrote: You're right, all is well mi amigo!
On the one hand we have "ugh"
On the other we have "hug"
Personally I love the latter
Big hugs to you friend
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - 4Dsunrise - 06-24-2015
Quote:That's also what this Quo session seems to suggest but it may be a misinterpretation on my part. What do you all think it means?
I just did another read of that Quo session and I don't think I interpreted it quite right.
The main points are:
...we do not by any means feel that the work of those we serve upon Planet Earth at this time is done simply because the planet itself has won through to being born into fourth density.
It is indeed so that, in terms of birthing fourth density Planet Earth, the work is complete.
Is the whole birth process complete since the transition itself is still going on? Or just the fact that since the 1940's it is now past the halfway of birth? The baby's head and shoulders are out so it's a done deal for the whole baby to soon be completely out?
...It, however, is emphatically not the case that the work of those on Planet Earth is similarly at a conclusion.
I agree with this sentiment and they mention applying the 100th monkey effect and paying it forward as ways to help the transition.
And for those wanderers who came here to help with the harvest, as you feel you did, my brother, the work is most emphatically unfinished, for the fields are white with harvest and you are the workers who have come to help.
This clearly suggests that the Harvest is not over -- at least not at that time and probably still ongoing. But since we always hear about the accelerating of energies and events then perhaps this harvest time frame is also accelerating.
The image that the fields are white with harvest suggests that the 4D graduates are clearly ready to be picked and processed and so the question is 'how long does it take to do the picking and processing'?
In regular farming, harvest season is relatively short and extra people get hired to get it done fast -- so maybe that is how it is taking place or maybe that analogy doesn't apply since potential graduates are still incarnate. Or maybe they've already been picked and processed in time/space terms.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - AnthroHeart - 06-24-2015
My own harvest is over. The choices I make now won't make it any different. It was how I was back in December 21, 2012. That was the cutoff point.
Unless today is the cutoff. All I know is that I made it.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Nicholas - 06-24-2015
Our "neggie" others (to use Plenum's term) are still busy trying to twist and turn events. That is their service offered to us "pozzies".
There futile efforts simply lack the original "kahuna's", or Balls. (to use my own UK, street lingo
).I need not share such details as to why I say this, but seriously, pozzie wanderers DO have the kahuna's to incarnate with. That is monumentally significant here.
Yes, we are consciously in the dark and there will always be that percentage of doubt, yet equally, our loyal opponents are aware of that which they will vehemently deny!
And that's their own shortcoming, their own homecoming if you like. The heart of the matter is too blinding to them, while the heart of the matter is what we seek with all our being!
Quote:"Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane will be of the so-called positive orientation. Many will come from elsewhere, for it would appear that with all of the best efforts of the Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes, inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest will still be much less than that which this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably supporting in service."
I have personally overcome STS rituals and tricks and that is why I am so open and unafraid. So lets metaphysically welcome those from elsewhere with loving arms
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Minyatur - 06-24-2015
I would not say neggie efforts are futile, they are currently incarnating the exact same degree of Love in what they do as any lightworker is.
They provide service for the Creator to know Himself, each of us who is not them has projected their existence as something currently needed by us. That is the true nature of Creation.
Nothing is futile, everything is required.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Nicholas - 06-25-2015
(06-24-2015, 07:32 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I would not say neggie efforts are futile
I do agree. I meant that in the context of Earth becoming 4D STS.
I think I should also note here that my above post was slightly tinged by the effects of Brandy
. I have a sore shoulder and it's offering me pain relief as well as an ability to use and stretch it while my ligaments are in repair.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Bluebell - 06-25-2015
(06-24-2015, 07:24 PM)Nicholas Wrote: Our "neggie" others (to use Plenum's term) are still busy trying to twist and turn events. That is their service offered to us "pozzies".
