(08-07-2021, 08:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: If you are afraid of vaccines, get anything other than Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna. Only those two are mRNA vaccines. All the other vaccines, including Sinovac, are traditional vaccines.

(08-05-2021, 07:55 AM)Patrick Wrote: We don't need vaccines to disconnect us from Love. We are doing this ourselves quite well. Even right here in this spiritual community.

Incidentally, it is fear that separates us from source. So that nonsense about vaccine and disconnection is actually what disconnects us. The message itself is part of what disconnects us.

I hope more people realize that it is the Cabal behind such nonsense.

(08-08-2021, 05:43 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 08:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: If you are afraid of vaccines, get anything other than Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna. Only those two are mRNA vaccines. All the other vaccines, including Sinovac, are traditional vaccines.

This is only partially true. While these other vaccines (with the exception of sinovac) are not mRNA vaccines like the Pfitzer/Moderna they are not quite traditional vaccines either. They employ viral vectors as their 'active ingredient' instead of deactivated viruses. This active ingredient means that the adenoviral vector (which contains the nucleic acid sequence for coding the covid-19 spike protein) is brought into the host cell cytoplasm where the production of the immunization agent can commence, similar to mRNA vaccines. The main difference is the delivery agent itself where for the mRNA vaccines the delivery of the genetic code happens via a synthetic lipid nanoparticle while in the virus vector vaccines the delivery happens via a seminatural adenovirus shell. When the host cell has been breached via either lipid endocytosis or modified adenoviral infection the rest is pretty much identical. Modified covid-19 spike protein production. Sinovac on the other hand is true traditional vaccine which relies on the delivery of deactivated covid-19 viruses to produce immunization. There might be some other traditional type vaccines but I didn't go search for more info.

(08-08-2021, 07:03 AM)the Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 05:43 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 08:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: If you are afraid of vaccines, get anything other than Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna. Only those two are mRNA vaccines. All the other vaccines, including Sinovac, are traditional vaccines.

This is only partially true. While these other vaccines (with the exception of sinovac) are not mRNA vaccines like the Pfitzer/Moderna they are not quite traditional vaccines either. They employ viral vectors as their 'active ingredient' instead of deactivated viruses. This active ingredient means that the adenoviral vector (which contains the nucleic acid sequence for coding the covid-19 spike protein) is brought into the host cell cytoplasm where the production of the immunization agent can commence, similar to mRNA vaccines. The main difference is the delivery agent itself where for the mRNA vaccines the delivery of the genetic code happens via a synthetic lipid nanoparticle while in the virus vector vaccines the delivery happens via a seminatural adenovirus shell. When the host cell has been breached via either lipid endocytosis or modified adenoviral infection the rest is pretty much identical. Modified covid-19 spike protein production. Sinovac on the other hand is true traditional vaccine which relies on the delivery of deactivated covid-19 viruses to produce immunization. There might be some other traditional type vaccines but I didn't go search for more info.

thank you for the explanation. just fyi, I saw a video, it says all C19 vaccine, including Sinovac from China and those from Russia, all have nano particle inside it, so all of them are harmful for people's health. and people should avoid all C19 vaccine.

(08-08-2021, 05:43 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 08:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: If you are afraid of vaccines, get anything other than Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna. Only those two are mRNA vaccines. All the other vaccines, including Sinovac, are traditional vaccines.

This is only partially true. While these other vaccines (with the exception of sinovac) are not mRNA vaccines like the Pfitzer/Moderna they are not quite traditional vaccines either. They employ viral vectors as their 'active ingredient' instead of deactivated viruses. This active ingredient means that the adenoviral vector (which contains the nucleic acid sequence for coding the covid-19 spike protein) is brought into the host cell cytoplasm where the production of the immunization agent can commence, similar to mRNA vaccines. The main difference is the delivery agent itself where for the mRNA vaccines the delivery of the genetic code happens via a synthetic lipid nanoparticle while in the virus vector vaccines the delivery happens via a seminatural adenovirus shell. When the host cell has been breached via either lipid endocytosis or modified adenoviral infection the rest is pretty much identical. Modified covid-19 spike protein production. Sinovac on the other hand is true traditional vaccine which relies on the delivery of deactivated covid-19 viruses to produce immunization. There might be some other traditional type vaccines but I didn't go search for more info.

