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RE: Acceptance and Will - Monica - 04-26-2011
(04-26-2011, 05:16 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: How do you love cancer when it takes a child?
I have some definite opinions on that one, but I'm hesitant to share them right now. Maybe someone else will tackle that one!
RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 04-26-2011
Everything I have done from the day I was born is STS. Every word I have written in this forum has been STS.
STO is a bunch of self aggrandizing poop.
RE: Acceptance and Will - zenmaster - 04-26-2011
(04-26-2011, 06:11 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Everything I have done from the day I was born is STS. Every word I have written in this forum has been STS.Look at the bright side, at least you can now be harvested to a negative 4D planet.
STO is a bunch of self aggrandizing poop.
RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 04-26-2011
(04-26-2011, 08:34 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(04-26-2011, 06:11 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Everything I have done from the day I was born is STS. Every word I have written in this forum has been STS.Look at the bright side, at least you can now be harvested to a negative 4D planet.
STO is a bunch of self aggrandizing poop.
Aw, You really think I'm ready?
RE: Acceptance and Will - drifting pages - 04-26-2011
Hey 3d monkey i will be Pming you, check your box later.
RE: Acceptance and Will - kycahi - 04-27-2011
(04-26-2011, 05:38 PM)Ankh Wrote: What is there that one has to learn to turn that inability into an ability? In my humble opinion it is a compassion for the other self, which is what has been missing in this thread, and several others, and in this whole density. Wisdom is (if you are walking the STO path) learnt after the compassion density. There must be some point to why these lessons are learnt in exactly that order? Nevertheless, we are in 3rd density, where we can activate and deactivate these rays. Therefore, there is no need to feel bad about the misstakes we all make. But I wanted to point out, that since 4th density which is the next density is learnt before 5th density, it must mean something to why love while walking the STO path is learnt before one learns how to express itself?
I think that the sequence is obvious. I list the Seven like this:
- Very little awareness
- Awareness of self
- Awareness of others
- Compassion for others
- Compassion tempered with wisdom
- The sacred
- Return to the One or integration
4D is equally incrementing beyond just awareness to compassion.
Next, 5D gets the wisdom to temper the unconditional, maybe irrational compassion into an awareness that sometimes "Oh, you poor thing, here's all the help you need" is not suitable. For example, we 3Ders on Earth, possibly more than on other 3D planets, are left to our own devices. That's why we bumble so much, which has frustrated the likes of Ra, but at least once we do figure things out and make our Choice, we probably can run with it better than those 3Ders who received more guidance. Earthlings might get past 4D sooner than those others. I got the impression from Ra somewhere that Earth is a little different in this way.
This list is not only densities. It applies to our lives as well, although not always perfectly obvious or well-defined. So a baby human in Year One has not a lot of awareness, then in year two (after the first birthday) has more, gaining a sense of self. The "terrible twos" that describes the third year is when the two-year-old fusses at others and makes demands. The fourth year gets the young human past the fussies and makes them better at dealing with each other's needs and emotions. Fifth year, starting at age 4, gets some wisdom into the mix. I don't know how many children in year 6 show signs of awareness of the sacred, but I guess many do get interested in the subjects of Sunday School around that time. Now in year seven, starting at age 6, the young human kind of integrates everything that has gone before.
All of those first seven years are just the building blocks of first awareness. The next seven repeat the cycle but by the end, on the 14th birthday, these young humans have a pretty good, starting idea of who they are.
The year of age 14 is fraught with all kinds of perils as they start a new 7-year cycle with growing awareness of others, including raging hormones. The girls preoccupy themselves with gossip while boys may express their growing awareness of others in team sports.
The cycle of years starting at age 21 finds young people stepping into the political arena, maybe conservative and maybe liberal, by making strong arguments for why their philosophy is the right one for the community. In other words, at long last, passionate compassion for others.
I tried to get at the concept of nested sevens, which IMO defines the word "sevenon" that Andrija Puharich got from an esoteric source.
RE: Acceptance and Will - zenmaster - 04-27-2011
Self awareness is a 3D property, not a 2D property, however.
