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RE: "You create your reality" - anagogy - 10-23-2016

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RE: "You create your reality" - anagogy - 10-23-2016

This video relates very powerfully to the topics discussed in this thread. Morgan Freeman is wise indeed.




RE: "You create your reality" - Jade - 10-23-2016

(10-23-2016, 11:12 AM)anagogy Wrote: Those things Minyatur mentioned are surface illusions of our identity, (parts of us that will be discarded at death, just like any material possessions we've accumulated) we are spiritual beings having a temporary physical experience, and if you focus and identify with those temporal characteristics to the extent of seeing more differences than similarities between others, then guess what? You get racism, sexism, bigotry and all that other negative stuff. And it doesn't matter if you are doing it for "good reasons" or to fight what you perceive to be the evil injustices of the world. The effect is the same. The focus on differences to the exclusion of similarities and commonalities simply makes the differences more and more active players in your experience which leads to the aforementioned examples of separation. It just activates and exacerbates the vibration of separation and disharmony.

Do you think that explaining it in this way can help the average nigh-harvestable person rise above racism/sexism? Because what you are saying isn't necessarily incorrect. It just doesn't seem to soothe any wounds at this moment in time.

anagogy Wrote:You seem to have ignored the part where I said:



(10-22-2016, 12:51 PM)anagogy Wrote: And by the way, I wasn't stating it as some kind of absolute rule, just as a fitting adage to the context of the discussion. Truly, if an intention were "pure" and non-contradicted, and sustained, attention would naturally gravitate to the correct vibrational focus for accomplishing the intent. However, many people start off with good intentions which then devolve to something that is, shall we say, "less pure".

I guess my point was that I believe that "adage" has absolutely no applicable bearing on our philosophy.

Quote:All I can tell you is that I don't see victims as aggressors -- it's a flat out misinterpretation of what I'm saying. It's more like: I'm walking along a path and find someone who has been attacked by a wild animal, the wound is bleeding and they are picking at the wound, causing it to bleed more profusely, and I say, "If I were you I would stop picking at the wound, you are making it far worse." And they say, "I'm trying to find the source of the pain. I have to keep picking at it till I find the source and then I can make it stop." And I say, "It actually doesn't work that way. What you are doing only leads to endless pain. Leave it alone, stop picking at it, and it will heal. You are preventing your wound from healing."

And people just keep picking at the wounds, because they can't understand that their actions are preventing the very thing they are desiring.

So your response to finding a person stranded out in the woods, wounded and in pain, is to scold them and tell them why your way is better than their way, and that their way is causing them even more pain?

And then, as you say, they continue to pick at the wound. So maybe a different course of action is called for?

anagogy Wrote:What makes you think I'm scoffing at it? It's fine for people who need or want it. But some people seek more encompassing (higher density) wisdoms.

You said that Q'uo was "unintelligible and nonsensical" to you, but conceding that sometimes "fluffy love" is needed. In third density, "fluffy love" is always useful IMO.

I think wisdom is also about knowing not to project your lessons of wisdom upon those who are explicitly asking for compassion. Wisdom is intended to be informed compassion, not the expression of love without compassion.

Love is what heals. Wisdom doesn't heal, wisdom is just the process of getting better at using love to heal.


RE: "You create your reality" - anagogy - 10-23-2016

(10-23-2016, 12:26 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Do you think that explaining it in this way can help the average nigh-harvestable person rise above racism/sexism? Because what you are saying isn't necessarily incorrect. It just doesn't seem to soothe any wounds at this moment in time.

I don't think most people are actually capable of grasping it. I'm simply fascinated by the metaphysics of manifestation and I share it with those who have ears to hear it. With most people I meet I don't go into any sort of detail about it because they don't have the base of understanding for it to be useful, I merely try to redirect their attention to more positive avenues, but on this forum I'm addressing people who are presumably searching for advanced truths (maybe I was wrong to assume that).

(10-23-2016, 12:26 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: So your response to finding a person stranded out in the woods, wounded and in pain, is to scold them and tell them why your way is better than their way, and that their way is causing them even more pain?

And then, as you say, they continue to pick at the wound. So maybe a different course of action is called for?

Well, first off, no analogy is perfect. Secondly, I find in interesting that you interpret it as "scolding". Because it isn't actually scolding -- it is friendly, helpful, and supremely useful advice, but it is quite often that people misinterpret intentions.

And well, I don't know of any better way to call peoples attention to blockages and distortions than to point them out. Unfortunately, words don't actually teach, only experience teaches, so usually I don't even make a suggestion in the first place for better or for worse. At the same time, I refuse to contribute to attachment to victimhood. If somebody wants to gather with other victims and talk about how they're victims, and how there are so many victimizers in the world, and how horrible it is to be a victim, and gosh darn I wish I wasn't a victim, WHY ME...blah, blah, blah....etc, then I'm sorry, I can't go there. I refuse to be part of the amplification of that (even in talking about it here, it constitutes a degree of "pushing against it" which activates it further, but I'm human afterall, and occasionally lack the wisdom to refrain from battle -- which is true for many on this forum it would seem).

I forgive people for misinterpreting that as a lack of compassion, but it really is an act of compassion whether someone understands it or not.

(10-23-2016, 12:26 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: You said that Q'uo was "unintelligible and nonsensical" to you, but conceding that sometimes "fluffy love" is needed. In third density, "fluffy love" is always useful IMO.

I was saying that that particular quote was unintelligible and nonsensical to me.  Respectfully I disagree, if it was always useful, then no higher density being would ever come to the conclusion that an excess of it was "folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom". It can be imbalanced and disproportionate just as anything can. That isn't to denigrate it, it has a place and a purpose.

(10-23-2016, 12:26 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I think wisdom is also about knowing not to project your lessons of wisdom upon those who are explicitly asking for compassion. Wisdom is intended to be informed compassion, not the expression of love without compassion.

Love is what heals. Wisdom doesn't heal, wisdom is just the process of getting better at using love to heal.

Again, if somebody sees me as lacking in compassion, then they don't really understand what I'm about. Sometimes the most compassionate acts don't always seem outwardly as such. Sometimes the medicine that helps, tastes terrible going down.  


RE: "You create your reality" - Jade - 10-23-2016

(10-23-2016, 12:51 PM)anagogy Wrote: I don't think most people are actually capable of grasping it. I'm simply fascinated by the metaphysics of manifestation and I share it with those who have ears to hear it. With most people I meet I don't go into any sort of detail about it because they don't have the base of understanding for it to be useful, I merely try to redirect their attention to more positive avenues, but on this forum I'm addressing people who are presumably searching for advanced truths (maybe I was wrong to assume that).

This forum is a gathering place for people who are aware of the Law of One. Some of them are searching for higher truths. Some of them are just trying to heal to the point where they can begin to search for higher truths.

Quote:Well, first off, no analogy is perfect. Secondly, I find in interesting that you interpret it as "scolding". Because it isn't actually scolding -- it is friendly, helpful, and supremely useful advice, but it is quite often that people misinterpret intentions.

If you were an entity who was alone and wounded and a stranger came upon you and told you essentially to "stop it", would you assume they were offering you friendly and helpful advice?

Quote:
(10-23-2016, 12:26 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: You said that Q'uo was "unintelligible and nonsensical" to you, but conceding that sometimes "fluffy love" is needed. In third density, "fluffy love" is always useful IMO.

I was saying that that particular quote was unintelligible and nonsensical to me.  Respectfully I disagree, if it was always useful, then no higher density being would ever come to the conclusion that an excess of it was "folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom". It can be imbalanced and disproportionate just as anything can. That isn't to denigrate it, it has a place and a purpose.

I said this is about third density. You are talking about "through the eyes of wisdom" (5th density and above). The other part of that quote is that martyrdom is "the salvation of third density". What about that?

Quote:Again, if somebody sees me as lacking in compassion, then they don't really understand what I'm about. Sometimes the most compassionate acts don't always seem outwardly as such. Sometimes the medicine that helps, tastes terrible going down.  

I'm of the opinion that if a doctor is aware that his medicine tastes terrible and gets feedback as such, that maybe mixing a little sweetener into the serum might make it more palatable and therefore make the patient more likely to ingest said medicine for its cumulative effects.