(08-08-2021, 07:03 AM)the Wrote: thank you for the explanation. just fyi, I saw a video, it says all C19 vaccine, including Sinovac from China and those from Russia, all have nano particle inside it, so all of them are harmful for people's health. and people should avoid all C19 vaccine.

(08-08-2021, 08:17 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 05:43 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 08:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: If you are afraid of vaccines, get anything other than Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna. Only those two are mRNA vaccines. All the other vaccines, including Sinovac, are traditional vaccines.

This is only partially true. While these other vaccines (with the exception of sinovac) are not mRNA vaccines like the Pfitzer/Moderna they are not quite traditional vaccines either. They employ viral vectors as their 'active ingredient' instead of deactivated viruses. This active ingredient means that the adenoviral vector (which contains the nucleic acid sequence for coding the covid-19 spike protein) is brought into the host cell cytoplasm where the production of the immunization agent can commence, similar to mRNA vaccines. The main difference is the delivery agent itself where for the mRNA vaccines the delivery of the genetic code happens via a synthetic lipid nanoparticle while in the virus vector vaccines the delivery happens via a seminatural adenovirus shell. When the host cell has been breached via either lipid endocytosis or modified adenoviral infection the rest is pretty much identical. Modified covid-19 spike protein production. Sinovac on the other hand is true traditional vaccine which relies on the delivery of deactivated covid-19 viruses to produce immunization. There might be some other traditional type vaccines but I didn't go search for more info.

If you are worried about minute details about the implementation of other vaccines, get Sinovac then. Its a traditional vaccine.

(08-08-2021, 07:03 AM)the Wrote: thank you for the explanation. just fyi, I saw a video, it says all C19 vaccine, including Sinovac from China and those from Russia, all have nano particle inside it, so all of them are harmful for people's health. and people should avoid all C19 vaccine.

People need to stop believing everything they see on internet. Why should 'nanoparticles' be bad. There is no such actual scientific research which established anything like that. All vaccines have different operation modes, including the 'normal' vaccines which you got and your children get like measles, polio etc.

(08-08-2021, 08:17 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 05:43 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 08:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: If you are afraid of vaccines, get anything other than Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna. Only those two are mRNA vaccines. All the other vaccines, including Sinovac, are traditional vaccines.

This is only partially true. While these other vaccines (with the exception of sinovac) are not mRNA vaccines like the Pfitzer/Moderna they are not quite traditional vaccines either. They employ viral vectors as their 'active ingredient' instead of deactivated viruses. This active ingredient means that the adenoviral vector (which contains the nucleic acid sequence for coding the covid-19 spike protein) is brought into the host cell cytoplasm where the production of the immunization agent can commence, similar to mRNA vaccines. The main difference is the delivery agent itself where for the mRNA vaccines the delivery of the genetic code happens via a synthetic lipid nanoparticle while in the virus vector vaccines the delivery happens via a seminatural adenovirus shell. When the host cell has been breached via either lipid endocytosis or modified adenoviral infection the rest is pretty much identical. Modified covid-19 spike protein production. Sinovac on the other hand is true traditional vaccine which relies on the delivery of deactivated covid-19 viruses to produce immunization. There might be some other traditional type vaccines but I didn't go search for more info.

If you are worried about minute details about the implementation of other vaccines, get Sinovac then. Its a traditional vaccine.

(08-08-2021, 07:03 AM)the Wrote: thank you for the explanation. just fyi, I saw a video, it says all C19 vaccine, including Sinovac from China and those from Russia, all have nano particle inside it, so all of them are harmful for people's health. and people should avoid all C19 vaccine.