There futile efforts simply lack the original "kahuna's", or Balls. (to use my own UK, street lingo
i can't understand what ur saying because i'm distracted by Plen's stupidly awesome aussie lingo
it's all that sun. fries their brain.oh and people are such word twisters. cojones (testicles) turns into cajones (desk drawers) turns into kahunas (Hawaiian shamans)...
sorry i'm an amateur linguini.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - 4Dsunrise - 07-12-2015
I just want to summarize with a couple scenarios b/c there seems to be a conflation of the periods of Harvest and 4D transition. There are other scenarios but two that stand out are the following.
Scenario 1 - Harvest period is different from 4D transition period
Harvest period ends at the end of 3D cycle while 4D transition period is inter-cyclic and provides for several generations of 4D grads to enter 4D environment and 3D folk to exit. We should start to see a noticeable drop in the world population.
Transition is 3.8/4.1D overlap and ramped up Harvest was during initial part of this overlap. (Quo mentions 1987 Harmonic Convergence as beginning of a "ramped up" time of Harvest -- I consider it ramped up rather than actual beginning)
The Harvest period has been ongoing during this last minor cycle -- Ra says in 1981 "the Harvest is now".
My take is that one does need to cross over to be fully harvested -- either to 4D or back to 3D -- but now at the end of the cycle it is already known who is 'harvestable' and who are stuck at 45% STO or 90% STS, for example. They will live out their incarnation with no drastic change in polarization -- too much personal inertia to change. As Scott Mandelker says "The 4D/R4 gate is closed".
Scenario 2 -- Harvest period and 4D transition period are exactly the same
Harvest is the same as 4D transition of 100 to 700 years or, in terms of generations (every 25 years), approximately 4 to 28 generations.
The world population will not noticeably decrease for at least another few generations -- maybe get to 10 billion by 2030?
The 4D/R4 gate is not closed and those at 45% STO or 90% STS have up to 20+ future incarnations to graduate.
The increasing 4D activation and decreasing 3D to potentiation is an unknown variable parameter that determines the length of the 4D transition and Harvest -- so the number of 3D incarnations will depend on this parameter during the 100 to 700 year period.
Other Scenarios?
The David Wilcock 2017 scenario -- he's due to get one prediction right!
A note of interest is that in 2 Quo sessions -- August 2, 1987 and August 23, 1987 -- they never mentioned the Harvest when asked about the purpose of the Harmonic Convergence -- then in Sept 29, 2008 session they make it a big part of the Harmonic Convergence.
Another note is that it's probably the case that mixed harvests with 15 planet races involved with a total population of 10 billion incarns/discarns is very complex and variable in terms of determining transition parameters.
So give Quo and DW some slack!
I'm pro-scenario 1. Who is pro-scenario 2? Or who is pro-DW besides David?
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - ree - 07-12-2015
I see harvest as the process of walking up the steps of light and walking up until it's too much (when we die)... rather than a period. If there were a period like now, maybe more polarized being graduating.
As with humans and birth-time issue (which is debated among astrologers) - how do we know when we're born? There's variety of opinion on when something is born. Head coming out, body all out, taking first breath, eggs fertilized... Much like that, how do we even know when a new era is born?
The movement of the outer-planets isn't so significant as there are parallels w/ celestial events during the 'hippie' era. Major shift on a societal level. more transparency, more discontent with how things have been done, more seeking of change and turbulence associated with change. Dunno, this time is special but not really.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - AnthroHeart - 07-12-2015
I wouldn't mind being a statistic for harvest.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Minyatur - 07-12-2015
IMO, there is a time of 3D/4D state of the planet.
Final 4D is attained when no more 3D entities remain incarnated here on Earth. As the planet increase in vibration, souls that die are not necessarily consonant with reincarnating on this planet anymore and would tend to reincarnate elsewhere.
The transition is done over generations, not during anyone's lifetime.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - AnthroHeart - 07-12-2015
My heart feels like it's in 4D at times. The rest of me just has to catch up.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Billy - 07-12-2015
I'd be lying if I said that the thought of instantaneous transition/harvest doesn't excite and give me hope, however shallow it may be.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Ooo - 07-14-2015
(07-12-2015, 05:09 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: Final 4D is attained when no more 3D entities remain incarnated here on Earth.
