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RE: Ra on marijuana - AnthroHeart - 11-10-2011
Aren't there 100's of strains of cannabis? Which strain is used for this connection to spirit?
I've heard Northern Lights are too strong, can make one hallucinate.
RE: Ra on marijuana - Namaste - 11-10-2011
(11-10-2011, 09:58 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Aren't there 100's of strains of cannabis? Which strain is used for this connection to spirit?
I've heard Northern Lights are too strong, can make one hallucinate.
In my experience, intention is key. That and a sensible dose :¬)
RE: Ra on marijuana - Aureus - 11-10-2011
Cannabis consists mainly of two psychoactive substances. One hallucinatory anThed the other is more pain relieving. Look for strains with a majority of CBN, that is the desired substance. those strains or types are called Sativa. The other ones called indica is cbd dominated.
Sorry for spelling faults, writing with cold fingers on a smartphone, might edit when i get home
RE: Ra on marijuana - Namaste - 11-10-2011
You guys know a lot about chemicals :¬)
RE: Ra on marijuana - Bring4th_Austin - 11-10-2011
I smoke cannabis about once a month, sometimes less, sometimes more. I feel that if it is used ritualistically instead of habitually, the benefits increase a huge amount. I've been a pothead before, smoking all day every day, and while I had a great time and loved weed dearly, it made me complacent and numb. Like many, weed was a strong catalyst for me to awaken to new ways of thinking, expanded taste and a greater appreciate for life and everything it contains.
However, I feel the greatest benefit it gives us is the ability to transcend our normal way of thinking and see things from a different perspective. And to me, the most efficient way to do this is to use it sparingly and ritualistically.
Although, I'd be lying if I said I only do it as a ritual. I mean, what's better than getting high, chowing down on some good food, and watching a funny movie?
It becomes harmful to our spiritual progression when used for "oblivion rather than amusement" is what Hatonn suggests.
Also, a rather interesting note, during a Q'uo session a questioner asked why they had such negative side-effects to marijuana (like many do), and Q'uo said that it was planned by the person's Higher Self as a means to keep them sober so their spiritual energies are not dampened, and they awaken naturally rather than through aid of substances.
RE: Ra on marijuana - godwide_void - 11-10-2011
(11-09-2011, 10:18 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: No, I used the freebase Harmine and Harmaline, which are powders. I've heard Syrian Rue can be ruthless.
Just mix with OJ to create a salt form of it, for easy absorption. I also eat just a little bit of buttered toast to aid in digestion.
Yeah, they say that freebase ones can upset the stomach. So if you can get salt form, like hydrochloride, it makes it easier on the stomach. There was a little nausea before with the freebase version.
Haven't tried the Caapi though. Isn't that the MAOI's, that combine with the DMT? People also use p.viridis or something like that, and mix with the caapi.
There are 3 types of caapi I believe, white, yellow and black. Or maybe it's red, yellow and black. Can't recall.
The B. Caapi vine technically IS Ayahuasca. Ayahuasca means "vine of the dead/souls" and is the traditional proponent of the sacred brew made by the natives, and oftentimes one will ingest a caapi-only brew to receive visions as it is the primary Teacher Plant. As for oral ingestion of DMT freebase does not absorb well and can upset the stomach, thus it is better to use the fumarate form of it or simply mix the freebase with lemon juice and stir, creating DMT citrate which is more readily absorbed.
(11-09-2011, 10:41 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Y'all need to stop that stuff. Y'all sound like martian pharmacists.
Or far-out psychonauts seeking entheogenic gnosis through molecular spirit technology.
(11-09-2011, 11:49 PM)UnifyingFactor Wrote: I've never tried any of these chemical gadgets you speak of myself, but I am attempting to reach these expanded states through shear will, faith, and desire. It would have to be possible considering the chemicals are just a shortcut to the brains natural potential anyway.
Hi, this is my first post. I'm glad to be with you my brothers and sisters of light.
Love + Light
Welcome to Bring4th, my friend.
