(02-15-2015, 10:34 PM)Monica Wrote:

(02-15-2015, 09:53 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(02-15-2015, 09:37 PM)Monica Wrote:

(02-15-2015, 08:58 PM)Minyatur Wrote: You are judgmental because you imply that a chosen experience of the Creator be it rape, murder or anything should be denied to that entity because you do not value the experience yourself. It is always a chosen experience.

So, if that person has chosen to be murdered or raped, should we oblige by murdering or raping them?

If that was your role, which seems unlikely. This role would be assumed by one in need of the experience which I doubt to be your case. It happens unconsciously by both parties, none yet understanding the purpose of it. Once they reach 4D, they will reflect on the act of the Creator raping or murdering Itself and it will bring greater understanding of other-selves. 

You don't have to be consciously aware of your role, each interaction has it's purpose in mirroring something to you as you mirror back to others. In the end there is only One with the illusion of separateness and not understanding the self and other-selves. There is no one which you are not, you are every role for is not all One?

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I'll add that in no way am I telling you that your way of being is not the way for you to be. How you act is up to your free will and you can view Creation as the perfect converging of inter-balancing inter-dependent free wills. You being here is in no way random, you exist here and now out of all of Creation because this is where you need to be to learn/teach, teach/learn. You do not of think this place as right yet this is the place that corresponds to your needs in reality, the most fitting vibrational place. All has purpose.

Eating animals has the direct consequence of causing suffering and death to sentient beings; it is making the choice to be in that role.

(02-16-2015, 01:03 AM)Minyatur Wrote: You were asking of the paths of polarity. These are meaningful in the perspective of harvest, but to harvest STO you only need to be polarized 51% positive which means that you can still have a 49% STS role and be still be harvestable. Your role is always a blending of both as the STS path leaves 5% for STO. The Earth provides in many ways but also takes and destroy. Sometimes you are called to be STS because it is what the other-self has to be confronted with. 

I understand that you feel your role to be as such and you should never betray that intuition on your actions, but let me ask you which of the two can be wrong, Creation or your perception of it? The One Infinite Creator is that which we all become through infinity and also implies that whatever way of being will always come to the conclusion that Creation is perfect the way it is and that is why Creation can manifests itself into existence. How you are polarized is good, if you are very STO that is the balance you bring to Creation. From interacting with negative entities, I've only felt them to be lonely entities and that learn as much from their interaction with us than we do with them, it is a mutual service. In the end there are only "people" and each and every "people" is the Creator, acceptance of all is growing further to the One Infinite Creator.

In my opinion, Earth has the purpose of bringing insights that were not possible to perceive in other more STO worlds and thus become inevitable for our interactions with the STS side of Creation. STO/STS is a perfect balance that cannot be broken for every service is a but a mirror of the Creator on Himself that was needed. A Logos is the point where one loses the will to decide what others need and instead provide that which is needed, whatever it is. In the case of the Earth you can view this duality of a Logos very easily is how the Earth gives but also takes. In a 4D STO world, the Earth would no longer need to provide STS catalysts which is why Ra stated that the Earth is polarized by the people upon it's surface. It doesn't wish to judge nor decide, it has the polarity it is being given and provide both services as catalysts because they are needed. It does not wish to interfere of it's own will and that is the path of evolution, to become one with the One Infinite Creator and providing the needed experiences for the Creator to discover Himself in infinite ways.

(02-16-2015, 01:24 AM)Monica Wrote: Ah...so then it's ok to kill people?

(02-15-2015, 07:12 PM)Shawnna Wrote: Fix it please.

(02-15-2015, 06:46 PM)Shawnna Wrote: "The Law of One Religion?" has turned into something else entirely. 

(02-16-2015, 08:23 AM)Folk-love Wrote: Would a negative being be allowed into a positive society?  I can't imagine so.  I imagine the society would judge the being as unfit to do so and not allow him entry, for the obvious reason to maintain peace and harmony.

(02-16-2015, 08:54 AM)ScottK Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 08:23 AM)Folk-love Wrote: Would a negative being be allowed into a positive society?  I can't imagine so.  I imagine the society would judge the being as unfit to do so and not allow him entry, for the obvious reason to maintain peace and harmony.

There would be a very tricky dance between freedom and peace.  Freedom is inherently chaotic, since freedom means that people are free to do what they want.  The challenge is in allowing freedom without the harming of others.

The negative elite wish to create peace by force, and then the elite would be "more free" to do as they wish.  In society now, you can see how well that's working out..

(02-16-2015, 09:07 AM)Folk-love Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 08:54 AM)ScottK Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 08:23 AM)Folk-love Wrote: Would a negative being be allowed into a positive society?  I can't imagine so.  I imagine the society would judge the being as unfit to do so and not allow him entry, for the obvious reason to maintain peace and harmony.

