(07-20-2011, 04:49 AM)seejay21 Wrote: Defining ourselves as STO, is not an STO act. It is the exact opposite. To the true STO mind/body/spirit complex, there is no reason to seperate yourself as more STO than anyone else. Doing so is pure STS.

Quote:Q: (L) We are what we are. Nature is nature. Progression is progression. And if people would just relax and be who and what they are in honesty, and do what is according to their nature without violating the Free Will of others, that this is a more pure form of being than doing things out of any feeling of expectation, or desire; to just be, not want… just be?

A: Yes, but STS does not do that. You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are.

Q: (A) There are those who are happy in the STS mode; and there are those who are trying to get out of the STS mode…

A: STO candidates.

(07-25-2011, 01:37 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: In light of this new information (new from my standpoint) please disregard all previous comments I may have made about being STO. It was presumptuous of me to declare such a thing, and I am afraid, quite misguided.

I think I may be confused.

Quote:"You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are."

(07-26-2011, 09:39 AM)Crown Wrote:

Quote:"You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are."

- This sentence cant be true in my opinion.

Teilhard de Chardin Wrote:We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.

(07-26-2011, 04:11 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: } I agree. Once the WILLing learner learns something, the big question is 'what do I do with it now?'. The hoodwinkers (most deceive themselves) have a hay day. The real answer to the question is 'nothing, you've been doing it all along, you just didn't realize it. Be content with the realization'

(07-26-2011, 03:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: When I come across seemingly conflicting information, my natural instinct is that investigation into the discrepancy will yield a higher level of understanding. While this may not be fruitful in all cases, there certainly can be no further understanding acquired by labeling one source as "right" and the other as "wrong" and leaving it as that.

(07-26-2011, 03:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: The idea put forth which I think is very intriguing is that 4D, though having an element of physicality, does not require one to eat food in the way that we normally think about it. If one is desirous of food, they may simply manifest it out of the "ethers".

This gets back to the potential folly I pointed out in attempting to impose 4D values on a 3D society. One thing I really like about the C's is that, when pressed for questions about 4D, they frequently offer "wait and see" as a reply.

So getting back to the food issue, perhaps upon our arrival in 4D we will find that this deep inner conflict over eating our animal and plant friends becomes a moot point. Perhaps we will find that this, and other issues that humans tend to get all worked up in a tizzy about, simply resolve themselves effortlessly, and we will find that much of our conflict and chagrin was for naught.

(07-26-2011, 03:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Again, I see a huge pitfall for the "newly awakened" to get hoodwinked by self-styled gurus, masters, avatars and saviors, who are all too eager to impose all manner of physical practices that are supposedly intended to make one "more spiritual". Since, quite clearly, the gurus do not agree, one can easily become lost for years, decades, or even lifetimes, trying to determine which is the "One True Way" to eat, sleep, meditate, exercise, etc. for "spiritual growth".

Ironically, this persistent idea of the "One True Way" is the #1 obstacle to true spiritual growth and understanding.

Quote:Imagine the most Utopian future world you can. What would it be like? Perhaps at that point consuming anything but air and sunlight would be all we need? Draw a straight line from where we are now to that future world. Now start taking steps along that line.

(07-26-2011, 03:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: As is being discussed in 6th-Density Negatively Polarized Wanderers?, a fairly substantial argument can be made that, throughout history, every attempt to impose higher density values upon a third density culture has backfired bigtime.

(07-26-2011, 06:31 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(07-26-2011, 03:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: When I come across seemingly conflicting information, my natural instinct is that investigation into the discrepancy will yield a higher level of understanding. While this may not be fruitful in all cases, there certainly can be no further understanding acquired by labeling one source as "right" and the other as "wrong" and leaving it as that.

Respectfully, I disagree. While any process of introspection will undoubtedly yield higher understanding, and all points of view are valid from their own perspective, that doesn't necessarily mean that all points of view are valid from our perspective.

Bring4th_Monica Wrote:In the case of your example - eating animals - I respectfully submit that it's a cop-out to just "wait for 4D" when animals are suffering in the here and now, and we have the power to do something about it.

Quote:102.16 Questioner: Could Ra please state which foods are highly probable to not cause the spasming?