RE: "You create your reality" - anagogy - 10-23-2016

(10-23-2016, 01:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: If you were an entity who was alone and wounded and a stranger came upon you and told you essentially to "stop it", would you assume they were offering you friendly and helpful advice?

Well, that is overly simplistic in my opinion. But if someone explained, repeatedly, ad infinitum, that that thing I was doing was doing the opposite of what I wanted it to do, I would hope one might pause and at least ponder the efficacy (or lack thereof) of one's behavior. As for whether they saw it as friendly? Perhaps not at first, but in time they would see its helpful nature.

(10-23-2016, 01:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I said this is about third density. You are talking about "through the eyes of wisdom" (5th density and above). The other part of that quote is that martyrdom is "the salvation of third density". What about that?

It is the salvation of third density because there is so little love here, but as Ra states in that same quote that it ultimately creates a mismatch in the ultimate scheme of energy balance. It is an absolute relief to the harsh reality of 3rd density but that doesn't mean that there aren't more finessed and refined applications of love that become apparent with higher density wisdom (that are still wholly applicable within this realm). Why use a rock to hammer out a distortion when the scalpel is available? I've seen plenty of situations in my life where tough love had far more of an efficacious impact than unrelenting fluff. Different strokes for different folks. There are many different teachers. A message is never going to resonate with everyone universally. That would be an impossible and unrealistic expectation.

(10-23-2016, 01:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I'm of the opinion that if a doctor is aware that his medicine tastes terrible and gets feedback as such, that maybe mixing a little sweetener into the serum might make it more palatable and therefore make the patient more likely to ingest said medicine for its cumulative effects.

Analogies don't always paint a clear or reliable picture, but they can be fun.


RE: "You create your reality" - octavia - 10-23-2016

(10-23-2016, 01:22 PM)anagogy Wrote:
(10-23-2016, 01:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: If you were an entity who was alone and wounded and a stranger came upon you and told you essentially to "stop it", would you assume they were offering you friendly and helpful advice?
Well, that is overly simplistic in my opinion. But if someone explained, repeatedly, ad infinitum, that that thing I was doing was doing the opposite of what I wanted it to do, I would hope one might pause and at least ponder the efficacy (or lack thereof) of one's behavior.

Hi Anagogy,

One can only be of service to another to extent that the other self desires to be served. If one entity offers another entity a perspective, and this entity says "no, I do not agree with this, and I am not interested in pursuing it further in any way", it is not useful to reiterate that which the entity has already dropped via their own discernment. As such, to explain, repeatedly, ad infinitum, to an entity who is not calling for help, who is not calling for that perspective, is to tread perilously close to the territory wherein a perspective is thrust upon another entity unwillingly and most unhelpfully.

(10-23-2016, 01:22 PM)anagogy Wrote: It is the salvation of third density because there is so little love here, but as Ra states in that same quote that it ultimately creates a mismatch in the ultimate scheme of energy balance. It is an absolute relief to the harsh reality of 3rd density but that doesn't mean that there aren't more finessed and refined applications of love that become apparent with higher density wisdom (that are still wholly applicable within this realm). Why use a rock to hammer out a distortion when the scalpel is available? I've seen plenty of situations in my life where tough love had far more of an efficacious impact than unrelenting fluff. Different strokes for different folks. There are many different teachers. A message is never going to resonate with everyone universally. That would be an impossible and unrealistic expectation.

If it is already agreed upon that depending on the situation, different blends of love and wisdom may be called for, and if service is understood as a case by case basis depending upon an entity's distortions and the nature of their calling, then it may already be seen how it is most inefficacious to apply whatever has been useful to the entity who hears the call as a sweeping model of understanding concerning those who have suffered at the hands of others. For the nature of their calling and the proper blend of love and wisdom that is thus called for may not be whatever has been useful in the past for the particular entity who hears the calling.


RE: "You create your reality" - anagogy - 10-23-2016

(10-23-2016, 02:06 PM)octavia Wrote: One can only be of service to another to extent that the other self desires to be served. If one entity offers another entity a perspective, and this entity says "no, I do not agree with this, and I am not interested in pursuing it further in any way", it is not useful to reiterate that which the entity has already dropped via their own discernment. As such, to explain, repeatedly, ad infinitum, to an entity who is not calling for help, who is not calling for that perspective, is to tread perilously close to the territory wherein a perspective is thrust upon another entity unwillingly and most unhelpfully.

People ask for help in different ways, and not all of them are verbal. People are free to reject my message if they want, I don't force anything on anyone. I don't force feed my message down peoples throats like many activists do. I've simply been responding to the people who engage my posts for the most part. If somebody doesn't want my input, they need only stop engaging my posts.

It is that simple. Keep in mind were are in a thread titled, "You create your reality." Do you expect me to talk about ponies?

(10-23-2016, 02:06 PM)octavia Wrote: If it is already agreed upon that depending on the situation, different blends of love and wisdom may be called for, and if service is understood as a case by case basis depending upon an entity's distortions and the nature of their calling, then it may already be seen how it is most inefficacious to apply whatever has been useful to the entity who hears the call as a sweeping model of understanding concerning those who have suffered at the hands of others. For the nature of their calling and the proper blend of love and wisdom that is thus called for may not be whatever has been useful in the past for the particular entity who hears the calling.

Again, I haven't forced my message on anyone. I'm simply responding to you people who keep engaging my posts. And also, keep in mind that you are not the supreme high chancellor and decider of what every body is looking for, so while my message not be for you, someone else might welcome this truth wholeheartedly. Again, I'll repeat, I have forced nothing on anyone.

Every being receives exactly what they need, because that is the nature of distortion, or karma. It attracts those requisite lessons that will serve to eventually ameliorate those distortions.

My message is very simple and its not a new teaching: you create all of your experiences: the good, the bad, and the ugly (if you are the one infinite creator, how could it possibly be otherwise?). If people don't want to accept that, that is their choice, and I hope they are happy with it. I prefer a more empowered perspective.


RE: "You create your reality" - octavia - 10-23-2016

(10-23-2016, 02:25 PM)anagogy Wrote:
(10-23-2016, 02:06 PM)octavia Wrote: One can only be of service to another to extent that the other self desires to be served. If one entity offers another entity a perspective, and this entity says "no, I do not agree with this, and I am not interested in pursuing it further in any way", it is not useful to reiterate that which the entity has already dropped via their own discernment. As such, to explain, repeatedly, ad infinitum, to an entity who is not calling for help, who is not calling for that perspective, is to tread perilously close to the territory wherein a perspective is thrust upon another entity unwillingly and most unhelpfully.

People ask for help in different ways, and not all of them are verbal. People are free to reject my message if they want, I don't force anything on anyone. I don't force feed my message down peoples throats like many activists do. I've simply been responding to the people who engage my posts for the most part. If somebody doesn't want my input, they need only stop engaging my posts.

It is that simple. Keep in mind were are in a thread titled, "You create your reality." Do you expect me to talk about ponies?


(10-23-2016, 02:06 PM)octavia Wrote: If it is already agreed upon that depending on the situation, different blends of love and wisdom may be called for, and if service is understood as a case by case basis depending upon an entity's distortions and the nature of their calling, then it may already be seen how it is most inefficacious to apply whatever has been useful to the entity who hears the call as a sweeping model of understanding concerning those who have suffered at the hands of others. For the nature of their calling and the proper blend of love and wisdom that is thus called for may not be whatever has been useful in the past for the particular entity who hears the calling.

Again, I haven't forced my message on anyone. I'm simply responding to you people who keep engaging my posts. And also, keep in mind that you are not the supreme high chancellor and decider of what every body is looking for, so while my message not be for you, someone else might welcome this truth wholeheartedly. Again, I'll repeat, I have forced nothing on anyone.

Every being receives exactly what they need, because that is the nature of distortion, or karma. It attracts those requisite lessons that will serve to eventually ameliorate those distortions.

Hello Anagogy,

My first paragraph speaks specifically to the analogy that was given.

My second paragraph concerns an incompatibility between the analogy and the assertions made concerning the nature of service.

(10-23-2016, 02:25 PM)anagogy Wrote: My message is very simple and its not a new teaching: you create all of your experiences: the good, the bad, and the ugly (if you are the one infinite creator, how could it possibly be otherwise?). If people don't want to accept that, that is their choice, and I hope they are happy with it. I prefer a more empowered perspective.