People need to stop believing everything they see on internet. Why should 'nanoparticles' be bad. There is no such actual scientific research which established anything like that. All vaccines have different operation modes, including the 'normal' vaccines which you got and your children get like measles, polio etc.

(08-08-2021, 10:12 AM)Nikki Wrote: I have not seen a lot information telling someone what not to do this

(08-08-2021, 07:03 AM)the Wrote: I worry not of such things, I only desired to share info that someone might appreciate. Also, asbestos nanoparticles are 'bad' for oneself, and that fact was established quite late in asbestos' use cycle; this as an example.

(08-08-2021, 11:29 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 10:12 AM)Nikki Wrote: I have not seen a lot information telling someone what not to do this

There's gobs of information in the material telling the group or certain segments of people what to do.

Truth does not depend on feelings. Belief does. This world doesnt run on belief.

(08-08-2021, 11:29 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 10:12 AM)Nikki Wrote: I have not seen a lot information telling someone what not to do this

There's gobs of information in the material telling the group or certain segments of people what to do.

Truth does not depend on feelings. Belief does. This world doesnt run on belief.

(08-08-2021, 07:03 AM)the Wrote: I worry not of such things, I only desired to share info that someone might appreciate. Also, asbestos nanoparticles are 'bad' for oneself, and that fact was established quite late in asbestos' use cycle; this as an example.

Every single breath you take brings in dust laden with innumerable types of particles that contain toxins and bacteria. The keyboard in front of you as of this moment, is one of the dirtiest, most bacteria laden things in the world. The computing device you use now - whatever it may be - is leaking minute amounts of powerful inhibitors as it heats up and the air that that it has inside gets affected by that olor.

With that kind of approach, you would need to stop breathing and stop using the computer among many other things. There would be no end.

(08-08-2021, 10:12 AM)Nikki Wrote: ...I have not seen a lot information telling someone what not to do this or that but giving information to offer all the right to choose based on what they feel is the truth...

(08-08-2021, 11:29 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 07:03 AM)the Wrote: I worry not of such things, I only desired to share info that someone might appreciate. Also, asbestos nanoparticles are 'bad' for oneself, and that fact was established quite late in asbestos' use cycle; this as an example.

Every single breath you take brings in dust laden with innumerable types of particles that contain toxins and bacteria. The keyboard in front of you as of this moment, is one of the dirtiest, most bacteria laden things in the world. The computing device you use now - whatever it may be - is leaking minute amounts of powerful inhibitors as it heats up and the air that that it has inside gets affected by that olor.

With that kind of approach, you would need to stop breathing and stop using the computer among many other things. There would be no end.

(08-08-2021, 12:39 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 10:12 AM)Nikki Wrote: ...I have not seen a lot information telling someone what not to do this or that but giving information to offer all the right to choose based on what they feel is the truth...

The majority of external links provided so far on this subject within this community has been clear that people should not get the Covid vaccine (any of them). There is a very great deal of dissuasion. Some links are just trying to inform, but they are rare.

The other thing is that this forum is having difficulties remaining focused on its raison d'être, that being discussing Confederation material. So posters are no longer even trying to integrate Confederation material in the discussion on Covid. It has become somewhat of a general chatter board.

I think refocusing would serve well the intentions you mentioned in your post. Then people can use the inspiration they found here and apply it to any and all information they come across outside this community, including Covid.

(08-08-2021, 01:08 PM)Nikki Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 12:39 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 10:12 AM)Nikki Wrote: ...I have not seen a lot information telling someone what not to do this or that but giving information to offer all the right to choose based on what they feel is the truth...

The majority of external links provided so far on this subject within this community has been clear that people should not get the Covid vaccine (any of them). There is a very great deal of dissuasion. Some links are just trying to inform, but they are rare.

The other thing is that this forum is having difficulties remaining focused on its raison d'être, that being discussing Confederation material. So posters are no longer even trying to integrate Confederation material in the discussion on Covid. It has become somewhat of a general chatter board.