RE: Acceptance and Will - Spectrum - 04-27-2011
(04-26-2011, 12:13 AM)Confused Wrote: We just need answer to one simple question - what is love?
The rest will fall into its place.
The same question went through my mind as I was reading this thread. We are here in 3D to learn that. I don't think the word can do the concept justice in our density, I think as our 'understanding' (misnomer) grows, it will start manifesting in various ways. Love is not a decision (from the mind), it comes from being, yet the ways in which it manifest is the natural outflow from a 'decision' (the choice), coupled with the natural growth and evolutionary level of the entity based on that choice. Intent is paramount, and yes, these things are very complex in our polarized density. It's not easy.
RE: Acceptance and Will - Confused - 04-27-2011
(04-27-2011, 10:09 AM)Spectrum Wrote: Love is not a decision (from the mind), it comes from being, .....
Spectrum, thank you for making that illumining statement. As I was meditating on your words, I felt I should submit the following link for this thread. I personally believe the link speaks to many of the issues that we all are grappling with here, though a prima facie reading may make it look off tangent (imho). I got the link from our b4th member, 3DMonkey (3DM). The link --
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Chakras
RE: Acceptance and Will - Spectrum - 04-27-2011
Confused Wrote:Spectrum, thank you for making that illumining statement. As I was meditating on your words, I felt I should submit the following link for this thread. I personally believe the link speaks to many of the issues that we all are grappling with here, though a prima facie reading may make it look off tangent (imho). I got the link from our b4th member, 3DMonkey (3DM). The link --
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Chakras
Great link! Thanks for that 3DM, I love the analogy of the pools (representing the chakras) connected by waterfalls and channels, and the algae and muck (representing an individual's own emotional debris). We all have our fair share of emotional debris.
Looking at the chakras in that link, the base chakra is of course based on survival and fear, and without opening that chakra, none of the other chakras can be opened. Do you see how detrimental fear is to spiritual evolution? That's why I have this issue with fear mongers and prophets of doom, not to mention the news business, with their slogan "if it bleeds, it leads". All fear.
RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 04-27-2011
I didn't read the link, but I've watched the episode a few times. I like that when he reahed the heart chakra he found someone to love and when he got to the final chakra he was told he had to let go of everything. "what!? You just told me to hold onto someone I love!"
Spoiler alert
: he couldn't let go in that episode, but he finally learned that letting go was more important.
RE: Acceptance and Will - thefool - 04-30-2011
(04-24-2011, 10:21 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: How, then, are will and acceptance reconciled? How does one choose the STO path while accepting that which is not chosen?
Somehow- I don't see a contradiction here. It is not either/or problem. You can have both CHOICE and ACCEPTANCE.
Example: One makes a choice to be of service and accept that others might not make the same choice.
One makes a choice to be loving and accept that he/she is not perfect to be able to be loving in all situations. Hence being loving to oneself as well.
RE: Acceptance and Will - kycahi - 04-30-2011
(04-26-2011, 05:53 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(04-26-2011, 05:16 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: How do you love cancer when it takes a child?
I have some definite opinions on that one, but I'm hesitant to share them right now. Maybe someone else will tackle that one!
Cancer is a catalyst and is bound to affect my life in more than one way. We know that children, especially in the third world, might have shortened lives from any number of causes, and we can choose to fight those causes as service to others.
I don't think acceptance and will are opposites. A 3Der can choose the STO lifestyle and move toward the One by accepting all beings no matter their preferences or hangups. The same 3Der can set a will to meditate and to notice catalysts as opportunities for this chosen polarity, thus preparing for Harvest.
The good news for STO-types is that we can make mistakes on our way to Harvest, learn from them for balancing and continue on the way. An error by an STSer, OTOH, might cost that entity a huge setback, pushing Harvest further away.
I like my choice, thank you very much.
RE: Acceptance and Will - drifting pages - 04-30-2011
What are the words ?
"take what resonates and leave the rest, the rest may or may not resonate later"
I think this is helpful when approaching lines of thought and belief systems.
Works for me right now
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I am not addressing this reply to any particular person, just expressing a thought i had as i read the thread.
RE: Acceptance and Will - Edinburgh - 05-01-2011
(04-26-2011, 12:10 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: You can love the aggressor while simultaneously neutralizing his aggression.
