Quote:Strauss adds that the Amish have a high prevalence of genetic risk factors and are protected from others. The low rate of idiopathic autism “might have more to do what genetic structure of population than lifestyle, environment or diet.”

(09-28-2010, 07:08 AM)norral Wrote: i read the article Ali posted and one thing i
got from that is that the writer implies that autism is connected to
poor communication skills from the parents. thats a horrible implication
imho. imagine being the parent of an autistic child and someone
implying it to you horrible to even suggest it.

Quote: one thing i do no is that i trust the gubmint and what it says as far as i can throw it, not to far. i have seen children have horrible reactions to vaccines a friend of ours almost lost their child from the mmr
vaccine. also what i dont like with the vaccination method is that
they give so many different ones at one time. that imho is not smart.
you are dealing with a tiny being whose systems are nowhere near
being fully developed and overloading them with many vaccines at
once is not wise imho.

Quote: again i think we should remember that we are in a 3d world. the motivation here is profit. i do not trust the vaccine makers at all
For what it's worth.

(09-28-2010, 12:21 PM)peelstreetguy Wrote: I agree that the only way to come to any reasonable conclusions is too look at the argument presented from both sides.

Ali, I ask that you watch this ten minute video and tell me what you think about it. Thanks.

(09-28-2010, 01:41 PM)cosmoethicism Wrote:

(09-28-2010, 12:21 PM)peelstreetguy Wrote: I agree that the only way to come to any reasonable conclusions is too look at the argument presented from both sides.

Ali, I ask that you watch this ten minute video and tell me what you think about it. Thanks.

(09-28-2010, 02:22 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote: All additions and opinions are of course valuable and desired. But can you give this statistical analysis? I have been trained in statistics I should be able to understand it..

(09-29-2010, 08:34 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Thanks peelstreetguy, I had actually already seen this... I would recommend getting information from more reliable sources than american talk shows.. They like lawyers thrive on controversy. Money is to be made where truth is unclear. If the truth is clear there would be nothing to say, nothing to earn... I would not automatically assume an investigative journalist is more out to uncover the truth than to advance his own career. In these cases they consciously mislead people to get attention.

First of all one thing you should know is that even though the amount of diseases vaccinated for went up, the amount of actual toxicants for all vaccines received was reduced to a 14th of the dose in the 1980's. There have been numerous researches trying to prove a connection between vaccination and autism, they have all consistently failed to prove any link. Mercury is almost completely banned except for a variety of flu shots... You DO get more mercury from eating fish every day for a week than you get from vaccines. You get more disease vectors in your system by just going to school for a week than you get from a vaccine shot. IF the link were true we should see a steady decline in autism in the last 20 years.

The preventative function of vaccination has been proven without a doubt time and time again...

Drop vaccination in the hope that maybe you avoid autism but you're then guaranteed to be playing Russian roulette with your kids.

Measles, is highly contagious, 90% of the non immune people will get measles if they share a home with someone who has the measles. That's almost a guarantee. Of every 1000 cases 3 die, and over 100 have serious complications that require hospitalization... This is but one disease that is avoided by vaccination. The measles initiative by the united nations reduced the death toll from 900 thousand in 1999 to 160 thousand in 2008. They are going for eradication.

You guys should study the science and not trust what the television tells you. The idea that science is "the enemy" that it belongs to "the powers that be" is far removed from reality. You don't have to be a member of a secret group to be a scientist. The whole point of science is that it is open and verifiable.

Yes kids will get autism, that this is the result of vaccination is just conjecture, in spite of much research, and the people who make the claim are the people who make money from ambiguity or the people who believe them. If we do not vaccinate kids they will still get autism. There is no evidence that autism is on the rise. Just because we found a lot more cases 10 years after we invented a name for the disorder doesn't mean it suddenly appeared. The exact same thing happened for ADHD...

We do know for a fact that if we don't vaccinate many many children are going to die or get deformed by diseases that are entirely preventable.

I know without a doubt that even if vaccination played a part in autism. I would STILL vaccinate them because the alternative is much much worse and much more likely to occur. Not only that, the presence of an unvaccinated kid can in certain cases endanger the lives of kids who have not yet received their vaccination shot.