I highly commend and applaud you for your chosen path, and these states are indeed possible through sheer will, faith and desire. It is speculated that during deep states of meditation there is an endogenous release of DMT; it is further speculated that this neurotransmitter, present in all forms of animal and plant life, including humans, plays a very key role in maintaining and sustaining all states of consciousness, dreams, death, birth, and trance-induced visionary states.
Godspeed, and namaste.
(11-10-2011, 07:07 AM)Namaste Wrote: I'm on the same path, although I have experienced altered states through certain substances, with the intent of the exploration of consciousness, the Self.
Ayahuasca is another dimension and has to be experienced to be understood in my opinion. Even then's it's incredibly hard to vocabulate (that should be a word) the experience to another, spoken/written language is far too limited. Getting to that state without 'help' might be rather difficult :¬)
Bashar calls such things (substances) permissions slips, and offers the advice to set the intention (retuning the pineal) before sleeping (over a period of weeks). This can offer dreams and experiences of such state, which can then be brought through in meditation.
Precisely. There is no doubt about it that it's fairly difficult to describe the psychedelic experience to those who have not undergone it. Ayahuasca/DMT is, on the other hand, simply impossible to fully articulate to another individual. You can cover "infinite jewelled chambers of impossible and majestic symmetrical geometric patterns eternally waltzing and coalescing" and "tiny self-transforming machine elves" and "alien entities", but beyond that our language stumbles over itself and trying to explain it further would give off the impression you're a madman through and through.
RE: Ra on marijuana - Aureus - 11-10-2011
(11-10-2011, 02:00 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I smoke cannabis about once a month, sometimes less, sometimes more. I feel that if it is used ritualistically instead of habitually, the benefits increase a huge amount. I've been a pothead before, smoking all day every day, and while I had a great time and loved weed dearly, it made me complacent and numb. Like many, weed was a strong catalyst for me to awaken to new ways of thinking, expanded taste and a greater appreciate for life and everything it contains.
However, I feel the greatest benefit it gives us is the ability to transcend our normal way of thinking and see things from a different perspective. And to me, the most efficient way to do this is to use it sparingly and ritualistically.
Although, I'd be lying if I said I only do it as a ritual. I mean, what's better than getting high, chowing down on some good food, and watching a funny movie?
It becomes harmful to our spiritual progression when used for "oblivion rather than amusement" is what Hatonn suggests.
Also, a rather interesting note, during a Q'uo session a questioner asked why they had such negative side-effects to marijuana (like many do), and Q'uo said that it was planned by the person's Higher Self as a means to keep them sober so their spiritual energies are not dampened, and they awaken naturally rather than through aid of substances.
How would using it for "oblivion" be explained? It sounds to these channeled beings that cannabis is something harmful, how is that?
Now I'm not saying that I'm using it on a daily basis, but I thought it could at least be a good tool as an alternative to (long) meditation.
Every ancient society had a shaman. A person that traveled into other dimensions and perspectives to further evolve culture.
Please quote more channeled messages about cannabis
RE: Ra on marijuana - godwide_void - 11-10-2011
(11-10-2011, 02:55 PM)Wander Wrote:(11-10-2011, 02:00 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I smoke cannabis about once a month, sometimes less, sometimes more. I feel that if it is used ritualistically instead of habitually, the benefits increase a huge amount. I've been a pothead before, smoking all day every day, and while I had a great time and loved weed dearly, it made me complacent and numb. Like many, weed was a strong catalyst for me to awaken to new ways of thinking, expanded taste and a greater appreciate for life and everything it contains.
However, I feel the greatest benefit it gives us is the ability to transcend our normal way of thinking and see things from a different perspective. And to me, the most efficient way to do this is to use it sparingly and ritualistically.
Although, I'd be lying if I said I only do it as a ritual. I mean, what's better than getting high, chowing down on some good food, and watching a funny movie?
It becomes harmful to our spiritual progression when used for "oblivion rather than amusement" is what Hatonn suggests.
Also, a rather interesting note, during a Q'uo session a questioner asked why they had such negative side-effects to marijuana (like many do), and Q'uo said that it was planned by the person's Higher Self as a means to keep them sober so their spiritual energies are not dampened, and they awaken naturally rather than through aid of substances.
