(05-14-2015, 12:32 PM)Nicholas Wrote:

(05-13-2015, 07:38 PM)Lighthead Wrote: That song is actually better than most pop songs. Just a side note: The video seems to have some MK-ULTRA themes, as a lot of videos nowadays seem to have.

But I can relate to not liking pop music. For me the majority of a song's appeal is the way it sounds. And pop and country songs, while the lyrics may be deep, the way the actual music sounds to the ear doesn't resonate on a very deep level with me. My favorite music mostly doesn't even have lyrics (just straight up electronic music), so if the music itself sounds "shallow" then you lost me with the majority of it. My ear really is geared to deciphering just the way the sound feels to the ear. It might also help that I'm into actually making music from time to time.

MK-ULTRA themes!? I profoundly disagree Lighthead. In fact I would suggest that this song is aimed at indigo children, or the third wave of volunteers as described by Delores Cannon in her book "The Three Waves of Volunteers". Alesso has a key hung from his neck and he is entering into an asylum in order to free the children that are being held prisoner. Each have power's that hint towards 4th density work, yet are seen to be a danger to the public, hence being held captive in said asylum. 

My point was not all pop is shallow and by definition, in part, lyrics are an essential component for a song to be widely accepted. The other aspect is non-complex chords and melodies in a 'major' key. Perhaps its simplicity is what you find uninteresting?

Also, working for the light can involve entering into seemingly negative places in the attempt to connect with those that remain asleep, thus somewhat enamoured by the allure of our loyal opposition. 

We do have a little in common on the electronic music taste as I have experience as a part time DJ playing House in bars & clubs, learning the craft of how to read moods and create an emotional journey. I only ever made a few bootlegs though so cannot claim to having made my own as yet. I think I have derailed this thread enough, it might be more appropriate to create one that explores popular culture in the musical context.

Finally though I do completely agree that in the aggregate pop music lacks authentic expression. A classically trained pianist and electronic music producer friend insightfully said to me once "Mainstream music is 90% marketing and 10% creativity". 

(05-11-2015, 04:26 PM)Aion Wrote: Just a general comment out to the thread in regards to defining the effects of particular types of music for all individuals. I firmly believe that the interpretation of sound and music is entirely an individual affair.

Now, I do believe that certain sounds, harmonics, chords and tones are certainly tuned to creating particular effects and emotions. Any suggestion that any particular music in and of itself is 'bad' is asinine to me.

The only exception I would make is ritual music or music which has been made literally with positive or negative intentions, consciously and on purpose. In this regard I can contend there are some metal bands who are like this but it has nothing to do with it being metal and everything to do with the energy the individuals are putting in to their expressions. You could also have classical music that is full of negative intention if that's the force that was put in by the individual.

In most cases, if not all, however, I view music as expressive, and my reception of it as impression.

(05-13-2015, 04:41 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: The structure of prog metal for exemple is very based of classical music.

Lots of classical pieces would be amazing with a metal sound.

(05-11-2015, 12:02 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: IMO if you take away every negative emotions that could be poured into music it becomes dull and mindless.

I do get why you have a problem with harsh vocals, I used not to be able to stand this guy's voice and only listened for a few years to their album that had no growl until I ended starting to appreciate it more and more because others made me listen to the other albums. I used to see his voice as demonic but now even the growl are somewhat angelic. Are demons not angels afterall?

Here's one song that I love from by far my favorite metal band. Their last two albums don't include any growl and have a very different genre, but they're still dark in themselves.

(08-04-2015, 11:46 PM)tamaryn Wrote: Six pages of this and I have never seen this thread. Wow!

(08-07-2015, 08:35 AM)BlatzAdict Wrote: Our cabal what do they do, they take SYMBOLS, and make them seem EVIL, by turning them upside down... the star becomes the pentagram, the cross becomes the upturned cross, the swastika inner strength becomes a symbol of racism.


We need to take back these symbols and declare metal is not evil, beethoven would have loved metal!
metal is the classical music of today.

