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RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible - Crown - 07-18-2011
(07-18-2011, 08:00 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:I have actually read that page you linked. And i still stand by my opinion. Yes, this website is full of information which some of it is probably true to us right now, but its littered with fear in my opinion.(07-18-2011, 07:57 PM)Crown Wrote:(07-18-2011, 06:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I would highly recommend you read this series of articles on the Alien Agenda.I really dont recommend taking this link that seriously. Just as any other information, it is polluted. Why would you want to believe these kind of things? It would do you only harm i would say... Especially if you look at "them" as the bad guys. I think this kind of information is somewhat dangerous. I would also like to remind everyone that just as all of this sounds big and complicated, there is the exact same thing operating on the other side of the spectrum. Even though we as a race have been manipulated by ourselves actually many times, we are still not "lost". This whole hyperdimensional conquest is just another reality out of the infinite. The way you speak about "Truth" is bothering me too. Oh well, thanks for sharing the link.
Crown, if you would have read the material offered instead of dismissing it out of hand, you would see that the view offered is that the vast majority of ET/aliens ARE positive.
They just choose not to interfere for free will purposes.
RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible - Tenet Nosce - 07-19-2011
(07-18-2011, 08:04 PM)Crown Wrote:(07-18-2011, 08:00 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:I have actually read that page you linked. And i still stand by my opinion. Yes, this website is full of information which some of it is probably true to us right now, but its littered with fear in my opinion.(07-18-2011, 07:57 PM)Crown Wrote:(07-18-2011, 06:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I would highly recommend you read this series of articles on the Alien Agenda.I really dont recommend taking this link that seriously. Just as any other information, it is polluted. Why would you want to believe these kind of things? It would do you only harm i would say... Especially if you look at "them" as the bad guys. I think this kind of information is somewhat dangerous. I would also like to remind everyone that just as all of this sounds big and complicated, there is the exact same thing operating on the other side of the spectrum. Even though we as a race have been manipulated by ourselves actually many times, we are still not "lost". This whole hyperdimensional conquest is just another reality out of the infinite. The way you speak about "Truth" is bothering me too. Oh well, thanks for sharing the link.
Crown, if you would have read the material offered instead of dismissing it out of hand, you would see that the view offered is that the vast majority of ET/aliens ARE positive.
They just choose not to interfere for free will purposes.
Well, it is just information. Is there something "wrong" with offering a different view? Suggesting that somebody read something doesn't mean I agree with every little detail written therein. Although it is interesting that you perceived so much fear, as I do not perceive the author to be at all fearful. So it would appear that either you are projecting that fear, or I am in denial of it.
RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible - Tenet Nosce - 07-19-2011
Quote:Questioner: Is there any effort on the part of the Confederation to stop the Orion chariots from arriving here?
Ra: I am Ra. Every effort is made to quarantine this planet. However, the network of guardians, much like any other pattern of patrols on whatever level, does not hinder each and every entity from penetrating quarantine, for if request is made in light/love, the Law of One will be met with acquiescence. If the request is not made, due to the slipping through the net, then there is penetration of this net.
Quote:Ra: This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.
(07-18-2011, 03:57 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Bottom line: The only help to humanity that -I- want to hear from any supposed ET/alien/god is to point to the fact that we already have all the solutions we need right here, right now.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power.NOTE: This was 30 years ago.
RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible - unity100 - 07-19-2011
(07-18-2011, 03:57 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Interesting. I how said Guardians wouldn't have known about this ahead of time. At the very least, that would demonstrate that the Guardians are not, in fact, infallible. Also, you may have missed my earlier comment/question. Do you think that the Guardians are/were all in agreement about how to handle the situation? Or is/was there conflict among them?
probably the minority accepted the common feeling of the overall majority, including theirs.
Quote:Do we know for sure that this was a physical craft?
leaving aside it was told to be a physical presence by Ra, the descriptions of this craft acting as if it was 'god' to hebrews coincide with physical presence. having to hide behind a cloud, appearing in flames etc etc. flaming cigar shaped craft observation is not something that happened only then. it is also found occasionally among modern ufo cases.