How would using it for "oblivion" be explained? It sounds to these channeled beings that cannabis is something harmful, how is that?
Now I'm not saying that I'm using it on a daily basis, but I thought it could at least be a good tool as an alternative to (long) meditation.
Every ancient society had a shaman. A person that traveled into other dimensions and perspectives to further evolve culture.
Please quote more channeled messages about cannabis
Marijuana cannot substitute deep meditation. It may, however, assist and enhance it.
RE: Ra on marijuana - Namaste - 11-10-2011
(11-10-2011, 02:46 PM)godwide_void Wrote: Precisely. There is no doubt about it that it's fairly difficult to describe the psychedelic experience to those who have not undergone it. Ayahuasca/DMT is, on the other hand, simply impossible to fully articulate to another individual. You can cover "infinite jewelled chambers of impossible and majestic symmetrical geometric patterns eternally waltzing and coalescing" and "tiny self-transforming machine elves" and "alien entities", but beyond that our language stumbles over itself and trying to explain it further would give off the impression you're a madman through and through.
I met the machine elves on my first sitting, just before the full effect came into play. Very interesting beings!
A good description of the experience, by the way :¬)
RE: Ra on marijuana - AnthroHeart - 11-10-2011
I haven't seen the elves. Just freaky clowns.
yeah, fumarate. That's the form I made of the DMT. It's hard like a rock.
RE: Ra on marijuana - godwide_void - 11-10-2011
(11-10-2011, 03:02 PM)Namaste Wrote:(11-10-2011, 02:46 PM)godwide_void Wrote: Precisely. There is no doubt about it that it's fairly difficult to describe the psychedelic experience to those who have not undergone it. Ayahuasca/DMT is, on the other hand, simply impossible to fully articulate to another individual. You can cover "infinite jewelled chambers of impossible and majestic symmetrical geometric patterns eternally waltzing and coalescing" and "tiny self-transforming machine elves" and "alien entities", but beyond that our language stumbles over itself and trying to explain it further would give off the impression you're a madman through and through.
I met the machine elves on my first sitting, just before the full effect came into play. Very interesting beings!
A good description of the experience, by the way :¬)
Haha, did they act in the manner that McKenna described and jumped in and out of your body and acted like playful children, handing cosmic Faberge eggs to you/each other and create objects through their voices?
I've personally never encountered the elves, but as Gemini Wolf just mentioned, I've seen some odd clown/jester entities dancing around and a number of other beings that resembled mechas from Japanese anime. I've also witnessed what was telepathically relayed to me as being the 8th Density (simply put, gigantic void-wide throne constantly expanding with numerous star systems embedded in each inch of its being) but that in no way is a "typical" experience from it as far as I know.
RE: Ra on marijuana - Bring4th_Austin - 11-10-2011
(11-10-2011, 02:55 PM)Wander Wrote: How would using it for "oblivion" be explained? It sounds to these channeled beings that cannabis is something harmful, how is that?
To start, please remember that these channeled beings (L/L Research particularly) urge us to ALWAYS use our own discernment. Dismiss any information you find which does not agree with your being. That being said, they do not necessarily say that cannabis is innately harmful. It has risks which may not apply to every user. I'll link the sessions at the end of this post.
As for oblivion, I interpret it as consistent use for escapism. I lived in a house full of potheads, and after a while of constant daily use, life not high became boring and unbearable, and if we could not get high then we were fiending and grouchy.
Also, even without constant use, if one uses it to forget about their problems instead of confronting them, then it would be oblivion.
Quote:Now I'm not saying that I'm using it on a daily basis, but I thought it could at least be a good tool as an alternative to (long) meditation.
I agree completely with godwide_void, I don't feel it is an alternative to deep meditation. I also feel like meditating sober is better for feeling spiritual energies and allowing them to flow and communicate with your being. L/L channeled entities would agree with that.
Quote:Every ancient society had a shaman. A person that traveled into other dimensions and perspectives to further evolve culture.
An important point here would be that shamans use substances like this ritualistically, and are also very adept at spiritual work, probably more adept than anyone you have met within our cultured society.
