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RE: Random Ra Material Questions - andreazzi - 03-19-2015
(03-19-2015, 04:06 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: You know, this suddenly leads me to an interesting question on the topic. Does anyone know if Ra has addressed it?
More or less, could a 5D- or 6D-negative entity deliberately LIE about its orientation, or otherwise conceal its true nature?
They surely can, remember Yahweh? The 5D+ social memory complex from the Confederation, that was responsible for creating a 3D vehicle on Earth based upon Earth's genetic material, and afterwards Orion entities used the same identity to mix many STS oriented material in the fundamentals of our monotheistic religions.
To lie or to cheat is the main tool for negatively oriented entities, since they can't force any other entity to follow them, they must lure, attract, tease.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - andreazzi - 03-19-2015
(03-18-2015, 02:29 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: If you read on, Ra explains further. But yeah, that seems to be the gist. If I'm reading it right, Ra's saying a 5D-neg tried to pretty much rip the spirit of the channeller away from its body and cast it into a dark realm where it can learn about the negative path for awhile. Which would be a 5D-neg's idea of being useful.
(03-18-2015, 04:40 PM)anagogy Wrote: What I sincerely believe Ra meant to communicate is that the 5th density negative orion being was going to lure her away into negative time/space (which, to my personal understanding can only occur if your mind is turned to the negative).
This is also my point of view, but Carla is surely not someone turned to the negative. How can one change polarity like this, against the first distortion, that is, against his/her will? How can someone be spiritually trapped and manipulated like this? Is magic able to break the first law?
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - APeacefulWarrior - 03-19-2015
(03-19-2015, 06:42 AM)andreazzi Wrote: They surely can, remember Yahweh? The 5D+ social memory complex from the Confederation, that was responsible for creating a 3D vehicle on Earth based upon Earth's genetic material, and afterwards Orion entities used the same identity to mix many STS oriented material in the fundamentals of our monotheistic religions.
To lie or to cheat is the main tool for negatively oriented entities, since they can't force any other entity to follow them, they must lure, attract, tease.
I just reread all of Ra's mentions of Yahweh. Interestingly, he was *quite* vague on how exactly the Orion entities went about subverting Yahweh's work. I don't believe he ever directly says one impersonated Yahweh. The story of how they misled Moses is similarly vague, and it's not even clear whose idea the Commandments actually were. Not to mention that "I am what I am" would be a great example of a statement that's technically true -not a lie- but hugely misleading.
I'm speaking much more literally here. Like, if someone found themselves talking to a 5D-neg entity of some form, could it actually say "Trust me, I'm positively-polarized! I loovvee helping other humans! Reeeaallly!!" There's a big difference, I think, between flat-out lying and merely being misleading. Otherwise, the concept of free will would be something of a joke, if a high-density negative could freely lie through its proverbial teeth to less-dense beings.
Like, does a four-year-old believe in Santa Claus of her own free will? I'd say a very strong argument for "no" could be made. She believes in Santa because her parents lied to her, and she's not wise enough to see alternatives to the lies. And the cognitive gap between a 5D or 6D negative and a 3D or 4D human would probably be wider than that between a child and an adult.
Maybe I'll go browse through his comments about the Orion group some more and look for methodology...
EDIT: OK, this is actually a bit funny. The word "lie" only appears once in the Orion discussions (12.15), and Ra is referring to the Crusaders: "the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie." In context, he's talking about the Orion group sending visions of doom to prophets. And, well, that's not exactly a lie - doom could always occur, potentially. Otherwise, he never directly uses the word "lie" in conjunction with the Orion group or other negative-polarities, just words like "manipulate."
This isn't exactly proof that they can't lie openly, but it would seem to suggest to me that they, at least, prefer not to.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - Spaced - 03-19-2015
(03-19-2015, 04:06 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: You know, this suddenly leads me to an interesting question on the topic. Does anyone know if Ra has addressed it?
More or less, could a 5D- or 6D-negative entity deliberately LIE about its orientation, or otherwise conceal its true nature?
In my opinion, while the negative polarity draws it's strength from deception it's not so much in the form of flat out lying, it's more a case of withholding information or speaking in half truths. This is done with the intention of shaping one's perceptions or expectations into a distorted form that still has roots in reality. It's a sort of selective editing of reality to get the results one prefers. That said, I think if you have set up an expectation to receive certain information (trying to get predictions, etc) they can give you false information because through your own free will you have opened yourself up to it.
