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RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - AnthroHeart - 11-28-2012 Thanks rie. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - caycegal - 01-10-2013 (11-28-2012, 10:46 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If we don't take our body into 4D, I don't know why I am so compelled energetically to raise my body's vibration by eating healthier and such. This is a fascinating question for me also. (Although I don't know how I feel about the whole "4D" analysis, I wonder why we must put so much energy into trying to be "healthy" by eating right, exercising, etc., since we are essentially spiritual beings. Abraham says that the more we use the Law of Attraction (thinking and feeling in a positive non-resistant way) the less we have to "work at it" to make up for resistant, negative thought by action. I also think that the higher our vibration becomes, the more easily our bodies can use "non-physical" energy, rather than getting all our energy from food. According to Edgar Cayce, if we could assimilate perfectly, eliminate perfectly, and think positively, we could live forever in the physical should we desire to do so. All my comments here seem to me to be a little rambling -- that's probably because I'm still not sure how all this fits together. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - anagogy - 01-11-2013 (01-10-2013, 10:36 PM)caycegal Wrote:(11-28-2012, 10:46 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If we don't take our body into 4D, I don't know why I am so compelled energetically to raise my body's vibration by eating healthier and such. From my perspective, 4D is very similar to 3D in many ways. It is just a less resistant state of being. Everything in that reality is more harmonious because of this. The balance between mind and matter is different there. When the mind is less resistant, the matter is also. It is a state of being where there is a shorter gap between the birthing of desires, and the lining up with those desires. We are always coalescing a reality about our consciousness. Its automatic. We are always gravitating to a space compatible with the vibration we are emitting. In 3rd density, there is often a mixed or impure vibrational offering which results in resistance, which sometimes translates into suffering. Our consciousness is evolving, and as it evolves, the physical reality we collect about ourselves will become different. Consciousness creates form. It is possible to raise ones vibration while in the body to a place beyond the spectrum of 3rd density. This causes the body to change. This could also constitute a rare form of "dying to 3rd density" even though one probably wouldn't interpret it as such (i'm just reconciling Ra's assertion that we must die to 3rd density to enter 4th density with my understanding that it is possible to raise ones vibration to the point where you 'ascend'). What is death anyway? Death has always been just a transition. There is no real death. I've researched some very convincing accounts via past life regression where individuals were able to raise their 3D bodies into 4D, thus making them 4D compatible. Hence the need for reconciliation in my mind. My conclusion after a lot of research and thought: change doesn't have to happen slow, unless there is a lot of resistance, and then it can take hundreds of years to let go of that resistance to change, which results in the slow evolutionary development into full fledged fourth density bodies. It doesn't have to take that long, but that's just what is likely to play out given the current planetary climate of consciousness. There are always individuals who learn more quickly than others. I believe there will be some few individuals who actually "ascend" within a relatively short period of time, while incarnate. Not the majority by any means, but a few individuals who, for whatever reason, that choose to leave 3rd density this way. These would be individuals that had raised their vibration into such a nonresistant place that there was virtually no gap between desire and manifestation of that desire. Basically individuals that had conscious control of 90% of their catalyst. We have to keep reminding ourselves that anything is possible. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Ashim - 01-11-2013 You do not 'take' your 3d body into 4d. You manifest a 4d body. Dual activated means able to work in 4d (in a 4d body) whilst still being incarnate in 3rd density physicality. To do this the higher bodies must be activated. There are several ways to do this, spiritual and technical. These activations also in the form of accelerators are already available to us for use. Once in a 4d body (air based) it is then possible to work outside of the constraints of linear timeflow. This has been explained on this forum before. If you are of 51% positive polarity you can teleport already into the higher octaves of 4th density, spend some 'time' there, then return to 3d to apply what you have learnt and infuse physicality with this wisdom. