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RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 06-04-2011 if you have a 3D body as well then you DO do 3D work as well as 4D work. and we can't know what happens as this is the first time they've tried it. God is experimental. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - unity100 - 06-04-2011 i cant even begin to rationalize and respond to your statement. therefore, i will cease discussing. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 06-04-2011 that's the second time. ![]() RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - 3DMonkey - 06-04-2011 (06-04-2011, 07:38 AM)unity100 Wrote: i cant even begin to rationalize and respond to your statement. therefore, i will cease discussing. LOL. How can a 'super genius' not rationalize a simple statement that 90% of people would understand? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 06-04-2011 i think he just can't be bothered. oh well. ![]() RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Raman - 06-04-2011 (06-04-2011, 10:01 AM)Oceania Wrote: i think he just can't be bothered. oh well. I am assuming you are a very young person and I think you are probably correct on your assumptions and you are a dual activated body. Every entity has a different take as to what they came here to do...many different angles...And in fact while on 3d work it is enough to be mostly solitary, if this is your case. Things will change once Harvest occurs and you will find many many friends... RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - 111 - 06-06-2011 After just reading the DW interview posted by Namaste, I thought I would share what jumps out to me... As we move into these 4D Vibrations Our thoughts are now becoming reality (As DW seemeingly realized in his own article that this wasn't happening before 1936) we are Calling the type of transition we will have to us through a mix of our collected coinsiousness as a whole. (I.e. the purpose of wanderers,ascended masters, and social memory complexs,ETs,ECt.. are incarnating in mass numbers for this tranition. To raise the vibrations of the collective whole) And the type of transition won't be set in stone until we reach the threshold and the "clock strikes". Another thing that comes to mind is the mention of the 100-700 year period it will take to clear the astral planes of ascended souls that were not ready for 4th density. I believe these souls in the astral planes will pass the time by creating a "Matrix" for themselves to exsist in. And many who. Have not accepted death will create a matrix in where this "Gradual Transition" takes place. They will believe the earth went through major changes and remained a 3d sphere through everything. Creating an enviorment where rapid spiritual growth can take place by creating massive oppourtunity for STO situations ![]() In these regards BOTH arguments are correct!!! In the Love and light of our one infinite Creator, Namaste!!! RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 06-06-2011 is 28 young? i have friends, it's not that, it's just that i have some issues that may cause me some accumulation of karma or be depolarizing. it's confusing. i'm trying to get over my problems and be a better person but i have huge blow up anger issues when in feel out of control. can i be 4D? then again it's that reason i think i am because i'm really sensitive and feel like i'm living in two different realities. it's painful to shift between them. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - kycahi - 06-06-2011 Ocean, I care and feel for you but I have nothing to offer, at least of a metaphysical nature. Several years ago I received a diagnosis of depressive disorder and went online for research. That's where I saw a brief mention of an anger condition. It has a treatment, but that's all I remember. So if your anger is too much, or even if you want a time out sometimes, consider finding an expert. I learned that I can do a lot for my condition with diet and supplements, so maybe something like that can help you find more mellow. For example, the first time I drank chamomile tea it took so much stress off that I feared it could be addictive. I deliberately waited a few days before having it again. I'm out of that work environment and have no craving. Everybody here has issues to keep us grounded and human, so don't hesitate to learn more about yours. ![]() RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Nyu - 06-06-2011 Oceania, I don't know if you are a boy or a girl, but you sound similar to my bf, and in a different way like me also. My bf is a confusing being, and I wonder if he is not 4d or dual. He is a beautiful soul, but can't handle being around people, their energies confuse and irritate him (but has a huge affinity to animals - I call him the cat whisperer lol) and is prone to moments of such anger that frightens him and he doesn't know why. For me its being prone to feelings of sadness or extreme unworthiness. I wonder if that's one of the reasons why you are here? To learn that side of yourself and how to master it? quick afterthought: remember what we are though. we are these crazy chemical hormonal organic things, and so we have all the bodily flaws that go with it. Just know it and accept it as being part of the 3d experience. All that matters is what's in your heart at the end of the day. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Oceania - 06-07-2011 my mom calls me the cat whisperer. that's so weird. ![]() thanks you guys. i agree about the hormones lol. and i should prolly take supplements, sigh, i took that skate liver oil from whatsitplace and i should start taking it again! and other things. :/ i jut hate taking supplements. i think dual bodies can be really sensitive, i feel like an experimental mental. ![]() RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - unity100 - 06-07-2011 male/female balance is important. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Zygra - 06-07-2011 I have a vague shadowmemory of doing this thing a eons ago. It is gradual up to a certain threshold where things start to move very quickly. I believe that the duration of this threshold is only a few minutes. After that we are completly in 4D space and GAME OVER. So its kind of both. As the guy states we are influenced already by 4D energy. This energy pulsates faster as we approach the threshold. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Raman - 06-09-2011 (06-03-2011, 12:04 PM)vbaba Wrote: This one sees you are correct that if 3D were to land on Venus, we would be unable to detect 5D vibrational inhabitants. On earth at this time, 3D bodies are inhabited by a small percentage of 4D and 5D entities. We may descend downward into matter but not ascend to a higher Density unless we have done the work to raise our vibration. It is not favorable to lower one's vibration unless on a mission or purpose on that planet. Higher Density incarnates are having difficulties on planet earth, whose population is largely the Young Soul. Vbaba....: what do you say about second density entities during this 75000 year cycle great harvest... Like a dog for example...if harvestables and (I'm assuming) dual entities are taken to a safe place...what does this mean for a dog, a horse, a cat? a bacterium? a bird? a tree? a flower? an ant?...and so on... RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-10-2011 (06-03-2011, 12:04 PM)vbaba Wrote: During this 75,000 year cycle which is now ending, each Root Race, and there has been 5, has disappeared through cleansing cataclysms so the next Root Race can begin afresh. Atlantean Root Race was inundated 11,600 years. Only traces beneath the ocean are speculated to be the remains of that great civilization. This Aryan Root Race is seeing its finale with Fire scheduled as the cleansing agent. This one has been notified Chernobyl will be spared as a reminder to 4D of the destruction 3D is capable of doing to an innocent planet. The pyramids are also likely to survive. Nothing else of 3D will survive, including these bodies we inhabit. Why would we want to look out at our beautiful new earth, with a face of eternal Springtime, only to see horrible buildings and structures that have polluted our earth mother's surface during our 3D existence? vbaba, you say that 4D bodies are being created, and harvest indicates cataclysms that remove our soul from these body complexes and we are given new 4D bodies? What do you have to say about this Ra passage, which describes an evolutionary process between 3rd and 4th density? Quote:63.25 Questioner: Then at some time in the future the fourth-density sphere will be fully activated. What is the difference between full activation and partial activation for this sphere? Quote:63.27 Questioner: I will make this statement and have you correct me. What we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth-density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. These atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth-density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. Is this correct? Do you disagree with Ra's description of physical body transition to 4D, or is your theory somehow compatible with Ra's in a way I do not understand? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - zenmaster - 06-10-2011 (06-09-2011, 09:37 PM)Raman Wrote: Nothing else of 3D will survive, including these bodies we inhabit. Why would we want to look out at our beautiful new earth, with a face of eternal Springtime, only to see horrible buildings and structures that have polluted our earth mother's surface during our 3D existence?Not sure where you got that notion. A moderate increase in consciousness, say 10%, and a lifting of the veil would be enough to solve what would become mere aesthetic problem. When people work together, and what needs to be done becomes more apparent, things tend to get done. No 'cleansing' apocalyptic mythos required. You just gotta add a grain of salt to some of the oral traditions or mystic hyper-intuitive prognostications. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 12:45 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(06-09-2011, 09:37 PM)Raman Wrote: Nothing else of 3D will survive, including these bodies we inhabit. Why would we want to look out at our beautiful new earth, with a face of eternal Springtime, only to see horrible buildings and structures that have polluted our earth mother's surface during our 3D existence?Not sure where you got that notion. A moderate increase in consciousness, say 10%, and a lifting of the veil would be enough to solve what would become mere aesthetic problem. When people work together, and what needs to be done becomes more apparent, things tend to get done. No 'cleansing' apocalyptic mythos required. You just gotta add a grain of salt to some of the oral traditions or mystic hyper-intuitive prognostications. Not to mention the apocalyptic cleanse sort of defeats the purpose of life for the many, many people (like myself) who believe we are here to help heal the damage done to the Earth and implement new systems and ideas to reverse and eliminate pollution and poor treatment of Gaia. I better not be wasting my time pouring all of my energy into exploring sustainable systems and green technologies. :exclamation: RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - βαθμιαίος - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 12:45 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Not sure where you got that notion. A moderate increase in consciousness, say 10%, and a lifting of the veil would be enough to solve what would become mere aesthetic problem. When people work together, and what needs to be done becomes more apparent, things tend to get done. No 'cleansing' apocalyptic mythos required. You just gotta add a grain of salt to some of the oral traditions or mystic hyper-intuitive prognostications. Agree with you about people working together, but... 63.32 Questioner: When the third-density goes out of activation and into potentiation that will leave us with a planet that is first, second, and fourth-density. At that time there will be no activated third-density vibrations on this planet. Am I correct in assuming that all third-density vibrations on this planet now are those vibrations that compose the bodily complexes of entities such as we are; that that is the sum total of third-density vibrations on this planet at this time? Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working. This instrument has energy left due to transfer but there is discomfort. We do not wish to deplete this instrument. May we say that this instrument seems in better configuration despite attack than previous workings. To answer your query, this is incorrect only in that in addition to the mind/body/spirit complexes of third-density there are the artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings which these co-Creators have produced. This is third-density. (06-10-2011, 12:53 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Not to mention the apocalyptic cleanse sort of defeats the purpose of life for the many, many people (like myself) who believe we are here to help heal the damage done to the Earth and implement new systems and ideas to reverse and eliminate pollution and poor treatment of Gaia. I better not be wasting my time pouring all of my energy into exploring sustainable systems and green technologies. :exclamation: Have you read Robert Monroe's books? In one of them, he visits earth in the not-too-distant future and finds that he can recognize the terrain where his business used to be, but the roads and buildings are gone. There are still humans, though (basically), and they are working to heal and restore the earth. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Namaste - 06-10-2011 That is in sync with Ra's message; in the 700 year 'cool down' period post 2012, souls will incarnate here in which to help heal the earth, and learn to love nature. It is likely those who have been abusing the planet for personal gain will be among those souls. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - zenmaster - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 07:30 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:I've read 3 of his books, which are compelling. I'm positive Monroe had read the Ra Material, BTW. Especially if you read Ultimate Journey. I'm not buying that when Ra says 'artifacts', they are referring to man-influenced, 1st-density formations. That is, given that these structures don't carry a 'special energy' that binds their molecules according to 3rd density principles. They're bound and maintained according to 1st density, physical / chemical principles (of course).(06-10-2011, 12:45 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Not sure where you got that notion. A moderate increase in consciousness, say 10%, and a lifting of the veil would be enough to solve what would become mere aesthetic problem. When people work together, and what needs to be done becomes more apparent, things tend to get done. No 'cleansing' apocalyptic mythos required. You just gotta add a grain of salt to some of the oral traditions or mystic hyper-intuitive prognostications. So if they were to be instantly destroyed, it would have to be due to some 3d marker being used (i.e. thought forms) to identify them as targets for destruction - then some intelligence force would have to be invoked. I'm curious if, in that session, the punctuation of a colon would not be appropriate after 'artifacts'. You still have the tape? