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About Evangelism - Shemaya - 11-08-2014
Throughout my life, I have encountered the energy of "evangelism", and it's been a catalyst for expansion of consciousness and spiritual growth. I found this passage recently, and it was confirming for me. It brings some understanding of why I experience "evangelism"(ie. the practice of relaying information about a particular set of beliefs to others with the intention of conversion) of whatever sort, religious, political, etc. as blocked energy.
Quote:73.12 ▶ Questioner: I would then assume that the many so-called evangelists which we have in our society at present, many have great desire and very great will, and possibly great polarity. It seems to me that in some cases that there is a lack of information or awareness that creates a less than effective working in the magical sense. Am I correct in this analysis?
Ra: I am Ra. You are partially correct. In examining the polarity of a service-to-others working the free will must be seen as paramount. Those entities of which you speak are attempting to generate positive changes in consciousness while abridging free will. This causes the blockage of the magical nature of the working except in those cases wherein an entity freely desires to accept the working of the evangelist, as you have called it
Ra says that when we operate from this frequency of evangelizing, the magical nature of consciousness expansion is blocked. That this mode (evangelism) of acting to create change in consciousness abridges free will, thus blocking the " magic".
I certainly have experience from both sides of the evangelism coin. Having experienced my own rapid spiritual awakening and expansion, and wanting others to share my perspectives and awareness, I have shared with others who might not want to hear what I have to say, in a way, "evangelizing". On the other hand, I have always been uncomfortable with religious evangelizing (and other), which is interesting given that I am surrounded in my life by people who consider themselves evangelical.
I have a great desire to see a massive transformation of society to 4D, and also want the magic to flow rather than be blocked.
Ra elucidates the example of Jesus and his ability to facilitate healing further in the passage. When he says , "Your faith has healed you," he has empowered the receiver, and fully engaged their free will. Christ's message was always one of empowerment and love.
I am interested to hear other's thoughts on this.
RE: About Evangelism - Nicholas - 11-08-2014
Well from an unconscious viewpoint evangelism is "arrogant and rude". An unemotional expression, expressed by Ra is the "abridging of free will"
I found the Ra material in my own way and in my own time, thus it is reasonable to assume that others will find their way (or not) using the same process?
I must express an important point here that the more an idea was 'imposed' (evangelically) upon me when I was young, the more I would reject it.
So from personal experience at least, I hold 'evangelists' in the same light as law enforcement officers.
RE: About Evangelism - AnthroHeart - 11-08-2014
The leader of my previous church was called the lead evangelist.
He's the one that told me "you better beg God for forgiveness."
They asked us to go "sharing our faith" door to door. Or out at college on campus.
It always made me nervous, but they sort of made us do it.
I don't usually answer the door if there are Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on it.
RE: About Evangelism - Shemaya - 11-09-2014
Yes, nio, , when feeling imposed on, there can definitely be a push away and reject response. And yet the evangelist may think they are not abridging free will, because the person is free to leave, to not respond, to ignore. So it is a bit curious, given the available choice to reject, why Ra views it as an abridgment of free will.
Hey Wolf, I think the leading evangelist was wrong, we don't have to beg God for forgiveness, imo. I think we are totally accepted by God, it's up to us to polarize and walk in alignment, I think.
I am with you, I was never comfortable with evangelizing others with my church groups.
RE: About Evangelism - βαθμιαίος - 11-09-2014
(11-09-2014, 09:49 AM)Shemaya Wrote: So it is a bit curious, given the available choice to reject, why Ra views it as an abridgment of free will.
Hi Shemaya,
Interesting question. I have always associated that quote with faith healing by evangelists. Re-reading it now, I see that that's not necessarily the only thing Ra is referring to. However, in the context of healing, I have linked it in my memory with this quote:
Quote:66.5 ...We may note that there are some who use the yellow-ray configuration to transfer energy and this may be done but the effects are questionable and, with regard to the relationship between the healer, the healing energy, and the seeker, questionable due to the propensity for the seeker to continue requiring such energy transfers without any true healing taking place in the absence of the healer due to the lack of penetration of the armoring shell of which you spoke.
