8.6 Wrote:The entities giving this information were in error, but we did many things at the end of this cycle in attempts to aid your harvest from which we learned the folly of certain types of aid. That is a contributing factor to our more cautious approach at this date, even as the need is power upon power greater, and your peoples’ call is greater and greater.

42.5 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. The fourth-density, as we have said, abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of third-density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity.

Thus we, as a social memory complex of fourth-density, had the tendency towards compassion even to martyrdom in aid of other-selves. When the fifth-density harvest was achieved we found that in this vibratory level flaws could be seen in the efficacy of such unrelieved compassion. We spent much time/space in contemplation of those ways of the Creator which imbue love with wisdom.

(03-27-2012, 03:26 PM)godwide_void Wrote: And this forum is the grand fruition, the wonderful result of that alleged 'folly', a place that proves that there are indeed those among humanity who are perfectly ready and willing to positively implement the Law of One in a practical manner, integrate it into our lives, to do all within our power to ensure that harmony and unity are achieved for all others if that is what is wished by the avid student of this material, and for the general betterment and hopeful awakening of the one whom comes across Ra's words through Carla.

(03-27-2012, 06:14 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: In my humble opinion, there is no need to "defend" Ra from their own words, as no "attack" upon them was made.

(03-28-2012, 02:09 AM)Ankh Wrote:

(03-27-2012, 06:14 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: In my humble opinion, there is no need to "defend" Ra from their own words, as no "attack" upon them was made.

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And in all honesty, how many of us have not dreamt or screamed: "Oh, c'mooon already! For how long has this drama need to continue?! Can't Confederation just land already and put a stop to this, so we can all go on with our lives and live happily ever after??" I sure did, as I find this situation a bit frustrating and *unnecessary* from time to time. (And I sure dream to have Ra's sunny asses beamed into my place to start serious teach/learnings in the physical, instead of dreams and visions. But so far no luck. )

(03-28-2012, 05:32 AM)yossarian Wrote: Shin'Ar, I thought you follow the left hand path?

Isn't the left-hand path STS? I'm so confused... when did the left-hand path prophet turn into someone who denounces STS?

(03-28-2012, 05:32 AM)yossarian Wrote: Shin'Ar, I thought you follow the left hand path?

Isn't the left-hand path STS? I'm so confused... when did the left-hand path prophet turn into someone who denounces STS?

(03-28-2012, 08:56 AM)yossarian Wrote: Do you consider the right hand path to be STS?

(03-28-2012, 08:43 AM)Valtor Wrote: I would like to add that Ra was not 6d when they came here in the physical. They were probably at the beginning of 5d, this question was never asked.

Do not forget that time does not exist. Also, I read somewhere that Jesus was Ra at the end of 4d.

They helped us a lot.

Cool stuff !

Ra, 6:7 Wrote:We are a race old in your measures. When we were at the sixth dimension our physical beings were what you would call golden. We were tall and somewhat delicate. Our physical body complex covering, which you call the integument, had a golden luster.

In this form we decided to come among your peoples.

Ra, 14:4 Wrote:There were a few attempts to aid your peoples approximately 2,300 years ago, this in the area of Egypt. The remaining part of the cycle, we have never been gone from your fifth dimension and have been working in this last minor cycle to prepare for harvest.

Ra Wrote:17.11 Questioner: What I meant to say was can you tell me if Jesus of Nazareth came from the Confederation before incarnation here?

Ra: I am Ra. The one known to you as Jesus of Nazareth did not have a name. This entity was a member of fifth* density of the highest level of that sub-octave. This entity was desirous of entering this planetary sphere in order to share the love vibration in as pure a manner as possible. Thus, this entity received permission to perform this mission. This entity was then a Wanderer of no name, of Confederation origins, of fifth* density, representing the fifth-density* understanding of the vibration of understanding or love.

* This should be fourth. Ra corrects the error in the next answer.

17.12 Questioner: Did you say the fifth vibration was that of love?

Ra: I am Ra. I have made an error. The fourth-density being is that which we intended to say, the highest level of fourth density going into the fifth. This entity could have gone on to the fifth but chose instead to return to third for this particular mission. This entity was of the highest sub-octave of the vibration of love. This is fourth density.

Ra Wrote:17.21 Questioner: What density is the entity known as Jesus in now?

Ra: I am Ra. This information is harmless though unimportant. This entity studies now the lessons of the wisdom vibration, the fifth-density, also called the light vibration.

(03-28-2012, 08:51 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Why are you waiting for Ra and the Confederation to come here?

The ancients have been here forever. We do not have to await for their arrival. Does this have something to do with some quote that claims that they will be returning to 'save' us or something? It sounds like we are back to worshiping gods again.

(03-28-2012, 02:09 AM)Ankh Wrote: You are right. I do have a tendency to "defend" Ra.

Quote:These discussions that Ra mucked up as you've put it, or as some other members put it messed up and other pretty words, or that they act of selfish reasons, has been going on here since I joined this club, and they do push my buttons.

Quote:My personal opinion has been that Ra are way too cautious, so thanks for bringing those quotes to my attention.

Quote:I have not "seen" them before. I guess that the mind sees what it wants to see, right?

Quote:With all this said, I still believe that those "folly mistakes" that were made here, were made due the new and difficult situation on planet Earth.

Quote:And in all honesty, how many of us have not dreamt or screamed: "Oh, c'mooon already! For how long has this drama need to continue?! Can't Confederation just land already and put a stop to this, so we can all go on with our lives and live happily ever after??"

