(12-11-2011, 11:47 AM)Pickle Wrote: It is a natural use of a sensory system. Some folks will have senses that work better, or is more (sense)itive than others.

Kind of like some can see auras while most can't. That is not a symptom. Rather the "not" sensing is a symptom of modern civilized lifestyle/belief.

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I guess from your viewpoint "seeing" is also a symptom. And that any input through a sense organ is classified as a symptom?


As an experiment place your bed against a wall with your fridge or main power in on the other side of that wall.

Then ask yourself (why the electromagnetic field of her body is not powerful enough to mitigate the effects of the negative external fields)

(12-11-2011, 12:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 11:47 AM)Pickle Wrote: It is a natural use of a sensory system. Some folks will have senses that work better, or is more (sense)itive than others.

Kind of like some can see auras while most can't. That is not a symptom. Rather the "not" sensing is a symptom of modern civilized lifestyle/belief.

I see no reason to take such an EXTREME view on all these things. Golly gee willikers, Pickle! We can't eat the food. We can't drink the water. We can't breathe the air. EMFs are killing us. Fluoride is killing us. GMOs are killing us. Pharmaceuticals are killing us. Charred burgers are killing us. It goes on FOREVER!

1. We are still here.

2. The point of physicality isn't to "live forever".

(12-10-2011, 11:06 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:Interestingly, one of the raw vegan gurus recently ran an article in which he totally blasted the enzyme philosophy.

Interesting. Do you have a link?

(12-11-2011, 04:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

***THIS JUST IN***

My partner relates to me the story of a man in her yoga class today. 17 years ago he was diagnosed with colon cancer. Had it removed. Since then, he has been living a "pure" lifestyle, including a "clean" diet and practicing yoga regularly.

He just found out that the cancer returned.

What do you guys think? EMFs? Not enough colonics? Or maybe did he never take care of the underlying problem, thinking that diet, exercise, and faith would be sufficient?

What does that say for his guru or practitioner who may have encouraged him to take on such an attitude?

(12-11-2011, 05:21 PM)Diana Wrote: Only he is responsible for his health. Whatever a guru or practitioner says, he is the one who makes the decisions about his health, and that must require his participation, not his blind following of said advice.

(12-11-2011, 01:05 PM)Diana Wrote: A very advanced physical being from an advanced balanced society (one that has mastered and moved on from our technological challenges, and who considers all life forms in its construction) visits us. What might this entity think of the way we live, considering the items mentioned above, and in this thread (meat, broadcasting frequencies, etc.)?

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

Quote:Questioner: Is that the secret of longevity and perhaps even immortality or a long life of the body, a conscious spiritual … meditation or … of the spiritual mind and the DNA genetic code …

That which is long life is desired by some among your peoples. But in your present vibration it is not truly desirable. There will come a time when longevity is natural. Efforts to precede this natural moment by means of scientific and technological advances may perhaps be fascinating and inspiring to your peoples. However, when longevity is a desirable tool, which you may use to good effect, learning and growing throughout a longer incarnation, the exterior vibrations will of necessity have, shall we say, ameliorated and wars and violence and other negative aspects will have lessened in their impact on the planetary vibration. The efforts of single individuals to have lives on the planet which do not take into account the utter negativity of the planetary vibration are lives, which, shall we say, are those of a hermit and may not be as rewarding to the progress of the soul. However, we realize that we are not addressing ourselves to your question, but it is not a question that we can answer simply.

Quote:Questioner: (Inaudible).

I am aware of your question, my sister. First, let us elucidate the question for the one known as [Ra] for his description of longevity as we understood it included not nearly a long life as we now know it, but that which you would term an impossibly long life, such as one which would span two centuries or more. And, indeed, we enjoy a longer life than you by many centuries, for our whole sense of time and space have changed, as we have entered new vibratory patterns. Now secondly, let us address ourselves to your question of a normally long life being perhaps not desirable.

May we say to you that lives, as you know them, whether long or short, by any standards, are in a certain pattern, which you have chosen before you enter into the pattern. As a result of going from the beginning to the end of this pattern, your spirit hopes that it will have learned certain lessons, and thus have improved and defined the vibration which is its essence in the sphere of eternity in which all of you truly glow.

When one contemplates and then does that which is known as suicide, one cuts short before the natural end the time of learning, and more often than not the lessons which that soul had hoped to learn had not been learned. Consequently, it is often so that rather than alleviating karma, the action of taking one’s life adds more karma to the burden which is already carried and which you are trying to discharge by the expression which is the lifetime which you are now living.