I think refocusing would serve well the intentions you mentioned in your post. Then people can use the inspiration they found here and apply it to any and all information they come across outside this community, including Covid.

Would you mind pointing or maybe posting the LOO material that you think would apply to covid, truly would be interested in looking into this. Thanks.

(08-08-2021, 12:39 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 10:12 AM)Nikki Wrote: ...I have not seen a lot information telling someone what not to do this or that but giving information to offer all the right to choose based on what they feel is the truth...

The majority of external links provided so far on this subject within this community has been clear that people should not get the Covid vaccine (any of them). There is a very great deal of dissuasion. Some links are just trying to inform, but they are rare.

The other thing is that this forum is having difficulties remaining focused on its raison d'être, that being discussing Confederation material. So posters are no longer even trying to integrate Confederation material in the discussion on Covid. It has become somewhat of a general chatter board.

I think refocusing would serve well the intentions you mentioned in your post. Then people can use the inspiration they found here and apply it to any and all information they come across outside this community, including Covid.

(08-09-2021, 09:44 AM)Margan Wrote: It is weird that the covid threads are being singled out as having to contain the confederation / spiritual teachings (which most of them do anyways....).
How many threads are there in health and other subforums, where no one actually cares if a Ra or Q'uote quote / debate is contained in them?

(08-09-2021, 09:44 AM)Margan Wrote: For example in your "hot flashes" thread I don't recall any  

(08-09-2021, 09:44 AM)Margan Wrote: I mean, the covid threads ALONE offer so much potential for growth and polarization.
Since this subject is so prevalent at this time on this earth we currently inhabit.
Maybe you could take that into your consideration as well?
Just saying.

(08-09-2021, 10:02 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-09-2021, 09:44 AM)Margan Wrote: It is weird that the covid threads are being singled out as having to contain the confederation / spiritual teachings (which most of them do anyways....).
How many threads are there in health and other subforums, where no one actually cares if a Ra or Q'uote quote / debate is contained in them?

That is why I mentioned that ideally this focus would be all over the place.

(08-09-2021, 09:44 AM)Margan Wrote: For example in your "hot flashes" thread I don't recall any  

That is a good example yes.  I am wondering if such a thread really has its proper place here.

(08-09-2021, 09:44 AM)Margan Wrote: I mean, the covid threads ALONE offer so much potential for growth and polarization.
Since this subject is so prevalent at this time on this earth we currently inhabit.
Maybe you could take that into your consideration as well?
Just saying.

Hence why the subject has been allowed to continue even with the new guidelines on current events, politics and conspirations.

But at the same time, we don't want these subjects to take all the mental space here. New seekers having discovered the Ra Material that come here to ask questions should not be flooded with threads on Covid or Trump if elected again in 2024 for example. So funneling these singularly very polarizing subjects seems like a good compromise in my opinion.

(08-08-2021, 01:08 PM)Nikki Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 12:39 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-08-2021, 10:12 AM)Nikki Wrote: ...I have not seen a lot information telling someone what not to do this or that but giving information to offer all the right to choose based on what they feel is the truth...

The majority of external links provided so far on this subject within this community has been clear that people should not get the Covid vaccine (any of them). There is a very great deal of dissuasion. Some links are just trying to inform, but they are rare.

The other thing is that this forum is having difficulties remaining focused on its raison d'être, that being discussing Confederation material. So posters are no longer even trying to integrate Confederation material in the discussion on Covid. It has become somewhat of a general chatter board.

I think refocusing would serve well the intentions you mentioned in your post. Then people can use the inspiration they found here and apply it to any and all information they come across outside this community, including Covid.

Would you mind pointing or maybe posting the LOO material that you think would apply to covid, truly would be interested in looking into this. Thanks.

(08-09-2021, 11:07 AM)Nikki Wrote: ...I did ask that maybe you could point or indicate which teachings would help many in this time with these issues we are all going through but you have decided to ignore...

