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Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Shemaya - 03-17-2015
Hot topic!
I could not get into the 50 shades of grey bandwagon. Just the thought of reading the book or watching the movie made me feel a little sick. Our society has a a history of sexual expression that is often devoid of love, care and heart. Now that we are entering 4D, we can look forward to a 4d expression of sexuality. I think it is going to be amazing!!!
I think we can leave behind criminal (non-consensual) and dominating sexual expressions, gender inequality, hyper-sexualization of women esp. young girls, hyper-sexualization of men, machismo,competitive sexual expression, submissive sexual expression, using sex to hold power over another.
What do you think? How will things change as we move forward to 4D?
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - AnthroHeart - 03-17-2015
I think more people will walk around naked as is nature.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Shemaya - 03-17-2015
I agree GW. I think people will be more comfortable in their bodies, the shame that holds us bound will have been released, so we won't feel so weird about our body. We will love our body and recognize that it is just an expression and a vehicle of who we truly are.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Diana - 03-17-2015
I have a few things to say on this subject.
First, my sister sent me all 3 of those books (Fifty Shades of Grey) as a gift. She was one of the millions who were in love with them. So I read (mostly scanned) them as a service to her. The writing was so bad I wanted to hurl the first book against the wall on the second page. I am not exaggerating. They were so horrendously sophomoric and horribly written I actually wrote my first review on Amazon to say so.
I don't watch TV so I know nothing about the movie. But I scanned or skipped over the sex scenes in the book because they were so uninteresting and badly written—especially from the point of view of a writer, which I am.
Let me preclude by saying that I don't advocate nor am I involved in BDSM. This is not to say I am inferring it is bad or wrong, or that I am judging it. I just don't resonate with it.
Now to something I think it would be efficacious to share. I have a very good friend who has been into the BDSM lifestyle for many years. She has talked to me about it and dispelled some of the myths. She also wrote a book about it which I edited. So I learned a lot about the "real thing." I only know what she has related to me, and I know her to be a person with integrity and love. In fact, her purpose in writing the book is to "create a paradigm shift in relationships."
The first thing my friend claims is that BDSM relationships are built on trust. That the level of intimacy reached can be much deeper than what is generally seen in "vanilla" relationships, and that honesty with each other is crucial. Also, they only include sex if it's what is agreed on. Apparently there are many BDSM relationships that have no sexual content. Abuse and control are not the point. There is no abuse because the participants agree to whatever they are doing and can stop the scene or activity anytime.
Furthermore, she says that BDSM is about the desire to serve. Whether you are the Dom/Domme or the sub, you are serving the partner.
This is not to say that, as in anything humans do, there are not those who abuse the guidelines or principals.
It is unfortunate that the woman who wrote those insanely popular books wrote pure junk, and that they do not reflect the underlying ideals and purposes of the BDSM culture. Nor do they add anything the literary world but dumbing down.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Jade - 03-17-2015
To be fair, what we see today as "50 Shades of Gray" began as a Twilight (yes, the Mormon vampires) fanfiction/erotica. It was wildly popular amongst Twilight fans so it got mainstream attention. Before a big publishing deal occurred, however, they had to change the copyrighted title characters from "Sexy teen vampires" to "Sexy billionaire and young girl next door sub". The rest of it was hyping a cash cow with the side-effects of giving children a perverse yet "socially acceptable" idea of sex, and aggrandizing the wealthy elite. It's just such a comical caricature at this point.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Bluebell - 03-17-2015
i think as u gain different views as a part of a social memory complex u might change ur mind about BDSM. it can be amazing when truly loving. loving BDSM is about the dom taking care of the sub, & the sub giving everything to the dom. it's healing because it fills a need in both sides, bringing balance. for example a parent losing a child in a previous life might have a need to take care, nurture & control. another soul might have been an orphan. meeting another w opposite need & forming a mutually beneficial relationship is wonderful.
the one who has true control is the sub. the sub willingly gives everything heart&soul to their dom because there's trust. this allows the fall, allowing complete trust, love & acceptance of everything the dom decides. but the dom does everything FOR the sub. sometimes it's unpleasant but it's beneficial & loving. like a parent disciplining a child. the dom is honored by the trust & does their best to respect it & serve the needs of the sub.
the safeword makes it safe for both.
this is a beautiful path the creator has dreamed into existence. if u haven't truly experienced it from either side u can't judge it. also, as a self-identified sub i'd appreciate that 50 shades of *LOL* not be used as ammo against true BDSM.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Shemaya - 03-17-2015
I have to admit I know absolutely nothing about the practice of BDSM. I guess what I was thinking in my OP was sex that is fear based, non-consensually dominating, or submissive where there is no sense of trust; ie. sex without love. What is being described sounds to me like role playing to act out or heal imbalances or for fun. It sounds like it is based on care and trust which is heart-based, imo.
I wonder is it will continue to be practiced as we get further into 4D as the imbalances are healed and cleared?