Thus, when you reenter incarnation you have not only the original lesson to relearn but an additional severity to that lesson which is brought on by that pain which you have caused to those who you have previously left. Many times this type of karma is alleviated by the total forgiveness of those whom you have hurt.

However, it is simply desirable to live until it is time for your lesson to be through, for your burdens to be laid down. It is a truism, we are aware, but we must repeat that you are not given those things which you cannot bear. Thus, working through what is difficult when you finished with a lifetime at its natural end, whether it be short or long, you can then go on and learn other perhaps more agreeable lessons in other perhaps more agreeable spheres or vibrations.

If you may think of your existence as having a natural rhythm and an ongoing purpose, perhaps it will be easier for you to understand that suicide, as you call it, is a stoppage of that rhythm in an arbitrary manner. Instead, it is desirable to proceed with the rhythm of your existence, always seeing the many lessons that are about you and letting the realization of love flow into you from the Father. If you can keep these realizations before you, your life in this realm and all others will be enjoyable and fruitful. Does this answer your question?

(12-11-2011, 12:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Pickle... believe whatever you want. No... actually I don't, and wouldn't sleep with my head near a strong EMF, as comes from an alarm clock or electrical outlet. No, I wouldn't spend hours a day with a cell phone pressed up against my skull.

I am actually well aware of the real risks of EMF. I stand by my statement. If a person's system goes all haywire because they are standing near their home computer... that is a symptom of the body. Not the computer. Sitting in a large computer lab all night under fluorescent lights writing a term paper is a different scenario.

I see no reason to take such an EXTREME view on all these things. Golly gee willikers, Pickle! We can't eat the food. We can't drink the water. We can't breathe the air. EMFs are killing us. Fluoride is killing us. GMOs are killing us. Pharmaceuticals are killing us. Charred burgers are killing us. It goes on FOREVER!

1. We are still here.

2. The point of physicality isn't to "live forever".

That's pretty much my view in a nutshell. I honor and respect your path. But I do not choose it.

What I -am- choosing is to no longer engage with you on health or scientific matters. You are apparently convinced that you "already know" everything there is to know on fringe health topics, and have arrived at the unshakeable conclusion that the most EXTREME reaction to all these things is the appropriate response.

(12-11-2011, 02:30 PM)_X7 Wrote: Pickle, regarding the frequency of power grids....

(12-11-2011, 04:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

***THIS JUST IN***

My partner relates to me the story of a man in her yoga class today. 17 years ago he was diagnosed with colon cancer. Had it removed. Since then, he has been living a "pure" lifestyle, including a "clean" diet and practicing yoga regularly.

He just found out that the cancer returned.

What do you guys think? EMFs? Not enough colonics? Or maybe did he never take care of the underlying problem, thinking that diet, exercise, and faith would be sufficient?

What does that say for his guru or practitioner who may have encouraged him to take on such an attitude?

(12-10-2011, 09:32 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(12-09-2011, 01:26 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Well, I certainly might be making things up in my mind about that. I will say that it appears to me that if I said the sky was blue, certain individuals would feel compelled to call it green. Not you. Also, I am saying this in the broader context of this forum, rather than just this specific thread.

Really?

(12-11-2011, 01:05 PM)Diana Wrote: Here is a scenario to ponder:

A very advanced physical being from an advanced balanced society (one that has mastered and moved on from our technological challenges, and who considers all life forms in its construction) visits us. What might this entity think of the way we live, considering the items mentioned above, and in this thread (meat, broadcasting frequencies, etc.)?

(12-11-2011, 04:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: My partner relates to me the story of a man in her yoga class today. 17 years ago he was diagnosed with colon cancer. Had it removed. Since then, he has been living a "pure" lifestyle, including a "clean" diet and practicing yoga regularly.

He just found out that the cancer returned.

What do you guys think? EMFs? Not enough colonics? Or maybe did he never take care of the underlying problem, thinking that diet, exercise, and faith would be sufficient?

What does that say for his guru or practitioner who may have encouraged him to take on such an attitude?

(12-11-2011, 08:26 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: ...

Quote:So you just never know what's going on behind the scenes. To assume that this man's 'healthy' diet and lifestyle failed him, is to oversimplify. His diet might not have been so healthy, and/or there might have been many other factors we don't know about.

(12-11-2011, 08:26 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: There could be any number of explanations. There is no magic cure for cancer and it's impossible to analyze it even with full knowledge, much less so with nearly zero knowledge.

(12-11-2011, 09:59 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I never said that diet and exercise failed- I said that it wasn't enough.