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 09:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm not buying that when Ra says 'artifacts', they are referring to man-influenced, 1st-density formations. That is, given that these structures don't carry a 'special energy' that binds their molecules according to 3rd density principles. They're bound and maintained according to 1st density, physical / chemical principles (of course). I interpereted the concept of artifacts much the same way you did. I'm not sure how there can be a cataclysm that wipes out all of our 3D structures but not our 3D bodies which Ra tells us must survive in order to evolve our 4D bodies. Another interpretation might be the fact that if Ra did intend artifact to mean man-made objects, that they are 3rd density in the way that we use them. As you pointed out, a structure is not inherently 3rd density, we endow it with 3rd density vibrations ourselves. Once we're operating in full 4D, we won't be able to do that any more. Quote:I'm curious if, in that session, the punctuation of a colon would not be appropriate after 'artifacts'. You still have the tape? From the sessions I've listened to, it sounds like there's a colon after every word! RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - βαθμιαίος - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 09:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I've read 3 of his books, which are compelling. I'm positive Monroe had read the Ra Material, By the way. Especially if you read Ultimate Journey. Interesting. I guess that means we can't rely on him as independent witness to confirm Ra's statements, then. (06-10-2011, 09:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm not buying that when Ra says 'artifacts', they are referring to man-influenced, 1st-density formations. That is, given that these structures don't carry a 'special energy' that binds their molecules according to 3rd density principles. They're bound and maintained according to 1st density, physical / chemical principles (of course). Well, it's kind of woo-woo, but maybe the thought form that shaped the artifact continues to shape it until it can't, and when it can't then the first-density materials of which it's made revert to an unshaped form. (06-10-2011, 09:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm curious if, in that session, the punctuation of a colon would not be appropriate after 'artifacts'. You still have the tape? Yes, I still have it. I just checked, and I'd have to say no, it's definitely the first word of a series. (06-10-2011, 10:17 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I interpereted the concept of artifacts much the same way you did. I'm not sure how there can be a cataclysm that wipes out all of our 3D structures but not our 3D bodies which Ra tells us must survive in order to evolve our 4D bodies. The question Don asked had to do with the conditions at the time of the full activation of fourth density and the movement into potentiation of third density. At that point there apparently won't be third density bodies on this planet, either. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 11:59 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: The question Don asked had to do with the conditions at the time of the full activation of fourth density and the movement into potentiation of third density. At that point there apparently won't be third density bodies on this planet, either. Ra clearly describes a period of evolution from 3D bodies to 4D bodies through bisexual reproduction/birthing. I must ask, when the last transitional body dies and there are only 4D bodies left, do all the buildings magically disappear? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - βαθμιαίος - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 12:03 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Ra clearly describes a period of evolution from 3D bodies to 4D bodies through bisexual reproduction/birthing. Quite so. However, are those evolutionary bodies 3D or 4D? Perhaps they can survive fourth density energies in a way that "normal" 3D bodies cannot. (06-10-2011, 12:03 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I must ask, when the last transitional body dies and there are only 4D bodies left, do all the buildings magically disappear? It depends how you interpret "artifacts" in the quote above, but it may be that the buildings and 3D bodies are long gone by that point since the transitional bodies can withstand 4D energies while 3D bodies cannot. "63.13 This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility." -------- If you feel a strong mission to help heal the earth in the upcoming years, perhaps you, yourself, are in a transitional or dual body. RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Raman - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 12:45 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(06-09-2011, 09:37 PM)Raman Wrote: Nothing else of 3D will survive, including these bodies we inhabit. Why would we want to look out at our beautiful new earth, with a face of eternal Springtime, only to see horrible buildings and structures that have polluted our earth mother's surface during our 3D existence?Not sure where you got that notion. A moderate increase in consciousness, say 10%, and a lifting of the veil would be enough to solve what would become mere aesthetic problem. When people work together, and what needs to be done becomes more apparent, things tend to get done. No 'cleansing' apocalyptic mythos required. You just gotta add a grain of salt to some of the oral traditions or mystic hyper-intuitive prognostications. That is not my quote. I would appreciate if you fix that. However, I will take the opportunity to ask vbaba <again>: How 3d can be destroyed but 2d left intact? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - 3DMonkey - 06-10-2011 set phasers to 3d vaporize RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 12:13 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(06-10-2011, 12:03 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Ra clearly describes a period of evolution from 3D bodies to 4D bodies through bisexual reproduction/birthing. I had always understood the evolutionary bodies to be the same transitional bodies which are incarnating today, which Q'uo describes as being 3D in nature of incarnation. I figured they would evolve more and more to handle 4D energy, mentally and physically, the evolution "shedding" their 3D nature in a sense. It's always seemed logical to me that for our bodies to evolve from 3D to 4D, 3D bodies would persist (albeit less and less) until we reached full 4D evolution, when the last remnants of 3D bodies will have evolved away. Quote:(06-10-2011, 12:03 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I must ask, when the last transitional body dies and there are only 4D bodies left, do all the buildings magically disappear? Pure 3D bodies will be gone within a generation, as Q'uo has stated that all children born now have dual bodies. The way these 3D bodies leave will be through natural 3D death. The transitional bodies alive today will have to continue on to reproduce, to continue the evolution and provide 4D bodies. 63.28 Questioner: Then are these entities of whom we have spoken, the third-density harvestable who have been transferred, the ones who then will, by bisexual reproduction, create the fourth-density complexes that are necessary? Ra: I am Ra. The influxes of true color green energy complexes will more and more create the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily complexes is that of the density of love. The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence. So, a harvest which physically removes the 3D bodies of those alive today would have be selective in the removal, allowing the transitional bodies to continue on. I find it a lot more logical to assume that these pure 3D bodies will die of "natural causes," but that is only my opinion. But Q'uo has also described these transitional bodies as being 3D in incarnation, at least for now. As I said, I always figured the awareness of 4D would evolve along with the bodies, and full 4D incarnations starting with full 4D bodies, after evolution. Quote:If you feel a strong mission to help heal the earth in the upcoming years, perhaps you, yourself, are in a transitional or dual body. I have sought and pondered long and hard on this subject, and come to a conclusive belief that I indeed am in a dual activated body, though the reasons stretch far beyond my feelings of purpose within this incarnation. I believe that I am actually harvested of this planetary influence, though there is some gray area regarding when entities of Earth were actually starting to be harvested. This doesn't shake my belief though. There is a Q'uo session with resonates strongly with me in describing the plights of a transitional body as being no different from those of a Wanderer or a 3D soul, being that I have incarnated into a 3D incarnation and must polarize to continue to incarnate into transitional or 4D bodies. (06-10-2011, 12:39 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: set phasers to 3d vaporize Brilliant ![]() RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - unity100 - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 09:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm not buying that when Ra says 'artifacts', they are referring to man-influenced, 1st-density formations. That is, given that these structures don't carry a 'special energy' that binds their molecules according to 3rd density principles. They're bound and maintained according to 1st density, physical / chemical principles (of course). they are tied to thought forms in time/space. or, anything in time/space that has ties to them. the same mechanism that is behind magic usage through objects, charging etc. (06-10-2011, 12:47 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: So, a harvest which physically removes the 3D bodies of those alive today would have be selective in the removal, allowing the transitional bodies to continue on. I find it a lot more logical to assume that these pure 3D bodies will die of "natural causes," but that is only my opinion. 'electrical fields of 3d bodies fail when aware of 4d in full' comes to mind ... RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Raman - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 01:03 PM)unity100 Wrote:(06-10-2011, 09:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm not buying that when Ra says 'artifacts', they are referring to man-influenced, 1st-density formations. That is, given that these structures don't carry a 'special energy' that binds their molecules according to 3rd density principles. They're bound and maintained according to 1st density, physical / chemical principles (of course). Would that apply to 3d "artifacts" as well? INcluding not only a pair of shoes...but a nuclear plant? RE: 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview) - Bring4th_Austin - 06-10-2011 (06-10-2011, 01:03 PM)unity100 Wrote: 'electrical fields of 3d bodies fail when aware of 4d in full' comes to mind ... That's a pretty creepy thought...waking up one morning and the only people left functioning are dual bodies entities...the rest of the population reverting to 2D functions... But, the transitional bodies are not aware of 4D in full either. Until pure 4D bodies are evolved, complete awareness of 4D would cause electrical incompatibilities no matter what. |