I don't think the negatively polarized entity could lie about their orientation if confronted directly, this is why the challenge is an important and effective countermeasure in channeling. Though there are loopholes there too if one is not fully cognizant of their own will
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - AnthroHeart - 03-19-2015
I am not fully cognizant of my own free will.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - APeacefulWarrior - 03-19-2015
(03-19-2015, 12:04 PM)Spaced Wrote: In my opinion, while the negative polarity draws it's strength from deception it's not so much in the form of flat out lying, it's more a case of withholding information or speaking in half truths. This is done with the intention of shaping one's perceptions or expectations into a distorted form that still has roots in reality. It's a sort of selective editing of reality to get the results one prefers. That said, I think if you have set up an expectation to receive certain information (trying to get predictions, etc) they can give you false information because through your own free will you have opened yourself up to it.
Yeah, that's basically how I tend to see things as well. Ra also talks quite a bit about them spreading a STS interpretation of the Law of One when they successfully make contact with someone, which would also tend to suggest a fundamental (if very polarized) honesty.
I'm suddenly reminded of a book on chaos magick I was thumbing through out of philosophical curiosity awhile back where the author made certain to say over and over that the Self is the highest form, there is no reigning God, and nothing was restricted. It even gave the advice that someone should deliberately do actions that would be abhorrent to them, just to reinforce the idea there are no actual limits and that they can act as God if they want. Even the material written to appeal to 'white' magic users was phrased almost solely in terms of personal power and working their will.
In retrospect, this feels like exactly what a STS distortion of the Rule of One would look like.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - ricdaw - 03-19-2015
(03-18-2015, 04:40 PM)anagogy Wrote:(03-18-2015, 01:53 PM)andreazzi Wrote:Quote:68.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you tell me what the plan of the fifth-density negatively oriented entity was and how it would have accomplished it and what the results would have been if it had worked?
Ra: I am Ra. The plan, which is ongoing, was to take the mind/body/spirit complex while it was separated from its yellow body physical complex shell, to then place this mind/body/spirit complex within the negative portions of your time/space. The shell would then become that of the unknowing, unconscious entity and could be, shall we say, worked upon to cause malfunction which would end in coma and then in what you call the death of the body. At this point the higher self of the instrument would have the choice of leaving the mind/body/spirit complex in negative sp— we correct— time/space or of allowing incarnation in space/time of equivalent vibration and polarity distortions. Thus this entity would become a negatively polarized entity without the advantage of native negative polarization. It would find a long path to the Creator under these circumstances although the path would inevitably end well.
How could that be? The entity would reverse polarity by some kind of kidnapping?
What I sincerely believe Ra meant to communicate is that the 5th density negative orion being was going to lure her away into negative time/space (which, to my personal understanding can only occur if your mind is turned to the negative). This can happen for brief periods of time, afterall, we all occasionally, and sometimes frequently, find our minds drifting to darker subjects from time to time. What would then happen is a kind of "brain washing". To understand what I mean by "brain washing", I want you to picture the kind of charismatic charlatans that exist on our physical plane and who, furthermore, are masters of their craft, and who skillfully rob people blind by luring them into a false sense of security, and misdirecting attention until they have realized their self service agenda.
If this brainwashing were successful, she would have, in effect, changed polarity, thus becoming a more or less permanent resident of negative time/space. Thus, the next incarnation would, by of free choice, be a space/time of equivalent negative vibration/polarity distortions.
I believe that "negative time/space" is not an attribute or characteristic of a local area of time/space, but is instead a description of the "analogue" space/time (physical world) to which that local time/space is linked. The thing about Earth's astral planes, for instance, is that once you enter them you commit to (probably) a 25,000 year cycle of bouncing back and forth in various reincarnations. The Earth Life School "time/space" could be called "mixed time/space with a slight bias positive" because that describes the Earth. Once you enter a "local" time/space environment, you commit the 25,000 year cycle on its corresponding world (of whatever bias or orientation).