I'm not sure if this connection is implicit in what Ra was saying or if I just conflated the ideas in my memory...
RE: About Evangelism - Shemaya - 11-09-2014
(11-09-2014, 11:43 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Interesting question. I have always associated that quote with faith healing by evangelists. Re-reading it now, I see that that's not necessarily the only thing Ra is referring to. However, in the context of healing, I have linked it in my memory with this quote:
Quote:66.5 ...We may note that there are some who use the yellow-ray configuration to transfer energy and this may be done but the effects are questionable and, with regard to the relationship between the healer, the healing energy, and the seeker, questionable due to the propensity for the seeker to continue requiring such energy transfers without any true healing taking place in the absence of the healer due to the lack of penetration of the armoring shell of which you spoke.
I'm not sure if this connection is implicit in what Ra was saying or if I just conflated the ideas in my memory...
Hi βαθμιαίος,
I didn't get that association, I think because I read it out of context. I can see how you would relate to healing because of the subsequent questions about Jesus and healing.
I brought it up because on my path, " evangelism" has been a really good catalyst for me. Specifically with regards to the forum, I have been working out my experience in the various "food" threads. The strong desire and will for social changes, coupled with a respect for free will, would lead to a different approach to foster changes in order to increase the magical nature of those changes in consciousness, imo.
With regards to healing, I have definitely seen that occur in my energy work, using Reiki. People react and respond quite differently to the work and it is related , proportionally it seems, to their faith, belief, and openness. And in order for any true healing to occur, the underlying energies have to be straightened out, in order to proceed to a higher level of order.
RE: About Evangelism - Stranger - 11-09-2014
(11-09-2014, 09:49 AM)Shemaya Wrote: So it is a bit curious, given the available choice to reject, why Ra views it as an abridgment of free will.
My interpretation is that the evangelist's desire is not to offer, but rather to force a conversion, or perhaps better phrased, to overcome resistance to make it happen. That changes the energy tone of the interaction from one of offering or sharing to one of control and imposition. The conflict between the STO message and STS means makes the interaction ineffective in achieving its intended result.
RE: About Evangelism - native - 11-09-2014
Yes Stranger, I think that's the issue here. Several times Ra mentioned that when offering service, to heal one must be detached from outcome. What seems to be happening is that orange or yellow energy of power blocks higher energy from coming into being if one's main motivation is converting the other to your opinion.
Regarding Jesus.. "It offered itself as teacher to those mind/body/spirit complexes which gathered to hear and even then spoke as through a veil so as to leave room for those not wishing to hear." "What is the purpose of teach/learning if there be no learn/teachers? Those drawn to this entity were accepted by this entity without regard for any outcome. This entity accepted the honor/duty placed upon it by its nature and its sense that to speak was its mission."
Understanding free-will is an essential topic if we are to move beyond working with the typical approach to consciousness, and create a new realm of experience..it's the heart of healing. I'm always trying to understand it..good topic Shemaya.
RE: About Evangelism - Shemaya - 11-09-2014
(11-09-2014, 02:48 PM)Stranger Wrote:(11-09-2014, 09:49 AM)Shemaya Wrote: So it is a bit curious, given the available choice to reject, why Ra views it as an abridgment of free will.
My interpretation is that the evangelist's desire is not to offer, but rather to force a conversion, or perhaps better phrased, to overcome resistance to make it happen. That changes the energy tone of the interaction from one of offering or sharing to one of control and imposition. The conflict between the STO message and STS means makes the interaction ineffective in achieving its intended result.
Yes, that makes sense Stranger. It is a conflict for sure, the STO message with the STS means. Explains why my dearest hate when I speak about spiritual things and social justice issues. I am ready for a new approach for sure!