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - AnthroHeart - 03-17-2015
Ra talks about desire to control and desire to be controlled. I'm think that's a main part of BDSM.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Bluebell - 03-17-2015
(03-17-2015, 02:26 PM)Shemaya Wrote: I have to admit I know absolutely nothing about the practice of BDSM. I guess what I was thinking in my OP was sex that is fear based, non-consensually dominating, or submissive where there is no sense of trust; ie. sex without love. What is being described sounds to me like role playing to act out or heal imbalances or for fun. It sounds like it is based on care and trust which is heart-based, imo.
I wonder is it will continue to be practiced as we get further into 4D as the imbalances are healed and cleared?
hopefully people will heal but i think it's great fun indeed. it might just continue for enjoyment instead of need. just like words r used for their eloquence after telepathic communication has become the norm.
make no mistake though, i'm not talking about pink fuzzy handcuffs. even loving heart-based BDSM contains serious submission & commitment, sometimes pain. if u don't get it, that's fine. u don't have to participate. but it is as valid as anything. we can only guess wut continues into 4D.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - AnthroHeart - 03-17-2015
That reminds me of a dream I had where there was a blue chamber that had a label that said "How do you experience pain?" It made me afraid cause it was a freaky chamber.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - isis - 03-18-2015
Great contributions, Bluepill!
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - AngelofDeath - 03-18-2015
(03-17-2015, 02:15 PM)Bluebell Wrote: i think as u gain different views as a part of a social memory complex u might change ur mind about BDSM. it can be amazing when truly loving. loving BDSM is about the dom taking care of the sub, & the sub giving everything to the dom. it's healing because it fills a need in both sides, bringing balance. for example a parent losing a child in a previous life might have a need to take care, nurture & control. another soul might have been an orphan. meeting another w opposite need & forming a mutually beneficial relationship is wonderful.
the one who has true control is the sub. the sub willingly gives everything heart&soul to their dom because there's trust. this allows the fall, allowing complete trust, love & acceptance of everything the dom decides. but the dom does everything FOR the sub. sometimes it's unpleasant but it's beneficial & loving. like a parent disciplining a child. the dom is honored by the trust & does their best to respect it & serve the needs of the sub.
the safeword makes it safe for both.
this is a beautiful path the creator has dreamed into existence. if u haven't truly experienced it from either side u can't judge it. also, as a self-identified sub i'd appreciate that 50 shades of *LOL* not be used as ammo against true BDSM.
Necessary co-dependence at its finest.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - AngelofDeath - 03-18-2015
(03-17-2015, 01:22 PM)Shemaya Wrote: Hot topic!
I could not get into the 50 shades of grey bandwagon. Just the thought of reading the book or watching the movie made me feel a little sick. Our society has a a history of sexual expression that is often devoid of love, care and heart. Now that we are entering 4D, we can look forward to a 4d expression of sexuality. I think it is going to be amazing!!!
I think we can leave behind criminal (non-consensual) and dominating sexual expressions, gender inequality, hyper-sexualization of women esp. young girls, hyper-sexualization of men, machismo,competitive sexual expression, submissive sexual expression, using sex to hold power over another.
What do you think? How will things change as we move forward to 4D?
I think sex is a pop culture topic and so is highly liable to be taken to extremes due to the intense social constructions which appear around it.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Ankh - 03-18-2015
I'm with Wolf here, when he says that he thinks that main part of BDSM is about desire to control and desire to be controlled, which, Ra said, shuts down the green ray. In my youth, I looked at some soft movies with this theme, because I was curious, but I never got into it. For me, the sexual union, *has* to be of absolute love. Within this, the exploration of each other's bodies can take place. But as I said, it has to rest of the firm ground of green ray, on desire to serve, not control.
On the other hand, as Diana mentioned here, there might be instances where relationships of BDSM couples are grounded in the desire to serve, instead of control, and that is when we perhaps arrive in the grey zone, and perhaps that is when and where our confused society is exploring those fifty shades of grey.
With this being said, I never read the books nor saw the movie. I, in some sort of odd way, even fear of reading or watching them, as I am afraid that it farks me up for some time, which some movies or books have done in the past. I remember for instance how a book called "American Psycho" farked me up for a long, long time. I still think about what I read in that book sometimes, and feel traumatized.
To go back to OT, the fifty shades of green... Awww! How much I welcome it! Sometimes I feel very tired of this veil, and confusion, and all those shades of grey, but thinking about all the fifty (gazillions!) shades of green makes me to feel better.
But there ARE good stuffs and joys in 3D! It's just not always so easy to be there all the time, to interpret all the stuff in positive way. But for those who try, there are many jewels and treasures to be discovered and experienced, imho.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Shemaya - 03-18-2015
Gazillions of shades of green! Love it
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Ankh - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 07:11 AM)Shemaya Wrote: Gazillions of shades of green! Love it
Maybe we should write a book about it, or make a movie?!
