(12-01-2011, 06:48 AM)Oceania Wrote: dude really? i wish i didn't have to eat. it's a constant struggle with my issues. does the blender help you digest vegetables and lettuce?

(12-01-2011, 07:09 AM)_X7 Wrote: Men eagerly displayed their rifles in pickup-truck rear-windows and judged other men by the size of their deer antlers.

(12-01-2011, 12:19 PM)Pickle Wrote: Then again, while driving through Eugene Oregon I pulled up behind a lifted truck with a gun rack and a female driver. What was in that gunrack was a 3-4ft long double ended dildo.

(12-01-2011, 12:57 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: I don't think eating meat is bad, we where meant to, without our history of eating meat our brain wouldn't have developed to the level it is at now.

(12-01-2011, 12:57 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: It's all about the intention. If your intention when eating meat is simply to refuel your body there is no hate involved.

(12-01-2011, 12:57 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: If being a veggie is a catalyst for you and it is your will at this time then by all means follow it, just don't preach it as a necessity for spiritual matters as that would be extremely hypocritical of the spiritual journey itself.

(12-01-2011, 12:57 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: Nothing tastier then a juicy steak melting in your mouth.

(12-01-2011, 09:58 AM)Ankh Wrote: I think that TN meant why having discussions in this forum if one finds the material offered by L/L Research unreliable? This indicates that he does find it reliable.

(12-01-2011, 09:58 AM)Ankh Wrote: Ah, but sometimes people have discussions in order to convince other selves about the "wrongness" in other's thoughs, and "rightness" in their own. No? =)

(12-01-2011, 09:58 AM)Ankh Wrote: I would like to add to what TN wrote, and that is to use the material in order to convince other people of wrongness in other's thoughts/opinions and rightness in their own, by quoting Ra/Q'uo. I am not talking about the facts, but interpretations/understandings/opinions. And I am not talking about attempts of understanding where an assistence is asked, but of a clear, already made up, and firm opinion/s, which in some cases are underlined with quote/s that are digged out from archives in order to establish the "rightness" in their own thought/s.

(12-01-2011, 02:32 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(12-01-2011, 09:58 AM)Ankh Wrote: I think that TN meant why having discussions in this forum if one finds the material offered by L/L Research unreliable? This indicates that he does find it reliable.

Can you explain what you mean by "reliable"?

Quote:If the material isn't to be used to back up one's views, then what is the point of having a discussion based on study of the material?

(12-01-2011, 02:48 PM)Ankh Wrote: What I said is that I wished to add to what TN wrote in his post, and that is the material to be used when convincing people of their "wrongness" and it's own "rightness" when discussing opinions/understandings/interpretations.

(12-01-2011, 05:43 PM)Pickle Wrote: As I walk in to work, on the news, "US lifts ban on eating horses".

I didn't know it was banned.

(11-28-2011, 04:33 PM)Diana Wrote: Either you have not read my posts, or you grossly misunderstand them.

I have posited many logical reasons for not killing animals for food. And I haven't even said anything about the health problems associated.

Quote:I read the Ra material and found a lot of it very compelling. However, I will not take it as the final word. I do however, consider it. I don't appreciate your accusation regarding me throwing out the L/L Research so I can be right, or that I have an "attitude," or that I am trying to convert the rest of the world.

Diana Wrote:Would you contend that in order to be here on this site that I be a "follower" of Ra? If that is the case, then please, Monica, or some other moderator, ask me to leave and I will do so willingly and with gratitude for my time here.

(12-01-2011, 07:00 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: My apologies for mischaracterizing your view.

(12-01-2011, 07:00 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: The last part that was after the hard return line was meant to not be directed at anybody in particular. Just a general comment, indicated toward all those who might scroll past the words.

(12-01-2011, 07:24 PM)Diana Wrote:

(12-01-2011, 07:00 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: My apologies for mischaracterizing your view.

Thank you .

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(12-01-2011, 07:00 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: The last part that was after the hard return line was meant to not be directed at anybody in particular. Just a general comment, indicated toward all those who might scroll past the words.