Quote:See, this scrambles my brains. Why would the "game" so to speak be set up so that a given 3D entity does not have everything it needs to evolve without having to make the "call" to some other power?
the evolution you speak of is basically making an energy flowing from below (also, in a way, 'past') get as high as it can go upwards (in a way, towards 'future').
basically it is a flow of spiritual energy, the chokepoint being you. in grander perspective of the path of the entity, if you look at it from 1d to 7d, is like something flowing in a river of colors.
simply - there were others who passed from that particular path before, and it is probably the energy raining down from their location at that path that you are following and wanting to go towards. in short - you are seeking the vibration model you desire, and that vibration model is there somewhere along that path.
in a grander spiritual perspective, you are channeling the energy that flows down from 'future' down, and the 'past' up. choking the the intersection point thinking that there will be 'free will', is rather stupid.
energy needs to flow freely and go towards its path.
Quote:I see what you are saying, although I am confused on the "calling". By what mechanism would a physical entity living on a planet on the other side of the galaxy perceive such a "call"? And moreover, what would prompt them to leave their own immediate sphere of influence to trek out across the galaxy in a space ship?
'thought' is something that communicates in existential level. in very base terms, if infinity is full equilibrium of everything and nothing, infinite intelligence is the sea that is waving just below it. its waves are what provide the 'potential' for existence.
this sea is everywhere. whatever you think or do, vibrates in that sea and creates waves.
all it takes for an entity lightyears 'away' to feel it, is being attuned to such a thought/vibration. on top of this, physical distance becomes a non-factor as the vibrational density increases.
Quote:Assuming that is true, how does this view make you feel toward the logos?
it is just a logos among the endless many. all logoi will learn eventually.
RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible - Tenet Nosce - 07-20-2011
(07-19-2011, 10:40 PM)unity100 Wrote: probably the minority accepted the common feeling of the overall majority, including theirs.
That's too paradoxical for me to comprehend. If there was/is a difference of opinion, by what means would it be reconciled?
Quote:leaving aside it was told to be a physical presence by Ra, the descriptions of this craft acting as if it was 'god' to hebrews coincide with physical presence. having to hide behind a cloud, appearing in flames etc etc. flaming cigar shaped craft observation is not something that happened only then. it is also found occasionally among modern ufo cases.
A sufficiently trained and aware being could induce a dream-like hallucinatory experience in another such that they would be unable to discern between true and false physicality, given enough difference in polarity. A plethora of examples are given by "ET" abductee testimony.
Quote:Tenet Nosce Wrote:See, this scrambles my brains. Why would the "game" so to speak be set up so that a given 3D entity does not have everything it needs to evolve without having to make the "call" to some other power?
unity100 Wrote:the evolution you speak of is basically making an energy flowing from below (also, in a way, 'past') get as high as it can go upwards (in a way, towards 'future').
basically it is a flow of spiritual energy, the chokepoint being you. in grander perspective of the path of the entity, if you look at it from 1d to 7d, is like something flowing in a river of colors.
simply - there were others who passed from that particular path before, and it is probably the energy raining down from their location at that path that you are following and wanting to go towards. in short - you are seeking the vibration model you desire, and that vibration model is there somewhere along that path.
in a grander spiritual perspective, you are channeling the energy that flows down from 'future' down, and the 'past' up. choking the the intersection point thinking that there will be 'free will', is rather stupid.
energy needs to flow freely and go towards its path.
I acknowledge the potential folly in attempting to control the natural flow of energy through the "chokepoint" of limited identity. However, my query is directed otherwise.
I will restate: Is the "calling" a required waypoint through which all 3D entities must pass, or may an 3D entity polarize without any such appeal to higher density realities. In other words, may a materialistic atheist polarize positively, and if so, how?
Quote:all it takes for an entity lightyears 'away' to feel it, is being attuned to such a thought/vibration. on top of this, physical distance becomes a non-factor as the vibrational density increases.
True. My query is: If a given 5D entity is lightyears away living in their own sphere of influence, what purpose would such an entity have in attuning itself to such a distant call? In other words, given the far flung reaches of the galaxy... why Earth and why now?
This would presuppose that the immediate sphere of influence of the 5D entity is not capable of providing a means to fulfill its desires.