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - AngelofDeath - 03-18-2015
I also like the shades of brown that come with spring as the Earth is enriched by the nourishment of the winter being digested and warmed by the sun of the spring.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Shemaya - 03-18-2015
Ah yes , and don't forget the tonal red and oranges of the tree buds that burst into the amazing chartreuse of the neo- leaves. And how they grow every day in size and also a deeper shade of green
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - AnthroHeart - 03-18-2015
I want to radiate intensely from my heart center, in green. For those of the world who need love and light.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Shemaya - 03-18-2015
Then do it!
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - AnthroHeart - 03-18-2015
(03-18-2015, 07:36 PM)Shemaya Wrote: Then do it!
Can I do that from my home, or is it better to go out and do something?
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Shemaya - 03-18-2015
You can do that anywhere. Just think loving thoughts and send them where needed
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Alexis - 03-19-2015
I haven't read the books, I only know second hand information. People are either in love with it or find it utter garbage.
From what I understand, there is a part where Mr grey has sex with the woman, despite her saying no? Isn't that rape? I get some people are into that sort of role-play. Outside of role playing this sort of thing just doesn't sit well with me but I guess that's just my personal experiences with rape.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Shemaya - 03-19-2015
(03-19-2015, 08:45 AM)Ma Wrote: I haven't read the books, I only know second hand information. People are either in love with it or find it utter garbage.
From what I understand, there is a part where Mr grey has sex with the woman, despite her saying no? Isn't that rape? I get some people are into that sort of role-play. Outside of role playing this sort of thing just doesn't sit well with me but I guess that's just my personal experiences with rape.
It doesn't sit well with me either. I don't think it is just your experience, rape is truly a display of power over someone, violation, and domination. That's why in all the wars, the conquerors kill the men, take the women and children and rape and abuse them. Rape has been a tool of the dominators of the planet to maintain control by twisting and perverting the energies of the red and orange rays, causing collective disempowerment.
As we individually and collectively heal from the generations of abuse, rape, domination and oppression, our red / orange energies will become clarified and crystallized like pure red jasper and Orange-red carnelian. We can look forward to beautiful and sacred expressions in our sexuality. Children will be conceived in high consciousness with joy and love, and these crystal children are our future.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - AnthroHeart - 03-19-2015
If you want it (dominance), it's not rape then is it?
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Shemaya - 03-19-2015
When it concerns BDSM, I would think it is not rape because that involves consensual activities. But there is a fine line probably, and many shades of grey, and those activities possibly could lead to acts of abuse depending on the individuals involved and their levels of awareness.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - AnthroHeart - 03-19-2015
What if at that moment you're just not in the mood, but could then be turned on? Could it start as rape and then turn consensual?
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - isis - 03-19-2015
(03-19-2015, 10:43 AM)Shemaya Wrote:(03-19-2015, 08:45 AM)Ma Wrote: I haven't read the books, I only know second hand information. People are either in love with it or find it utter garbage.
From what I understand, there is a part where Mr grey has sex with the woman, despite her saying no? Isn't that rape? I get some people are into that sort of role-play. Outside of role playing this sort of thing just doesn't sit well with me but I guess that's just my personal experiences with rape.
It doesn't sit well with me either. I don't think it is just your experience, rape is truly a display of power over someone, violation, and domination. That's why in all the wars, the conquerors kill the men, take the women and children and rape and abuse them. Rape has been a tool of the dominators of the planet to maintain control by twisting and perverting the energies of the red and orange rays, causing collective disempowerment.
As we individually and collectively heal from the generations of abuse, rape, domination and oppression, our red / orange energies will become clarified and crystallized like pure red jasper and Orange-red carnelian. We can look forward to beautiful and sacred expressions in our sexuality. Children will be conceived in high consciousness with joy and love, and these crystal children are our future.
At least humans aren't the only animals in the animal kingdom doing it. Bottlenosed dolphins corner & gangbang females...& I think I also read they'll prevent the female from getting sleep & food til she lets them have their way with her.
*Violent* forced copulation can also be observed in many species of insects & birds. I think it's nice to know that, in some cases, the female can actually be into what's happening to them...& considering how popular 50 shades of grey has become I conclude it's more common than I previously thought.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - Shemaya - 03-19-2015
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What if at that moment you're just not in the mood, but could then be turned on? Could it start as rape and then turn consensual?
That could probably happen.
I would aim for a higher level of consciousness though, and choose your friends more wisely. Personally, I would really avoid partners who are not fully considerate of my boundaries and desires, and lovingly respectful of those.
Someone who starts to force you to do something that you don't want is not a good partner I think, that person is not operating in that moment from a heart- based understanding.
RE: Looking forward to 50 shades of green - AnthroHeart - 03-19-2015
I don't like rough sex, so as long as it's gentle, I don't think my partner could rape me.
Rape is never gentle is it?