There would be a very tricky dance between freedom and peace.  Freedom is inherently chaotic, since freedom means that people are free to do what they want.  The challenge is in allowing freedom without the harming of others.

The negative elite wish to create peace by force, and then the elite would be "more free" to do as they wish.  In society now, you can see how well that's working out..

So, for the purposes of establishing and maintaining peace, boundaries do have to be set in place or at least acknowledged.  What would a highly developed society do if one of it's members broke the boundaries and insisted upon doing so?  He would have to be kicked out, wouldn't he?  Wouldn't that mean that there has to be a balance between surrender and resistance?  This world sure is confusing.  My poor brain hurts.

(02-16-2015, 01:56 AM)Minyatur Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 01:24 AM)Monica Wrote: Ah...so then it's ok to kill people?

I doubt for it to be your role or mine so it isn't relevant to us. Still it's neither because it is always from the One to the One and as such there are no difference in you being the judge or the murderer and the interchanging of both your roles would make your awareness be the murderer instead of the one who judges . The separateness of self to an other-self is an illusion, there is only One, you are what you judge.

Your signature is an STS act, it causes a reflection to others of their view on the matter and this can be understood by the turmoil it caused on this thread. Every STS act has this purpose of reflecting the Creator to the Creator while infringing upon free will. STO provides accomodance to other-self which promotes stagnance of growth which is rest in a way. As such your signature causes people to think about this matter while it is not something they wish to think about. Is your signature wrong because some did not want to see it? Of course not, they were meant to see it as the perfect creation is unfolding.

(02-16-2015, 05:18 AM)Ashim Wrote: Monica, do you believe that a meat eater can be harvested positive, or is this subject in some way a criteria of qualification in your opinion?

(02-16-2015, 07:58 AM)Folk-love Wrote: How can you develop a peaceful, prosperous and healthy society without some sort of moral compass or understanding of right and wrong?  I don't think that it is possible.

(02-16-2015, 09:07 AM)Folk-love Wrote: So, for the purposes of establishing and maintaining peace, boundaries do have to be set in place or at least acknowledged.  What would a highly developed society do if one of it's members broke the boundaries and insisted upon doing so?  He would have to be kicked out, wouldn't he?  Wouldn't that mean that there has to be a balance between surrender and resistance?  This world sure is confusing.  My poor brain hurts.

(02-16-2015, 11:14 AM)Monica Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 09:07 AM)Folk-love Wrote: So, for the purposes of establishing and maintaining peace, boundaries do have to be set in place or at least acknowledged.  What would a highly developed society do if one of it's members broke the boundaries and insisted upon doing so?  He would have to be kicked out, wouldn't he?  Wouldn't that mean that there has to be a balance between surrender and resistance?  This world sure is confusing.  My poor brain hurts.

My understanding, for what it's worth (which isn't much, apparently, but here goes anyway), is that those in such a society would naturally be evolved enough to live in peace.

We clearly aren't in such a society yet, and it doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon, especially since the fundamentalist religious people (whether Christian, Church of Ra, or whatever) think that there is nothing we can do to help manifest that, and we just need to wait until Jesus comes back in the clouds and then the lion will instantly lie beside the lamb (or the 'shift' happens and poof we're all blissfully drinking nectar, if you prefer).

(02-16-2015, 10:52 AM)Monica Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 01:56 AM)Minyatur Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 01:24 AM)Monica Wrote: Ah...so then it's ok to kill people?

I doubt for it to be your role or mine so it isn't relevant to us. Still it's neither because it is always from the One to the One and as such there are no difference in you being the judge or the murderer and the interchanging of both your roles would make your awareness be the murderer instead of the one who judges . The separateness of self to an other-self is an illusion, there is only One, you are what you judge.

Your signature is an STS act, it causes a reflection to others of their view on the matter and this can be understood by the turmoil it caused on this thread. Every STS act has this purpose of reflecting the Creator to the Creator while infringing upon free will. STO provides accomodance to other-self which promotes stagnance of growth which is rest in a way. As such your signature causes people to think about this matter while it is not something they wish to think about. Is your signature wrong because some did not want to see it? Of course not, they were meant to see it as the perfect creation is unfolding.

Ah, so you are quick to say my signature is an STS act, yet refuse to say that murdering someone is an STS act. Right. Got it.

(02-16-2015, 10:55 AM)Monica Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 05:18 AM)Ashim Wrote: Monica, do you believe that a meat eater can be harvested positive, or is this subject in some way a criteria of qualification in your opinion?

You aren't the first person to ask this question. Please read the following posts.

