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RE: Acceptance and Will - Confused - 05-10-2011 (05-10-2011, 04:24 AM)Spectrum Wrote: Ooooh no I doubt it. I catch myself with STS thoughts constantly Tongue It has actually been quite an uncomfortable realization for me. What do you characterize as STS thoughts, Spectrum? RE: Acceptance and Will - Spectrum - 05-10-2011 Anything where 'I' will be the beneficiary, as opposed to someone else. RE: Acceptance and Will - Confused - 05-10-2011 (05-10-2011, 05:04 AM)Spectrum Wrote: Anything where 'I' will be the beneficiary, as opposed to someone else. Hmmm....is that that much a completely zero-sum game? Don't you have to benefit as well? :-/ RE: Acceptance and Will - Spectrum - 05-10-2011 You are right, Ra talks about how one must value oneself. I guess my struggle in life situations often has to do with internal consideration vs. external consideration. RE: Acceptance and Will - Confused - 05-10-2011 (05-10-2011, 05:43 AM)Spectrum Wrote: You are right, Ra talks about how one must value oneself. I guess my struggle in life situations is often has to do with internal consideration vs. external consideration. Spectrum, I am absolutely no one to tell you this; but yet let me go on a limb and state it. On the STO path, neglect of the needs of the personal self can lead to disaster at many levels. It is not with out reason that the percentage levels are set at 51:49 for STO graduation, in my thinking. And Ra said achievement of that in itself was equivalent to 95:5 of the STS path. Think about it, Spectrum. Just a personal thought. The quest to project maximal purity can often result in even worse distortions in my opinion. Of course, it is only personal opinion that can be extremely false. RE: Acceptance and Will - Spectrum - 05-10-2011 Wow Confused, you definitely got me seriously thinking about this. When I read the percentages bit in Ra, I thought it's because we are naturally so very STS, that it’s 51% so it can at least be within the reach of some. I never really considered that it's such a 50/50 thing, because valuing the self, is almost equally as important as valuing others. And now that I think of the Ra material, valuing the self is something that enjoys a lot of attention. Thank you, Confused. You really changed my perspective on this. RE: Acceptance and Will - Confused - 05-10-2011 (05-10-2011, 06:08 AM)Spectrum Wrote: Wow Confused, you definitely got me seriously thinking about this. When I read the percentages bit in Ra, I thought it's because we are naturally so very STS, that it’s 51% so it can at least be within the reach of some. I never really considered that it's such a 50/50 thing, because valuing the self, is almost equally as important as valuing others. And now that I think of the Ra material, valuing the self is something that enjoys a lot of attention. Regarding the STO numbers being so due to us being naturally STS, I think that could be slightly dicey. From what I could deduce from the words of Ra, the requirements for harvest across infinite creation, where ever STO/STS duality operates, seems to be the same. Venusian Ra were much much more harmonious than us, but the same percentages applied (I think). As Ra said in 89.45 -- "Firstly, the requirements of harvest are set." And please consider the following as well, Spectrum -- Quote:17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult to attain harvestability upon than the positive? Is that not a powerful statement? ![]() Thank you for your kind words, Spectrum. It was very nice of you to give me compliments. Thank you. RE: Acceptance and Will - Spectrum - 05-10-2011 No, thank 'you' ![]() RE: Acceptance and Will - native - 05-10-2011 Thanks for the link Spectrum, I will watch it tonight. Achieving the delicate balance seems to be quite a feat. In terms of the 50/50 concept being hard to achieve..I'd say it is because of our self serving nature. There isn't so much a balance of making sure to love the self at play in 3d. Because don't forget about The Choice concept. One must be fully committed to a path to be harvested. 3DM pointed that out and I realized that if someone considers themselves to be a 3d native, they make take loving the self to be a reason to indulge the self and always weigh every action/thought. A positively polarized person doesn't weigh each step. Their frame of mind is always from the perspective of serving others, while being true to themselves and act in loving the self when it's called for. Loving the self in a positive way is obviously necessary, but I don't think it's viewed as evening every action out on the 50/50 scale. RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 05-10-2011 I'm wondering which causes polarization- action or thought. I lean toward thought because it is conscious application in thought that transforms the mind. Then there is the Body's application of action that transforms the body. Then there is spiritual transformation. Again, it all begins with the mind/conscious. I don't know if it would be prudent to break down the colors into sto and sts. (there will be those who want to remind us of polarity and non-polarity). Perhaps we should open seven threads, each titled one specific energy ray. The mind must certainly abandon one direction of thinking (sts) in order to embrace the other (sto) way. I think we do this with conscious application, but I'm not certain. Certain energy blockages prevent us from loving ourselves, which prevents us from receiving love from others, this it turn becomes sts in nature because blocks the other from serving sto. I believe we, as a social complex, are working with this concept in real time at this moment. We are each expressing our own confusion on the matter. I think, on our way to social memory complex, we must begin to open ourselves to be loved by an other, and to not limit or reject the love that is readily available to us. In a sense, allowing others in to love us is a service to them, and we can see where this can go exponentially. I speak with desire and not so much with conviction. If