Ra: I am Ra. The liquids not containing carbonation, the well-cooked vegetable which is most light and soft, the well-cooked grains, the non-fatted meat such as the fish. You may note that some recommended foodstuffs overlap allergies and sensitivities due to the juvenile rheumatoid arthritic distortions. Further, although sugar such as is in your sweetened desserts represents a potential, we may suggest that it be included at this period for aforementioned reasons.

Quote:40.14 Questioner: In dietary matters, what would be the foods that one would include and what would be the foods that one would exclude in a general way for the greatest care of one’s bodily complex?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we underline and emphasize that this information is not to be understood literally but as a link or psychological nudge for the body and the mind and spirit. Thus it is the care and respect for the self that is the true thing of importance. In this light we may iterate the basic information given for this instrument’s diet. The vegetables, the fruits, the grains, and to the extent necessary for the individual metabolism, the animal products. These are those substances showing respect for the self. In addition, though this has not been mentioned for this instrument is not in need of purification, those entities in need of purging the self of a poison thought-form or emotion complex do well to take care in following a program of careful fasting until the destructive thought-form has been purged analogously with the by-products of ridding the physical vehicle of excess material. Again you see the value not to the body complex but used as a link for the mind and spirit. Thus self reveals self to self.

Quote:18.4 Questioner: Are there any foods that are helpful or harmful that the instrument might eat?

Ra: I am Ra. This instrument has body complex distortion towards ill health in the distortion direction corrected best by ingestion of the foodstuffs of your grains and your vegetables, as you call them. However, this is extremely unimportant when regarded as an aid with equality to other aids such as attitude which this instrument has in abundance. It, however, aids the vital energies of this instrument, with less distortion towards ill health, to ingest foodstuffs in the above manner with the occasional ingestion of what you call your meats, due to the instrument’s need to lessen the distortion towards low vital energy.

Quote:83.27 Questioner: I noticed you started this session with “I communicate now” and you usually use “We communicate now.” Is there any significance or difference with respect to that, and then is there anything that we can do to make the instrument more comfortable or to improve the contact?

Ra: I am Ra. We am Ra. You may see the grammatical difficulties of your linguistic structure in dealing with a social memory complex. There is no distinction between the first person singular and plural in your language when pertaining to Ra.

We offer the following, not to infringe upon your free will, but because this instrument has specifically requested information as to its maintenance and the support group does so at this querying. We may suggest that the instrument has two areas of potential distortion, both of which may be aided in the bodily sense by the ingestion of those things which seem to the instrument to be desirable. We do not suggest any hard and fast rulings of diet although we may suggest the virtue of the liquids. The instrument has an increasing ability to sense that which will aid its bodily complex. It is being aided by affirmations and also by the light which is the food of the density of resting.

(07-26-2011, 07:08 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: OK, you know what? This is getting ridiculous. OK, fine, if the Ra material is the "end all, be all" source of all spiritual truth then where does is say that eating meat is wrong? Hmm? Can you provide any quotes from the Ra material to support such a view? If vegetarianism is the one true way to eat, then how do YOU reconcile that with these statements?

(07-26-2011, 07:08 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: So what is it, then? Is Ra "right" or "wrong"? Or is Ra only infallible to the point at which they do not support your personal dietary preferences?

(06-29-2011, 11:57 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Here's how 4D positives do battle. "I love you. I accept you. I love you. I accept you" they order a retreat when they start thinking "i find it difficult to accept you. RETREAT"

Bring4th_Monica Wrote:I'M SORRY
I FORGIVE YOU
I LOVE YOU
THANK YOU

(07-26-2011, 06:31 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Moreover, if we really are co-creators, then 4D isn't going to just magically appear. We aren't going to go poof in an instant. As Edgar Cayce said, "You don't go to heaven; you grow to heaven!"

Q'uo Wrote:Third-density Earth is nested within fourth-density Earth. It is not the same Earth as fourth-density Earth. Third-density Earth will not become fourth-density Earth, any more than first-density Earth became second-density Earth, or second-density Earth became third-density Earth. These densities are nested in such a way as to occupy the same area or influence within space/time and time/space, held lovingly by the overarching energy field of your sun.

Q'uo Wrote:Third-density Earth is an Earth whose light is waning. While it will remain third-density, it will no longer support third-density entities in their seeking of the truth. Thusly, third density is shortly to become inactive, we would say, within three or four hundred of your years beyond 2012. Thusly, 2013 upon your planet will look very much like 2012 upon your planet. However, you will find that your population of entities grows more and more interested and fascinated with the reparation of the Earth and the healing of what you call your Mother Earth or Gaia.