The ideas shared earlier concerning whether it is advisable to explore race, sexuality, and so on, and to what extent this can be done before the viewer sees more dissimilarities between entities than similarities, and the evaluation of the modern phenomenon of what have been called Social Justice Warriors, are indeed complex proposed corollaries to the principle that an entity creates their own reality. As such they are subject to hearty debate even if each entity within the discussion subscribes to the principle of the entity who creates their own reality.


RE: "You create your reality" - anagogy - 10-23-2016

(10-23-2016, 02:44 PM)octavia Wrote: Hello Anagogy,

My first paragraph speaks specifically to the analogy that was given.

My second paragraph concerns an incompatibility between the analogy and the assertions made concerning the nature of service.

My advice is to not get too overly hung up on analogies. They are far from perfect (meaning, it doesn't necessarily capture the full reality of the situation so to respond to it any further would just create more confusion.)

Your implication was that something was being forced on someone. The truth is no one is forced to accept the truth I'm offering. People are free to keep subscribing to their misguided and accusatory divisive ideologies that attempt to correct disharmony by introducing a focus on more disharmony. That is their prerogative.

(10-23-2016, 02:44 PM)octavia Wrote: The ideas shared earlier concerning whether it is advisable to explore race, sexuality, and so on, and to what extent this can be done before the viewer sees more dissimilarities between entities than similarities, and the evaluation of the modern phenomenon of what have been called Social Justice Warriors, are indeed complex proposed corollaries to the principle that an entity creates their own reality. As such they are subject to hearty debate even if each entity within the discussion subscribes to the principle of the entity who creates their own reality.

Disagreement is inevitable, because the world still mostly isn't ready to understand how thoughts become things. Most people don't really want to know that yet. People love to take responsibility for good things, but never the bad. It's human nature.


RE: "You create your reality" - Aion - 10-23-2016

Quote:People are free to keep subscribing to their misguided and accusatory divisive ideologies that attempt to correct disharmony by introducing a focus on more disharmony.

Ahaha Oh man, this right here, is so snide I'm impressed. Oh, forgive me, that is probably a misinterpretation of your clear wisdom... Wink I kid, I kid.


RE: "You create your reality" - anagogy - 10-24-2016

(10-23-2016, 10:29 PM)Aion Wrote: Ahaha Oh man, this right here, is so snide I'm impressed. Oh, forgive me, that is probably a misinterpretation of your clear wisdom... Wink I kid, I kid.

It wasn't intended to be snide in the slightest. I really do think these SJW groups are extremely divisive and misguided (read: social cancer). So yes, that is a flat out misinterpretation of what i'm saying. One might interpret your own comment here as equally snide. But as long as we're just kidding around.... Wink


RE: "You create your reality" - AnthroHeart - 10-24-2016

(09-23-2016, 09:27 PM)sjel Wrote: I have been thinking about this constantly the past two months, viewing my environment as a pure reflection of my self. I am creating the reality I live in. So what about things like rape? How is the rape victim creating that reality. Or fighting parents. What does one do to love the conflict.

That rape and such is only 0.0000000000001% of the person's whole true self, when you factor in multiple dimensions and parallel selves. It just happened that was the timeline the person was on. I think our higher self does some of the driving of our lives, and gives us catalyst that may be very hard to accept.


RE: "You create your reality" - isis - 10-24-2016

for multiple reasons, i'm convinced i create(d) every last shred of my reality. to name a few:

1. i can clearly see how every little thing, even the horrendous stuff, has served to shape me into the person i am today. & i love who i am. remove any event from my memory & i just know i wouldn't be the same person - i wouldn't be the person i want to be.

2. synchronicities often seem to serve to reinforce my belief & remind me that i'm the OIC creating it all. oftentimes when it slips my mind that i'm the creator of my reality i'll get a very timely & comforting sync.

3. it's my opinion that "life is but a dream"...when you wake up from a dream it's really easy to see how you created the dream - bc it's really easy to see it was all in your head. & i think life on earth is something i'll be waking up from, eventually, just like i wake up from dreams.

4. intuition. i have a really strong feeling i'm the only one behind everything that happens to me. 5. ART. i can see everything as art. beauty truly is in eye of the beholder & i can see some of my darkest experiences as beautiful works of art. 6. humor. i have a dark/weird sense of humor & so many of the bad things that have happened to me cause me to laugh when i look back on them & so i suspect i may have created the bad reality just for the future lolz. 7. infinity. is it unfathomable? i don't think it is & when i try to fathom it i feel like, 'well, if we're actually infinite beings then it really is no wonder there's so many disturbing things in so many people's realities.'

who could possibly write my fate but me, if all is the oic. & it's not like it's easy for me to feel this way just bc i haven't experienced many bad things in my life. i've had my fair share - if not more than my fair share.

& i'm also convinced there's nothing (no matter how terrible) that could happened to me that would make me think i didn't create every aspect of my reality...oh god...right now my higher self is probably like:

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RE: "You create your reality" - Jade - 10-24-2016

(10-23-2016, 01:22 PM)anagogy Wrote:
(10-23-2016, 01:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: If you were an entity who was alone and wounded and a stranger came upon you and told you essentially to "stop it", would you assume they were offering you friendly and helpful advice?

Well, that is overly simplistic in my opinion. But if someone explained, repeatedly, ad infinitum, that that thing I was doing was doing the opposite of what I wanted it to do, I would hope one might pause and at least ponder the efficacy (or lack thereof) of one's behavior. As for whether they saw it as friendly? Perhaps not at first, but in time they would see its helpful nature.

Ah, is that the kind of introspection from repeated catalyst with others that prompted you to soften your tone and post the gif at the top of the page? Angel

Quote:A message is never going to resonate with everyone universally. That would be an impossible and unrealistic expectation.

I think a big thing that the Law of One teaches is that love resonates with everything. Love is the true healer. It seems you want results obtained through your wisdom. The fact is, if you just love and accept something and let it go, you will transform it with more rapidity than if you think about it and try to analyze it. I think you've missed my point about how love and compassion are the foundation for wisdom. If we aren't consciously and repeatedly trying to open the heart chakra more, to move energy into the blue ray, I think we're missing the point of third density.

So, my question is, do you think you're trying to balance more love with your wisdom or more wisdom with your love? What is your life path, what "higher lessons" are you focusing on? I'm just trying to get a perspective why you don't think crystallizing the heart chakra is part of the curriculum.

Quote:Analogies don't always paint a clear or reliable picture, but they can be fun.

Analogies can be quite helpful and show our understanding of concepts and help transfer that understanding to others. Ra uses them often. Since all is one, there should be infinite analogues for all of our experiences. I think the ones I used were quite clear. If yours falls apart when it's simplified, that is not my error in understanding. I think it falls apart at its core: Because, firstly, we are not talking about a random wild animal attack. We are talking about human vs. human in deliberate machinations. The tension of third density.

I'd like to present another analogy. It's not perfect but I think it retains a point. Let's make a hypothetical thread where someone talks about going to McDonald's and having a hamburger. But let's just say that's an aside to the actual point of the thread, which is to share something they've created (attempting to analogue the Chandlersdad thread). Something that shows that they are a complete neophyte to the Ra material. Insert a vegan activist. Stomping their feet, and belaboring the point, that eating factory farmed meat/fast food is CREATING SEPARATION IN THE PLANETARY MIND!! That by going to McDonald's they are deliberately making themselves ill, because it's not actually food they are eating but a mixture of chemicals and byproducts. That the proper way to be aligned and the most healthy and spiritual is to not eat meat or processed foods, but to grow one's own food in a garden and only eat entities that it has personally communed with.

My point is that what the "cohesion/unity activist" desires for the "separator of the planetary mind" to achieve is likely quite a huge, idyllic jump from where the person currently is. And often, most people have legitimate and justifiable reasons to still eat meat - and often people recognize that it has to do with programming that they have experienced over the course of their whole life. This is more analogous to the race/gender issues. Except, as someone who isn't of a traditionally repressed race/gender, this is probably unfathomable, just as someone who is born into a vegan family likely can not comprehend why anyone would make the choice to willingly eat meat.