In the case of Carla, had the 5th Density entity been successful, she would have died in trance. But by magical arts, Carla would have been removed to a different post-life time/space locality; not Earth's. There would be no brainwashing involved. Instead, the metaphysical laws of reincarnation would apply to Carla in the new time/space locality, just like they apply to all of us here. She would have to go through a 25,000 year cycle of rebith and death in the new analogue world, which would be a highly polarized negative world. Carla could delay incarnation and stay fully positive there in her new time/space environment, but that would just delay the inevitable metaphysical requirement that she reincarnate locally until she achieved harvest. As a practical matter, she would probably have to switch orientation in order to escape.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - anagogy - 03-19-2015
(03-19-2015, 07:37 AM)andreazzi Wrote: This is also my point of view, but Carla is surely not someone turned to the negative. How can one change polarity like this, against the first distortion, that is, against his/her will? How can someone be spiritually trapped and manipulated like this? Is magic able to break the first law?
It is extremely rare, and Ra mentions later on that it has only occurred to one wanderer in our entire 75,000 year master cycle of 3rd density.
It is also a long and drawn out process. First they would find some way of getting her to voluntarily not re enter her body, and then in the zero time of time/space work on convincing her of some opportunity to utilize by subtly negative actions, convince her that she requires help only they can provide (half truths and psychological distortions), which would then lead to more and more negative actions, and full on polarity change ensues over time. The detuning process doesn't happen in a moment. But 1000 years of time/space could be one moment of space/time.
It could be looked at as a gradual kind of brainwashing/hypnosis. The same thing happens to Orion abductees. Ra talks about the various levels of programming these abductees go through until finally they are will less drones.
A more powerful higher density consciousness could over power a weaker consciousness, but they are bound by the first distortion so it would ultimately detrimental to do that because it would significantly reduce their polarity, which is akin to losing a bunch of their consciousness. They are unwilling to suffer such a loss of power. So free will is generally not interfered with directly. So the game is to get them to give up their free will voluntarily, by whatever means necessary.
Ra even gives us a clue as to how this occurs in another quote:
Quote:69.6 Questioner: Do I understand, then, that death, whether it is by natural means or accidental death or suicide, all deaths of this type would create the same after-death condition which would avail an entity to its protection from friends? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. We presume you mean to inquire whether in the death experience, no matter what the cause, the negative friends are not able to remove an entity. This is correct largely because the entity without the attachment to the space/time physical complex is far more aware and without the gullibility which is somewhat the hallmark of those who love wholeheartedly.
However, the death, if natural, would undoubtedly be the more harmonious; the death by murder being confused and the entity needing some time/space in which to get its bearings, so to speak; the death by suicide causing the necessity for much healing work and, shall we say, the making of a dedication to the third density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the higher self.
Right there, Ra points out the fact that this is the result of "gullibility" when it occurs, which would be believing lies told by the negative beings.
In time/space, beings cannot physically grab you and drag you away somewhere. The only thing you are interacting with is mind. You have to be grabbed mentally, by capturing your attention, beliefs, and intent. All they have is psychological weapons. The weapons of fear, guilt, shame, and deception. An expert orion being will use these powerfully.
But like I said, removing a wanderer to negative time/space is incredibly rare. Nothing to lose too much sleep over.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - anagogy - 03-19-2015
(03-19-2015, 05:17 PM)ricdaw Wrote: I believe that "negative time/space" is not an attribute or characteristic of a local area of time/space, but is instead a description of the "analogue" space/time (physical world) to which that local time/space is linked. The thing about Earth's astral planes, for instance, is that once you enter them you commit to (probably) a 25,000 year cycle of bouncing back and forth in various reincarnations. The Earth Life School "time/space" could be called "mixed time/space with a slight bias positive" because that describes the Earth. Once you enter a "local" time/space environment, you commit the 25,000 year cycle on its corresponding world (of whatever bias or orientation).
In the case of Carla, had the 5th Density entity been successful, she would have died in trance. But by magical arts, Carla would have been removed to a different post-life time/space locality; not Earth's. There would be no brainwashing involved. Instead, the metaphysical laws of reincarnation would apply to Carla in the new time/space locality, just like they apply to all of us here. She would have to go through a 25,000 year cycle of rebith and death in the new analogue world, which would be a highly polarized negative world. Carla could delay incarnation and stay fully positive there in her new time/space environment, but that would just delay the inevitable metaphysical requirement that she reincarnate locally until she achieved harvest. As a practical matter, she would probably have to switch orientation in order to escape.