If this be true, 3D should only be attained when no more 2D entities remained incarnated on Earth, wouldn't you say? And yet, we see evidence of the contrary. Or have you ever seen a cycle end just because a new cycle is added in or begun? 2D and 1D are still very much going on around.
The anomaly here in 3rd density is not 3rd density itself, but the veil of forgetting (most people tend to obviate this entirely).
The only reason why the planet will be devoid of 3rd-density life is to preserve said entities' "veil of forgetting." The newfangled 4D entity is very much like its 3D predecessor—it won't suddenly, magically, miraculously be capable of making their presence "invisible" from lower-density entities. It will have to be learned/discovered, as all things, through a gradual process which will take a variable measure of time. Once this is achieved (via a combination of technological and psychic/mental means), then the 3rd-density cycle will be resumed upon planet Earth.
Prior to the "veil" experiment in 3rd density, there were no 3D "evacuations" after/during 4th-density graduation. There would naturally be 3rd- and 4th-density entities living alongside each other, just as with the earlier cycles—1st and 2nd and 3rd density co-existing together.
The removal or relocation of 3rd-grade repeaters, so to speak, only occurs during this post-veil scenario. Again, this is to preserve the "veil" of 3D entities and allow 4D entities to learn to "hide" themselves from lower-density detection.
Once 4D is sufficiently well-established (probably mid-way), the 3D cycle will be reinstated here on Earth. Only then... 4D entities will be capable of rendering themselves relatively "invisible" from 3D entities, thereby not endangering or compromising their "veil of forgetting."
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Minyatur - 07-14-2015
(07-14-2015, 10:13 AM)Ooo Wrote:(07-12-2015, 05:09 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: Final 4D is attained when no more 3D entities remain incarnated here on Earth.
If this be true, 3D should only be attained when no more 2D entities remained incarnated on Earth, wouldn't you say? And yet, we see evidence of the contrary. Or have you ever seen a cycle end just because a new cycle is added in or begun? 2D and 1D are still very much going on around.
Sure, but 4D is when a planet becomes polarized and both polarities become split from each others which is not something that occurs the first 3 densities.
I've been looking for quotes and only found this which was somewhat close to what I was looking for.
Quote:89.11 Questioner: Did it later, then, become a fifth-density planet?
Ra: I am Ra. It later became a fourth/fifth-density planet; then, later a fifth-density planet for a large measure of your time. Both fourth- and fifth-density experiences were possible upon the planetary influence of what you call Venus.
In this quote you see that a planet can be 4D/5D but also only 5D. Guess this can apply to anything as we are the exploration of everything.
So I viewed Earth's transition as a 3D/4D planet toward eventually becoming 4D only planet. The purest 4D vibration could only be attained here, hence the "Final 4D".
(07-14-2015, 10:13 AM)Ooo Wrote: The anomaly here in 3rd density is not 3rd density itself, but the veil of forgetting (most people tend to obviate this entirely).
Calling it anormal is not very nice.
(07-14-2015, 10:13 AM)Ooo Wrote: The only reason why the planet will be devoid of 3rd-density life is to preserve said entities' "veil of forgetting." The newfangled 4D entity is very much like its 3D predecessor—it won't suddenly, magically, miraculously be capable of making their presence "invisible" from lower-density entities. It will have to be learned/discovered, as all things, through a gradual process which will take a variable measure of time. Once this is achieved (via a combination of technological and psychic/mental means), then the 3rd-density cycle will be resumed upon planet Earth.
Prior to the "veil" experiment in 3rd density, there were no 3D "evacuations" after/during 4th-density graduation. There would naturally be 3rd- and 4th-density entities living alongside each other, just as with the earlier cycles—1st and 2nd and 3rd density co-existing together.
The removal or relocation of 3rd-grade repeaters, so to speak, only occurs during this post-veil scenario. Again, this is to preserve the "veil" of 3D entities and allow 4D entities to learn to "hide" themselves from lower-density detection.
Once 4D is sufficiently well-established (probably mid-way), the 3D cycle will be reinstated here on Earth. Only then... 4D entities will be capable of rendering themselves relatively "invisible" from 3D entities, thereby not endangering or compromising their "veil of forgetting."