I'm not trying to make this into a meat debate, and I'm fully prepared for my analogy to be ignored. I'm just trying to flip the perspective to try to break through your cognitive dissonance. You are projecting to others that they should be at a place where their gender/race are just an "article of clothing". This is a pretty high-minded thought for third density entities. We all make choices that separate us, and we are attempting to reunify as best as we can. This is obvious. The blue ray, wisdom, is about communication - talking these things out. Exchanging words and each of us making little choices every day to move closer to unity, with encouragement from each other. When someone tries to share something with you, and you post a dismissive gif, this is, IMO, indicative a blue-ray blockage, because you are saying that the other person's reality is invalid and you aren't going to listen to them.

Ra Wrote:Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.

Ra Wrote:With the green-ray transfer of energy you now come to the great turning point sexually as well as in each other mode of experience. The green ray may then be turned outward, the entity then giving rather than receiving. The first giving beyond green ray is the giving of acceptance or freedom, thus allowing the recipient of blue-ray energy transfer the opportunity for a feeling of being accepted, thus freeing that other-self to express itself to the giver of this ray. It will be noted that once green-ray energy transfer has been achieved by two mind/body/spirits in mating, the further rays are available without both entities having the necessity to progress equally. Thus a blue-ray vibrating entity or indigo-ray vibrating entity whose other ray vibrations are clear may share that energy with the green-ray other-self, thus acting as catalyst for the continued learn/teaching of the other-self. Until an other-self reaches green ray, such energy transfers through the rays is not possible.

Ra Wrote:Blue ray is the ray of free communication with self and with other-self.

Again, to reiterate my point, that is not to encourage separation by the discussion of race/gender, but to ALLOW the discussion of race/gender by those entities who need to talk about these things. You may see it as trivial, destructive, separatist, a waste of time - but to cultivate the blue ray is to cultivate an allowance for others to speak/experience these things, even if it is beyond where you are now or if you have just never experienced it. To create and hold a space where once can communicate and feel accepted and maybe, hopefully, understood. If you have a different definition of the blue ray/wisdom supported by the Ra material, then I would be happy to hear it.


RE: "You create your reality" - anagogy - 10-24-2016

(10-24-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Ah, is that the kind of introspection from repeated catalyst with others that prompted you to soften your tone and post the gif at the top of the page? Angel

Sometimes it helps people to lighten up and not take things so seriously.

(10-24-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I think a big thing that the Law of One teaches is that love resonates with everything. Love is the true healer. It seems you want results obtained through your wisdom. The fact is, if you just love and accept something and let it go, you will transform it with more rapidity than if you think about it and try to analyze it. I think you've missed my point about how love and compassion are the foundation for wisdom. If we aren't consciously and repeatedly trying to open the heart chakra more, to move energy into the blue ray, I think we're missing the point of third density.

So, my question is, do you think you're trying to balance more love with your wisdom or more wisdom with your love? What is your life path, what "higher lessons" are you focusing on? I'm just trying to get a perspective why you don't think crystallizing the heart chakra is part of the curriculum.

I never said it wasn't part of the curriculum. I just think a lot of movements are prime examples of our social memory complex shooting itself in the foot, and I think many people don't really understand what love is. Love is not seeing beings as small, powerless, helpless victims. Real love doesn't look down on people like that. Its learning to see the intelligent and powerful creator within them that has the ability to transcend the disharmony of their life. When you look at people as helpless victims at the mercy of outward events, you contribute to the co-creation of that reality, and simultaneously deny the truth beyond distortion that they are a manifestation of the one infinite creator. So far from being an act of love, it is an unconscious projection of disempowerment. Please understand, I'm not saying not to be sympathetic to others pain and struggles, but there is fine line between doing that and being an enabler to their total identification with and psychological addiction to victimhood. Much of what society thinks is "loving" is not loving, its enabling (it makes you feel good about yourself because the addict showers you with praise for facilitating their addiction, but does little to help the other person). But most people will confuse that as a lack of empathy because they aren't looking at it clearly.  

(10-24-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I'm not trying to make this into a meat debate, and I'm fully prepared for my analogy to be ignored. I'm just trying to flip the perspective to try to break through your cognitive dissonance. You are projecting to others that they should be at a place where their gender/race are just an "article of clothing". This is a pretty high-minded thought for third density entities. We all make choices that separate us, and we are attempting to reunify as best as we can. This is obvious. The blue ray, wisdom, is about communication - talking these things out. Exchanging words and each of us making little choices every day to move closer to unity, with encouragement from each other. When someone tries to share something with you, and you post a dismissive gif, this is, IMO, indicative a blue-ray blockage, because you are saying that the other person's reality is invalid and you aren't going to listen to them.

I posted a dismissive gif because all "they" (*cough*) have done is be dismissive of everything others have shared (hell, most of the time its not even on topic, its just a whole bunch of cookie cutter feminist propaganda about rape that nobody even makes a half assed attempt to relate to the thread topic of "you create your own reality").

You want to talk about blue ray? I'm simply sharing my truths, and you are equally dismissive of them. So if you want to talk about cognitive dissonance, your actions are every bit as hypocritical as what you claim I'm doing.

I'm not stopping anybody from talking about their victimhood. They can wallow in it to their hearts content. I'm just sharing that its deleterious to progressing past it. If people don't desire my input, then simply ignore and don't engage my posts. 99 percent of the time, I'm just reacting to people who are specifically addressing me. I'm perfectly content to leave everyone well enough alone. Like a hornets nest, I'm just minding my own business, doing hornet stuff, until people start poking it with a stick, and the hornets come out and react in the natural way that they do.

(10-24-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Again, to reiterate my point, that is not to encourage separation by the discussion of race/gender, but to ALLOW the discussion of race/gender by those entities who need to talk about these things. You may see it as trivial, destructive, separatist, a waste of time - but to cultivate the blue ray is to cultivate an allowance for others to speak/experience these things, even if it is beyond where you are now or if you have just never experienced it. To create and hold a space where once can communicate and feel accepted and maybe, hopefully, understood. If you have a different definition of the blue ray/wisdom supported by the Ra material, then I would be happy to hear it.

Part of cultivating blue ray is also allowing an opposing viewpoint in the spirit of "free and open communication". Again, I'm not stopping people from wallowing in their differences if that's what they want. But I do have an opinion, and I'm not going to be shy about sharing it if people keep engaging me. It seems like people always want it to be a one way conversation. That definitely isn't blue ray.


RE: "You create your reality" - Minyatur - 10-24-2016

(10-24-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Again, to reiterate my point, that is not to encourage separation by the discussion of race/gender, but to ALLOW the discussion of race/gender by those entities who need to talk about these things. You may see it as trivial, destructive, separatist, a waste of time - but to cultivate the blue ray is to cultivate an allowance for others to speak/experience these things, even if it is beyond where you are now or if you have just never experienced it. To create and hold a space where once can communicate and feel accepted and maybe, hopefully, understood. If you have a different definition of the blue ray/wisdom supported by the Ra material, then I would be happy to hear it.

I think you miss the entire context of the thread.

There are a lot of people who read threads without posting in them, if you seek to be mindful of everyone then you should refrain from posting altogether because there can forever be someone getting hurt over something you wouldn't think could hurt someone. Especially the subjects discussed on this forum as they often aim toward balance which is a hurtful mirror to imbalances, though still less hurtful than reinforcing hurtful imbalances imo.

I think wisdom is awareness that a person doesn't require a single form of response but multiple to truly be aided. What you offer is probably useful in face of other things being also offered by others.

I don't think it's love vs wisdom either, more like love that seeks no wisdom vs love that seeks wisdom. Both me and anagogy said we wouldn't feel right to offer the opposite of what we offered, this does not negate it can be the call of another and that there is harmony in the offering of both perspectives.


RE: "You create your reality" - Jade - 10-25-2016

I'm addressing a blue-ray blockage (huge lack of understanding each other) because I see it in this thread, I see it in other threads, and therefore recognize that it is a part of myself. I'm trying to talk this out and to articulate things for people who are being oppressed and unable to articulate these things themselves. People who have left the forums or limited their interaction because of this perceived oppression.

This may be off topic in the context of the thread, but in the context of the greater discussion of the forum, it is not.

Is this focusing on separation? Maybe. Ra says if we see a hungry entity we feed it. If we acknowledge the hunger in an entity, are we focusing on separation? Or are we actually moving towards the heart of unity?