(12-11-2011, 09:59 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: True, I don't actually know the particular details of this man's story. I was just using it as an example of a case where somebody ate right, exercised, and still got cancer.

(12-11-2011, 09:59 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: The broader context of sharing the story was in the discussion of the potential for harm which comes out of taking an oversimplistic approach to health, and the potential for incurred karma on the part of those who self-righteously steer others down the wrong path where their health is concerned.

(12-11-2011, 09:59 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: But no, I am not so much willing to accept recurrence of colon cancer in a 40-ish year old man to be a "success".

(12-11-2011, 05:37 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 05:21 PM)Diana Wrote: Only he is responsible for his health. Whatever a guru or practitioner says, he is the one who makes the decisions about his health, and that must require his participation, not his blind following of said advice.

What if the guru/practitioner used misinformation, coercion, or manipulative sales tactics in order to "convert" this person to their distorted views? No karma incurred there? Clear conscience for those folks? Any negative effect on polarization, do you think?

(12-11-2011, 11:36 AM)Pickle Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 06:03 AM)_X7 Wrote: The struggle for human-energizing has always been the largest effect of all visible effects in the occupied world.

Isn't it one of our largest catalysts by design? I guess that means it is also one of our biggest choices.

Quote:The plain old fashioned 60 hz (or cycles per second) bears evidence of Tesla's origination of that frequency choice.

This is what we are taught, not necessarily the truth. 60hz was chosen after Tesla was long gone, not because it was his chosen frequency, and quite a higher frequency than what he normally had in use. Other countries still run on 50hz with no background on the origin or reason as to the why. History is so convoluted as a way to keep us in the dark.

23.6 Wrote:Questioner: Then at this time you did not contact them. Can you answer the same question that I just asked with respect to your next attempt to contact the Egyptians?

Ra: I am Ra. The next attempt was prolonged. It occurred over a period of time. The nexus, or center, of our efforts was a decision upon our parts that there was a sufficient calling to attempt to walk among your peoples as brothers.

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The first, the Great Pyramid, was formed approximately 6,000 of your years ago. Then, in sequence, after this performing by thought of the building or architecture of the Great Pyramid using the more, shall we say, local or earthly material rather than thought-form material to build other pyramidal structures. This continued for approximately 1,500 of your years.

Quote:Imhotep (sometimes spelled Ȧmhotep or Ii-em-Hotep, Egyptian ii-m-ḥtp) is the first architect and physician known by name to written history. He is also considered to be the world's first known genius. As the Pharaoh Djosèr's Vizier, he designed the Pyramid of Djzosèr at Saqqara in Egypt around 2630-2611 BC, during the 3rd Dynasty.

Imhotep also served as chancellor to the pharaoh and high priest of the sun god Ra at Heliopolis. He was said to be a son of Ptah. He was revered as a genius and was showered with titles. His full list is 'Chancellor of the King of Lower Egypt, First after the King of Upper Egypt, Administrator of the Great Palace, Hereditary nobleman, High Priest of Heliopolis, Builder, Sculptor and Maker of Vases in Chief'. Imhotep is credited as the founder of Egyptian medicine, and as author of the Edwin Smith Papyrus, detailing cures, ailments and anatomical observations. The Papyrus Edwin Smith was probably written around 1700 BC but may perhaps go back to texts written around 1000 years earlier.

Two thousand years after his death, his status was raised to that of a god. Imhotep became the god of medicine and healing. He was linked to Asclepius by the Greeks. In artwork he is linked with other gods (a common practice in Ancient Egypt) such as Hathor, Maàt, and Amenhotep son of Hapu (another deified architect).

Imhotep Wrote:Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we shall die.

(12-08-2011, 12:22 AM)Oceania Wrote: ok well they went straight to showing pictures of stuff i dun wanna see. Monica you shoulda warned me. i'm really sensitive to that. even hearing about stuff like that can make me depressed for weeks. all animals are my friends, it's like seeing your best friend in such conditions. but worse cuz it's animals. but i hope it works.

(12-14-2011, 03:07 AM)Whitefeather Wrote: I agree with Oceania. I was going through the thread and Monica, you said it was 'amazing' and 'wow' so I clicked on the link. Huuu! It is a video only for insensitive people. I know that some people may think that it is a good thing to getting used to be insensitive but I disagree with that ... Don't watch if you are like me. I am very shocked and upset by the pictures in this and now, I am depressed too. I know what is happening in the meat industry but watching it again is a totally different experience than being aware of it.