That is an interesting theory ricdaw. It would appear we have a slightly different understanding of time/space.
From my perspective, negative time/space is just negative mind space. Positive time/space is just positive mind space. And there are infinite gradations in between the two. These are the infamous "astral planes". Every physical area is a reflection of a nonphysical area. So a positive space in the physical, is attached to a positive space in the metaphysical. And likewise for negative. So there are spaces all over the Earth populated by beings that are vibrating negatively and spaces on Earth where people are vibrating positively. We are always gravitating to a space compatible with the vibration we are emitting.
From my perspective, if a being is displaced to negative time/space it is because they have become predominantly focused there (for whatever reason), thus any physical place they incarnate into will be a space/time environment that is resonant with that time/space stepping off point. Negative mind is connected to equally negative places/environments/people.
But as Ra said later on, negativity is a gravity well, and once one goes down that slippery slope, it is nigh impossible to stay positively oriented when surrounded by such influences. Thus one is caught in the momentum to continue focusing on the negative, until the potential of awareness is great enough to reverse potential.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - Shemaya - 03-20-2015
Anagogy, what do you mean by " negative mind space" and "positive mind space". I got a little lost reading your reply.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - andreazzi - 03-20-2015
(03-19-2015, 05:17 PM)ricdaw Wrote: Instead, the metaphysical laws of reincarnation would apply to Carla in the new time/space locality, just like they apply to all of us here. She would have to go through a 25,000 year cycle of rebith and death in the new analogue world, which would be a highly polarized negative world. Carla could delay incarnation and stay fully positive there in her new time/space environment, but that would just delay the inevitable metaphysical requirement that she reincarnate locally until she achieved harvest. As a practical matter, she would probably have to switch orientation in order to escape.
(03-19-2015, 09:51 PM)anagogy Wrote: From my perspective, if a being is displaced to negative time/space it is because they have become predominantly focused there (for whatever reason), thus any physical place they incarnate into will be a space/time environment that is resonant with that time/space stepping off point. Negative mind is connected to equally negative places/environments/people.
But as Ra said later on, negativity is a gravity well, and once one goes down that slippery slope, it is nigh impossible to stay positively oriented when surrounded by such influences. Thus one is caught in the momentum to continue focusing on the negative, until the potential of awareness is great enough to reverse potential.
I see you both are used to wander in those realms of time/space, for your understandings on these matters have helped me grasp much of it. Thank you.
But, I still have a key question for you. So there is a metaphysical law that actually bonds an entity to a time/space-space/time environment? I mean, if one is lured to a different time/space he is bonded to it until it's cycle ends and harvest comes, right?
It is very intuitive for me to justify the polarity change by the necessity to escape such vibrational prison, but that implies a lot of change in my concepts of consciousness polarization, it's like saying "I am trapped in negative environment and the only way out is to become negative, so I will change my polarity in order to return home." As I understand it, the polarity can only be changed by a profound insight, in the roots of the mind, it must be a change in perspective, a new point of view of all things, I can't understand how one could change polarity for a certain goal. ricdaw, if you could explain how this could be done, under this perspective, I would appreciate it a lot.
And, anagogy, how does this gravity well of negativity makes it almost impossible to remain positive? One is compelled to defend oneself or otherwise he would be enslaved by other negative entitites?
Last question, if there is magic able to kidnap someone to a negative environment there must be magic able to rescue him, no?
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - Bluebell - 03-20-2015
according to Ra there isn't a way to rescue.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - anagogy - 03-20-2015
(03-20-2015, 07:23 AM)Shemaya Wrote: Anagogy, what do you mean by " negative mind space" and "positive mind space". I got a little lost reading your reply.
Time/space, or the "metaphysical planes" are not physical. It is meta-physical. Where the physical is tangible, the metaphysical is intangible. One is an outer manifestation, the other is an inner manifestation. The outer manifestation is matter, and the inner manifestation is mind. Both are consciousness.