I continue to address this blue-ray issue because I feel we still haven't come to a place of understanding, which, according to my interpretation of the Ra material, is the hallmark of the blue-ray energy transfer. I also recognize 100% that I am being hypocritical. But, in my hypocrisy, I am attempting to convey a point.

This point is that we have racial and gender issues as part of our planetary consciousness. This isn't attempting to revictimize people, it's acknowledging their previous and currently ongoing victimizations. When someone who is white, straight, male, etc, tells people who aren't that they shouldn't talk about their mistreatment under this social regime, what happens is repression, and a feeling of not being understood.

I originally responded specifically to one quote that was quoted again and agreed with. This quote literally said that these things don't exist and talking about them reinforces separation. I'm of the camp that talking with each other about these things causes healing. Not talking about them leads to repression. Repression is a negative transformation of the mind.

I can concede that in Canada, this probably not the case as thoroughly, but here in America, we are programmed from a young age, through media, to have extremely skewed feelings about gender roles and sexual identity and racial identity. I recognize this within me and I think everyone needs to get to a point where they realize they need to break out of this programming, which takes a lot of time and effort. When white dudes say "This programming, these biases don't exist", what it sounds like is that they haven't actually addressed this programming. In fact, they are buying into the current programming that just talking about race and gender is "causing separation". That people who are "social justice warriors" are bad. We need warriors for social justice!!!

I know, from 30 years of experience as a woman, and I think almost all women would agree with me, that "rape culture" is real. We are taught to be afraid that a man might jump out from around the corner and rape us because we're too inebriated or not wearing enough clothing. The ubiquitous acceptance of pornography addiction doesn't do anything to alleviate fears. My mother in law is constantly trying to buy me weapons so that when I leave work at night I'm "protected".

My point is not to blame men for this, since as you see from my example, my mother in law perpetuates this too, but for men to be aware that this is a reality for almost all women. To say that we shouldn't talk about this, or that gender doesn't exist, seems willfully ignorant.

I read this quote yesterday and I think it's applicable:

Ra Wrote:To answer your second question more fully we may say that it is correct that radiation without the necessity of response begins with blue ray although the green ray, being the great transitional ray, must be given all careful consideration, for until transfers of energy of all types has been experienced and mastered to a great extent, there will be blockages in the blue and indigo radiations.

I'd really enjoy more of a discussion of what it means to seek love with and without wisdom, from other interpretations of the Ra material. I believe there is a fundamental misunderstanding about what wisdom truly means, and I'm interested in achieving a greater understanding.


RE: "You create your reality" - anagogy - 10-25-2016

(10-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Ra says if we see a hungry entity we feed it. If we acknowledge the hunger in an entity, are we focusing on separation?

I don't think anyone was suggesting to not acknowledge the suffering, just to not "wallow in it". In the context of your example, it would be akin to pointing out the entity is hungry, and spending your time finding someone to blame for it, and listing all the causes of it, and quoting statistics about how everyone you know is hungry, and that hunger is such a huge problem, rather than just getting on with feeding the person (which is focusing on the solution rather than the problem).

We are all going to experience catalyst that exists in negative contrast to what we desire to experience. That is nature of this world. The question is: are you using it as a place to pivot and focus on a better and more unified experience, or are you going to keep focusing on the negative contrast that was point of inspiration for it? One is oriented towards evolution, the other is oriented towards stagnation.

For example: focusing on 'how can we make this better'? <<<HELPFUL AND UNIFYING

As opposed to: 'these people with these physical characteristics are causing all the worlds problems, and have a privileged unfair advantage.'  <<<NOT HELPFUL AND DIVISIVE

(10-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: When someone who is white, straight, male, etc, tells people who aren't that they shouldn't talk about their mistreatment under this social regime, what happens is repression, and a feeling of not being understood.

Why do you have to qualify it with "white, straight, male"? (and why even go to the lengths to make those assumptions about people? Do you think everybody on an anonymous internet forum shares every little detail about themselves?) Shouldn't it bother you if anyone were to do that, regardless of their physical characteristics? Do you see how its not your focus on the repression that is the actual main "problem"? You are attacking a perceived repression with yet more repression (of the people you think are responsible), and are further singling people out based on racial/gender characteristics. That is the divisive aspect of all of this (and a prime example of why these SJW groups are ultimately self defeating).

(10-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: This quote literally said that these things don't exist and talking about them reinforces separation.

Is that what it said though? That these things don't exist? Or is that something being erroneously added?


RE: "You create your reality" - Minyatur - 10-25-2016

(10-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I'm addressing a blue-ray blockage (huge lack of understanding each other) because I see it in this thread, I see it in other threads, and therefore recognize that it is a part of myself. I'm trying to talk this out and to articulate things for people who are being oppressed and unable to articulate these things themselves. People who have left the forums or limited their interaction because of this perceived oppression.

This may be off topic in the context of the thread, but in the context of the greater discussion of the forum, it is not.

This goes back to what I said earlier, the mirror of balance and spiritual truths are ever hurtful to imbalances as people resist facing the work of integrating their shadows.

So where do you draw a line? Because if you want to accomodate everyone that could join this forum you would need to drop the spiritual talk altogether and never ever dare speak of a balanced perspective of anything.


(10-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I continue to address this blue-ray issue because I feel we still haven't come to a place of understanding, which, according to my interpretation of the Ra material, is the hallmark of the blue-ray energy transfer. I also recognize 100% that I am being hypocritical. But, in my hypocrisy, I am attempting to convey a point.

Well that is well, I think working understandings is an Octave-long work and isn't designed to be anything easy to achieve.

(10-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: This point is that we have racial and gender issues as part of our planetary consciousness. This isn't attempting to revictimize people, it's acknowledging their previous and currently ongoing victimizations. When someone who is white, straight, male, etc, tells people who aren't that they shouldn't talk about their mistreatment under this social regime, what happens is repression, and a feeling of not being understood.

I think what was commented on, is the using of the experiences of others as justification against a balanced perspective or spiritual truth. It's avoidance of facing the unhealed portions of the self that seek to reject these truths. SMC came to this thread and shared what she shared not to seek healing, but to deny that she creates her reality through an attempt at making others disbelieve they create their reality through the use of examples of people who are unrelated to this forum.

Like I said, if someone is hurt then they should address themselves and be addressed as an hurt being to seek/find healing, and not justify their reasons to entertain being hurt over and over again. The reason one gets hurt and why one remains hurt are two very distinct things. That other people suffered from a similar fate does not change a thing to the suffering of one, it's just an attempt to categorize people into groups you can entertain feeling different ways about and entertain not seeing One in All nor All as One.

If a soul is hurt, their gender, race or sexual orientation neither adds nor takes away a single thing from the fact that they are an hurt being that needs healing. If you treat people differently based on their psychological/physical caracteristics, then you are entertaining racism.

(10-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I originally responded specifically to one quote that was quoted again and agreed with. This quote literally said that these things don't exist and talking about them reinforces separation. I'm of the camp that talking with each other about these things causes healing. Not talking about them leads to repression. Repression is a negative transformation of the mind.

That depends on the context, I don't think anyone denied someone's ability to talk about themselves directly.

(10-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I can concede that in Canada, this probably not the case as thoroughly, but here in America, we are programmed from a young age, through media, to have extremely skewed feelings about gender roles and sexual identity and racial identity. I recognize this within me and I think everyone needs to get to a point where they realize they need to break out of this programming, which takes a lot of time and effort. When white dudes say "This programming, these biases don't exist", what it sounds like is that they haven't actually addressed this programming. In fact, they are buying into the current programming that just talking about race and gender is "causing separation". That people who are "social justice warriors" are bad. We need warriors for social justice!!!

There is a difference between telling someone to not energize further these biases and telling them they don't exist.

The problem with warriors for social justice is that, more often than not, they have not found inner peace and can only project this lack of peace into their outward reality, which is the opposite of what they say they want to do. Also that they are bad is something you made up entirely, if one perceives a strong paradox in another's intent that make it so they are much more likely to manifest the opposite of what they say they desire to manifest, then we could discuss whether or not you have a duty to tell them, which I don't think has an absolute answer btw as polarity relates to yourself, your intent and wisdom.

(10-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I know, from 30 years of experience as a woman, and I think almost all women would agree with me, that "rape culture" is real. We are taught to be afraid that a man might jump out from around the corner and rape us because we're too inebriated or not wearing enough clothing. The ubiquitous acceptance of pornography addiction doesn't do anything to alleviate fears. My mother in law is constantly trying to buy me weapons so that when I leave work at night I'm "protected".