Nothing to say on this part. Except that I didn't see it as an evacuation, just as that souls reincarnate in a space/time that resonate more with the lessons they need to learn. More about natural resonance than being about the experiment.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - tamaryn - 07-14-2015
The next ten years after the 2014 alignment will see massive change.
The next two hundred years will see a harvest for the inner earth city, where the future alignment will occur.
I gleaned some of this from "El Ser Uno" The One Being
There are many dual activated young ones. On the 4th and 3rd level at once.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - LunaNebula - 07-14-2015
(07-14-2015, 01:28 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote:(07-14-2015, 10:13 AM)Ooo Wrote:(07-12-2015, 05:09 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: Final 4D is attained when no more 3D entities remain incarnated here on Earth.
If this be true, 3D should only be attained when no more 2D entities remained incarnated on Earth, wouldn't you say? And yet, we see evidence of the contrary. Or have you ever seen a cycle end just because a new cycle is added in or begun? 2D and 1D are still very much going on around.
Sure, but 4D is when a planet becomes polarized and both polarities become split from each others which is not something that occurs the first 3 densities.
I've been looking for quotes and only found this which was somewhat close to what I was looking for.
Quote:89.11 Questioner: Did it later, then, become a fifth-density planet?
Ra: I am Ra. It later became a fourth/fifth-density planet; then, later a fifth-density planet for a large measure of your time. Both fourth- and fifth-density experiences were possible upon the planetary influence of what you call Venus.
In this quote you see that a planet can be 4D/5D but also only 5D. Guess this can apply to anything as we are the exploration of everything.
So I viewed Earth's transition as a 3D/4D planet toward eventually becoming 4D only planet. The purest 4D vibration could only be attained here, hence the "Final 4D".
(07-14-2015, 10:13 AM)Ooo Wrote: The anomaly here in 3rd density is not 3rd density itself, but the veil of forgetting (most people tend to obviate this entirely).
Calling it anormal is not very nice.
(07-14-2015, 10:13 AM)Ooo Wrote: The only reason why the planet will be devoid of 3rd-density life is to preserve said entities' "veil of forgetting." The newfangled 4D entity is very much like its 3D predecessor—it won't suddenly, magically, miraculously be capable of making their presence "invisible" from lower-density entities. It will have to be learned/discovered, as all things, through a gradual process which will take a variable measure of time. Once this is achieved (via a combination of technological and psychic/mental means), then the 3rd-density cycle will be resumed upon planet Earth.
Prior to the "veil" experiment in 3rd density, there were no 3D "evacuations" after/during 4th-density graduation. There would naturally be 3rd- and 4th-density entities living alongside each other, just as with the earlier cycles—1st and 2nd and 3rd density co-existing together.
The removal or relocation of 3rd-grade repeaters, so to speak, only occurs during this post-veil scenario. Again, this is to preserve the "veil" of 3D entities and allow 4D entities to learn to "hide" themselves from lower-density detection.
Once 4D is sufficiently well-established (probably mid-way), the 3D cycle will be reinstated here on Earth. Only then... 4D entities will be capable of rendering themselves relatively "invisible" from 3D entities, thereby not endangering or compromising their "veil of forgetting."
Nothing to say on this part. Except that I didn't see it as an evacuation, just as that souls reincarnate in a space/time that resonate more with the lessons they need to learn. More about natural resonance than being about the experiment.
I agree with Ooo, while I do find your point about polarities very interesting and a great topic for my further pondering! 3D/4D transition is special, since it is in the middle, that's an important fact to note.
Although, why am I replying directly?, because I appeal to read carefully! anomaly is not equal to abnormality, words put in quotes like "evacuation" are to be taken with distance..etc etc.
I felt a need to ask to shine more empathetic light brothers and sisters. I feel that common understanding here might be distorted, while our common goal is to learn and advance all together
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Minyatur - 07-14-2015
(07-14-2015, 03:03 PM)LunaNebula Wrote:(07-14-2015, 01:28 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote:(07-14-2015, 10:13 AM)Ooo Wrote:(07-12-2015, 05:09 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: Final 4D is attained when no more 3D entities remain incarnated here on Earth.