There are also many places in between the the two extremes of the continuum between intangible (mind) and tangible (matter). The subtle planes are a lot like the earths atmosphere. For example, you have the troposphere, the stratosphere, the mesophere, and the exosphere. Air pressure and density decrease with altitude in the atmosphere. But it is gradual, and there are not easy to identify highlighted lines by which to tell when one stops and another begins. This is analogous to the subtle planes.
The astral planes are still very close to the physical, thus they have a degree of tangibility to them. You can still experience form there, but it is less tangible than what you know as matter on the physical plane. It is far more malleable and fluid. But you can begin to see the relationship between mind and matter here.
So time/space is best thought of as "mind". Space/time is a tangible, outer crystallization of mind, which we call "matter". One is an inner projection of consciousness, the other is an outer projection of consciousness.
The mind that creates a negative physical environment, is negative mind. And mind that creates a positive physical environment is positive mind. All that you see that is tangible, is a manifestation of something that is intangible. The mind builds the body. Space/time matter is a reflection of time/space mind.
Please let me know if I may clarify further.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - anagogy - 03-20-2015
(03-20-2015, 08:38 AM)andreazzi Wrote: I see you both are used to wander in those realms of time/space, for your understandings on these matters have helped me grasp much of it. Thank you.
But, I still have a key question for you. So there is a metaphysical law that actually bonds an entity to a time/space-space/time environment? I mean, if one is lured to a different time/space he is bonded to it until it's cycle ends and harvest comes, right?
It is very intuitive for me to justify the polarity change by the necessity to escape such vibrational prison, but that implies a lot of change in my concepts of consciousness polarization, it's like saying "I am trapped in negative environment and the only way out is to become negative, so I will change my polarity in order to return home." As I understand it, the polarity can only be changed by a profound insight, in the roots of the mind, it must be a change in perspective, a new point of view of all things, I can't understand how one could change polarity for a certain goal. ricdaw, if you could explain how this could be done, under this perspective, I would appreciate it a lot.
And, anagogy, how does this gravity well of negativity makes it almost impossible to remain positive? One is compelled to defend oneself or otherwise he would be enslaved by other negative entitites?
Last question, if there is magic able to kidnap someone to a negative environment there must be magic able to rescue him, no?
The metaphysical law that binds an entity to a space/time environment is simply this: whatever time/space you occupy determines what space/time you have access to. But this is important only in terms of reincarnation. If you are in negative time/space, you can only incarnate into negative space/time. Every space/time is an analogue of a particular piece of time/space and vice versa. The only thing that binds you to any particular time/space is the vibrations you have active within you based on your thoughts, beliefs, desires, and intent. As I've said before, time/space is mind, space/time is matter. Spirit is reflected in mind and mind is reflected in matter.
As for being stuck in a particular time/space until the cycle ends, this is not a concept I agree with. Your placement in time/space is a function of where you *choose* to focus your mind. It is possible for a being to become stuck in negative time/space and not realize they can leave due to ignorance of metaphysical laws (like attracts like). It is like when you have a nightmare at night -- you become entranced or focused into a mental environment with a negative theme. Except that in the case of the person having a nightmare, the physiological processes of the body eventually recall them from the negative time/space and they wake up (like you get so worked up, you regain consciousness, or you have to go to the bathroom). After the cessation of the body, there is little to break the focus except deliberately breaking your own focus from the darkness.
The gravity well of negativity is simply that when surrounded by negative beings, it is nearly impossible to remain positive because the pull upon each other is constant. Ra talks about this:
Quote:71.14 Questioner: You have made the statement that pure negativity acts as a gravity well pulling all into it. I was wondering first if pure positivity has precisely the same effect? Could you answer that please?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. Positivity has a much weaker effect due to the strong element of recognition of free will in any positivity approaching purity. Thus although the negatively oriented entity may find it difficult to polarize negatively in the midst of such resounding harmony it will not find it impossible.
Upon the other hand, the negative polarization is one which does not accept the concept of the free will of other-selves. Thusly in a social complex whose negativity approaches purity the pull upon other-selves is constant. A positively oriented entity in such a situation would desire for other-selves to have their free will and thusly would find itself removed from its ability to exercise its own free will, for the free will of negatively oriented entities is bent upon conquest.