We've really been through all this before. I know your feelings. I just happen to disagree. You're all adults, do what you please the responsibility rests on your shoulders. But please don't allow the opinions of so called investigative journalists to outweigh the opinions of all scientists.

This is not good... And it is the consequence of this belief. These are the actually reported deaths and disease cases. Not incidentally reported cases of autism linked to a vaccine by a journalist. Do you see this many diseases on the news? No because it isn't sexy, and it doesn't sell. The opposite sells, especially with a few shots of Jenny McCarthy added true or not..

Please use your discernment.

(09-30-2010, 02:49 AM)cosmoethicism Wrote:

(09-29-2010, 08:34 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: Thanks peelstreetguy, I had actually already seen this... I would recommend getting information from more reliable sources than american talk shows.. They like lawyers thrive on controversy. Money is to be made where truth is unclear. If the truth is clear there would be nothing to say, nothing to earn... I would not automatically assume an investigative journalist is more out to uncover the truth than to advance his own career. In these cases they consciously mislead people to get attention.

First of all one thing you should know is that even though the amount of diseases vaccinated for went up, the amount of actual toxicants for all vaccines received was reduced to a 14th of the dose in the 1980's. There have been numerous researches trying to prove a connection between vaccination and autism, they have all consistently failed to prove any link. Mercury is almost completely banned except for a variety of flu shots... You DO get more mercury from eating fish every day for a week than you get from vaccines. You get more disease vectors in your system by just going to school for a week than you get from a vaccine shot. IF the link were true we should see a steady decline in autism in the last 20 years.

The preventative function of vaccination has been proven without a doubt time and time again...

Drop vaccination in the hope that maybe you avoid autism but you're then guaranteed to be playing Russian roulette with your kids.

Measles, is highly contagious, 90% of the non immune people will get measles if they share a home with someone who has the measles. That's almost a guarantee. Of every 1000 cases 3 die, and over 100 have serious complications that require hospitalization... This is but one disease that is avoided by vaccination. The measles initiative by the united nations reduced the death toll from 900 thousand in 1999 to 160 thousand in 2008. They are going for eradication.

You guys should study the science and not trust what the television tells you. The idea that science is "the enemy" that it belongs to "the powers that be" is far removed from reality. You don't have to be a member of a secret group to be a scientist. The whole point of science is that it is open and verifiable.

Yes kids will get autism, that this is the result of vaccination is just conjecture, in spite of much research, and the people who make the claim are the people who make money from ambiguity or the people who believe them. If we do not vaccinate kids they will still get autism. There is no evidence that autism is on the rise. Just because we found a lot more cases 10 years after we invented a name for the disorder doesn't mean it suddenly appeared. The exact same thing happened for ADHD...

We do know for a fact that if we don't vaccinate many many children are going to die or get deformed by diseases that are entirely preventable.

I know without a doubt that even if vaccination played a part in autism. I would STILL vaccinate them because the alternative is much much worse and much more likely to occur. Not only that, the presence of an unvaccinated kid can in certain cases endanger the lives of kids who have not yet received their vaccination shot.

We've really been through all this before. I know your feelings. I just happen to disagree. You're all adults, do what you please the responsibility rests on your shoulders. But please don't allow the opinions of so called investigative journalists to outweigh the opinions of all scientists.

This is not good... And it is the consequence of this belief. These are the actually reported deaths and disease cases. Not incidentally reported cases of autism linked to a vaccine by a journalist. Do you see this many diseases on the news? No because it isn't sexy, and it doesn't sell. The opposite sells, especially with a few shots of Jenny McCarthy added true or not..

Please use your discernment.

(09-30-2010, 02:49 AM)cosmoethicism Wrote: Apologies before hand. I must say that I admired your resiliency and good nature trust in the systems that have alienated us for years..

(09-30-2010, 04:23 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote:

(09-30-2010, 02:49 AM)cosmoethicism Wrote: Apologies before hand. I must say that I admired your resiliency and good nature trust in the systems that have alienated us for years..

And what would this system be? The system of educating yourself and figuring out how things work for yourself so you don't need to be dependent all the time on external figures of authority?

Like for example the controversy journalists who thrive on ambiguity and uncertainty? Is their agenda really to enlighten you? Or to keep you hooked on their drug?