I see that now. Sorry for taking it personally when it wasn't meant that way.

(12-01-2011, 03:22 AM)Pickle Wrote: Yeah I ran out of my seed bars so I took beans to work, man I am still feeling the side effects. I also can't eat rice anymore.

I have read that the photon has changed the rate of decay, and that our digestion is affected from this. I have also read somewhere that we need to eat less dense foods, or lighter foods. That could have a few different meanings actually.

(11-28-2011, 05:14 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: ...

(12-01-2011, 08:54 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Oh holy hell I just typed out a whole response that was actually getting somewhere and my window decided to magically refresh itself! Sorry I will have to leave you hanging for the moment...

(12-01-2011, 08:40 PM)Derek Wrote: This thread is SO lower three chakras

(12-01-2011, 08:57 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(12-01-2011, 08:54 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Oh holy hell I just typed out a whole response that was actually getting somewhere and my window decided to magically refresh itself! Sorry I will have to leave you hanging for the moment...

Hurry! I can't stand the suspense!

Carla Wrote:Basically for Q’uo that’s the story. The train’s coming! Get on board and thank the Lord. Everything’s okay, there’s no need to fear.

In a session [recorded] February 13, 2010, Q’uo says, “Third-density Earth is nested within fourth-density Earth. It is not the same Earth as fourth-density Earth. Third-density Earth will not become fourth-density Earth, any more than first-density Earth became second-density Earth, or second-density Earth became third-density Earth. These densities are nested in such a way as to occupy the same area or influence within time/space and space/time held lovingly by the overarching energy field of your Sun.”

This is an important point. The densities nest. We don’t stand here on this very ground and then at the Winter Solstice it turns into fourth-density Earth. It continues being third-density Earth. The fourth-density Earth is of a far more dense nature, denser with light; denser with information, and it nests within the third density, which nests within second [density], which nests within first [density]. All of the densities nest together, sort of like those Russian dolls that, [when] you open the biggest doll, there’s a smaller one, then a smaller one, and a smaller one. But I don’t think it’s [exactly] like that. I think the densities interpenetrate.

Carla Wrote:2012 is a non-event in terms of physicality because it has to do with the planet changing. And that planetary change doesn’t have to do with third density. Fourth density exists, [b]nested over and interpenetrating third density. Third density doesn’t end so the fourth density can take over, that’s not it. Fourth density Earth is a whole different sphere.[/b] You know from your studies in high school [that] there’s so much space between the atoms, there’s plenty of space for things to interpenetrate and plenty of space for a nest of creations.

Carla Wrote:I could; actually I’ve had experience with that that is very eye-opening. The first thing that people think about third density going into fourth is that it’s all going to take place on this one planet. That’s actually not true. [Not true... as in wrong]

The densities are nested in this planetary influence. The Confederation always speaks of planetary influences rather than planets, because in each density the planet is there, it looks the same. But third density is a density of physicality. It’s a density of chemicals. It’s a density of our bodies as chemical distilleries.

Fourth density is a density that is metaphysical in nature; and it could be compared to the inner planes in terms of its make-up. So, it interpenetrates, just as first and second density interpenetrate third density, so that we see first density. We see the rocks, we see the powers: the air, the fire, the rain, the earth. We see second density’s animals and plants. But we’re actually on a third-density Earth, and so we are seeing that which includes all of it. In fourth density we see third, second and first densities, but we see them from a metaphysical point of view. They’re all energy. It’s energy bodies. It’s an energy planet. It’s not the same planet. Third density doesn’t have to clear out to make room for fourth density.

Quote:Mike: Now, you have been talking mainly about the third density there. So the people that move into the fourth density, will they just simply disappear from sight because they are in the higher vibration and be in a level still around the old Earth? Or will they actually be progressing to a new Earth?