[font=sans-serif]70.23 Questioner: I was asking these questions primarily to understand or to build a base for an attempt to get a little bit of enlightenment on the way that time/space and space/time is related to the evolution of the mind/body/spirit complex so that I could better understand the techniques, you might say, of that evolution. For instance, you stated that “the potential difference may be released and polarities changed after an entity has learned/taught the lessons of love of self” if the entity is [a] positive entity that has found itself in negative time/space and then had to incarnate in negative space/time. And what I was trying to do was build a base for attempting to understand or at least get a slight understanding of what you meant by this statement that potential difference may be released and polarities changed after the above step. I am very interested in knowing, if placed in a negative time/space, why it is necessary to incarnate in negative space/time and learn/teach love of self and develop, I guess, a sixth-density level of polarity before you can release that potential difference. I was trying to build a little foothold or platform from which to make that more apparent. Could you speak on that subject, please?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.
The entity which incarnates into negative space/time will not find it possible to maintain any significant positive polarity as negativity, when pure, is a type of gravity well, shall we say, pulling all into it. Thus the entity, while remembering its learned and preferred polarity, must needs make use of the catalyst given and recapitulate the lessons of service to self in order to build up enough polarity in order to cause the potential to occur for reversal.
There is much in this line of questioning which is somewhat muddled. May we, at this point allow the questioner to rephrase the question or to turn the direction of query more towards that which is the heart of its concern.[/font]
Basically, incarnating into a space/time life where everybody in your life is negatively polarized makes it highly unlikely that you will remain positive. You will learn to be service to self in such a situation and will be conditioned accordingly.
And as far as I'm aware there is no magic to kidnap a soul into negative time/space, except the magic of deception and persuasion which can be most powerful if you've ever had the misfortune of meeting a manipulative highly charismatic individual, you will have a slight inkling of such power, which would be multiplied a thousandfold when refined by fifth density awareness I'm sure.
Some love light, and some love darkness. And some start out loving light, and then become confused, and come to think they love darkness. Both truth and falsity are powerful forces.
Quote:19.17 Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates their momentum toward the chosen path of service to self?
Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.
All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - AnthroHeart - 03-21-2015
Is negative space/time psychologically scary? Is it like living a horror film?
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - Minyatur - 03-21-2015
(03-20-2015, 08:44 PM)anagogy Wrote:Quote:19.17 Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates their momentum toward the chosen path of service to self?
Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.
All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.
Because STS is only about pain, difficulty, sufferings of others and examination of the perversities of nature. To me Ra sounds subjective on something he knows not and judges. Ra will fail his harvest unless he works on his own bias.
(03-20-2015, 08:38 AM)andreazzi Wrote: But, I still have a key question for you. So there is a metaphysical law that actually bonds an entity to a time/space-space/time environment? I mean, if one is lured to a different time/space he is bonded to it until it's cycle ends and harvest comes, right?
In my opinion the first distortion is that metaphysical law you speak of. There is no bond other than your own time/space free will as the One Intelligent Infinity moving through a certain path of experiences. Everything that surrounds you are portions of Creation providing your desired experiences. Why are we here instead of any other planet through space/time? Because this planet reflects what we need to experience.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - AnthroHeart - 03-21-2015
(03-21-2015, 11:12 AM)Minyatur Wrote: Ra will fail his harvest unless he works on his own bias.
What's the worst that can happen? Another 75 million years in 6D. Oh the horror!
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - Minyatur - 03-21-2015
(03-21-2015, 11:35 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(03-21-2015, 11:12 AM)Minyatur Wrote: Ra will fail his harvest unless he works on his own bias.
What's the worst that can happen? Another 75 million years in 6D. Oh the horror!
Ìt's a way to spend eternity like another.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - AnthroHeart - 03-21-2015
I'd rather spend 75 million years in 6D than another 75,000 years in 3D.
3D is so messed up it's crazy.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - Minyatur - 03-21-2015
(03-21-2015, 11:40 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'd rather spend 75 million years in 6D than another 75,000 years in 3D.
3D is so messed up it's crazy.
When meditating on why I've chosen to incarnate on this sphere I perceived boredom, so who knows what's better.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - AnthroHeart - 03-21-2015
(03-21-2015, 11:44 AM)Minyatur Wrote:(03-21-2015, 11:40 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'd rather spend 75 million years in 6D than another 75,000 years in 3D.