anyone agrees with me, could this be a major hurdle to jump past the unsuccessful 50% marker? RE: Acceptance and Will - native - 05-10-2011 (05-10-2011, 01:56 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Certain energy blockages prevent us from loving ourselves, which prevents us from receiving love from others, this it turn becomes sts in nature because blocks the other from serving sto. I think this is part of it, but I also think people just haven't placed the value of others over themselves yet. They have too much self love. It is a mix of both I'm sure. When people are hurt or feel unloved, many will seek out happiness through satisfying their own desires only. Your whole train of thought in the above is good. I'd write more but off to work again ![]() RE: Acceptance and Will - kycahi - 05-10-2011 (05-10-2011, 01:56 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I'm wondering which causes polarization- action or thought. I lean toward thought because it is conscious application in thought that transforms the mind. I sense that if you are a stay-at-home-thinker, you could make the choice mainly with your mind. OTOH, if you go out and get involved with others, actions carry you across. Did I just illustrate introversion vs. extraversion? I agree that we have to make some kind of conscious application to the Choice to make it count, somehow. Blockage from loving self is very prevalent around this place, IMHO. That doesn't mean that removing said blockage leads to STS. I think it's part of that balancing that Ra is so keen on. A lot of women say that only after the birth of their first child do they understand what putting another person ahead of self really means. I submit that most first-time fathers relate, too. Yet those new parents also start behaving less recklessly, therefore "loving selves," because that love of the tiny other-self makes them want to protect from their not being around. All of this is natural, non-conscious opening up to love of other, i.e. the new being. So your assignment for this evening is to go out and find another self and start making that new baby. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 05-10-2011 (05-10-2011, 11:02 PM)kycahi Wrote: Blockage from loving self is very prevalent around this place, IMHO. That doesn't mean that removing said blockage leads to STS. I think it's part of that balancing that Ra is so keen on. I was painting the picture that keeping the blockages was STS and releasing is STO. from my impending "should" thread: Quote:42.4 Questioner: In the illusion that we now experience it is difficult to maintain this response[love] especially if the attack results in physical pain, but I assume that this response should be maintained even through physical pain or loss of life. Is this correct? (05-10-2011, 11:02 PM)kycahi Wrote: Yet those new parents also start behaving less recklessly, therefore "loving selves," because that love of the tiny other-self makes them want to protect from their not being around. All of this is natural, non-conscious opening up to love of other, i.e. the new being. #4 is on her way ![]() One thing babies then teach us: that we are all born STS inclined. Oh yeah, without a doubt. RE: Acceptance and Will - native - 05-11-2011 (05-10-2011, 11:12 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I was painting the picture that keeping the blockages was STS and releasing is STO. So are you saying that sts leaning people would do this on purpose? We know that Ra has said sts people have great respect for themselves, as they typically maintain great health. They're actually over-confident people, as they believe themselves to be superior. I'd agree with you about the hurdle you speak of in regards to opening up to love. If through blockages people feel the world to be an unloving place, why would they give back to it? If you are able to feel loved you are more likely to express it. RE: Acceptance and Will - Edinburgh - 05-11-2011 (05-10-2011, 12:22 PM)Icaro Wrote: A positively polarized person doesn't weigh each step. Their frame of mind is always from the perspective of serving others, while being true to themselves and act in loving the self when it's called for. Loving the self in a positive way is obviously necessary, but I don't think it's viewed as evening every action out on the 50/50 scale. This is a very profound statement ... it's almost as if to say we should not be 'micro managing' ourselves; after having made The Choice, we would move along that path (of STO for example), but without having to 'worry' about each action per se. (however, of course, not causing harm, preventing free will etc) Certainly I have felt this myself. I have felt my internal perspective change measurably after making The Choice and meditating / reflecting daily for a year. I do now frame my thinking from the perspective of the other more often. But also think/ make some actions for myself. On the whole becoming more STO. ![]() But at the same time, still being 'natural' and not weighing every action minutely. RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 05-11-2011 I would ALMOST argue that we are still 'weighing' each action, only it isn't a heavy burden anymore. Therefore the weighing process doesn't feel them same because the guilt is removed and the burden is lifted by love. "Almost" I said. I'm not making that argument. ![]() RE: Acceptance and Will - native - 05-11-2011 Edinburgh - I look at it as negative action versus positive action, because you rightly take care of and be true to yourself in many positive ways, so this wouldn't negatively slide you back on the self serving scale. Once your perspective changes as you say, you naturally always account for the other. 