Q'uo Wrote:Those who incarnate at this time upon Planet Earth, that is, after 2012, will be those whose experiences in other incarnations have carried with them an element of adhering karma because of the destruction of their Earth whether it be this Earth and the destruction of Atlantis, or Maldek, or Mars, or several other Earths that created an uninhabitable third-density planet and thusly needed to finish third density upon Planet Earth. There are quite a few millions of those who feel that desire at this time to be part of the healing of the Mother. And there is great joy in contemplating that healing.

Fourth-density Earth is an entirely different sphere, within which third density is nested. And as fourth-density light becomes that which your sun is capable of offering, that fourth-density Earth shall more and more become populated by those from third-density Earth who have graduated in a positive sense and wish to move on. It will be a long time before entities who are inhabiting third density will be able to see entities of fourth density. However, they are as real and as physical, shall we say, to themselves and to fourth-density Earth as you are to your Earth.

We realize that this is one of the less comfortable or naturally obvious concepts having to do with the concept of densities. It is natural for a person to think that this same Earth upon which your feet make footsteps shall become fourth density and that on this same Earth, fourth density shall take place. However, we would suggest to you that it is much like wanting to take your physical body with you when you pass from physical life upon this planet and hoping to drag what this instrument would call this chemical distillery of a body into fourth density and attempt to lug it around when everyone else is dancing with a much lighter and electrically driven rather than chemically driven body.

Tenet Nosce Wrote:This brings us to the times of the Eighteenth Dynasty in Egypt. Around 1333 BCE, Akhenaten proclaims the first truly monistic religion which proclaims the oneness of all creation. He also proclaims the first co-regency with a woman, his wife Nefertiti. Based on my reading of the Law of One, I understand this to be the time of the Ra contact.

As recounted in the Law of One, what Ra perceived to be a loving intervention had massive unforeseen ramifications, essentially creating a Wrinkle In Time. Their communication to us is part of an attempt to reduce the distortion brought about by their intervention. Even this latest attempt in 1981 which we know as the Ra material struggles immensely with a mental inertia which tends toward a particular distortion.

2.2 Wrote:Ra: In the Eighteenth Dynasty, as it is known in your records of space/time distortions, we were able to contact a pharaoh, as you would call him. The man was small in life-experience on your plane and was a… what this instrument would call, Wanderer. Thus, this mind/body/spirit complex received our communication distortions and was able to blend his distortions with our own. This young entity had been given a vibratory complex of sound which vibrated in honor of a prosperous god, as this mind/body complex, which we call instrument for convenience, would call “Ammon.” The entity decided that this name, being in honor of one among many gods, was not acceptable for inclusion in his vibratory sound complex. Thus, he changed his name to one which honored the sun disc. This distortion, called “Aten,” was a close distortion to our reality as we understand our own nature of mind/body/spirit complex distortion. However, it does not come totally into alignment with the intended teach/learning which was sent. This entity, Ikhnaton, became convinced that the vibration of One was the true spiritual vibration and thus decreed the Law of One.

However, this entity’s beliefs were accepted by very few. His priests gave lip service only, without the spiritual distortion towards seeking. The peoples continued in their beliefs. When this entity was no longer in this density, again the polarized beliefs in the many gods came into their own and continued so until the one known as Muhammed delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships.

17.0 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. I greet you in the love and in the light of the Infinite Creator.

Before we communicate by answer we shall correct an error which we have discovered in the transmission of our information to you. We have difficulty dealing with your time/space. There may again be errors of this type. Feel free to question us that we may recalculate in your time/space measurements.

The error we have discovered concerns one of the arrivals of both the Orion group into your planetary sphere of influence and the corresponding arrival of emissaries of the Confederation. We gave dates of 2,600 years for the Orion entry, 2,300 for Confederation entry. This is incorrect. The recalculation indicates numbers 3,600 for Orion entry, 3,300 for Confederation entry.

Ra Wrote:Therefore, we have the most difficulty sharing numerical concepts with you and take this opportunity to repeat our request that you monitor our numbers and query any that seem questionable.

(07-23-2011, 03:22 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I'm not sure censor accurately describes L/L Research's motivation. I think it was more that when they originally published books 1-4 they didn't think their personal dramas were interesting or relevant to what they hoped was a philosophical investigation into the nature of reality.