(11-09-2014, 03:19 PM)Icaro Wrote: Yes Stranger, I think that's the issue here. Several times Ra mentioned that when offering service, to heal one must be detached from outcome. What seems to be happening is that orange or yellow energy of power blocks higher energy from coming into being if one's main motivation is converting the other to your opinion.So how to skillfully unblock without using control and imposition, is there a way to do that? I guess mostly by example.
Quote:Regarding Jesus.. "It offered itself as teacher to those mind/body/spirit complexes which gathered to hear and even then spoke as through a veil so as to leave room for those not wishing to hear." "What is the purpose of teach/learning if there be no learn/teachers? Those drawn to this entity were accepted by this entity without regard for any outcome. This entity accepted the honor/duty placed upon it by its nature and its sense that to speak was its mission."
Understanding free-will is an essential topic if we are to move beyond working with the typical approach to consciousness, and create a new realm of experience..it's the heart of healing. I'm always trying to understand it..good topic Shemaya.
" without regard for any outcome" that is challenging to accept, we always want a manifestation of our efforts, a physical outcome. Trusting that the energy, consciousness and metaphysical aspects are changing and affected by our efforts, that's something to embrace I think.
Understanding free will when working to expand consciousness and awareness can be tough when the desire is very potent, there can be frustration and other emotions to balance in the process.
RE: About Evangelism - native - 11-09-2014
Other than leading by example, by letting others be themselves, you're symbolically creating space for their mind/spirit to be free, giving them room to seek. By being passive, that potential radiates energy/insight that may then picked up on by the other..at least that's how I think it works.
The other has to be open to receive, everything else is wasted energy and entropy, adding disharmony to the collective. 18.6 touches on how to approach others. The idea of man-made intelligence is interesting. I think they're basically referring to the idea of how we approach everything from the perspective of what is wrong must be corrected, rather than letting things flow naturally.
RE: About Evangelism - Shemaya - 11-09-2014
(11-09-2014, 05:40 PM)Icaro Wrote: The other has to be open to receive, everything else is wasted energy and entropy, adding disharmony to the collective. 18.6 touches on how to approach others. The idea of man-made intelligence is interesting. I think they're basically referring to the idea of how we approach everything from the perspective of what is wrong must be corrected, rather than letting things flow naturally.
synchronous! i just updated my signature the other day to that passage, but could only fit a small portion . How awesome is that, you referred to the passage I have been contemplating!Quote:Thus, you have two simple directives: awareness of the intelligent energy expressed in nature, awareness of the intelligent energy expressed in self to be shared, when it seems appropriate, by the entity with the social complex, and you have one infinitely subtle and various set of distortions of which you may be aware; that is, distortions with respect to self and other-selves not concerning free will but concerning harmonious relationships and service to others as other-selves would most benefit
The man- made intelligences ( referred earlier in the passage) I interpreted as our current society's norms, status quo, expectations, customs, religious beliefs. All the distortions that people accept collectively and create their lives accordingly. The ideas that form consensus reality. Whereas the natural intelligences are the blueprint or template of our potential as humans. Natural intelligences, I am thinking is the consciousness that directs the evolution and unfolding of creation.
Quote:Thus, what would be an improper distortion with one entity is proper with another
This I thought was interesting to think about. What Ra suggests is an approach that I have worked with in some situations. Approaching the other person from a place of understanding where he/ she is coming from, rather than imposing my views, beliefs, will onto them. Meeting the person right where he/ she is.
RE: About Evangelism - native - 11-09-2014
Very cool! Your definitions are good. Man-made intelligence is possibly best summed up as having expectations. In 17.18 Ra speaks about natural law. They basically sound like they're describing healing work..knowing/experiencing the self without distortion. It seems like they're describing tuning in to the energetic rhythm that the logos is expressing.
(11-09-2014, 05:57 PM)Shemaya Wrote: This I thought was interesting to think about. What Ra suggests is an approach that I have worked with in some situations. Approaching the other person from a place of understanding where he/ she is coming from, rather than imposing my views, beliefs, will onto them. Meeting the person right where he/ she is.