Abstaining from meat eating is not a spiritual litmus test

Post #53  Bring4th_Monica
Post #2363 Pablisimo

Rape & other analogies / Relative value of animals vs humans / Meat-Eaters NOT being compared to rapists! But killing animals compared to killing/raping humans from the victim's perspective / Do we wish to emulate higher STO (drinking nectar) or higher STS (mutilating cattle and abducting lower density entities) entities?


Post #96 Bring4th_Monica
Post #111  Pablísimo
Post #146  Bring4th_Monica

(02-16-2015, 11:29 AM)Folk-love Wrote: Ah but what if a society were in the beginning stages of such a state and one or more of it's members weren't 'up to scratch' and didn't want to leave or change but continue living the good life instead. Then what? Ciao? Sayonara? Vamos? Fare-the-well? Be off with you? Better luck next time? We need to talk? How to put this gently? Buzz off? Im sorry but it's just not working out? If you can think of any others feel free to type them up. Heheh 

(02-16-2015, 09:07 AM)Folk-love Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 08:54 AM)ScottK Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 08:23 AM)Folk-love Wrote: Would a negative being be allowed into a positive society?  I can't imagine so.  I imagine the society would judge the being as unfit to do so and not allow him entry, for the obvious reason to maintain peace and harmony.

There would be a very tricky dance between freedom and peace.  Freedom is inherently chaotic, since freedom means that people are free to do what they want.  The challenge is in allowing freedom without the harming of others.

The negative elite wish to create peace by force, and then the elite would be "more free" to do as they wish.  In society now, you can see how well that's working out..

So, for the purposes of establishing and maintaining peace, boundaries do have to be set in place or at least acknowledged.  What would a highly developed society do if one of it's members broke the boundaries and insisted upon doing so?  He would have to be kicked out, wouldn't he?  Wouldn't that mean that there has to be a balance between surrender and resistance?  This world sure is confusing.  My poor brain hurts.

(02-16-2015, 01:07 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I never said murder  is not STS, all I'm saying is that you regard STS as bad when it is not.

(02-16-2015, 01:07 PM)Minyatur Wrote: You reject the STS side of the Earth

Q\uo Wrote:You journey homeward. How shall you journey?
That is the question of third density. Shall you
journey in the light, seeking ever to become more of
service, more loving, more giving, more aware of the
love within each moment? Or shall you enjoy the
dark path where the self is seen immediately as the
Creator and all other selves are seen as those who
would worship the Creator in you. Thus, the dark
path is one where each who follows it attempts to
coerce, manipulate, or otherwise use all other selves,
to tell them what to do and to make sure they are
useful to the self or moved out of the way of self.
This also is a valid path, yet it is a dark path and a
bloody path. There are those who prefer it.
We are not those. We are those of the radiant path.

(02-16-2015, 01:41 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I will extend on the concept of role.

If you stop a murder what happens? The murderer lives the experience of being denied his attempted murder and will lose in negative polarity. The victim will experience being saved which will be a mix in polarity as the intention of the murderer polarizing negatively and your saving her polarizing the victim positively.

After that if the murderer needed the full experience of murder, it will still happen in a different space/time where there will be no one to stop it. And it will become an experience for the murderer and the victim. You cannot stop the Creator from experiencing it's chosen experiences, you can only have a role in it when you are needed. Thus is how Creation works.

(02-16-2015, 01:56 PM)Bluebell Wrote: 2D eats animals. 3D is still close to 2D, especially a lot of the "younger" 3D folk that live here.

(02-16-2015, 01:56 PM)Bluebell Wrote: i'm sorry Monica but unfortunately they DON'T  know better. u can't force understanding onto others. u can lead a horse to water but forcing it to drink will choke it. ur getting in the way of people learning for themselves. why?

(02-16-2015, 02:26 PM)Monica Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 01:41 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I will extend on the concept of role.

If you stop a murder what happens? The murderer lives the experience of being denied his attempted murder and will lose in negative polarity. The victim will experience being saved which will be a mix in polarity as the intention of the murderer polarizing negatively and your saving her polarizing the victim positively.

After that if the murderer needed the full experience of murder, it will still happen in a different space/time where there will be no one to stop it. And it will become an experience for the murderer and the victim. You cannot stop the Creator from experiencing it's chosen experiences, you can only have a role in it when you are needed. Thus is how Creation works.

If you are there, with the ability to stop the murder, then you are a participant and part of the equation.

But that isn't even a good analogy. A better analogy is: Is it an STO-polarizing action for an STO-oriented entity to actually commit the murder? Forget about stopping it. What about actually doing it?

(02-16-2015, 03:08 PM)jody Wrote: Is there anyone posting on here who believes that this line of debate is producing anything of positive value anymore?

I wish you all Love. =)