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - anagogy - 01-11-2013 (01-11-2013, 03:51 AM)Ashim Wrote: You do not 'take' your 3d body into 4d. You manifest a 4d body. I'm aware of the concept as portrayed in the Ra material (dual body activation and what not). It's just not the only body of material that I go off of or deem reliable. Truth is like a mosaic, and its best not to look for it all in one spot, in my opinion, though the Ra material is a fantastic and inspiring resource. I was suggesting the possibility, based on a lot of research, of the metaphysical variety, that 3D material can transform into 4D material, and vice versa. I've just investigated material that suggests a plethora of possibilities. Consider it intellectual candy to contemplate. You say we do not "take your 3d body into 4d". I've seen a lot of material (past life/between life regressions) that suggests that is a possibility (whether it is the norm or not). Again, I think its important to consider the question, "what is impossible?" Nothing is impossible, just less plausible. Best regards. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Ashim - 01-11-2013 (01-11-2013, 05:21 AM)anagogy Wrote:(01-11-2013, 03:51 AM)Ashim Wrote: You do not 'take' your 3d body into 4d. You manifest a 4d body. Can you jump to the moon? I mean without using a jump room, just using your own physical energy? No, because even if you used all your body as fuel you would still be well short of reaching the levels required to propel yourself to escape velocity. So it's impossible in this density at least. Ra also stated the following: 43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct? Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - anagogy - 01-11-2013 (01-11-2013, 06:04 AM)Ashim Wrote: Can you jump to the moon? I mean without using a jump room, just using your own physical energy? No, because even if you used all your body as fuel you would still be well short of reaching the levels required to propel yourself to escape velocity. Sorry, but that seems like kind of an absurd analogy. It's like you're saying, with these specific (x) rules you can't do (x). That's a given. Given that rules aren't going to break, of course the outcome will be such. But rules change. What do you think "intelligent energy" or "intelligent infinity" is? Do you think that access to such makes the limits that define our reality stronger? Or do we become more able to pursue the freedom from such physical limitations? (01-11-2013, 06:04 AM)Ashim Wrote: Ra also stated the following: Again, you are presuming limits on an infinity that has none. Do you think that one chemical cannot become another chemical? Ra also said: Quote:48.10 Questioner: Could you tell me how the various bodies, red through violet, are linked to the energy centers, red through violet? Are they linked in some way? And they also said: Quote:14.17 Questioner: Then the harvest 25,000 years ago, the entities who were— could have been harvested to the fourth density remained here in service to this planetary population. Is this correct? And also: Quote:54.17 Questioner: I would like then to trace the evolution of catalyst upon the mind/body/spirit complexes and how it comes into use and is fully used to create this tuning. I assume that the sub-Logos that formed our tiny part of the creation using the intelligence of the Logos of which it is a part, provides the base catalyst that will act upon mind/body complexes and mind/body/spirit complexes before they have reached a state of development where they can begin to program their own catalyst. Is this correct? So, you see, access to intelligent infinity makes a whole host of things possible that would otherwise not be. Awareness changes the rules, changes the game. Of course, at the end of the day, none of us really know for sure, do we? We can only speculate based on the available evidence/experience we have acquired. Also, you are using the Ra material to try to negate what I'm saying when I've already stated, that my assertion of the possibility of raising a body from the 3d to 4d is not based on the Ra material. If I were solely going off the Ra material, I would probably agree with your conclusions. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Ashim - 01-11-2013 Quote:Also, you are using the Ra material to try to negate what I'm saying when I've already stated, that my assertion of the possibility of raising a body from the 3d to 4d is not based on the Ra material. If I were solely going off the Ra material, I would probably agree with your conclusions. Well then please enlighten us as to the fruits of your studies and the source of your information. This is a forum mostly for discussion of the Ra material - there is a section for non L/L material however. Obviously it is possible for a 5th density entity (or higher) to lower their frequency down to a 3rd density vibration but this is by virtue of having a light body. The body will manifest in 3rd density but will not be of the same carbon based elements as a true 3rd density body. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - zenmaster - 01-11-2013 (01-11-2013, 07:37 AM)Ashim Wrote:yes, it would actually be same local elements manifested. The higher core vibration controls the lower. If it's 3D being manifested, that means 1D chemicals. Same with 4D manifesting to 3D.Quote:Also, you are using the Ra material to try to negate what I'm saying when I've already stated, that my assertion of the possibility of raising a body from the 3d to 4d is not based on the Ra material. If I were solely going off the Ra material, I would probably agree with your conclusions. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - anagogy - 01-11-2013 (01-11-2013, 07:37 AM)Ashim Wrote:Quote:Also, you are using the Ra material to try to negate what I'm saying when I've already stated, that my assertion of the possibility of raising a body from the 3d to 4d is not based on the Ra material. If I were solely going off the Ra material, I would probably agree with your conclusions. I would if I had more time. There are a lot of these "sources". And I just did "enlighten" you to the fruits of the study: 3D can become 4D and 4D can become 3D. That's pretty much it. One is Dolores Cannon's work. Check it out. It's quite interesting. (01-11-2013, 07:37 AM)Ashim Wrote: This is a forum mostly for discussion of the Ra material - there is a section for non L/L material however. You keep telling me these things like I just barely started posting on this forum. I've been a forum member for quite some time, I'm aware of the nooks and crannies of the forum. But thanks for trying to be helpful. This is kind of ironic to even mention, though, given the thread title "David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest". Last time I checked, David Wilcock had no part in channeling the actual Ra material, yet here we have a thread about him. Which wasn't moved to some other sub forum. So given that, I don't feel my post is too far out of place. (01-11-2013, 07:37 AM)Ashim Wrote: Obviously it is possible for a 5th density entity (or higher) to lower their frequency down to a 3rd density vibration but this is by virtue of having a light body. The body will manifest in 3rd density but will not be of the same carbon based elements as a true 3rd density body. We have all bodies in potentiation. Even though these are time/space bodies, the capabilities are still there to someone who is able to use their indigo form maker body. And 3D material becomes 4D material all the time. One example is alien abduction. Many abductions involve taking a terran inhabitant into 4D space for a "time" and then bringing them back to 3rd density space/time. No energy is "locked" in any particular density. And it is in no way necessary to transition to 4D by raising the vibrations of ones physical body to a point where they disappear from this reality and appear in a higher dimensional reality. It's just possible is all, from my perspective. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Ashim - 01-11-2013 [/quote] yes, it would actually be same local elements manifested. The higher core vibration controls the lower. If it's 3D being manifested, that means 1D chemicals. Same with 4D manifesting to 3D. [/quote] I think I'm getting ahead of myself here, let me ask you this zen: When I teleport to 4d my 3d body stays in 3rd density, right? The body that manifests in 4d is the 'air body', right? This body can work outside of 3d time, my impression (although there was always someone hurrying me along) is that this is due to the volume of 4d being greater, the photon spinning at an increased rate compared to 3d. Is that right? When 'returning' to 3d would it be true to say that the 3d body remained in 3rd density the whole time whilst being 'joined' by the now active 4d body ? Due to the 'extra' time available in 4d the experience takes a while to filter through the tree of mind. That was my impression. The light body would appear to be proportionally larger than 3d and4d. When I met my team at the base they were all about 8-9 foot tall. Omg! I was in my 4d body. Then we went through several portals and made several 'jumps'. When we were on the ship however we appeared similar in height. Did I manifest a light body to be able to observe this? Hope you don't mind me picking your brains. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - zenmaster - 01-11-2013 (01-11-2013, 02:38 PM)Ashim Wrote:There is no light body in 4D - that'd be 5D. 4D body is the same body as in 3D, but higher core vibration. If you have a 3D body/mind complex then you don't experience anything of 4D except that which 4D has manifested in 3D. 3D time/space inner-planes tend have more access to 4D phenomena only to the extent that the 3D inner-planes are more comfortable to a fully 4D entity than 3D physicality. While in the 3D inner-planes, time does take on a different psychological involvement, but you're not "outside of time" you're actually much more "inside of time".Quote: yes, it would actually be same local elements manifested. The higher core vibration controls the lower. If it's 3D being manifested, that means 1D chemicals. Same with 4D manifesting to 3D. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - darklight - 01-14-2013 (01-11-2013, 10:08 PM)zenmaster Wrote: There is no light body in 4D - that'd be 5D. 11.15 Questioner: Is it impossible for you to tell us precisely how he does this service? Ra: I am Ra. It is possible for us to speak to this query. However, we use any chance we may have to reiterate the basic understanding/learning that all beings serve the Creator. The one you speak of as Genghis Khan, at present, is incarnate in a physical light body which has the work of disseminating material of thought control to those who are what you may call crusaders. He is, as you would term this entity, a shipping clerk. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - zenmaster - 01-14-2013 Understand the distinction is "body of light" (5D) vs lighter body (compared to 3D) The 4D mind does not permit manifestation of a body of light. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - untilbeyond - 01-15-2013 (11-20-2012, 06:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: According to my (ongoing) estimation there are several "points in time" which have become conflated: b**** D'Badass + Bink D'Stink = awesome RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Tenet Nosce - 01-16-2013 (01-11-2013, 10:08 PM)zenmaster Wrote: There is no light body in 4D - that'd be 5D. 4D body is the same body as in 3D, but higher core vibration. If you have a 3D body/mind complex then you don't experience anything of 4D except that which 4D has manifested in 3D. 3D time/space inner-planes tend have more access to 4D phenomena only to the extent that the 3D inner-planes are more comfortable to a fully 4D entity than 3D physicality. While in the 3D inner-planes, time does take on a different psychological involvement, but you're not "outside of time" you're actually much more "inside of time". Of course, since you are not 4D, any such descriptions you make of it amount to nothing more than whimsical fantasy. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Oceania - 01-16-2013 lololol good one Tenet. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - zenmaster - 01-16-2013 (01-16-2013, 01:28 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Of course, since you are not 4D, any such descriptions you make of it amount to nothing more than whimsical fantasy.Desperate reaching - 'oh oh, I remember where zen wrote something about another density. Let me call him out on it'. I'm not attempting to talk about the inherent complexities of non-3D psychological awareness as if the paradigm applied to 3D psychological awareness. You can't use such an inventive treatment even "hypothetically" because people evolve into it, just as 3D man evolves from sensorimotor to post-formal-operational stages of consciousness. In other words, "4D transparency" without the supporting developmental structure, is a form of reductionism. Since it's merely suggestive - does not honor the actual circumstances or beingness entailed that supports that ability. But "merely suggestive" doesn't teach (because nothing was learned) if you actually believe "as if" it were the actual case. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Tenet Nosce - 01-16-2013 deleted... RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Ashim - 01-16-2013 Quote:Of course, since you are not 4D, any such descriptions you make of it amount to nothing more than whimsical fantasy. Oh, really, I always thought of zen being a 4der performing his honor/duty here. Now you've shattered my illusion. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - untilbeyond - 01-16-2013 b**** D'Badass + Bink D'Stink = awesome [/quote] And by that, I mean to say you have a superb assessment around defining the pivotal aspect of Dec. 21 of 22012. Wilcock has a new blog, and he offers his perspective on the harvest not manifesting yet. However, this point would've fit nicely into his presentation. This is one of his long blogs... will take me a few days to digest. I do see he is deep in the question of how to frame tLoO predictions into our existing version of 2013. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - xise - 01-17-2013 Something is happening/happened or maybe I'm going crazy. Past two weeks I feel completely charged with pulsing energy, particularly in the center of my head 24/7. The best way to describe it is I feel a pulse of electrical energy in my body, that is rhythmic. It doesn't match my heartbeat. The most famaliar way to describe it is you know that sound/feeling from the warp core reactors in Star Trek the Next Generation? Thrummmm, Thruummmm, Thruummm (with imagined bass). I feel and hear that sort of energy pulsing through me. It's actually a bit freaky when I try to sleep at night in a super dark room since the sensation increases since I have no distractions. Last night my entire body was pulsing like a warp core generator as I tried to sleep - it was kind of distracting! RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Ashim - 01-17-2013 (01-17-2013, 01:54 AM)xise Wrote: Something is happening/happened or maybe I'm going crazy. Past two weeks I feel completely charged with pulsing energy, particularly in the center of my head 24/7. These are the Federation craft you requested. It's Operation Lightbody. First time attempted in this Universe. To receive these pulses of energy one should be in a medatitive state. You will have requested this process so don't be alarmed, romulan ships are not trying to blast you to oblivion. These energentic infusions work on various levels and on multiple dimensions. You might notice large thoughtforms appearing or have revelations on a deep spiritual level. Usually the pulses will alternate from positive to negative polarity, the goal being non polarity. The positive energy flows from above through the crown, the negative from below through the root. At some stage the new lightbody will start to feel 'realer' than your 3d suit. Remember your body recontructs about 350,000,000,000,000 times a second. Physical solidity is just the illusion caused when 'matter' condenses. Your body is not really solid. Please do not attempt to hit anything just to disprove that. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Oceania - 01-17-2013 (01-17-2013, 01:54 AM)xise Wrote: Something is happening/happened or maybe I'm going crazy. Past two weeks I feel completely charged with pulsing energy, particularly in the center of my head 24/7. you can feel the warp core? or have you been in engineering??? could it be kundalini? whatchoo talkin' about Ashim? does everyone get this lightbody thingy? RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - untilbeyond - 01-17-2013 "It's Operation Lightbody. First time attempted in this Universe." Highly illogical. Can only guess this is satire. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - xise - 01-17-2013 (01-17-2013, 10:48 AM)Oceania Wrote:(01-17-2013, 01:54 AM)xise Wrote: Something is happening/happened or maybe I'm going crazy. Past two weeks I feel completely charged with pulsing energy, particularly in the center of my head 24/7. I don't know. I know that I've experienced what I believe is kundalini, it's like lighter electricity over various chakras...this is different, but perhaps the difference is just intensity? It's much more intense, and I can almost hear the energy and it feels like it is causing my body to physically shake with each reverberation (though it doesn't visibily do so). It literally feels as if your body was a warp core reactor...at least that's the best way to describe it. It might also be the feeling you get if you stood beside one of them - I'd imagine that it's deep bass would vibrate your body, right? The only similar feeling I've ever had is when shrooming; I've felt the deep bass of energy move through my body. But perhaps it's just my third eye opening up more abilities to percieve energy. I've always had great ease in feeling energy compared to many other people - at least this is what people who have meditated for years have told me. I suck at visualizing stuff, but I can physically feel the energy. Perhaps I'm just starting to hear it as well? I don't know. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Oceania - 01-17-2013 i'd hug the core. i love engineering. it's the coolest place besides the bridge. i can only recall back to a time when i felt heart reverberations, i thought my bed was shaking but i think it was coming from me. why do you think some people can't see as well? i also suck at visualising but i've had auditory and sense hallucinations a plenty. is it a clogged pineal gland? or just diminished flow to it? when i cleaned my pineal gland my visuals got better, but were still poor compared to others. maybe try seeing if this new energy does something? try visualising and see if it's different. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Spaced - 01-17-2013 Has anyone read Dave Wilcox' new blog post? I'm just gonna get started on it. http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1099-2012romancereality RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - Oceania - 01-17-2013 i skimmed it. the bottom seemed interesting. RE: David Wilcock, Daniel, & The Harvest - AnthroHeart - 01-17-2013 (01-17-2013, 01:16 PM)Oceania Wrote: i can only recall back to a time when i felt heart reverberations, i thought my bed was shaking but i think it was coming from me. I had that happen when it felt like I was generating my own gravity. Sometimes it would make my body shake. |