Carla: Well the densities are nested. You have all of the densities nested. And once you grasp the fact that there isn’t any such thing as mass, there is just energy fields, you can see how there is plenty of room to nest all of the densities of Earth together and have them inter-penetrate. So we are interpenetrated with the fourth density now. And as our third-density light wanes and dies, fourth density light dawns and becomes brighter and starts its scroll of unwinding progression through that density.

I think that it is out of courtesy to third density that we don’t see the fourth-density entities now. I think that when the last purely third-density entity is gone, we will start seeing fourth density, just like we in third density now see animals and plants in the second density and the elements and powers like earth, air, water, fire in first density. They inter-penetrate and they can be seen. But the Confederation has said quite a few times that there is a matter of basic good manners, which would mean that you do not blow third-density people’s minds by having fourth density appearing, with so much more light, so much more information, etc.

What you are getting in third density, however, is this inter-penetrated fourth-density light; this light of truth that has so much more information and is pretty much, especially as third density light wanes, forcing the people that are working to make their choice, to make their choice. to see everything about themselves that they did not want to see. It is all coming up and demanding to be noticed so that it can be integrated into the self and so that the self can gather itself into the open heart, forgive itself, accept itself and love itself.

(12-01-2011, 10:31 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: But fourth density is another realm altogether. Third density is nested inside of it. That is what the material actually says. This doesn't fall under the category of "what TN thinks it says". I am having a really difficult time comprehending how this could be read differently or interpreted otherwise.

(12-01-2011, 10:48 PM)Diana Wrote: If I understand this, you're saying that the densities are separate (though nested). But aren't all things connected? Electrons "pop in and out of existence." Where do they go, and why do we only sometimes "see" them? Could it be that different dimensions have a flow in-between them? If so, it would make sense that one could aspire to 4D while in 3D and help pull the energy toward it for all or self.

(12-01-2011, 11:16 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Thanks for the thoughtful explanation, Tenet!

(12-01-2011, 11:16 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I don't disagree with the nested densities concept. I just don't see them as solid and separate. I think entities can 'quantum jump' from 1 reality to another. This idea is supported by M Theory and the work of Nassim Haramein, and is explored in the movie What the Bleep (tho some of the science in that movie is a bit shaky.)

Q'uo Wrote:We realize that it is difficult to imagine what shall happen after the year 2012, since that is when third density ends and fourth density begins. And we can only describe to you that which is to occur by asking you to realize that all of the densities of Planet Earth within this octave, one through seven, are nested together and interpenetrate each other, much as the various channels on your television set are nested together, being picked up by the same transmitters and receivers and being available by the turn of the knob from one to another to another.

Indeed, there are those among your peoples who are able to switch from the channel of third density to the channel of fourth density now [we can "switch channels"?!!] , and who can somewhat reliably report on the development of fourth density. Fourth density, indeed, is fully formed at this time. Because it would violate the free will of third-density entities, fourth density chooses not to be seen, not to be visible to the five senses of your human bodies. Yet it is impossible to eliminate or hide the vibrations of fourth density, which are interpenetrating third density at this time.

Indeed, it is not even desirable to attempt to hide or remove these waves upon waves of fourth-density energy. For they are another part of that which is enabling the last of those who would be harvested at the end of third density on Planet Earth to do their work, to proceed, and to polarize to the extent that they shall, with no trouble whatsoever, walk the steps of light that lead into fourth density.

However, third-density Earth has absorbed a great deal of the accumulated neglect that speaks to the racial karma of many, many of those who are upon Planet Earth at this time, who have come to this planet from planets in which their own third density was interrupted by their removing the ability to live a third-density existence on their home planet. In some cases they have even blown their planet to smithereens. In other cases they have simply rendered the planet or, in Atlantis’ case, the continent, uninhabitable.

There has been an ever-increasing energy among those who are incarnate upon Planet Earth at this time towards desiring to retake the reins of stewardship of Gaia, of Mother Earth, and to administer healing and restoration to the planet which has been so loving and so good to them, and has been their home. And this shall continue for some hundreds of your years to be that great work which many [not all] who graduate from third density wish to accomplish before they move on into other lessons.