Quote:The former president, known for his love of burgers, barbecue and junk food, has gone from a meat lover to a vegan, the strictest form of a vegetarian diet. He says he eats fruits, vegetables and beans, but no red meat, chicken or dairy.
Clinton, 65, who had quadruple bypass surgery in 2004 and then stent surgery in 2010, is following this eating plan to improve his heart health.
He talked about his plant-based diet last year, saying he lost 24 pounds on it for his daughter Chelsea's wedding, and he chatted about it again recently on TV, drawing national attention to the potential health benefits of this type of diet...

...Clinton says he was inspired to follow a low-fat, plant-based diet by several doctors, including Dean Ornish, author of Dr. Dean Ornish's Program for Reversing Heart Disease. Ornish has been working with Clinton as one of his consulting physicians since 1993.
After Clinton's angioplasty and stents in 2010, Ornish says he contacted the former president "and I indicated that the moderate diet and lifestyle changes he'd made didn't go far enough to prevent his heart disease from progressing, but our research proved that more intensive changes could actually reverse it," he says.
"Heart disease is a food-borne illness," says Caldwell Esselstyn, Jr., author of Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease. He's in a documentary about the benefits of a plant-based diet, Forks Over Knives, out next week on DVD. He advocates going "cold turkey from the typical fatty, meat-laden, dairy-rich Western diet" to this kind of plan.

Quote:More than 50 years ago, scientists painted the skin of mice with extracts from heated animal muscle and found that the extracts were carcinogenic, but the research went no further.
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Of the list of toxic substances known to be produced during cooking, the most important may well be the AIAs. Also referred to as heterocyclic amines, these compounds are potent mutagens produced at normal cooking temperatures in beef, chicken, pork, and fish when fried, broiled, or grilled over an open flame. The pan residues that remain after frying also have high mutagenic activity, indicating that meat gravies can be a source of exposure. Our research suggests that smoke from cooking muscle meats is mutagenic as well, but any such air exposure is likely to be far less than that from eating the cooked food. Other foods, such as cheese, tofu, and meats derived from organs other than animal muscle, have very low or undetectable levels of AIA mutagens after they are cooked.

(12-17-2011, 01:29 AM)zackw419 Wrote: I was a vegetarian for about 4 months straight. I felt lighter physically and spiritually but also had a lower energy level as well as a lower sex drive.

(12-17-2011, 01:29 AM)zackw419 Wrote: ^lesson learned: If your going to be a vegetarian DO IT RIGHT or eat meat...because doing it wrong is just not worth it...If I am going to become one again I will make sure I can consistently pull off eating the right foods.

(12-17-2011, 01:29 AM)zackw419 Wrote: Talk about a dead diet right? not digging it too much but what I am digging is all the muscle I've put back on since eating meat.

(12-17-2011, 01:29 AM)zackw419 Wrote: I have a way better energy level now. But I feel heavy and my thoughts seem more prone to becoming violent (in certain situations) now that I am eating all this meat again.

(12-17-2011, 01:29 AM)zackw419 Wrote: So right now since I dont see myself being able to pull off a proper vegetarian diet in the future...I will strive (for now) to eat maybe 80% veggies 20% meat (possibly 70/30). My meat source would, ideally, only be fish...I might do chicken as well.

(12-17-2011, 01:29 AM)zackw419 Wrote: I think a good mindset is: if you can't kill the animal yourself...don't eat it.

A/Q Session 26 Wrote:Aaron: I want to speak to this term "harvest" and what it means. This is a word that is often used. Perhaps you flinch at the term and your energy quails because the word implies force to you, in that someone goes out into a field and harvests the grain and fruit to take it for its own, as if the grain or fruit were being used or manipulated. Think of the small energy than moved into that stalk of wheat and into that apple or bean. When energy moves into that which is used on this plane as food for others, its greatest will, at whatever level it is conscious, is to learn how to offer its energy to others in becoming part of the greatness that is universal consciousness. When you pick and apple from a tree and express gratitude for the nourishment and sweetness of that fruit, it honors the apple's greatest joy, which is to serve. Its free will is not being violated by being plucked to be eaten. If it did not want to be eaten it would have invented blemishes of one sort or another that would make it unappealing. The richer it appears and the more vibrant its energy fiels, the more it wishes to offer itself and to make itself attractive.

Just so, the evolving human that has become ready to move beyond this density becomes vibrant in its desire to be a tool of the Divine. It becomes radiant in its selflessness. Its greatest wish is to be of service and, as my brother/sister Q'uo just said, to allow its will to be offered to the greater will of teh Infinite, as in saying, "Not my will, but thine be done; not for my glory, but for thine. It only comes through me. I am simply a channel."

