(03-30-2012, 11:34 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Why do you think the teachings were misapplied?

(03-30-2012, 11:34 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: The folly is in giving what is asked for before the recipient is mature enough to act responsibly with it.

(03-30-2012, 11:34 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: But have we? That is my question.

(03-30-2012, 12:31 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: "We found that the technology was reserved largely for those with the effectual mind/body distortion of power."

Quote:What if you don't know if the recipient is mature enough? Sometimes the only way to find out is to go through the process.

Quote:Good question. We're still finding out. The fact that we haven't blown ourselves up is a good sign, I think.

(03-30-2012, 12:47 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Right... and so... why then was the technology continued to be given after it was demonstrated that it became subsumed into elitism?

(03-30-2012, 12:47 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Or... why did Ra bust out the "big guns" so to speak right from the start, rather than begin with technologies with less potential for harm- ala the pony analogy?

Quote:14.10 ...It came to our attention that your density was distorted towards, what is called by our distortion/understanding of third density, a premature aging process. We were attempting to aid in giving the mind/body/spirit complexes of third density on your planetary sphere, more of a time/space continuum in one incarnation pattern in order to have a fuller opportunity to learn/teach the Laws or Ways of the primal distortion of the Law of One which is Love.

(03-30-2012, 12:47 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: "What if you don't know" amounts to... a lack of wisdom. If one lacks the wisdom to discern the readiness of the student, perhaps one is not ready to be a teacher.

(03-30-2012, 12:47 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I agree, that is a good sign. The proof is in the pudding. If/when humanity can coexist with beings more advanced than themselves- with neither the desire to worship nor kill them- that will be the proof that we have learned the lesson.

(03-30-2012, 01:25 PM)ShinAr Wrote: ...
the real question is not why we never seem to learn our lesson, but why is there a lesson in the first place?
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(03-30-2012, 01:05 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I don't think they did continue to give the technology after that. What are you referring to?

Quote:There was a line discovered in the relistening project that's relevant here. New material italicized:

Quote:14.10 ...It came to our attention that your density was distorted towards, what is called by our distortion/understanding of third density, a premature aging process. We were attempting to aid in giving the mind/body/spirit complexes of third density on your planetary sphere, more of a time/space continuum in one incarnation pattern in order to have a fuller opportunity to learn/teach the Laws or Ways of the primal distortion of the Law of One which is Love.

Quote:I don't think so. The student has free will. The student may be ready but nonetheless use the information in unexpected ways.

Quote:As I understand it, we won't get that chance until after the harvest is complete. I think if we can make it to harvest with an intact planet with a breathable atmosphere, we will have done well.

(03-30-2012, 01:25 PM)ShinAr Wrote: After reading your post Tenet I am asking myself these questions.

Quote:Is there an intelligence behind the design that knows exactly what is being accomplished?

Quote:I wonder what sort of experiences are being learned from on other planets and in other dimensions?

Quote:If this is a place and time of learning, lessons for development, that would explain the same ignorance over and over, wouldn't it.

Quote:the real question is not why we never seem to learn our lesson, but why is there a lesson in the first place?

Quote:What is it within us that causes us to seek after this recognition in so many various ways?

Quote:To judge those learning this lesson by their inability as a whole to learn from it, is to deny the process.

(03-30-2012, 02:19 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: They were here for some thousands of years, right?

Quote:23.10 ...We ask you to remember that we are of the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow. When one has been rescued from that sorrow to a vision of the One Creator, then there is no concept of failure.

Our difficulty lay in the honor/responsibility of correcting the distortions of the Law of One which occurred during our attempts to aid these entities. The distortions are seen as responsibilities rather than failures; the few who were inspired to seek, our only reason for the attempt.

Thus, we would perhaps be in the position of paradox in that as one saw an illumination, we were what you call successful, and as others became more sorrowful and confused, we were failures. These are your terms. We persist in seeking to serve.

(03-30-2012, 03:18 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

Quote:23.10 ...We ask you to remember that we are of the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow. When one has been rescued from that sorrow to a vision of the One Creator, then there is no concept of failure.

Our difficulty lay in the honor/responsibility of correcting the distortions of the Law of One which occurred during our attempts to aid these entities. The distortions are seen as responsibilities rather than failures; the few who were inspired to seek, our only reason for the attempt.

Thus, we would perhaps be in the position of paradox in that as one saw an illumination, we were what you call successful, and as others became more sorrowful and confused, we were failures. These are your terms. We persist in seeking to serve.

(03-30-2012, 02:19 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: In other words... is our Logos still evolving?

Ra, 90:12 Wrote:We are not entirely sure why our Logos and several neighboring Logoi of approximately the same space/time of flowering chose the bipedal, erect form of the second-density apes to invest. It has been our supposition, which we share with you as long as you are aware that this is mere opinion, that our Logos was interested in, shall we say, further intensifying the veiling process by offering to the third-density form the near complete probability for the development of speech taking complete precedence over concept communication or telepathy. We also have the supposition that the so-called opposable thumb was looked upon as an excellent means of intensifying the veiling process so that rather than rediscovering the powers of the mind the third-density entity would, by the form of its physical manifestation, be drawn to the making, holding, and using of physical tools.

Tenet Nosce Wrote:Or were there surprises?

Ra, 90:18 Wrote:It is correct that the Logos designed Its experiment to attempt to achieve the greatest possible opportunities for polarization in third density. It is incorrect that warfare of the types specific to your experiences was planned by the Logos. This form of expression of hostility is an interesting result which is apparently concomitant with the tool-making ability. The choice of the Logos to use the life-form with the grasping thumb is the decision to which this type of warfare may be traced.

(03-30-2012, 03:43 PM)Ankh Wrote:

Ra, 90:18 Wrote:It is correct that the Logos designed Its experiment to attempt to achieve the greatest possible opportunities for polarization in third density. It is incorrect that warfare of the types specific to your experiences was planned by the Logos. This form of expression of hostility is an interesting result which is apparently concomitant with the tool-making ability. The choice of the Logos to use the life-form with the grasping thumb is the decision to which this type of warfare may be traced.

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Quote:Research by UK and American scientists has struck another blow to the theory that Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis) became extinct because they were less intelligent than our ancestors (Homo sapiens). The research team has shown that early stone tool technologies developed by our species, Homo sapiens, were no more efficient than those used by Neanderthals.

Quote:They recreated stone tools known as 'flakes,' which were wider tools originally used by both Neanderthals and Homo sapiens, and 'blades,' a narrower stone tool later adopted by Homo sapiens.

Quote:Yet when the research team analysed their data there was no statistical difference between the efficiency of the two technologies. In fact, their findings showed that in some respects the flakes favoured by Neanderthals were more efficient than the blades adopted by Homo sapiens.

Quote:Now that it is established that there is no technical advantage to blades, why did Homo sapiens adopt this technology during their colonization of Europe?