My point is not to blame men for this, since as you see from my example, my mother in law perpetuates this too, but for men to be aware that this is a reality for almost all women. To say that we shouldn't talk about this, or that gender doesn't exist, seems willfully ignorant.

I read this quote yesterday and I think it's applicable:



Ra Wrote:To answer your second question more fully we may say that it is correct that radiation without the necessity of response begins with blue ray although the green ray, being the great transitional ray, must be given all careful consideration, for until transfers of energy of all types has been experienced and mastered to a great extent, there will be blockages in the blue and indigo radiations.

Well that is well, I think it's about the context, the intent and the manner in which this is sought to be shared.

(10-25-2016, 12:05 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I'd really enjoy more of a discussion of what it means to seek love with and without wisdom, from other interpretations of the Ra material. I believe there is a fundamental misunderstanding about what wisdom truly means, and I'm interested in achieving a greater understanding.

Wisdom is merely experience of love. Wisdom is to seek evolution in one's ways to express their love, whereas to not seek wisdom would be stagnation of one's evolution of expressing their love and to not attempt to know better than what is currently known.

I think a most important aspect of love, is that if the intent is not balanced then it will cast shadows. So wisdom really is experience in knowing what will cast shadows and what won't cast shadows, it's the experience of knowing to not manifest the opposite of your desires.

A vegan that expresses being vegan with wisdom and balance, is likely to inspire those who need an inspiration at a certain moment to make the change.
A vegan that expresses being vegan without wisdom nor balance, is likely to reinforce the desire to eat meat within others.
Someone that wants to see racism resolve itself with wisdom and blance, is likely to inspire people to see through eyes that don't differentiate upon these biases.
Someone that wants to see racism resolve itself without wisdom nor balance, is likely to make people perceive even more strongly through the lenses of biases and reinforce racism.

That is the point that was tried to be made. If you want to fight people, you'll reinforce having enemies to fight against. Remember, control is of the negative path.


RE: "You create your reality" - Jade - 10-25-2016

(10-25-2016, 01:42 PM)anagogy Wrote: I don't think anyone was suggesting to not acknowledge the suffering, just to not "wallow in it". In the context of your example, it would be akin to pointing out the entity is hungry, and spending your time finding someone to blame for it, and listing all the causes of it, and quoting statistics about how everyone you know is hungry, and that hunger is such a huge problem, rather than just getting on with feeding the person (which is focusing on the solution rather than the problem).

Don't you understand how in context, this is necessary? I mean, not to the hyperbole you make, but if I were to just hand a hungry entity food, I'm just helping it in that moment. They will come back to me tomorrow still hungry, "wallowing" in it. If I want to actually solve their problem, we must talk about it and address it within the context of their current life experience. "Teach a man to fish" - we shouldn't just say "Hey, there's a whole ocean of fish over there, why aren't you helping yourself?"

Quote:Why do you have to qualify it with "white, straight, male"? (and why even go to the lengths to make those assumptions about people? Do you think everybody on an anonymous internet forum shares every little detail about themselves?) Shouldn't it bother you if anyone were to do that, regardless of their physical characteristics? Do you see how its not your focus on the repression that is the actual main "problem"? You are attacking a perceived repression with yet more repression (of the people you think are responsible), and are further singling people out based on racial/gender characteristics. That is the divisive aspect of all of this (and a prime example of why these SJW groups are ultimately self defeating).

I'm really trying very hard not to repress based on skin color and gender. And I wasn't making assumptions, I was just making juxtapositions. My point that I've been attempting to make this whole time is that when you are not the demographic that is traditionally and systematically repressed and being talked about in the current discussion, it doesn't help when you are dismissive towards these people's experiences that have caused them real pain. I really cannot fathom why this concept is so hard to understand. The only thing that I can assume is that not experiencing these things directly - preincarnative choices that are actually more than an article of clothing - puts up a blockage. That's why I say, it must be because you are a man that you would tell someone their attempt to convey an understanding of why rape culture makes them feel vulnerable makes you want to puke. It must be because you are straight that you can't understand why Chandlersdad would be incited by a wise teacher that he respects using the word "fag". The fact that you do this rudely even implies an additional lack of respect that I then assume is couched in this blockage of being unable to understand the experiences of others.


RE: "You create your reality" - Jade - 10-25-2016

Minyatur, no offense, I know you probably put a lot of thought and love into your post, but it's really difficult for me to continue to reply when my posts get chewed up and each sentence has its own counterpoint. I wish I had the time and energy to continue this discussion further and maybe even resolve it, but I see that this is something that needs to happen in the future yet. We are still quite far from a place of reaching true understanding of each other. I feel I have belabored my points and if you feel that my desire to do that has manifested more separation and control, well I suppose that is your means of receiving this catalyst. I appreciate all of your thoughts and all that they have contributed to my own personal resolution of truth.


RE: "You create your reality" - anagogy - 10-25-2016

(10-25-2016, 02:44 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Don't you understand how in context, this is necessary? I mean, not to the hyperbole you make, but if I were to just hand a hungry entity food, I'm just helping it in that moment. They will come back to me tomorrow still hungry, "wallowing" in it. If I want to actually solve their problem, we must talk about it and address it within the context of their current life experience. "Teach a man to fish" - we shouldn't just say "Hey, there's a whole ocean of fish over there, why aren't you helping yourself?"

I would agree that teaching self sufficiency is a superior course of action, I just think you and I have very different ideas of what constitutes the transmission of that self sufficiency.

(10-25-2016, 02:44 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I'm really trying very hard not to repress based on skin color and gender. And I wasn't making assumptions, I was just making juxtapositions. My point that I've been attempting to make this whole time is that when you are not the demographic that is traditionally and systematically repressed and being talked about in the current discussion, it doesn't help when you are dismissive towards these people's experiences that have caused them real pain.

If I come across as unsympathetic and dismissive, then I apologize. I don't mean to come across that way and I'm really not an unfeeling monster, I promise. I just get disturbed and set off when I get the distinct impression some individuals are sharing certain anecdotes to promote a personal agenda rather than because they are seeking true consolation and healing or to help others in some way. We all make assumptions and get cynical and combative at times and it is something I'm trying to balance in myself (truth be told, if if I were practicing what I'm preaching I would have never pushed against the topic in the first place, activating the vibration of it further, so I can admit that my own motivations were not as altogether pure as they should have been).

Anyway, I don't think we are going resolve our differences in perspective on the topic of reality creation (and its implications in regards to social progress and healing) any time soon, and I don't feel I really have anything further left to contribute. I doubt hashing these thoughts out another couple of pages will change that so I think I'm probably going to bow out of the discussion. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, even if I don't agree with all of them. Overall I think there has been a good exchange of catalyst and different perspectives have been shared.


RE: "You create your reality" - Minyatur - 10-25-2016

(10-25-2016, 02:54 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Minyatur, no offense, I know you probably put a lot of thought and love into your post, but it's really difficult for me to continue to reply when my posts get chewed up and each sentence has its own counterpoint. I wish I had the time and energy to continue this discussion further and maybe even resolve it, but I see that this is something that needs to happen in the future yet. We are still quite far from a place of reaching true understanding of each other. I feel I have belabored my points and if you feel that my desire to do that has manifested more separation and control, well I suppose that is your means of receiving this catalyst. I appreciate all of your thoughts and all that they have contributed to my own personal resolution of truth.

I already shared I think there is purpose in multiple responses and points of views being offered, and I find any on-going discussion to be an hint that something fruitful is happening. Are we not mirrors upon each other? Why are we putting so much energy into this? Beyond illusions, what is the meaning of this perfect moment?
You offer that which you feel is needed and I offer that which I feel is needed, why couldn't both be required and be made more useful only alongside?

I also never said you aim at separation and control, nor energizes this thread with those. While I was replying to you, I was not discussing your being and if we were then I'd have different things to say than what I said. Speaking specifically of you, I'd tell you to re-read anagogy's description of what love is and is not to him and that it portrays very well how I feel about it and is what I believe the contrast of dissonance to be in-between us in the perception of others and how we can desire to serve.