Personally, I think this sums up the whole debate. It seems to be what Ra was saying.
Ok most people would say, how can you love the aggressor? It was Ra that said the correct response to being attacked would be love. Wow, when I read that, I was deeply shocked. Most people would be.
How can you love someone who is hurting you? But a few weeks after I read that, something happened where I had to choose between anger and love. Someone excercising their free will hurt me.
I used the 'mental workout' of (1) understanding / empathy, (2) forgiveness / acceptance (3) then expressing love. It was hard to do. But I figured, if I'm reading LOO, believing LOO, better start living LOO!
Guess what - turned out that person came out to help me at a most unexpected moment. This is just a simple example of acceptance and will.
Extending on from this, I think if you have an opportunity, you can deny the actions of someone who is hurting you. You could be expressing love when doing so.
RE: Acceptance and Will - Confused - 05-01-2011
(05-01-2011, 10:59 AM)Edinburgh Wrote: Someone excercising their free will hurt me.
I used the 'mental workout' of (1) understanding / empathy, (2) forgiveness / acceptance (3) then expressing love. It was hard to do. But I figured, if I'm reading LOO, believing LOO, better start living LOO!
Guess what - turned out that person came out to help me at a most unexpected moment. This is just a simple example of acceptance and will.
Extending on from this, I think if you have an opportunity, you can deny the actions of someone who is hurting you. You could be expressing love when doing so.
That is great news. Thanks for sharing it, Edinburgh
RE: Acceptance and Will - zenmaster - 05-01-2011
(05-01-2011, 10:59 AM)Edinburgh Wrote: I used the 'mental workout' of (1) understanding / empathy, (2) forgiveness / acceptance (3) then expressing love. It was hard to do. But I figured, if I'm reading LOO, believing LOO, better start living LOO!'Love' creates opportunity while reducing separation.
Guess what - turned out that person came out to help me at a most unexpected moment. This is just a simple example of acceptance and will.
RE: Acceptance and Will - native - 05-02-2011
(04-30-2011, 11:51 AM)thefool Wrote: One makes a choice to be loving and accept that he/she is not perfect to be able to be loving in all situations. Hence being loving to oneself as well.
This is a good choice of words. It is important to understand that conflicting with or subverting another's negative actions is not an act of control. It is best defined as serving the creator in a positive way.
(05-01-2011, 10:59 AM)Edinburgh Wrote: How can you love someone who is hurting you?
(3) then expressing love.
I would add that you have to best determine the way to do this, as there is a balance between loving them, while also loving yourself.
I have tried to exercise total acceptance to see if it would transform someone, and if they would finally "get it".
It doesn't always work. You have to know when to love yourself, and walk away. There comes a point when someone's service is no longer beneficial to you, and you are not beneficial to them. Walking away is not non-acceptance, but the ability to not neglect the self which is just as important.
RE: Acceptance and Will - Monica - 05-02-2011
(05-02-2011, 10:56 AM)Icaro Wrote:(04-30-2011, 11:51 AM)thefool Wrote: One makes a choice to be loving and accept that he/she is not perfect to be able to be loving in all situations. Hence being loving to oneself as well.
This is a good choice of words. It is important to understand that conflicting with or subverting another's negative actions is not an act of control. It is best defined as serving the creator in a positive way.
I would add that you have to best determine the way to do this, as there is a balance between loving them, while also loving yourself.
I have tried to exercise total acceptance to see if it would transform someone, and they would finally "get it".
It doesn't always work. You have to know when to love yourself, and walk away. There comes a point when someone's service is no longer beneficial to you, and you are not beneficial to them. Walking away is not non-acceptance, but the ability to not neglect the self which is just as important.
All of the above...Well said!
RE: Acceptance and Will - native - 05-02-2011
The blending of love and wisdom in 3d is not always easy either!
RE: Acceptance and Will - AnthroHeart - 05-02-2011
(05-02-2011, 02:19 PM)Icaro Wrote: The blending of love and wisdom in 3d is not always easy either!
I like to focus on oneness mostly. Seeing Creator in my heart chakra. For me, it's not too difficult.