(05-22-2018, 06:15 PM)loostudent Wrote: I used to listen to a lot of heavy metal (mostly progressive) when I was younger. I guess I needed something to awake my masculine energy, courage, readiness to protect and fight, decisiveness, passionate emotions ... I was very very shy. My life was also less stressful, I had more free time ... Now I need more peaceful and sunny music to calm my nerves.

I still listen to some metal and rock. Darkness and agression is typical for this genre but I rather listen to bands that have a positive vibe or address stregth and power from a different perspective. Everytime I hear "Child in Time" I feel the shivers. Or music of Angra (when Matos was in the band), Shadow Gallery, Dream Theater, Rush, Neal Morse ...

https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=15647

(07-01-2019, 10:13 PM)binahtarot Wrote: /.../ some of you might have heard from this band but please take a moment to read the lyrics of this song...

DIMMU BORGIR - GATEWAYS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMi6Rzb1EfY

The core principle of freedom
Is the only notion to obey
The formula of evolution and sin
Leading the way

/.../

Quote:HailsWebzine.com: Many people automatically perceive black metal bands such as your own to be "Satanic" or rooted in the occult practices, etc. Your own previous statements on this and your lyrics have always been interesting. But today, what are your own ideologies on life, death, spirituality, and the "religion" thing? I have heard DIMMU referred to as "spiritual". What to you does spirituality mean or entail, how has it applied to DIMMU's music and approach from the beginning 'til now, and what is spirituality as opposed to religion? And what do "God" and "Satan" bring to mind for you when you see those words?

Silenoz: Spirituality is individual while as I see religion as not. It's man-made and there to enslave and control the insecure and those who for whatever reason don't dare or have given up the fight. To have a religious belief, or a religious conviction, to me, means you give up that birth given right to be an individual, perhaps on more levels than just the spiritual one. And "satan," or referring to the description "satanic," for me, is being that individual as Satan is a modern metaphor for breaking out and away from what's considered the norm and what's considered safe and controlling. I adhere to progress, not only in scientific terms but also on a personal level and everything that concerns my own being. We wouldn't exist without a continuous ongoing evolution and so the "Luciferian thought" is a way of always lighting the torch in the dark. Without being willing to bring in light we would still be stuck in the dark. To me it's pretty simple if you break it down symbolically. Being religious, to me, also means you leave your responsibilities by the door or over to something else, a higher deity. It doesn't make sense to me. I have never been able to relate to it nor will I ever; it's against common sense. For me, there's no higher spiritual deity than myself and I take pride in taking responsibility, whether it's a physical or a mental one. I don't rule out anything other than the fact that I'm here now and solely in power of myself and my actions and reactions. That pretty much sums up the general idea, my lifecode, whatever you want to call it. There's no one that can tell me to fear or worship any other god than myself.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dimmu-borgir-guitarist-for-me-there-s-no-higher-spiritual-deity-than-myself/

(07-09-2019, 03:38 PM)ttwagneriii Wrote: I will use music induce or augment my mental and therefore physical state.  Simplified: I crank metal when I work out.  Or used to.  Like several in this forum, I wonder if there might just be some metaphysical hooks associated with the darker stuff.   I mean, Ra says we are like a "tone poem" and I wonder if the space-time patterns and frequencies of dark music can have time-space consequences that could change my current resonance pattern?  It would, on the surface, seem like it could.  Can I enjoy the physical state amplification yet avoid any negative messaging or intent that may not be just riding shotgun but the primary driver of the song?   Are there any lower astral, vampire thought forms just waiting for me to open the door and invite them in via this music?  What if I am of strong positive polarization and I don't 'fear' the effect of the negative messaging or dissonant frequencies?  Is that enough?  Can a clean person swim in dirty water without getting dirty and wet?

Dunno.

I have recently started playing chakra clearing, entrainment tones when I work out.  I am no stronger, but no weaker.  I just pump my fist less.  

Losta question marks in that post...

I guess the kernel of the issue is this:  If we permit something that is potentially negatively polarized into our experience, which we are trying to keep positively polarized, will it have any lasting, untoward effects?