The words I put into this forum are given without attachment to the outcome. Even if people reject my words, maybe they will remain in one's unconscious and maybe they will re-surface one day to help them break a cycle of sorrow they have been stuck within, without even remembering that thought initially had come from me. I share that which I feel called to share, I don't need recognition nor acceptance, I simply need to feel right about it and place my faith that the drive that leads me to write has purpose and will do the work I can't foresee needs to be done through it.


RE: "You create your reality" - Jade - 10-25-2016

And I'm grateful for all that you've shared, and I'm sure others are as well, and I'm not even requesting that you stop, or that I stop. I am just unable to keep up at this pace. After being on internet forums as long as I have (nearly two decades!), I'm of the opinion that when someone takes a cohesive post and dissolves it into its pieces, that we are usually moving further from a place of understanding than closer. My desire is not to go point-counterpoint ad infinitum. I had one point that I felt others were being willfully ignorant to. I don't even disagree with much else of what has been said in the thread. It seems the main disagreement is in methodology.

I (perhaps misguidedly) felt as if my opinion in this scenario was valuable because I have an extreme over-abundance of social intercourse interactions that I've processed in my life, being a waitress for 12 years now. I've worked closely with so many different types of people, from mostly poor and disenfranchised backgrounds and upbringings, but not exclusively. I have to know how to be a pleasing personality to every facet of the rainbow. You said that it's entertaining racism to treat people differently because of their psychological characteristics. I think it's nuance and appreciating the infinity of the Creator, and the most exciting part about service to others. It's something I've been studying and applying in the real world on a near daily basis with dozens to hundreds of people for the over three years that I've been aware of the Law of One, and before. I've taken the advice to "move through groups" very, very seriously. Hence why I feel that this was just my attempt (again, perhaps misguided) to impart some of my own beginning attempts at "wisdom" in dealing with others socially, as there was a big social disconnect that seemed to be degrading further. There has to be a balance between what people want to hear and what you want to tell them, or else the gap can be too wide to overcome. Something as different in approach as, "I understand you've experienced sexism as a woman, and I can't possibly understand exactly what you've gone through. BUT - (insert information about rising above victimhood here)" can help move a point further along, because you are expressing an initial understanding of their issue, so that they can in turn reciprocate that understanding, facilitating the energy exchange. Ideally. But the opening of the exchange has to begin with an expression of understanding.


RE: "You create your reality" - Verum Occultum - 10-25-2016

(10-25-2016, 04:33 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I think it's nuance and appreciating the infinity of the Creator, and the most exciting part about service to others.

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RE: "You create your reality" - Bring4th_Austin - 10-27-2016

This thread deals with some of the broadest and most ingrained social issues we face in our society. It's encouraging to see such passion going into the discussion and how to reconcile these things with the Law of One and other Confederation teachings. In fact, I'd say these discussions are inevitable, and disagreement is also inevitable.

To speak to the heart of the OP, the idea of "creating your own reality" is an incredibly common theme within the New Age community and beyond. There are many varying interpretations of this statement, a lot of them being incompatible with each other. What most people can agree on is that the statement is true, what is disagreed on is what the statement actually means.

The idea can certainly fit nicely with the Law of One. Ra consistently speaks about our own nature as the Creator. The Creator! What can be more empowering? We exist, innately and by birthright, as the One that is All, that created All, and permeates throughout the entirety of existence. Each and every one of us exists as this Creator. This presents a sort of radical equality as well. It's not just me that is the Creator – all things, all people, all other-selves – ALL is the Creator. We are ultimately empowered and ultimately humbled by the realization of this truth.

But then we sit with that concept and it starts to create a bit of trouble, especially the type of conundrum being faced in this thread. If we truly are the Creator, then do we create the bad things that happen to us? Why do bad things happen at all? Do we really choose them? Does a person really choose to be assaulted?

I think that most of us come to this material because of the strong resonance and empowerment of this ultimate truth. We know, in our hearts, that everything is connected. We know that we share a common foundation with every aspect of this universe. This necessarily includes the good and the bad. The most difficult thing to reconcile is where exactly we fit in with that "bad," how exactly do we share this baseline connection with such horrible things? Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, rape and rape culture, abuse and hatred and murder and war.

[Aside: I think the most important thing to realize in discussions like this, which tend to get heated, is we are all attempting to figure this out for ourselves. It's maybe one of the hardest things to do here on this particular planet at this particular time, especially for seekers like us, perhaps many wanderers, who are particularly sensitive. And it is really an intensely personal thing to attempt to internalize these things. The types of barriers around beliefs we hold in order to cope with the harshness of this reality are probably more hardened than other types of beliefs. That makes discussion difficult.]

It seems to me like the discussion here has boiled down into two questions:

1) Do we really ultimately have a hand in the bad things that happen to us?
2) Are we perpetuating bad things when we put our focus on the dynamics involved in those bad things?

I can't say my opinion on the first question is very eloquent or intricate. I trend greatly towards Octavia's eloquently expressed opinion, in that it might be ultimately true that we are the Creator, that which creates all things, and some level of our being creates the situation we experience. However, we simply cannot understand the dynamics of how this really happens. I simply do not find the concepts discussed in which a person "attracts" these things to themselves to be useful unless that attraction can, in some way, be distinguished and recognized (which it cannot). We add in the fact that we exist in a reality with billions of other individuals "attracting" things and we get a very vast and impenetrable system of intermingling "attractions." The majesty of such interconnected metaphysical dynamics does inspire awe, but I really can't believe it is as simple as has been spelled out anywhere in this thread.

(It may be useful to point out that Ra talked about random events and catalyst – perhaps only seemingly random, but random enough for Ra to call them such. Meaning that for all intents and purposes we could possible experience something both random and traumatic.)

When the perception of this complex dynamic of "attraction" is so muddled, I think it does a disservice to those who experience traumatic or hurtful things at the hands of others to pop up and remind them "Hey, you created this!"

(There are some rare situations where such a statement will help the person shed the identity of victim and find the ultimate power to overcome their trauma, but this is quite exceptional.)

Getting to the second question, to tell a victim not to dwell upon their incident also completely ignores the mysterious and impactful nature of trauma (both personal and cultural). It's impossible to "just not dwell on it" when there are constant reminders, whether from your outer environment or inner environment, of the things which continues to affect you. This could be true of a victim of rape or also on a broader sense of those who fight against things like racism. To place responsibility of a trauma on a person because they are "dwelling on it" hurts far more than it helps. And the unfortunate thing is that this so often (though not in every case) comes from the type of person who will consistently dismiss the aggressor and focus only on the victim.

This idea of "just don't dwell on it" comes in many forms. One is a dismissal of a victims experiences because other people experience bad things too. This is common when discussing things like sexual abuse, racism, homophobia, etc. It happens when a person or group points out racism (necessarily discussing race and racial identity), and is met with replies like "everybody experiences things they don't like" or "there are men who had truly bad experiences themselves,"

Yes, true! And I think everyone is aware that experience is innately subjective, meaning that each person has a "most horrible" experience in their life that is probably quite awful. But what good does it do to dismiss racism, sexual abuse, and things of that nature just because other people experience bad things too? Why even bring it up? It's like going to a breast cancer awareness benefit and saying, "Sure, you have breast cancer, but you know some people have bone cancer." What perspective does it add?

These issues of racism, sexism, etc. are systemic and real and have to be acknowledged before anything can be done about it. Some individuals may be able to happily say, "I don't experience boundaries built upon race." Then they feel that all it takes to bring equality is to share this perception with victims of inequality. The intentions are good and the truth is ultimately valid – in the end, we are all radically equal. But this equality has yet to manifest for those who experience racism. The fact is, these people experience constantly and consistently boundaries built upon race, and to tell them to stop dwelling on these boundaries because they are creating them by attempting to call attention to them sounds like, to them, the same as saying "Just take it and stop complaining."

This is similar to rape culture. I would personally not understand rape culture and its effects unless it was discussed so heavily by feminists. Rape culture, without a doubt, contributes to both sexual assault as well as dismissal of victims of sexual assault. I find it incredibly difficult to buy that discussing rape culture, or focusing on that which isn't wanted, then creates the conditions for it to perpetuate. The condition existed before it was discussed. The condition perpetuated itself before it was discussed. It is such an ingrained aspect of our culture that there is no way to bring light to it except to point it out and discuss it continually, wherever it is seen. In doing so, culture may slowly shift to where these unconscious (and conscious) behaviors are brought to light and will eventually shift or cease. This will inevitably decrease the instance of sexual assault.