(03-28-2012, 04:05 PM)godwide_void Wrote: I don't really get too many Christian vibes from the Ra Material despite Carla's personal belief system, but that's just me. Where and what in the Ra Material do you consider leaning towards Christendom, yossarian? I'd say Shin'Ar is more akin to a wandering prophet imbued with ancestral wisdom spreading ancient gnosis. If anything, he's not here to 'balance' any Christianity in the Ra Material, but to size up and analyze and confirm that the Ra Material is indeed the 'ancient wisdom' or enlightenment of old that many have pursued.

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Also Shin'Ar, I'd like to thank you for clearing up what the Left Hand Path actually entails. When you mentioned you were an adherent of it I became a bit boggled reading that, as I held the preconception that the Left Hand Path basically equated to STS, or the ways of the 'evil sorcerer' so to speak. So the Left Hand Path is moreso along the lines of awakening the divinity within you as opposed to worshipping a divinity assumed to be outside of oneself? I still do not have a clear-cut or certain comprehension of it, so please correct me if my understanding appears to be mistaken.

(03-28-2012, 03:00 PM)yossarian Wrote: I think Shin'Ar's influence here may be to try to balance the Christian influence on the Ra Material.

The Ra Material is a bunch of ancient wisdom, but uniquely, Carla is extremely Christian. While this might work fine for Carla, Christianity has been an absolute DISASTER for most humans in this world.

Therefore, since the Ra Material is channeled through Carla, it would be expected that it had a big Christian distortion in it, and this Christian component may be dangerous for many. I certainly do not find Christianity enlightening, but rather Christianity triggers my slave programming.

The aspects of the Ra Material that Shin'Ar agrees with are the aspects that I have found to be more liberating. The aspects of the Ra material that I find to be endarkening are Karma and the suggestion/implication that it is better to meekly love and submit than to stand up with power and rebel against the elite.

I believe the Ra Material flies really dangerously close to advocating voluntary enslavement and the "loving of your slavery" -- and this is precisely the message of the New Testament. So anyway maybe Shin'Ar is intuitively trying to rebalance that by re-emphasizing the necessity of striving for liberation. I dunno just a thought I decided I'd throw out there

(03-28-2012, 04:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: For future reference- I don't have any sort of "beef" with Ra. I only seek to learn from them, which includes learning from their mistakes!

Tenet Nosce Wrote:To be fair... Ra didn't do the "mucking part" up. We humans did.

Tenet Nosce Wrote:Clearly- they didn't foresee this result. However the reason for this- as they have stated- was due to an imbalance between compassion and wisdom.

Ever since I "joined this club" I have been writing about these lessons about unbalanced compassion or love, and it never seems to go over very well. I wonder why that is, seeing as how I have taken this straight from the material.

Tenet Nosce Wrote:Indeed. And I am no exception. I frequently find things in the material that I "somehow" totally missed the first, second, third, etc. time around. Often times, I post these quotes and then watch as others ignore them or gloss them over as well. Sometimes, a person comes along and attempts to reinterpret the quote to mean the exact opposite of what it actually says... such is the power of our biases.

I used to get more upset about this than I do now having realized there isn't much I can "do" about this but shake my head, laugh, and have faith that the message will finally get through when it is the right time.

Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Ankh Wrote:With all this said, I still believe that those "folly mistakes" that were made here, were made due the new and difficult situation on planet Earth.

To which aspects of the "new and difficult situation" are you referring?

Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Ankh Wrote:And in all honesty, how many of us have not dreamt or screamed: "Oh, c'mooon already! For how long has this drama need to continue?! Can't Confederation just land already and put a stop to this, so we can all go on with our lives and live happily ever after??"

I hear you, and I feel you! But here is something to ponder- perhaps humanity's failure to learn this lesson about loving folly is the reason why the Confederation hasn't openly returned yet. Would kind of make sense, don't you think?

(03-28-2012, 06:40 PM)Valtor Wrote: Even our futures selves are probably helping now and has helped in the past.

(03-28-2012, 11:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Ra, 21:1 Wrote:...the distortion/understanding of our social memory complex that the most efficient way to communicate material with as little distortion as possible, given the necessity of the use of sound vibration complexes, is to remove the conscious mind complex from the spirit/mind/body complex so that we may communicate without reference to any instrument’s orientation.

Ra, 5:1 Wrote:...much as this instrument has the catalysis necessary to provide the channel for our words, yet by example or exercise of any kind can take no thought for this working.

Ra, 1:9 Wrote:Group-individuated consciousness is that state of sharing understanding with the other distortions of mind/body/spirit complexes, which are within the evident reach of the mind/body/spirit complex individual or group. Thus, we are speaking to you and accepting both our distortions and your own in order to enunciate the laws of creation, more especially the Law of One. We are not available to many of your peoples, for this is not an easily understood way of communication or type of philosophy. However, our very being is hopefully a poignant example of both the necessity and the near-hopelessness of attempting to teach.

Each of those in this group is striving to use, digest, and diversify the information which we are sending this instrument into the channels of the mind/body/spirit complex without distortion. The few whom you will illuminate by sharing your light are far more than enough reason for the greatest possible effort. To serve one is to serve all. Therefore, we offer the question back to you to state that indeed it is the only activity worth doing: to learn/teach or teach/learn. There is nothing else which is of aid in demonstrating the original thought except your very being, and the distortions that come from the unexplained, inarticulate, or mystery-clad being are many. Thus, to attempt to discern and weave your way through as many group mind/body/spirit distortions as possible among your peoples in the course of your teaching is a very good effort to make. We can speak no more valiantly of your desire to serve.

(03-29-2012, 08:39 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Not sure what your point is Ankh.

(03-29-2012, 05:41 AM)Ankh Wrote: As to the discussion of Carla being mystical christian, and it's alleged influence on the material I would like to add following quotes:

Blah-blah-blah

What this is about, in my understanding though, is how each, reading the material, distorting it.

Shin'Ar Wrote:What exactly does this quote have to do with Carla's Christian background?