3D is so messed up it's crazy.
When meditating on why I've chosen to incarnate on this sphere I perceived boredom, so who knows what's better.
I incarnated because I needed structure. Or so I figured from an interim life regression I had.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - APeacefulWarrior - 03-21-2015
I think it's a mistake (distortion) to talk about "failing" a harvest. This isn't like graduating from 10th grade to 11th grade in western schools. As I read the materials, the "student" advances when they're ready, neither sooner nor later. There's no deadline, no timetable, no schedule, and no uncomfortable letters home to the parents.
As far as Ra goes... To a certain extent, I suspect that entities stay in the 6D range simply as long as they want to be there. From what's been said, the move to 7th Density / full reunification brings about a wholly new form of existence, so a lot of it would likely boil down to when a particular entity decides it's tired of playing "games" on the lower planes. Or they're still hanging around the lower planes specifically because they want to make some changes before ascending which would be difficult (impossible?) to do once they've joined Oneness.
I think it would be largely the same with 3D entities as well, except that part of 3D existence is figuring out that there ARE other choices/higher levels. (6Ds are presumably aware of the 7D option.) So if one didn't get harvested this time around, well, they get another 75,000 years to build up their vibrations and explore more of the options on the table. No harm, no foul, and not even much difference in a universe where billion-year timespans are experienced in the long run.
Or for that matter, some entities simply may enjoy being corporal to the point that the idea of transcending doesn't occur to them because they simply wouldn't want to do it. In such a case, they're getting exactly what they want by "failing" a harvest, and they'd get to keep playing games on Earth (or wherever) for as long as they like. It's their path.
Also, Minyatur, it's funny. When I've queried my inner self about why I end up with certain challenges in front of me, the answer I get back is "boredom" as well. But hey, without creating distortions to reconcile, we can't learn anything new right?
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - AnthroHeart - 03-21-2015
Oh god I couldn't take another 75,000 years in 3D. I'd go mad.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - Minyatur - 03-21-2015
I thought Ra said at some point that he wishes to not repeat another 6D cycle but I'll have to search for the actual quote.
Edit : Maybe you are right and it's about him finishing what he wants to be done.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - AnthroHeart - 03-21-2015
Yeah, 7D is where the party's at. I don't think Ra will repeat 6D.
They've sent out too many wanderers.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - Minyatur - 03-21-2015
(03-21-2015, 12:58 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Yeah, 7D is where the party's at. I don't think Ra will repeat 6D.
They've sent out too many wanderers.
Who knows maybe there is an equal effort to make it fail. From my perspective, the only thing I can truly phantom a 6D STS entity would want is to make 6D STO plans fail. Testing their 6D friends in a manner they do not want to be tested.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - APeacefulWarrior - 03-21-2015
I just reread the materials categorized under 6th, 7th, and 8th Densities. Ra never expresses a specific desire beyond further transformation into love/light and successfully unifying with the Creator. He doesn't mention anything about repeating his own cycle.
I would suggest -interpreting here- that Ra may be past the point of having conscious desires in terms of timeframes. If he's fixed his goal on reunification, then part of that would be accepting that it will happen when it is the right time for it to happen. His motive, I think, would be nothing beyond whatever brings him closer. (Ie, a desire to not repeat a cycle would be the exact sort of selfish/disharmonious distortion he's trying to move past. I think.)
Personally, I'm a little sad no one thought to ask him if he'd been a star before or planned to do so. That would have been interesting to hear about.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - AnthroHeart - 03-21-2015
I thought in 6D STS and STO are very much isolated. Thus STS couldn't prevent STO from graduating.
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - AnthroHeart - 03-21-2015
(03-21-2015, 01:19 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: Personally, I'm a little sad no one thought to ask him if he'd been a star before or planned to do so. That would have been interesting to hear about.
Yes, I've always wanted to be a star, (to anthros).
RE: Random Ra Material Questions - Minyatur - 03-21-2015
(03-21-2015, 01:19 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I thought in 6D STS and STO are very much isolated. Thus STS couldn't prevent STO from graduating.
They can mess up the conditions they've set for themselves. Say Ra won't harvest until the Earth becomes 4D, 6D STS entities can make that fail and Ra won't harvest.