Thus, focus upon the cultural injustice does the opposite of perpetuate it – it helps to change it.

Of course, there is the potential in pointing out how differences are used against those less privileged to cause further distortion and increase the chasm. Everyone is responsible for how they communicate, and if it is clear that what you are communicating is not serving your goals, then you share responsibility for the repercussions.

This mentality, however, similar to that of informing a victim of their hand in their experience, often ignores the aggressor. Yes, perhaps approaching social justice issues with a certain tone causes people to recoil and be closed off to your ideas, but those people who recoil are driving the separation just as much (if not more) than those attempting to bring attention to a social issue. The burden, in my mind, is on the socially privileged to be more accommodating and patient.

There is wisdom in remembering the ways in which we are similar instead of focusing totally on how we are different, but this does not bring about awareness and change of discrimination and abuse.

Perhaps, once things like racism and rape culture are a thing of the past, when there are no more aggressors, then the boundaries these issues deal with may be erased for good. But these things are cultural in nature, a culture which is multifaceted and ultimately built off of the dynamics of differences between us. These differences can be acknowledged and accepted, but they are not accepted yet, and to stop paying attention how these differences are used against certain people would be premature.

I think this is easily evidenced by pretty much any successful social justice movement from the past. The Civil Rights Act was passed because of consistent focus on the issue of discrimination. Many people were brought to awareness because of the loud protests and continually pointing out how race was being used against people. The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom did not create more discrimination because so many people focused on the discrimination, but rather brought light to the discrimination and helped culture shift towards justice. The same is true for pointing out cultural conditions that create today's victims and aggressors.



Minyatur Wrote:It touched me when SMC shared about herself, like I said, but sharing stories of others is trying to make it not about her own healing.



SMC came to this thread and shared what she shared not to seek healing, but to deny that she creates her reality through an attempt at making others disbelieve they create their reality through the use of examples of people who are unrelated to this forum.

I cannot imagine where you get that idea from or how you presume to understand someone else's intention in simply sharing a story. Sharing testimonial of people who have experienced something similar, something traumatic, and something systemic is a way to show how it is systemic, how it exists beyond an individual experience. Perhaps someone resonates with a story of someone else's experiences and thus shares it to better express their own feelings or experiences. It's up to an individual to determine what is in support of their own healing.


RE: "You create your reality" - Minyatur - 10-27-2016

(10-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote:
Minyatur Wrote:It touched me when SMC shared about herself, like I said, but sharing stories of others is trying to make it not about her own healing.



SMC came to this thread and shared what she shared not to seek healing, but to deny that she creates her reality through an attempt at making others disbelieve they create their reality through the use of examples of people who are unrelated to this forum.

I cannot imagine where you get that idea from or how you presume to understand someone else's intention in simply sharing a story. Sharing testimonial of people who have experienced something similar, something traumatic, and something systemic is a way to show how it is systemic, how it exists beyond an individual experience. Perhaps someone resonates with a story of someone else's experiences and thus shares it to better express their own feelings or experiences. It's up to an individual to determine what is in support of their own healing.

Well it is an interpretation based on the context of the thread, which can either be valid or erroneous to various extents.

I am well aware of the many paths of healing which can go as far as consciously hurting others, what I meant is that she did not come here specifically asking for compassion, healing and for the subject of the thread to not be discussed, like Jade seemed to imply. Anyone is free to make that interpretation like I made my own, but it would still come down to what you told me, they would be presuming to understand someone else's intention in simply sharing a story and offer what they believe the other person calls for like I did.


RE: "You create your reality" - Minyatur - 10-27-2016

(10-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I can't say my opinion on the first question is very eloquent or intricate. I trend greatly towards Octavia's eloquently expressed opinion, in that it might be ultimately true that we are the Creator, that which creates all things, and some level of our being creates the situation we experience. However, we simply cannot understand the dynamics of how this really happens. I simply do not find the concepts discussed in which a person "attracts" these things to themselves to be useful unless that attraction can, in some way, be distinguished and recognized (which it cannot). We add in the fact that we exist in a reality with billions of other individuals "attracting" things and we get a very vast and impenetrable system of intermingling "attractions." The majesty of such interconnected metaphysical dynamics does inspire awe, but I really can't believe it is as simple as has been spelled out anywhere in this thread.

I think things can have be made seem simple but it surely is not simple. Try to picture yourself as an infinite being, this does not only mean you had a near-past before your current lifetime which defines many aspect of your current life, but also that you never were not and came from infinitely far to get here and now. This is where creating your reality comes from, it's that it started long before you were born and your life is already a continuation of something you are blind to and this I believe was a point that was made important in this thread.

A lot of the things I said come from the fact that I believe belittling others is disrespecting where they are at as themselves and is disrespecting their free will to be where they are at. I made a strong point of this in other threads, like vegan threads that discussed the trauma given upon the animal kingdom. All I can say, is that it all ends in thankfulness for every single aspect of it all. To make someone a victim is extremely simple, to try to perceive the greater complexity and infinite beauty in where they are and where it leads them at is much more complex.


(10-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: (It may be useful to point out that Ra talked about random events and catalyst – perhaps only seemingly random, but random enough for Ra to call them such. Meaning that for all intents and purposes we could possible experience something both random and traumatic.)

I don't see how that matters so much. I don't think anyone made it as that people get what they deserve or anything of the sort, I don't think there is a single thing in existence that deserve to be hurt (especially considering that there is but the Creator to be hurt and hurt itself) but instead that what we are holds an infinite desire to know what it means to be hurt. None would be within conditions where they can be hurt without it being a portion of their free will, our worlds meet because we desire to see the truthful mirror of what we are together, you are entangled with every single being in existence and anyone that hurts another willingly simply transfers a portion of it's own sorrow. The entire unwellness of this world is a microcosm of the abyss of sorrow contained within higher dimensional beings, which they express unto this world as part of their own healing.

(10-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: When the perception of this complex dynamic of "attraction" is so muddled, I think it does a disservice to those who experience traumatic or hurtful things at the hands of others to pop up and remind them "Hey, you created this!"

(There are some rare situations where such a statement will help the person shed the identity of victim and find the ultimate power to overcome their trauma, but this is quite exceptional.)

It's already been said that the way we are talking is specific to this forum, and I also said the way I am talking is specific to the person I am talking to. I wouldn't attempt to teach this to anyone who does not already contain this truth.

(10-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Getting to the second question, to tell a victim not to dwell upon their incident also completely ignores the mysterious and impactful nature of trauma (both personal and cultural). It's impossible to "just not dwell on it" when there are constant reminders, whether from your outer environment or inner environment, of the things which continues to affect you. This could be true of a victim of rape or also on a broader sense of those who fight against things like racism. To place responsibility of a trauma on a person because they are "dwelling on it" hurts far more than it helps. And the unfortunate thing is that this so often (though not in every case) comes from the type of person who will consistently dismiss the aggressor and focus only on the victim.

The thing is that the shortest path to healing is to not work the trauma through words and thoughts, but to silence the mind and balance the energies directly. Often wanderers do not even work they own energy, they allowed themselves to be imprinted by the energies of others because of being better at handling them and must learn again how to most efficiently deal with these kind of energies.

Working with words and thoughts does work also, but could never be as efficient as just balancing a simple feeling of unwellness toward a feeling of well being. Each time it is done, something has been transmuted.

(10-27-2016, 06:17 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: This mentality, however, similar to that of informing a victim of their hand in their experience, often ignores the aggressor. Yes, perhaps approaching social justice issues with a certain tone causes people to recoil and be closed off to your ideas, but those people who recoil are driving the separation just as much (if not more) than those attempting to bring attention to a social issue. The burden, in my mind, is on the socially privileged to be more accommodating and patient.

Like I said in this thread, to me an aggressor is further down the path of being hurt than a victim, so I don't think aggressors have been ignored and quite the opposite. Take any victim you are compassionate for, hurt it past it's tolerance point until it starts hurting others and suddenly no one shows compassion anymore.



Don't take my reply as that I did not appreciate your post, because I did.


RE: "You create your reality" - Infinite - 10-27-2016

After the Law of One, this is my axiom. "You create your reality".