3DM - You're right, I suppose I exaggerated to make a point. There is always a process going on, so vibrationally a positive being would always be coming from a place of love and harmonizing their thoughts to make the right decision. RE: Acceptance and Will - Unbound - 05-11-2011 I want to bring in the basic idea of "Nature vs nurture" here, in light of the suggestion that humans are "naturally" STS. How much of an influence do these two things have on one's choice of the path, I wonder? Is someone who is abandoned and must naturally spend a lot of time alone inevitably going to walk the STS path? At what point does the Choice become a conscious decision? With that in mind, for the millions who are never aware of such teachings, how do they go about choosing without such an awareness of terms? RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 05-11-2011 Quote:16.37 Questioner: I am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from the third to the fourth density. Is this correct? So, terms aren't necessary. I believe persons make a conscious choice everyday. Some are aware of the compassion. Some prefer to see it differently and choose to battle the illusion. I said children prove that we are born STS. I would not spend any effort to prove this. It is probably too much of a blanket statement, but children are manipulative, and very self serving when playing amongst themselves. Not always, but they are. I suppose it is my own perspective to choose to focus on that aspect. As for nature or nurture- It isn't that simple. We all have an influence on the catalyst that is part of choice. Our toenail is influential. RE: Acceptance and Will - Unbound - 05-11-2011 Terms aren't necessary for harvest, no, but does that mean we start making conscious decisions of polarity right from birth? STS and STO are choices, but those choices must be made within context. Does a child merely accept itself and its emotions? Also, there are many children that are very good-natured and not selfish at all. Also, do children have influences from other lives where they have chosen one path or another? Will an entity that has frequently chosen STS more likely be "naturally" STS in a new incarnation? I don't find children are manipulative and self-serving, they are learning their desires and discovering themselves. We are not born with wisdom, we are not born prepared for the choice. We must first discover our capacity for that choice, something which not everyone does I don't think, and then put in the conscious effort to follow it through. Also, now thinking of it, if 3D life experience is for the sake of choosing, we MUST be born neutral, with no polarity. The knowledge of polarity must also be observed while maturing. However, that isn't to say that a child can't be guided by an STS or STO Higher Self along a particular path. This raises a question, does more polarity result from more intention? That is, does a child whom acts in self service out of whim receive the same negative polarity as an adult making a consciously STS decision? Does the "size" or intention of the action create a larger or smaller shift in polarity? RE: Acceptance and Will - kycahi - 05-11-2011 (05-11-2011, 06:17 PM)Azrael Wrote: does that mean we start making conscious decisions of polarity right from birth? STS and STO are choices, but those choices must be made within context. Does a child merely accept itself and its emotions? Also, there are many children that are very good-natured and not selfish at all. Also, do children have influences from other lives where they have chosen one path or another? Will an entity that has frequently chosen STS more likely be "naturally" STS in a new incarnation?Realize that a newbie from orange level is just starting to live lives of awareness of others. How many lives in 3D will a typical human go through, stumbling around and experimenting with selfishness and selflessness under various pre-incarnative setups? With basically no leadership regarding how to choose, nor a true "knowledge of polarity," just guesswork, they/we only gradually get to the Choosing stage. Probably if the higher self thinks that its 3D human is choosing prematurely, it can intervene inconspicuously to put it off. RE: Acceptance and Will - Unbound - 05-11-2011 So I wonder if 3D is in fact more of a preparation for "the" choice? I presume the harvest is the time of choosing? That point at which we commit to our decision? RE: Acceptance and Will - kycahi - 05-11-2011 I think that a 3Der "makes the Choice" over time, perhaps not fully aware of making it. Then continues to live 3D, walking on the Chosen path long enough to kind of lock it in, so to speak. Now, when Harvest comes, the graduating 3Der goes into time/space for a "while" (quoted because what's time in time/space?), then pops back into space/time as a, ta-da, 4Der, STO or STS as chosen. RE: Acceptance and Will - Unbound - 05-11-2011 So basically we're all Highlanders, we must achieve the quickening! RE: Acceptance and Will - AnthroHeart - 05-12-2011 Ra says by the time we make a conscious choice we're already well along our path of polarity. RE: Acceptance and Will - kycahi - 05-12-2011 I can see billboards: On radio or TV: Deep, serious voice: "You've lived your life. You've been altruistic. You've been selfish. Now choose: Service to Others, or Service to Self. For more, go to www dot make your choice dot com." RE: Acceptance and Will - native - 05-12-2011 (05-12-2011, 09:23 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Ra says by the time we make a conscious choice we're already well along our path of polarity. Which means we can assume that the majority of vibrational signatures (personalities) lean towards the positive, since very few choose the negative path. It's not so much a choice in that way, rather it is a realization of who you are. lol kycahi.. RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 05-12-2011 It still baffles me that the harvest is few. RE: Acceptance and Will - Confused - 05-12-2011 (05-12-2011, 12:03 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: It still baffles me that the harvest is few. Quote:17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult to attain harvestability upon than the positive? nice one, kycahi :p RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 05-12-2011 Which, to me, indicates that most of us are delusional to think we are harvestable. |