If you really believe genes have nothing to do with anything then you really haven't been paying attention... I agree that it's not the whole story.. But the suggestion that we are tabula rasa was uttered in seriousness last somewhere 50 years ago... We are clearly not and most people know better by now.

If you want to go into the evolution of behavior, let me know.

The scientific mistrust is misplaced. Science is not a group of people with an opinion or agenda. It is a methodology applicable by ANYONE including you and me. It has nothing to do with priests who tell us what to believe or organizations who impose a truth. It's a body of knowledge and a methodology that anyone can use to verify the body of knowledge.

The fact that some people have tried to hide their propaganda behind science doesn't make the propaganda true, and if people had a bit more insight in science they could call them out on that. But alas, instead we just decide to mistrust all of science...

(09-30-2010, 09:05 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: I'm sorry cosmoethicism I think you forgot to post any text...

(09-30-2010, 07:23 PM)Joseph326 Wrote: I have a few questions to pose, and also some quotes that in my opinion relate to this subject. I realize that this can be a very dividing subject, and would like to try and approach it from a Law of One perspective. Keep in mind this particular view is my own, and I respect everyone's choice in opinion.

Why is there so much fear of disease? Are we to vaccinate out of fear or necessity? And is there really a necessity if our immune system is functioning properly? The Creator would not have made us with flawed immune systems unless we chose a particular distortion to live with. That being said, I think we continually choose our body's state of being based on our choices in diet, lifestyle, intent, and what degree of respect with which we treat it. Also, if there is a distortion of the mind that is not dealt with properly, it will be taken on by the body in a way that demands attention.

Do we see the body/mind/spirit complex as being a sacred and complete incarnation of the One Infinite Creator or do we view it as an incomplete clothing of flesh that holds the mind and spirit of the One without being able to control its own processes? Is pumping an unnatural arrangement of chemicals and second-density beings directly into our body complex an action that is resonant with the Original Thought? Is getting a vaccination an act of love towards one's body complex or is it done in fear of the distortion we call disease? I am also personally quite uncomfortable with anything that is pushed upon us in such a way that freedom of choice is encroached upon.



23.15 Questioner: I was really questioning about the more basic cause of disease rather than the mechanism of its transmission. I was going back to the root of thought that created the possibility of disease. Could you briefly tell me if I am correct in assuming the general reduction of thought over the long time on planet Earth with respect to the Law of One created a condition whereby what we call disease could develop? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and perceptive. You, as questioner, begin now to penetrate the outer teachings.

The root cause in this particular society was not so much a bellicose action although there were, shall we say, tendencies, but rather the formation of a money system and a very active trading and development of those tendencies towards greed and power; thus, the enslaving of entities by other entities and the MISAPPREHENSION OF THE CREATOR WITHIN EACH ENTITY.

34.7 Questioner: Do what we call contagious diseases play any part in this process with respect to the unmanifested self?

Ra: I am Ra. These so-called contagious diseases are those entities of second-density which offer an opportunity for this type of catalyst. IF THIS CATALYST IS UNNEEDED, THEN THESE SECOND-DENSITY CREATURES, AS YOU WOULD CALL THEM, DO NOT HAVE AN EFFECT. In each of these generalizations you may please note that there are anomalies so that we cannot speak to every circumstance but only to the general run or way of things as you experience them.

66.34 Questioner: This planet, to me, seems to be what I would call a cesspool of distortions. This includes all diseases and malfunctions of the physical body in general. It would seem to me that, on the average, this planet would be very, very high on the list if we just took the overall amount of these problems. Am I correct in this assumption?

Ra: I am Ra. We will review previous material.

Catalyst is offered to the entity. If it is not used by the mind complex it will then filter through to the body complex and manifest as some form of physical distortion. The more efficient the use of catalyst, the less physical distortion to be found.

There are, in the case of those you call Wanderers, not only a congenital difficulty in dealing with the third-density vibratory patterns but also a recollection, however dim, that these distortions are not necessary or usual in the home vibration.

We over-generalize as always, for there are many cases of pre-incarnative decisions which result in physical or mental limitations and distortions, but we feel that you are addressing the question of widespread distortions towards misery of one form or another. Indeed, on some third-density planetary spheres catalyst has been used more efficiently. In the case of your planetary sphere there is much inefficient use of catalyst and, therefore, much physical distortion.

We have enough energy available for one query at this time.