(09-13-2011, 08:30 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: What I am suggesting is perhaps that L/L didn't realize that their personal dramas are both interesting AND relevant into this investigation. It is precisely where the "rubber meets the road", in my humble opinion.

Quote:By this time, it may seem to you that psychic greetings were really occupying our time. You would be right. As Jim and Ra both say, it is easier to be noticed when you’re standing in a spotlight. Metaphysically, the contact with those of Ra was a blinding cynosure. Although we continued to be obscure and completely anonymous in any earthly sense, we had become very noticeable to “the loyal opposition.”

To my mind, the fatal weakness of our group was its humanity, in dealing with three-ness. Although in fact our consciously known energies were in perfect harmony and agreement, there were human distortions from below the level of conscious control, that allowed a wedge to be driven in between Don and me, so he lost faith in “us.” When he began experiencing this profound depression which seemed to overtake him at a crawling, yet inexorable pace, his utter disdain for any opinion but his own did not stand him in good stead. This was the beginning of a pattern that in the end turned fatal and ended my beloved companion’s life, and dear Ra’s contact with our group.

Does this constitute a suggestion that a group should not work unless the energies are two-by-two, and only couples can join in? Not specifically, I do not think, but it is certainly something to ponder. Could we have done better? After years of the Joyceian “agenbite of inwit,” I still do not think we could have. Our behavior was at all times a true manifestation of ourselves. In no wise did either Jim or myself ever even think to change the relationship with each other, or with Donald. And Don had ever kept his own counsel, and there was no hope that he would come to me or Jim and tell us what worries he had in his mind and heart.

Further, when any group works and lives together, regardless of whether the number is paired or singles are mixed in, there will always be human error in the manifested life of each, and to the extent that people’s distortions and fears have a dynamic, there will be misunderstandings and confusion, pulling back and apart from total trust. So it behooves all those working with the light, hoping to be a positive influence on the planetary consciousness to communicate at once those fears and doubts that might pile up inside. If we had ever been able to talk with total openness, Don and I, I think I could have set his mind at ease. But Don would not have been himself if he had done so. Nor would I have been myself if I had somehow known Don was doubting my fidelity. Being within my self, I cannot imagine, either then or now, anyone thinking that I would be disloyal or untrue to any agreement. I have never done that in this incarnation.

Ultimately, one looks at such a pickle as we got into, and knows its utter perfection and inevitability. I have and will always think of Don, my B.C., every hour of every day, and his suffering is ever before me. But I no longer feel the keen sorrow that laid me low for the first few years after his death. All is well, nothing is lost. And I can feel the sun on my face this day, without the urge I used to have to stay in the shade and mourn my losses. Time has restored my broken spirit, and let my being flow sweetly and rhythmically again. And Donald is right here, within. Interestingly enough, we often get mail saying that Don has helped them, either with something from his work, or in an actual visitation. Don’s great generosity of spirit, freed from the constrictive hold he had on it when alive, has overflowed into timelessness, and I think his service will continue as long as there are those who need his special brand of wisdom and depth of soul.

Ra’s statement that the source of catalyst is the self, especially the higher self, is profound, I think. We always relate to the pain of new catalyst by relating to the other person as bringer of catalyst. In doing so we forget that the other is ourselves. Not LIKE ourselves, but our very hearts and souls. In this way of seeing, we can look at the fullness of tragedy in Don’s and my illness and his death as the Creator serving the creator with exactly the catalyst needed for the utmost polarization in consciousness and the greatest growth of spirit. In opening his heart, Don fell ill and died, in the tradition of lost love and desperate romance that has moved us since the beginning of history. And that death was an utter giving away of self. It was as though Don finished everything else he wished to do in life, and then took on the personal reason he had come to earth’s physical plane: the opening of his heart. He was so very wise—and with the sacrifice of self in the most brutal, literal sense, that wisdom was balanced fully with compassion and open-hearted love.

As for me, I cannot fault the path that stubbornly sent my soul to batter against the walls of self until I at last began struggling to express wisdom as well as love in my life. Such were our gifts to each other; such are the currents between us all.

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seejay21 Wrote:There is nothing to prepare you for the reality of war, of killing other selves. Who new?

Tenet Nosce Wrote:Who knew? Well just about everybody that has ever gone to war. That's who. Our ancestors, our parents, our children, our brothers and sisters. You can hardly look around this place for more than a few minutes without being reminded about the travesty of war.