So, at this time there is a tremendous energy of new life and new growth upon your planet, due to the influx of fourth-density wanderers from your own planet. Those of you who have children know that these children are qualitatively different than the children that perhaps you knew as a child, or those children which have lived here in centuries past. These are children who are able to run third-density energy and light and fourth-density energy and light. Therefore, to them the veil is much thinner, and the truth of love is much more obvious.

So, within these days when 2012 has come and gone, information such as is collected and offered for sharing by this group shall be increasingly helpful because there will be far more interest in the spiritual as opposed to the religious. And those words which speak to the stewardship of the planet, as well as those words which speak of unconditional love and the oneness of all things, shall be as meat and drink to those who are searching for the way to be of maximum service at this time.

Many and many are those who are incarnate at this time as fourth-density wanderers from third density Earth. They have come back for the reason of stewardship to the planet, and within this next five-year period, for the lightening of Planet Earth and the maximization of the harvest of Earth. [This is the "true" purpose of Wanderers, by this I mean as in "true north" of their inner compass]

This is that of which we see as a valuable service, and we are ready to offer our thoughts through instruments such as this one not only until 2012 but as long as there are those entities upon Planet Earth who are devoted to the restoration of the planet and to the healing of the nations.

Shall you in one fine, strong moment be able to change the face of the Earth? Naturally, it is extremely unlikely. It is likely that those who are polarizing towards negative graduation shall continue to hog the news, the headlines, and the avenues of power on this planet. And yet the vast majority of the population of Planet Earth lives without regard to the avenues of power, looking for truth, justice, liberty, beauty and all the fourth-density values within the humble pages of a humbly-lived life.

(12-01-2011, 10:48 PM)Diana Wrote: If I understand this, you're saying that the densities are separate (though nested). But aren't all things connected? Electrons "pop in and out of existence." Where do they go, and why do we only sometimes "see" them? Could it be that different dimensions have a flow in-between them? If so, it would make sense that one could aspire to 4D while in 3D and help pull the energy toward it for all or self.

Q'uo Wrote:The new paradigm is that in which entities share and share alike, in which entities love each other, become harmonious with each other, and create one world of peace and prosperity. That kind of prosperity does not create huge differences in estate but rather tends toward that happy situation of there being enough of the resources that are needed for all entities.

It is not that this new paradigm can be put into effect and a new fourth-density planet be created in third density. That is not what we are saying. What we are saying is that in third density, the focus in terms of the purpose of third density is upon each emerging self-aware spirit or soul becoming able to make the free-will choice between the polarity of service to others and the polarity of service to self through faith alone.

(12-02-2011, 12:33 AM)Ruth Wrote: Tenet Nosce, do you think Q'uo is saying that we should be trying to hog the avenues of power? That doing so would somehow assist with changing the face of the Earth?

Q'uo Wrote:However, that Armageddon, shall we say, has been raging for two hundred of your years already upon the spirit plane and seems to be that which has no probability either way, for the good [in] winning loses its polarity and must fall back to regroup, at which time the negative moves forward to take light. The battle is a delusion of fourth density, which fourth density entities learn for themselves the wisdom or folly of.

Q'uo Wrote:However, you are more than pawns in this game. These entities are not more powerful than you, not in the metaphysical sense. That is, perhaps they might, in some negative manner, cause the entity to cease living, cause the discomfort or the pain, the embarrassment or the humiliation or the fright, but they too are bound by the basic laws of free will and prey largely upon those whose minds are not complex in their thinking processes.

Obi Wan Kenobi Wrote:If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

(12-01-2011, 04:22 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Dog rescues kittens

(12-02-2011, 12:41 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: When contrasted with imprisoning consciousness within the body, and not allowing it to freely depart. Now that is a real crime in my book.

(12-02-2011, 11:59 AM)Pickle Wrote: In reality, outside of the trap of the body, in our level of evolution, we would be like a person without hands or arms. We can travel and move our consiousness around, but we cannot do anything.