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Did we create ourselves? - AnthroHeart - 05-17-2015
As Creator, did we create ourselves?
Because if so, that would be a paradox.
RE: Did we create ourselves? - Raz - 05-17-2015
Creator has always been
we do not so much create
as move our focus and meditate
you are creator meditating
RE: Did we create ourselves? - anagogy - 05-17-2015
(05-17-2015, 04:56 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: As Creator, did we create ourselves?
Because if so, that would be a paradox.
Your real "self" is awareness, or beingness, or "spirit". I call it a "self" but that word implies identification or ego, which also implies an "inner" and an "outer". So it is your "self" in the sense that it is the ground or foundation of what you are, but it is not a state of willful identification with some form be it subtle or gross.
So it is not a "self" as such, but it is the unblinking eye that gives life and existence to all things. This is infinity.
Then infinity becomes Self Aware. It says, "what am I?". The second it turns its infinite attention to the idea of "self", a self is created, complete with the inner/outer dichotomy that is present in all selves. The part that is "self aware" is the "Logos". That is the focusing of infinity as a conscious or self aware principle.
So it isn't a "paradox" as such, just a simple reflexive refraction of the infinite light of beingness. Whatever the creator affirms becomes absolute reality. So when it asks "what am I", it creates the appearance of a "self" with the reflexive illusion of mind (which is just inner projection) and matter (which is just outer projection) being created in that same moment of primal focus.
RE: Did we create ourselves? - APeacefulWarrior - 05-18-2015
I personally tend to think the Creator has been on a voyage of personal evolution that's largely paralleled the development of the cosmos. I believe he started out as something like a singularity, a ball of pure potential that could be described as absolute chaos in the entropic sense. That is, there were no patterns in the noise, just a sort of everythingness-at-once that was, therefore, also a nothingness because there was no distinction or differentiation between anything.
The simple invention of something that is This-but-NOT-That would have been the first primal distortion, as I see it. That would have been the first 1D construct. And from there, the Creator would have slowly and painstakingly evolved its sub-forms through the 1D and 2D phases so they could start developing the free will and self-awareness necessary for the grander plans of creation to come to fruition.
Of course, this is totally speculative, and the wildcard here is the question of "What's beyond the Octave?" Ra made it clear on a couple occasions that there are realms of existence beyond what we think of as infinity, and beings that are to Ra what Ra is to us, helping 6D and 7D entities make further transitions. (As well as regulating the Harvests.) So it's also possible that our Creator was, himself, "uplifted" by other Creators and\or higher powers out there and aided in making those first distortions that allowed our creation to start becoming internally coherent.
RE: Did we create ourselves? - Indigo Light - 05-18-2015
(05-18-2015, 03:48 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: I personally tend to think the Creator has been on a voyage of personal evolution that's largely paralleled the development of the cosmos. I believe he started out as something like a singularity, a ball of pure potential that could be described as absolute chaos in the entropic sense. That is, there were no patterns in the noise, just a sort of everythingness-at-once that was, therefore, also a nothingness because there was no distinction or differentiation between anything.
The simple invention of something that is This-but-NOT-That would have been the first primal distortion, as I see it. That would have been the first 1D construct. And from there, the Creator would have slowly and painstakingly evolved its sub-forms through the 1D and 2D phases so they could start developing the free will and self-awareness necessary for the grander plans of creation to come to fruition.
Of course, this is totally speculative, and the wildcard here is the question of "What's beyond the Octave?" Ra made it clear on a couple occasions that there are realms of existence beyond what we think of as infinity, and beings that are to Ra what Ra is to us, helping 6D and 7D entities make further transitions. (As well as regulating the Harvests.) So it's also possible that our Creator was, himself, "uplifted" by other Creators and\or higher powers out there and aided in making those first distortions that allowed our creation to start becoming internally coherent.
Yea it statements, like the above, that make you truly do the ponder look. (scratches head mhmm.)
Its crazy. Nice statements is all, I have to say. I like the concept of the one at the "beginning." I to believe it to be something like that.
RE: Did we create ourselves? - Indigo Light - 05-18-2015
(05-17-2015, 04:56 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: As Creator, did we create ourselves?
Because if so, that would be a paradox.
There are no paradoxes. They only reside/exist in ones perception of what is.
RE: Did we create ourselves? - Aion - 05-18-2015
As Ra says, the Creator experiences itself. It did not need to create itself for it is All That Is.