It makes sense doesn't it? What's worse, is I've found that by not taking such a thing into account, you can totally lead someone down an unnecessary path which leads to confusion, or you can interfere with necessary catalyst that actually allows for another to find their balance.
RE: About Evangelism - Plenum - 11-10-2014
(11-08-2014, 01:22 PM)Shemaya Wrote: I certainly have experience from both sides of the evangelism coin. Having experienced my own rapid spiritual awakening and expansion, and wanting others to share my perspectives and awareness, I have shared with others who might not want to hear what I have to say, in a way, "evangelizing". On the other hand, I have always been uncomfortable with religious evangelizing (and other), which is interesting given that I am surrounded in my life by people who consider themselves evangelical.
I think the essence of evangelism is the sense that there is only one valid viewpoint. This is very much driven by an ego-centric viewpoint (a 'yellow ray' attitude), and hence the tie-in to the yellow ray energies that Ra mentioned.
Green ray energies/healing involve a reconfiguration of the self in the space of someone who is unconditionally accepting (both of the diseased state as well as the healed state), and so offers the possibility of the other self to transition to a different state, if that is what they themselves are wishing.
An evangelist is only willing to accept one outcome ('theirs'), and so can't tap into this space.
The issue of society, growth, and evolution can only occur through some form of consensus, usually through the means of education and demonstrating a different way through one's own example. You can pass all the positive laws you want, but unless people 'want' to buy into it, and believe in it, they'll just undermine it with their actual lived practice. I think an example of this came with one of the Pharoahs who was in contact with Ra, and tried to mould society from the top-down. As soon as he passed away. the priests reverted to their own selfish behaviour, and nothing had changed on a deep level.
Instead of thinking of one person needing to change the fate of millions, I find it much easier to think of one person changing the space of all the people he/she comes into contact with on a daily basis. Friends, family, workmates. Your personal sphere of influence, and setting an example through your own choices and words. It doesn't *have* to lead to an outcome, as someone else mentioned, but, rather, it's providing the catalyst/challenge of doing it a 'different way'.
One example from my own life that I've referenced maybe once or twice is the case of me going part time at my workplace. Of course, my company had to be at least partially open to the idea in the first place, but when I first started, there were no part-time people doing my particular shift/work. After two years of full time, and feeling a little run down and stressed, I asked to go to 4 days. This was granted, and it sort of served like a beach-head (in my mind) for other folks. Because in the years following, more and more opportunities opened up for others to work reduced hours as well.
The way you choose to live your life becomes an 'example' through which others can possibly draw upon, when they come to their own decisions. If that person can do it - why can't I?
There is nothing more powerful than a living example of something you would like to become.
RE: About Evangelism - Shemaya - 11-11-2014
(11-10-2014, 02:27 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: I think the essence of evangelism is the sense that there is only one valid viewpoint. This is very much driven by an ego-centric viewpoint (a 'yellow ray' attitude), and hence the tie-in to the yellow ray energies that Ra mentioned.
Green ray energies/healing involve a reconfiguration of the self in the space of someone who is unconditionally accepting (both of the diseased state as well as the healed state), and so offers the possibility of the other self to transition to a different state, if that is what they themselves are wishing.
An evangelist is only willing to accept one outcome ('theirs'), and so can't tap into this space.
Great insight Plenum! an ego-centric, yellow ray POV ( I would add dualistic, us/them POV as well) is someone only willing to accept one outcome, seeing the situation in a stark black and white color. Unwilling to see the nuances of tone , color and energy that might be considered....which would lead one to understanding and unconditional acceptance. I really like your point about seeing both the diseased and healed state with love and acceptance. I have struggled with self-acceptance, being unable to accept my humanness, or "lack'' of perfection/divinity and also the acceptance of others where I perceive fault.
(11-10-2014, 02:27 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: The issue of society, growth, and evolution can only occur through some form of consensus, usually through the means of education and demonstrating a different way through one's own example. You can pass all the positive laws you want, but unless people 'want' to buy into it, and believe in it, they'll just undermine it with their actual lived practice. I think an example of this came with one of the Pharoahs who was in contact with Ra, and tried to mould society from the top-down. As soon as he passed away. the priests reverted to their own selfish behaviour, and nothing had changed on a deep level.