If this be true, 3D should only be attained when no more 2D entities remained incarnated on Earth, wouldn't you say? And yet, we see evidence of the contrary. Or have you ever seen a cycle end just because a new cycle is added in or begun? 2D and 1D are still very much going on around.
Sure, but 4D is when a planet becomes polarized and both polarities become split from each others which is not something that occurs the first 3 densities.
I've been looking for quotes and only found this which was somewhat close to what I was looking for.
Quote:89.11 Questioner: Did it later, then, become a fifth-density planet?
Ra: I am Ra. It later became a fourth/fifth-density planet; then, later a fifth-density planet for a large measure of your time. Both fourth- and fifth-density experiences were possible upon the planetary influence of what you call Venus.
In this quote you see that a planet can be 4D/5D but also only 5D. Guess this can apply to anything as we are the exploration of everything.
So I viewed Earth's transition as a 3D/4D planet toward eventually becoming 4D only planet. The purest 4D vibration could only be attained here, hence the "Final 4D".
(07-14-2015, 10:13 AM)Ooo Wrote: The anomaly here in 3rd density is not 3rd density itself, but the veil of forgetting (most people tend to obviate this entirely).
Calling it anormal is not very nice.
(07-14-2015, 10:13 AM)Ooo Wrote: The only reason why the planet will be devoid of 3rd-density life is to preserve said entities' "veil of forgetting." The newfangled 4D entity is very much like its 3D predecessor—it won't suddenly, magically, miraculously be capable of making their presence "invisible" from lower-density entities. It will have to be learned/discovered, as all things, through a gradual process which will take a variable measure of time. Once this is achieved (via a combination of technological and psychic/mental means), then the 3rd-density cycle will be resumed upon planet Earth.
Prior to the "veil" experiment in 3rd density, there were no 3D "evacuations" after/during 4th-density graduation. There would naturally be 3rd- and 4th-density entities living alongside each other, just as with the earlier cycles—1st and 2nd and 3rd density co-existing together.
The removal or relocation of 3rd-grade repeaters, so to speak, only occurs during this post-veil scenario. Again, this is to preserve the "veil" of 3D entities and allow 4D entities to learn to "hide" themselves from lower-density detection.
Once 4D is sufficiently well-established (probably mid-way), the 3D cycle will be reinstated here on Earth. Only then... 4D entities will be capable of rendering themselves relatively "invisible" from 3D entities, thereby not endangering or compromising their "veil of forgetting."
Nothing to say on this part. Except that I didn't see it as an evacuation, just as that souls reincarnate in a space/time that resonate more with the lessons they need to learn. More about natural resonance than being about the experiment.
I agree with Ooo, while I do find your point about polarities very interesting and a great topic for my further pondering! 3D/4D transition is special, since it is in the middle, that's an important fact to note.
Although, why am I replying directly?, because I appeal to read carefully! anomaly is not equal to abnormality, words put in quotes like "evacuation" are to be taken with distance..etc etc.
I felt a need to ask to shine more empathetic light brothers and sisters. I feel that common understanding here might be distorted, while our common goal is to learn and advance all together
I do agree with what you've said. My main view was in the "we are the exploration of everything". As such there are infinite scenarios to unfold and be experimented with and I usually don't try to perceive a single way for things to work.
The "Calling it anormal is not very nice." had not ill-intent within it, altough I might not have pondered how that would come across.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - Dekalb_Blues - 07-31-2015
Aaah... excuse me-- Grim Reaper?
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... Yes?Yeah, hey, ¿qué pasa, baby? You got a minute? I know you're busy and all, what with the End Times and the Kali Yuga and what-not goin' on, but--
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Hit me with it, baby.... Cool. Say, man, uh, my name is on the list of the... you know... the upper 49%? *Nudge nudge, wink wink* -- he asks him knowingly! Ha ha!