Quote:it is just a logos among the endless many. all logoi will learn eventually.
Quote:Please respond.unity100 Wrote:i see this system as exceedingly wrong.Tenet Nosce Wrote:Wrong? To what standard of conduct would one be able to adjudicate its "wrongness"? Perhaps you mean ineffective?
RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible - AnthroHeart - 07-20-2011
Tenet, I've had that experience a few months ago. Not with ET's per-se, but the hallucination experience where reality is altered. I'd be watching television with my family and see something different than they did. I'd see computer equipment morphing into other things. This was during my awakening experience.
Quote:A sufficiently trained and aware being could induce a dream-like hallucinatory experience in another such that they would be unable to discern between true and false physicality, given enough difference in polarity. A plethora of examples are given by "ET" abductee testimony.
RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible - unity100 - 07-22-2011
(07-20-2011, 02:35 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:(07-19-2011, 10:40 PM)unity100 Wrote: probably the minority accepted the common feeling of the overall majority, including theirs.
That's too paradoxical for me to comprehend. If there was/is a difference of opinion, by what means would it be reconciled?
4d and on positive, entities are increasingly harmonizing with each other. overriding and acting against another's feelings becomes increasingly disliked. the group would harmonize the overall result according to strength of everyone's feelings.
Quote:A sufficiently trained and aware being could induce a dream-like hallucinatory experience in another such that they would be unable to discern between true and false physicality, given enough difference in polarity. A plethora of examples are given by "ET" abductee testimony.
that has no relevance or bearing in this argument. a hallucination doesnt need to hide behind a cloud. also much more effective hallucinations than a burning object in the sky could have projected if it was a hallucination. 'wheel within wheel' and burning object, burning bush are in themselves not to well or relevant impressions.
Quote:I acknowledge the potential folly in attempting to control the natural flow of energy through the "chokepoint" of limited identity. However, my query is directed otherwise.
I will restate: Is the "calling" a required waypoint through which all 3D entities must pass, or may an 3D entity polarize without any such appeal to higher density realities. In other words, may a materialistic atheist polarize positively, and if so, how?
in general, 'calling' is something that happens continuously, and it is basically the entity's striving towards the light up above (all the way since 2d). you basically constantly call whatever vibration you are striving towards up ahead.
the 'appeal' to higher densities is constant - what you name as higher density, is the part of creation that constitutes particular array of vibrations pertaining to that density. the energy, vibration etc etc doesnt come from nowhere.
a materialistic atheist may polarize positively, unconsciously, if s/he is concerned with well being of others increasingly. however, in the background, s/he will be using whatever energy s/he is striving towards, and that will also be whatever particular flavor/model of that energy s/he is attracted to.
contrary is also possible. a religious entity may polarize negatively in background, while claiming or thinking that s/he is polarizing positively.
resonating with energies knowingly and consciously is the realm of the adepts.
Quote:True. My query is: If a given 5D entity is lightyears away living in their own sphere of influence, what purpose would such an entity have in attuning itself to such a distant call? In other words, given the far flung reaches of the galaxy... why Earth and why now?
This would presuppose that the immediate sphere of influence of the 5D entity is not capable of providing a means to fulfill its desires.
law of attraction. doesnt matter how far away. even if the attraction is not obeyed or fulfillable, attraction will still be there. it will be attempt to get filled through other means.
the reason is simple - vibration models attract whatever they are attracting.
Quote:unity100 Wrote:i see this system as exceedingly wrong.Tenet Nosce Wrote:Wrong? To what standard of conduct would one be able to adjudicate its "wrongness"? Perhaps you mean ineffective?Please respond.
hampering the natural flow of energies in between conscious and subconscious intentionally, then, trying to facilitate flow of energies in between conscious and subconscious through mechanical means, is exceedingly wrong.
its like first demolishing a building and then trying to patch it up to stand with bandaids.
RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible - Monica - 07-25-2011
(07-18-2011, 06:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I would highly recommend you read this series of articles on the Alien Agenda.