RE: Acceptance and Will - native - 05-02-2011
Well aren't you special
I mean actually making a decision as to how to best approach a situation isn't always easy, especially when it involves a relationship. Seeing and understanding is the easy part, but it takes careful contemplation to balance all that is at play so that you know you are making the right decision. Your loving nature tends to want to hold on. It is much easier when the two of you are on the same level, which wasn't the case in my situation.
RE: Acceptance and Will - AnthroHeart - 05-02-2011
I defer to others regarding relationships. I know nothing of that as I've never been in one.
Making the right choices in life is hard, I agree. But in meditation, in the quiet of the mind, I find it easy to choose where to hold my thoughts.
RE: Acceptance and Will - Edinburgh - 05-04-2011
(05-02-2011, 10:56 AM)Icaro Wrote:(05-01-2011, 10:59 AM)Edinburgh Wrote: How can you love someone who is hurting you?
(3) then expressing love.
I would add that you have to best determine the way to do this, as there is a balance between loving them, while also loving yourself.
I have tried to exercise total acceptance to see if it would transform someone, and if they would finally "get it".
It doesn't always work. You have to know when to love yourself, and walk away. There comes a point when someone's service is no longer beneficial to you, and you are not beneficial to them.
Yes, I am with you on this one. I've also tried 'total love' and you are right. Sometimes you have to walk away. Still expressing love, but adding some wisdom to the mix, and denying the other. It's hard to make that decision sometimes, but ever so important to make it.
RE: Acceptance and Will - Monica - 05-04-2011
(05-04-2011, 12:09 PM)Edinburgh Wrote: Sometimes you have to walk away. Still expressing love, but adding some wisdom to the mix, and denying the other. It's hard to make that decision sometimes, but ever so important to make it.
Well said! It's the wisdom part that makes the difference. Submitting to STS dominance is a decision lacking wisdom. Ra stated this in reference to Jesus. Even though Jesus' choice was to accomplish a specific, valuable mission, it demonstrated STO love/acceptance without the tempering wisdom.
RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 05-04-2011
And yet, he graduated to fifith density. From love density to wisdom density.
This suggests to me that all you need is love. Not wisdom. And in 3D, all you need is to choose- flesh and bone be damned.
RE: Acceptance and Will - native - 05-04-2011
Ra has said several times that martyrdom is not wise. It is the ultimate act of love, but think of what else could have been accomplished if he were to have lived into old age.
These are the decisions Carla was faced with. It is wise to preserve the self, being able to continue service. In death, your service is cut short. This is not useful.
(05-04-2011, 12:09 PM)Edinburgh Wrote: Yes, I am with you on this one. I've also tried 'total love' and you are right. Sometimes you have to walk away. Still expressing love, but adding some wisdom to the mix, and denying the other. It's hard to make that decision sometimes, but ever so important to make it.
Yes, boundaries are important! When you think of a boundary, images of keeping something outside of yourself are conjured up. A boundary worded differently, is simply the necessities of the self.
Recognizing, accepting, and integrating these necessities actually accomplish the harmonization of all selves involved. This is what allows unity to occur in 6d. Because love viewed with wisdom would actually take into account not just the one on the receiving end of love, but it would be sure to also take care of the giver. There is a mutual meeting point. In 3d, if you are able to, you can view where the meeting point of love/wisdom takes place and set that as the limit for yourself.
This is a more pure distillation of the original thought that is Love (harmonization), not the other kind of love which is the emotional feeling/expression.
RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 05-04-2011
And yet, Wisdom is not of this density. So, why would any 3Der be expected to be wise?
RE: Acceptance and Will - native - 05-04-2011
If you are trying to argue that all that is needed to enter into 4d is love, then I agree. If someone is able to recognize wisdom an integrate it however..there is nothing wrong with being able to integrate faster! In 4d, while being love you are also striving towards wisdom. Much like in 3d we are striving towards love.
RE: Acceptance and Will - 3DMonkey - 05-04-2011
We are also told that it is the negative path that tries to skip over love to reach wisdom. Alas, they fail and find only a desire to preserve the self not realizing that this is their expression of love.