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...Uh-oh.
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... And remember, you're Number One with me! It's time to say "good-bye!"
It's time to say "good-night!"
Whoever is the last one out
Will please turn out the light.
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Xtra added pix to edify & amuse:
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Meanwhile, realistically, in the real world, Harvest will take on the order of a full century more to complete (i.e., the time it will take for the STS folk to physically croak-off to the last self-serving man/woman/indeterminate -- while not being replaced incarnationally).
See, e.g., http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t09.htm in the context of http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t00.htm -- and good luck.
RE: Is the Harvest finally over? - KSaxon - 08-13-2015
Have any of you been following the interviews of Corey Goode regarding the Sphere Being Alliance, specifically the Blue Avians? This is more in the territory of "full disclosure", but as the message that was given to Corey Goode to give to "us" on planet Earth is completely Law of One (making David Wilcock, and others who are followers of the LOO philosophy believe that these beings are most likely the Ra group), I thought I'd mention it here. Especially as what their "mission" is so clearly about "harvesting" more positively vibrating people. Here's their message (taken from Corey Goode's web page spherebeingalliance.com):
"Every day focus on becoming more “Service To Others” oriented. Focus on being more “Loving” and “Focus on raising your Vibrational and Consciousness Level” and to learn to “Forgive Yourself and Others” (Thus “Releasing Karma”). This will change the Vibration of the Planet, The “Shared Consciousness of Humanity” and “Change Humanity One Person at a time” (Even if that “One Person” is yourself.). They say to treat your body as a temple and change over to a “Higher Vibrational Diet” to aid in the other changes. This sounds to many like a “Hippy Love and Peace” message that will not make a difference. I assure you the “Path” they lay out in “Their Message” is a difficult one. Even on the unlikely chance that these technologies stay “Suppressed”, imagine what a world we would live in if everyone made these changes to their selves?
"The Blue Avians also gave a warning with this “Message”. They had tried to deliver this message “Three Other Times” and it had been distorted by humanity. They made it “very clear” that this information was NOT to become a “Cult or Religious Movement” nor was I to put myself (my “ego”) before the “Message” or elevate myself to a “Guru” status. Anyone who does so should be avoided and held accountable, including myself."
Corey's facebook page is another great source of information pertaining to these recent contacts he's had, which you can access by scrolling to the bottom of his home page and clicking the "f" for facebook
)I've also been reading Diana Cooper & Tim Whild's new book: The Archangel Guide to Ascension. Believe me, they are all about AIDING folks to ascend (aka be harvested), so I don't think the harvest has happened, i think all these wonderfully enlightened folks are out there right now drawing us all to them to HELP us (if we want to be). Now, here's something VERY synchronistic: I listened to a radio program on Hay House Radio where Tim (who believes he is the reincarnation of Thoth the Atlantean) mentioned that in the Golden Age of Atlantis, the Law of One was the primary law of Atlantis. He also said that there's going to be a colossal shift in the frequencies on this planet in September (2015), and the way it's been described to him (I assume from his spirit guides) is the "return of the Law of One" (Can I just say, I hope that means that we FINALLY get DISCLOSURE!!!!) BTW Tim and Diana think that those of us who aren't star seeds or wanderers, or "new" souls just born after 2012, are actually reincarnated from Atlantis. Pretty cool idea.
Then I found this interesting link that talks about Edgar Cayce having had about 700 channels about the Golden Age of Atlantis, and that the Law of One was the law that was lived by there. This all seems to be dovetailing so beautifully. I am so happy I "chose" and was allowed to be here to see all this coming down! Here's the link about Edgar Cayce, the Law of One, and the Golden Age of Atlantis. (It's from another forum, but I found it on google search, so I hope it's okay to post here--it's not private information, clearly) http://lightgrid.ning.com/m/group/discussion?id=4024228%3ATopic%3A238967
Oh! And I recommend The Archangel Guide to Ascension book (and there's a wonderful audiobook that only has their "Visualizations to Assist You to the Light" on it. Makes it easier to do the meditations when it's guided.