Intelligently done. I like the 'traits' of negative/positive entities. But, in his 'possible scenarios' they're all negative, with only a brief mention of reality splitting into multiple timelines. So overall, really bleak. Seems the author has good intentions but doesn't recognize the possibility/probability of positive outcomes; thus he seems to be unwittingly furthering the fear agenda.
Even though the info is presented dispassionately (seeming to lack fear), the lack of any positive scenarios paint a very bleak picture. The proposed scenarios aren't nearly as important as the fear such scenarios generate.
RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible - Tenet Nosce - 07-26-2011
(07-25-2011, 12:02 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Intelligently done. I like the 'traits' of negative/positive entities. But, in his 'possible scenarios' they're all negative, with only a brief mention of reality splitting into multiple timelines. So overall, really bleak. Seems the author has good intentions but doesn't recognize the possibility/probability of positive outcomes; thus he seems to be unwittingly furthering the fear agenda.
Even though the info is presented dispassionately (seeming to lack fear), the lack of any positive scenarios paint a very bleak picture. The proposed scenarios aren't nearly as important as the fear such scenarios generate.
I can see how it might be interpreted that way. Not to harp or push Montalk on folks, but I know for a fact that he certainly DOES believe in the possibility of a positive outcome, and that his articles are an effort toward moving in that direction. Certainly his methodology is up for discussion. However, in my opinion, I fully concur that the tendency of certain seekers to avoid speaking of "dark" beings or "negative" outcomes actually INCREASES the chances of such conditions manifesting. On the other hand, obsessing or dwelling solely upon the negative ALSO INCREASES the chances of such conditions manifesting.
Best to find a middle ground.
Denial is not an adequate form of protection. If "All Is One" then that includes negative thoughtforms, evil aliens, Yahweh, etc. Better to shine the light of awareness and knowledge upon them, then to retreat into the darkness of denial and hope they don't find you. Darkness is, after all, their specialty.
As with any other body of material, one really has to take everything in context. For example, there are entire articles devoted to multiple timelines. I would refer the interested reader to the most recent article: Dawn of a New Cosmic Day.
Montalk Wrote:Nonlinear time makes the past accessible and reconfigurable. Thus our reality is accessible and reconfigurable by beings who operate beyond linear time. This necessarily includes forces from our own probable futures who have already undergone the Etheric Tide and broken free from linear time, be they positive or negative.
If time travel is possible, it will happen sooner or later, therefore it already has happened at some point in the future, hence we are being visited by time travelers from our perceived future. This would be mere philosophizing were it not for alienology research confirming that time travelers do indeed comprise a portion of the alien presence. The other portions consists of meta civilizations that previously transcended linear time. Regardless of where within linear history the moment of transcendence was achieved, once beyond, one “joins the club” so to speak.
Warring among meta-civilization factions has the appearance of a timewar. As they attempt to reconfigure the past in their favor, we would experience a tug of war that continually adjusts our trajectory into the future. The subtler details are explained in my Timeline Dynamics article. The more our trajectory points toward their particular probable future, the stronger and more tangible they become to us. That is mathematical fact in quantum physics. This feedback loop resembles thoughtforms acquiring energy and tangibility and is intimately tied into that process:
Better probable futures are ones that have more of the Christ impulse defining their World Thoughtform, worse probable futures have the Yahweh or Corrupted Demiurge impulse underpinning theirs. The best of all possible futures is entirely of Christ/Logos, the worst entirely by Yahweh/Corrupted Demiurge. These are the “alive cat” vs “dead cat” outcomes in our cosmic Schrödinger’s Experiment. Currently the two states are superimposed, both outcomes exist in a mixed state, which is why both influences are simultaneously active in our world.
Quantum indeterminacy is what even allows probable futures to retroactively influence the choices that gave rise to them. The more significantly a choice impacts the future, the more strongly it experiences competing feedback flows from those probable futures.
RE: Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible - Raman - 07-28-2011
Is not that complicated. At least this octave is very regulated. Very definitive density boundaries except from 6th/3d because of the 'higher self' type of thing and that could also mean that the 'higher self' was first but 'empty' of experience and then is gathered now on 3d through parallel selves who eventually become part of the 6d complex. Interesting enough that is almost to say there is a parallel between a 'sub-Logos; (sun) and a 6d complex. Interesting thoughts at least.