Quote:Austin: Our friend S. from China, wrote recently and he had a friend who asked him to relay a question to us. And it reads:

“Now, there is an outbreak of the novel coronavirus in China, and it has caused lots of worries, rumors, separations among people, as this coronavirus outbreak partially resembles the SARS outbreak in China in 2002 to 2003. Q'uo, without infringing upon the free will and providing your point of view, could you indicate the origin of the novel coronavirus? Is the coronavirus man-made, as Q'uo indicated for SARS? And whether it is man-made or not, what's the metaphysical meaning behind this coronavirus outbreak? Does this kind of collective catalyst also reflect the dysfunctional, unhealthy and pathological aspects of our current social system, just as individual physical distortion reflects catalyst unused by the mind complex?”

Q’uo: I am Q'uo, and am aware of the query, my brother. This is a subject which we have indeed covered before. For various outbreaks of this nature are attempts by what you may call the hidden powers to control the population of the planet. For your planet is very heavily populated at this time. And it is easier for those who seek control to control fewer entities. Thusly, there is the manufacture of various types of diseases that have been accomplished over the past few decades with the goal of reducing the population of the planet.

The entities so involved in this experiencing of the coronavirus are entities which have preincarnatively offered themselves in service to the planetary mind, in order that there may be a resolution or completion of certain cycles of vibration, that is to say, that there may be the realization of their ability to serve their fellow human beings by becoming infected in a fashion which reflects the need to find a cure for this particular virus. This is a manner of being which each entity undertook in order to become more able to open their own hearts in love and compassion for others. For as they find themselves afflicted with this particular virus, they become more and more compassionate for their fellow humans who also have this virus within their being and must suffer the consequences. Thus it is a way of, shall we say, utilizing a negative initiative in a positive fashion that was foreseen before the incarnation began.

There are many such possibility/probability vortices that have been and are possible within your third-density illusion at this time. For the harvest time is a time of great upheaval and change. There is much volatility amongst many nations and individuals and groupings within nations that makes it necessary for the type of experience that is now being felt to be assessed in a manner which does not bring fear. However, most entities are subject to the fear aspect of such an outbreak of a virus of this nature. There is, in such an experience, the opportunity to see that the Creator is knowing itself in all that happens around one and within one.

When this type of attitude can be taken, then the negative efforts to control the population in one manner or another may be transmuted alchemically, individually, for each entity so able to do so in a manner which sees the planetary game as that which is played upon the world stage, in a manner that can offer an entity a great variety of responses.

If the entity can choose the positive vision of the Creator experiencing Itself, then it draws unto itself the basic nature of the power of the truth of unity that is, that all is one, and that though one may pass from this life, there is no loss. The One still remains in each entity and in each endeavor, so that there is always the knowledge that the One who exists in all is always there experiencing this event in a manner which informs the Creator more and more of the nature of Itself.

Is there a further query, my brother? [1]

Austin: Yes, S. himself sent a follow-up to the question, and I think that you just touched on this. But I'd like to read it just in case there's any more that you could say. S. wrote:

“Ra mentioned in 34.7 that ‘These so-called contagious diseases are those entities of second density which offer an opportunity for this type of catalyst. If this catalyst is unneeded, then these second-density creatures, as you would call them, do not have an effect. In each of these generalizations you may please note that there are anomalies so that we cannot speak to every circumstance but only to the general run or way of things as you experience them.’ And S. continues: So it seems that in cases of anomalies, even if the catalyst is unneeded, these second-density creatures can still have an effect. I just wonder if SARS is one case of anomalies, since SARS can be regarded as a biological weapon, according to Q'uo. If so, is it always possible for those infected with any man-made virus such as SARS to nullify its effects and heal themselves? I ask this question just for the purpose of encouraging hope and faith in these cases of anomalies.”