Especially when it comes to ethics, religion, morality. For example, laws that would ban abortion in our society are very misguided, imo, in this sense for a host of reasons that I don't want to debate at the moment.
(11-10-2014, 02:27 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: Instead of thinking of one person needing to change the fate of millions, I find it much easier to think of one person changing the space of all the people he/she comes into contact with on a daily basis. Friends, family, workmates. Your personal sphere of influence, and setting an example through your own choices and words. It doesn't *have* to lead to an outcome, as someone else mentioned, but, rather, it's providing the catalyst/challenge of doing it a 'different way'.
It can be a challenge for me in my personal sphere, there is a great amount of resistance to the type of changes I dream of in society. I am encouraged by Ra's explanation of being a "radiator". Continuing to do the inner consciousness work so that I am clearer and a clearer channel for the light, and embracing that the work in consciousness is valuable.
I agree though, we definitely have a sphere of influence, and those closest to us are who we influence the most, for most people.
(11-10-2014, 02:27 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: Because in the years following, more and more opportunities opened up for others to work reduced hours as well.
The way you choose to live your life becomes an 'example' through which others can possibly draw upon, when they come to their own decisions. If that person can do it - why can't I?
There is nothing more powerful than a living example of something you would like to become.
That is cool, nice to have an accommodating employer. And great for you, you were given the time to strengthen your mind/body /spirit!!
(11-09-2014, 09:23 PM)Icaro Wrote: Very cool! Your definitions are good. Man-made intelligence is possibly best summed up as having expectations. In 17.18 Ra speaks about natural law. They basically sound like they're describing healing work..knowing/experiencing the self without distortion. It seems like they're describing tuning in to the energetic rhythm that the logos is expressing.
Here is the passage. I like your phrase "tuning into the energetic rhythm that the Logos is expressing" Is that what you think Ra means when referring to Natural Law?
Quote:17.18 Questioner: Then if the entity Jesus was fourth density and there are Wanderers on the planet today who came from fifth and sixth density, what was it that Jesus did that enabled him to be such a good healer and could these fifth- and sixth-density beings here today do the same?
Ra: I am Ra. Those who heal may be of any density which has the consciousness of the spirit. This includes third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh. The third density can be one in which healing takes place just as the others. However, there is more illusory material to understand, to balance, to accept, and to move forward from.
The gate to intelligent infinity can only be opened when an understanding of the instreamings of intelligent energy are opened unto the healer. These are the so-called Natural Laws of your local space/time continuum and its web of electromagnetic sources or nexi of instreaming energy.
Know then, first, the mind and the body. Then as the spirit is integrated and synthesized, those are harmonized into a mind/body/spirit complex which can move among the dimensions and which can open the gateway to intelligent infinity, thus healing self by light and sharing that light with others.
True healing is simply the radiance of the self causing an environment in which a catalyst may occur which initiates the recognition of self, by self, of the self-healing properties of the self
RE: About Evangelism - native - 11-11-2014
I think it's a large part of it, since they seem to be stating that natural law involves knowing the mind, body, and spirit. Each logos creates a vibrational pattern of experience, which we distort through our perceptions. By seeing things for what they are, you're experiencing the original thought. Not much difference from what you said regarding natural intelligences..the laws regarding the evolution of consciousness. Natural law could also be a reference towards the teachings that the Earth seems to be offering and the things you mentioned, which indigenous tribes pick up on. I made a thread on the topic.
Sharing light..it's an interesting phrase.
"54.8 This statement, though correct, bears great potential for being misunderstood. The precision with which each energy center matches the Original Thought lies not in the systematic placement of each energy nexus but rather in the fluid and plastic placement of the balanced blending of these energy centers in such a way that intelligent energy is able to channel itself with minimal distortion.
The mind/body/spirit complex is not a machine. It is rather what you might call a tone poem."