Here's a recent Q'uo session regarding marijuana. It is the second question asked near the middle of the transcript.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2011/2011_0212.aspx
Quote:In general, my brother, if you want to obtain maximally useful results from your observations and your witness during incarnation, you are best served by a completely pure and this instrument would say “sober,” base. Every substance you ingest, every substance you drink, creates not just one, but several different effects within the body, and, as the one known as S has said, it is quite so that every seeker will have a different experience of apples or asparagus or marijuana. However, none of asparagus’s side effects impact the spiritual life whereas in the case of marijuana, its effect on the spiritual life is inconstant and untrustable.
The basic principle involved in this opinion is that principle which suggests that you will be able to open your mind, your body, and your spirit more and more as you become lit from within, as you become kindled by that spirit that yearns for the perfect devotion, the truly whole giving of the self to service. As you persist along this line of seeking the veil thins for you, little by little, in a way which is safe for you.
The difficulty that we see with the use of marijuana in the spiritual seeking is that it enables you to experience an environment for which you are not naturally prepared. Thusly, while the experience is a good one, perhaps, at the time, the side effects that come with the use of marijuana, mainly the damping of the energies that you would normally have in more abundance, create the sum total experience of a positive time that you could not fully use because it was artificially created, and the cumulative effects of the use of marijuana, which involve weariness and a lack of motivation.
RE: Ra on marijuana - Aureus - 11-10-2011
Thanks for the info! Yeah for me it's not escapism, I simply see things clearer. Although you can't always bring everything back, at all. I use it to analyze and understand people's behaviour and how to interpret it correctly. At least the last time I used it I felt like I somehow penetrated something, not like having visions but just having wisdom. I've learned many things with the use i cannabis, some of which have become great tools for understanding.
About the energies, often on marijuana I feel my heart beating like crazy, in the spiritual way. It felt like my whole body was jolting from energy
The reason I don't meditate a lot is because I feel it doesn't yield anything new. It just calms me down and centers me, I only use it when I am totally overwhelmed by emotion. Then it is like a warm blanket of spirit embraces my ego-mind and talks to it like a mother to a child.
RE: Ra on marijuana - AnthroHeart - 11-10-2011
(11-09-2011, 07:07 AM)Namaste Wrote: That is the best rendition of Ayahuasca consciousness I've seen, especially the bit where you travel through biology into the energy (patterns) underneath - the fabric/template of this place.
Amazing!
Full length HD version here, watch it 720p in full screen :¬)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwxqkNbO7A
I like this. Thank you for posting. The music really makes it.
RE: Ra on marijuana - BlatzAdict - 11-15-2011
(11-08-2011, 05:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Give it to me. I want any experience available.
Paranormal, that is
u can do a bit torrent search for dick sutphens past life regression mp3 series?
RE: Ra on marijuana - 3DMonkey - 11-15-2011
(11-15-2011, 03:16 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote:(11-08-2011, 05:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Give it to me. I want any experience available.
Paranormal, that is
u can do a bit torrent search for dick sutphens past life regression mp3 series?
put a torrent bit in my what?
RE: Ra on marijuana - BlatzAdict - 11-15-2011
don't know if i'm really using it for oblivion... whenever i partake it in it of itself is to meditate and to settle my stomach so i don't puke
also to keep my weight up.
though as far as being lazy i don't know, i'm one of those productive stoners..
generally it wakes me up..
also every time i do it i can see energy fly in the air better and with more clarity.. coming out of everything around me, the rocks, my body, the trees, animals,
(11-15-2011, 04:24 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:(11-15-2011, 03:16 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote:(11-08-2011, 05:55 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Give it to me. I want any experience available.
Paranormal, that is
u can do a bit torrent search for dick sutphens past life regression mp3 series?
put a torrent bit in my what?
i emailed you instructions
check your dashboardRE: Ra on marijuana - Aureus - 11-17-2011
(11-15-2011, 05:13 PM)BlatzAdict Wrote: also every time i do it i can see energy fly in the air better and with more clarity.. coming out of everything around me, the rocks, my body, the trees, animals,
So you see the 'noise' as well?