Q’uo: I am Q'uo, and am aware of your query, my brother. We would agree that for the conscious seeker of truth who finds the spiritual path to the One to be the only path worth traveling, this type of virus can be seen as a mere rock upon the path that may be avoided by seeing the One in all and loving the One in all, no matter what is the action of any upon one, as attempts are made to control one. If one can give love without expectation of return, and resist not evil, then one has a power over evil which cannot be broken. It is the power of love, the power to cure all that is unwell, to make whole all that is broken, and to bring to light all that is hidden.

(08-09-2021, 03:26 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-09-2021, 11:07 AM)Nikki Wrote: ...I did ask that maybe you could point or indicate which teachings would help many in this time with these issues we are all going through but you have decided to ignore...

Sorry you felt I was ignoring your kind request. I thought I had explained that I had misunderstood your original request, well it seems I had misunderstood more than I thought. So then on the subject of Covid, the Confederation had only one session in which they touched on the subject. Here it is. (Of course, in more general terms, there are many more sessions that could be interesting)

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2020/2020_0208.aspx

saying that fighting evil is not the solution. If one remains ever optimistic, nakedly open and non-reactive then evil cannot break such an one.

(08-08-2021, 05:43 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 08:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: If you are afraid of vaccines, get anything other than Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna. Only those two are mRNA vaccines. All the other vaccines, including Sinovac, are traditional vaccines.

This is only partially true. While these other vaccines (with the exception of sinovac) are not mRNA vaccines like the Pfitzer/Moderna they are not quite traditional vaccines either. They employ viral vectors as their 'active ingredient' instead of deactivated viruses.

(08-08-2021, 05:43 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote:

(08-07-2021, 08:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: If you are afraid of vaccines, get anything other than Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna. Only those two are mRNA vaccines. All the other vaccines, including Sinovac, are traditional vaccines.

This is only partially true. While these other vaccines (with the exception of sinovac) are not mRNA vaccines like the Pfitzer/Moderna they are not quite traditional vaccines either. They employ viral vectors as their 'active ingredient' instead of deactivated viruses. This active ingredient means that the adenoviral vector (which contains the nucleic acid sequence for coding the covid-19 spike protein) is brought into the host cell cytoplasm where the production of the immunization agent can commence, similar to mRNA vaccines. The main difference is the delivery agent itself where for the mRNA vaccines the delivery of the genetic code happens via a synthetic lipid nanoparticle while in the virus vector vaccines the delivery happens via a seminatural adenovirus shell. When the host cell has been breached via either lipid endocytosis or modified adenoviral infection the rest is pretty much identical. Modified covid-19 spike protein production. Sinovac on the other hand is true traditional vaccine which relies on the delivery of deactivated covid-19 viruses to produce immunization. There might be some other traditional type vaccines but I didn't go search for more info.

unity100 Wrote:I looked into this today and read specs of Sinovac vaccine. The above is incorrect. Sinovac is comprised of deactivated viruses. So it cant cause covid in any way, neither it carries the experimental nature of other vaccines. That's also why repeated shots with it doesnt seem to affect people a single bit. This vaccine is likely a major reason why China got out of Covid that easy while other countries still dabble in the mud.

(08-09-2021, 09:33 AM)Patrick Wrote: Ideally, the spiritual aspects of any subject should always be the focus of discussions on this site (with a particular focus on Confederation teachings).

In the future, we are planning on having only one thread per subject for these very polarizing subjects and would also ask members to put more focus and efforts on discussing the spiritual aspects related with these subjects.

(08-09-2021, 12:21 PM)Patrick Wrote: We have been merging new threads on this subject into the existing ones and asking the concerned members to refrain from creating new threads and instead post their info into the existing ones.

That is why this subject is not currently taking all the space.

I was just mentioning that in the future, I believe a single thread would be even better.

(08-09-2021, 03:26 PM)Patrick Wrote: Here I see "resist not evil" as saying that fighting evil is not the solution. If one remains ever optimistic, nakedly open and non-reactive then evil cannot break such an one.