Think you of this. Barbara, here, is a channel. She channels this energy that you have come to know as Aaron. Do you not think that I am also a channel? What I offer you does not originate with me. I offer you divine wisdom and tell you nothing that you do no t already know in the depths of your own divine wisdom. I am a channel. I am empty. When you come to what Q'uo has referred to as the harvest, it is not that your being is snatched up with no accord to your own will, but that the greatest gift that you can offer is to allow your energy and light to evolve to the point that you are ready to move beyond the limits that you have previously believed. From thence you may be harvested into the next step of your evolution.

It may help you to think of it with this image. WIthin each being is an intense light, unlimited in its power. Around each being are many layers of shielding, like and onion. Place that intense light in the center of the onion With each giving up of fear and with each bit of clarity of the truth of that inner light, layers of the so-called onion fall away. You become translucent. At a certain point you emit so much light that you are ready for the so-called harvest. You are ready to move into another plane where further layers may fall away. With higher densities, more and more layers of shielding and separation fall away until finally that brilliant and intense inner core is exposed and offered into the service of the Infinite, of God.

What is this harvest about on the earth plane? I spoke yesterday of the move of Earth from third to fourth density. In fourth density you are part of an energy group. You are not forced into that and not fixed in your placement, but desirous of that deepening contact. In a sense, the connection between you this weekend is rehearsal for fourth density. When you let your barriers down and allow yourself to be both more telepathic with each other and very open in your energy fields, with thinned shielding, you are practicing for fourth-density experience. The illusions of separation will fall away.

Fourth-density Earth may appear not much different in some outward aspects. There will be seas and mountains and forests. Yet, there will be a new understanding of the deepest interconnection of all that is, both upon the Earth and outward from the Earth. You will be co-creators with the soil in the creation of your crops. If you choose to eat solid food rather than to dwell simply on the light and energy, that which you eat will be thanked graciously. And as Q'uo thanked you for the opportunity you give him to serve, your food will thank you for its opportunity to serve by nourishing your body. You will understand your codependence on others in a positive sense. You will not be ashamed of that which arises in you. Since there will be no shame over the arisings of the emotional body nor any need to fling those emotions on others, you will deeply share your joys and sorrows, much as fourth-density energy does not.

Fourth-density energy now is fully telepathic within its group. The learning of compassion is so profound because you fully experience the unshielded emotions of another, as its pains, its sorrows, and its joys. You no longer are limited to learning from your own experience but become able to learn from everyone's experience. And because you no longer guard your own experience out of shame, you offer it to others for a source for their learning. This is what Earth is in the process of becoming.

People as me, "Is this really going to happen? What about the arising negativity I see on the earth plane?" My dear ones, if you fear and hate that negativity, you simply add to to it and it will become the source of your own stagnation. This process is much in the ways a child learns lessons in school and asks, "Am I ready to go on?" If he or she does not study for an examination and does not pass the test, he may not go on. The focus is not on progression but on understanding. The work must be reviewed until it is understood. There is no time pressure. If you continue to return fear to fear and hatred to hatred, you have not understood and the work will be repeated until it is understood. The Earth will continue to offer you catalyst. When enough of you understand the lessons and can return kindness and love to fear by allowing fear to become a catalyst for compassion rather than hate, then you will be ready to shed the illusion and move into fourth density.

Many of you will continue on to fourth-density Earth. Others will move back to nonmaterial planes from which you came and find whatever other ways you may choose to serve and to learn. The radiant fruit that you have become will find its next place in the universe, which is the next place to serve, to grow, and to love, I would like here to pass the microphone back to Q'uo. That is all.

Quote:I spoke yesterday of the move of Earth from third to fourth density.

(12-17-2011, 01:29 AM)zackw419 Wrote: Talk about a dead diet right? not digging it too much but what I am digging is all the muscle I've put back on since eating meat. I have a way better energy level now. But I feel heavy and my thoughts seem more prone to becoming violent (in certain situations) now that I am eating all this meat again.

(12-17-2011, 02:08 PM)Diana Wrote: And I remember the rice and beans, rice and beans, in Costa Rica, which I was grateful for being vegetarian. Beautiful country.

17.17 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. We may describe in general what occurred. The technique was that of building upon other negatively oriented information. This information had been given by the one whom your peoples called “Yahweh.” This information involved many strictures upon behavior and promised power of the third-density, service-to-self nature. These two types of distortions were impressed upon those already oriented to think these thought-forms.