RE: Ra on marijuana - AnthroHeart - 11-20-2011
(11-10-2011, 10:43 AM)Wander Wrote: Cannabis consists mainly of two psychoactive substances. One hallucinatory anThed the other is more pain relieving. Look for strains with a majority of CBN, that is the desired substance. those strains or types are called Sativa. The other ones called indica is cbd dominated.
Sorry for spelling faults, writing with cold fingers on a smartphone, might edit when i get home
Wander, what does it mean if it contains dro. Someone used that term to me. Does that mean cbn?
RE: Ra on marijuana - Bring4th_Austin - 11-20-2011
(11-20-2011, 07:36 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(11-10-2011, 10:43 AM)Wander Wrote: Cannabis consists mainly of two psychoactive substances. One hallucinatory anThed the other is more pain relieving. Look for strains with a majority of CBN, that is the desired substance. those strains or types are called Sativa. The other ones called indica is cbd dominated.
Sorry for spelling faults, writing with cold fingers on a smartphone, might edit when i get home
Wander, what does it mean if it contains dro. Someone used that term to me. Does that mean cbn?
"Dro" is a term for hydroponically grown cannabis. It's often used by people who don't know what they're talking about, or want higher prices for weed.
RE: Ra on marijuana - Oceania - 11-20-2011
what's CBN? i want pain relieving without hallucinatory stuff. is that indica or sativa?
RE: Ra on marijuana - AnthroHeart - 11-20-2011
I want something to help with my in-tuneness with nature and getting back my power that I lost through being on my med.
RE: Ra on marijuana - Bring4th_Austin - 11-20-2011
(11-20-2011, 09:03 PM)Oceania Wrote: what's CBN? i want pain relieving without hallucinatory stuff. is that indica or sativa?
For pain relief without strong hallucinogenic effects, a low-THC indica would be best. Indica highs are very relaxing and stress-relieving. It's best for "nighttime tokers."
(11-20-2011, 09:44 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I want something to help with my in-tuneness with nature and getting back my power that I lost through being on my med.
Experiencing a sativa high while immersing yourself in nature will definitely bring this effect. Sativa highs are generally not as relaxing as indica highs, but they have have more of a cerebral effect that can be directed and experienced in different ways.
Per forum guidelines, I am not suggesting the use of these substances, rather just relaying information on their general effects.
RE: Ra on marijuana - AnthroHeart - 11-20-2011
Bridge, I appreciate your input. Very informative.
Here's a little video for fun.
RE: Ra on marijuana - Oceania - 11-21-2011
thanks Bridge.
RE: Ra on marijuana - Liet - 11-25-2011
the reason cannabis is counter productive to one who is already set on a spiritual journey is because... while it does strengthen your root and heart chakras, it does that at the cost of your brow and solar plexus.....
which explains the loss of dreaming, lack of motivation and mind agility etz.
if your root and heart chakras are in fit condiction, you will constantly be as warm and relaxed as one who is high.
and in the same manner, if both your your solar plexus and brow chakras are in fit condition, your need for most psycadelic drugs should be non existant.
for me, cannabis was that which caused me to discover meditation (by accident).. but beyond that, it didnt serve any purpose beside that of a sleeping aid.
RE: Ra on marijuana - Oceania - 11-25-2011
why do you claim it is like that for everyone?
RE: Ra on marijuana - godwide_void - 11-25-2011
Yeah, that certainly doesn't explain the Sadhu's of India and their frequent ingestion of cannabis in order to greater ponder the cosmic nature of the Creator.
RE: Ra on marijuana - Liet - 11-25-2011
(11-25-2011, 03:46 PM)Oceania Wrote: why do you claim it is like that for everyone?look at the aura of someone who regularly smokes weed, the more often this drug is ingested, the closer the persons aura is to red/green..
Quote:Yeah, that certainly doesn't explain the Sadhu's of India and their frequent ingestion of cannabis in order to greater ponder the cosmic nature of the Creator.the root chakra makes you stop doing and start being, this results in becoming philosophical
RE: Ra on marijuana - Oceania - 11-25-2011
and the aura colors mean chakras?
what about pink? is that the root chakra?
i thought the root chakra made you do.