(03-15-2011, 01:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: On the other hand, it's perfectly natural to want to avoid undue suffering.

(03-15-2011, 10:33 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

(03-15-2011, 01:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: On the other hand, it's perfectly natural to want to avoid undue suffering.

What exactly do you mean natural? Is it unnatural that I don't worry about something like that?

(03-15-2011, 10:35 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(03-15-2011, 10:33 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

(03-15-2011, 01:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: On the other hand, it's perfectly natural to want to avoid undue suffering.

What exactly do you mean natural? Is it unnatural that I don't worry about something like that?

No no no. Both are natural, common, realistic. It isn't one or the other.

(03-15-2011, 10:33 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:

(03-15-2011, 01:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: On the other hand, it's perfectly natural to want to avoid undue suffering.

What exactly do you mean natural? Is it unnatural that I don't worry about something like that?

(03-12-2011, 05:23 PM)unity100 Wrote: there seems to be great resistance to the idea of death on average. for some reason.

(03-14-2011, 06:53 AM)unity100 Wrote: what you perceive as 'terrible' is just death, which has happened to all of these people over and over and over and over endless times from 1d to this late 3d life up until now. even when in 4d, there is still life and death, in 5d, there is still life and death, and in 6d, there is still life and death - then only in 7d it stops, with the stopping of reproduction because 'the need to reuse body complexes end'.

its this society's perception that makes death 'terrible' for them.

ra sees this as something that is just trivial, transient and normal. this is explicitly stated even regarding the earth changes, and it is dubbed as 'conditions that bring harvest'.

(03-16-2011, 02:35 AM)hogey11 Wrote: @unity100, I hear what you are saying about us dying due to 3D necessities, but what if 3D death has nothing to do with physical death? What if it is a death of our perception of the world rather than the destruction of the physical body? I would argue that the physical body is our 2D self - not 3D. With this said, what does a 3D death mean if it's defined as "self-awareness"? This is what i'm trying to get through....

http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2011/2011_0108.aspx Q'uo (Hatonn) Wrote:We would note also, before we begin that because of requests within the circle, the speaker this evening is Hatonn rather than Latwii. Nevertheless, we call ourselves the principle of Q’uo because all of us, Hatonn, Latwii, and those of Ra, collaborate in responses to these questions.

You ask concerning the higher self—what precisely the higher self is and how it relates to you through your incarnation. We would begin by describing to you this higher self in a way that may make some sense to you in terms of your linear mind and your intellect.

If you stay strictly within space/time in the world of manifestation, you can only go as far as the end of third density. In order to progress further, you move into fourth density; into the precincts of time/space; into the environment of energy from electricity or electrical energy as opposed to the energies of chemicals and the distillation process that goes on in your physical body at all times as you distill the helpful ingredients within foods for the use of your physical vehicle and eliminate the dross or the extra.

However, if you consider that in third density you still retain the energy body that will carry you into fourth density, and that has carried you through your incarnation, then you can go further with your intellectual considerations. So please imagine yourself in your indigo-ray body, moving into incarnation in third density, aligning with the physical vehicle and connecting to it by means of the silver cord, so called. Then imagine that same body, at the end of the physical incarnation, releasing its hold upon the physical body that is no longer viable and moving into the process of graduation, first in the indigo-ray body, then in the violet-ray body. And once the steps of light have been walked and you have graduated into fourth density, [imagine] moving back into the indigo-ray body and then into physical incarnation of the electric type rather than the chemical type.

You do this throughout the long reaches of fourth density and fifth density. Finally, you graduate to sixth density, having learned the ways of love and the ways of wisdom. In sixth density, still in your electrical body, you refine and refine the lessons of love and wisdom, combining them again and again until you find the secret to acting with compassionate wisdom or wise love.

Ultimately, you reach a point somewhere in the midst of sixth density when you discover that all that you have ever desired has been satisfied except for the hunger and thirst for the Creator. And so you turn from the world of desire. You no longer think of what you will do next. You only think of the Creator. And that draws you ever closer to the seventh density, the Density of Foreverness.

At the point at which you find that you have achieved all your goals in the outer physical world, have performed all the services you hoped to perform and have integrated all of the learnings that you hoped to gather, you turn back to the past, so-called only in space/time, and you give to yourself a gift. You give to yourself a thoughtform in which is stored every lesson that you have learned, every gift that you have expressed, every dream and hope that has fired your journey. You give the highest and best self of which you are capable within third density, within fourth, within fifth, and within sixth, to yourself. That thoughtform, called the higher self, can also be called the “magical personality.”

(05-02-2014, 09:38 PM)Parsons Wrote:

Quote:Q'uo:
However, if you consider that in third density you still retain the energy body that will carry you into fourth density, and that has carried you through your incarnation, then you can go further with your intellectual considerations. So please imagine yourself in your indigo-ray body, moving into incarnation in third density, aligning with the physical vehicle and connecting to it by means of the silver cord, so called. Then imagine that same body, at the end of the physical incarnation, releasing its hold upon the physical body that is no longer viable and moving into the process of graduation, first in the indigo-ray body, then in the violet-ray body. And once the steps of light have been walked and you have graduated into fourth density, [imagine] moving back into the indigo-ray body and then into physical incarnation of the electric type rather than the chemical type.

I find the concept of inhabiting an electrical vehicle rather than a chemical vehicle to be fascinating and would like to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter 3 years later. Specifically, I am trying to picture how a dual activated 3D/4D vehicle would work and if it would be considered hybrid chemical/electrical.

In the interest of free flowing discussion, I will ask that discussion of the Q'uo channelings being 'Carla's subconscious bullshit' (or whatever you want to call it) be tabled or moved to another thread.

(05-02-2014, 11:17 PM)anagogy Wrote: So the space/time manifestation begins to be equal parts energy and matter in fourth density. In 5th density, the space/time physical manifestations becomes almost all energy. By 6th density, the physical manifestation, or space/time incarnate body just appears as pure light, pure energy.

(05-02-2014, 11:17 PM)anagogy Wrote: I can tell you that if you were to physically see 4th density matter, whether it be during an STS abduction experience, contact with positive 4th density ET's, or perhaps some kind of ethereal materialization, that from your 3rd density physical point of view it would appear very "casper the ghost-ish" (for lack of better description). It would appear very translucent, sort of "plasma-eey-ish". Ra uses the word "ectoplasm" to describe the appearance of this body.

Quote:And as Ra has told us, they have a much easier time remembering life before physical life. In general, they have a plethora of psychic experiences without any training or effort. They sense subtle energies easily.

(05-13-2014, 12:15 AM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Ra used the term "ectoplasm" to describe the green-ray body, which I believe it would be improper to compare this to the 4th density body. Ra speaks of the different "ray bodies" as bodies available to us within this 3rd density incarnation, and of 3rd density entities exploring these bodies.

(05-13-2014, 12:15 AM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Where on the other hand, Ra rather specifically says that higher density bodies are not activated for a typical 3rd density experience. The closest we have are the dual-activated individuals, with 3rd and 4th activation. But to say that the ray bodies are the same as the bodies we inhabit in each density would mean that Ra discusses 3rd density entities activating their higher density bodies within this lifetime, which they explicitly says does not happen (and if it did, dual activated entities would not be rare or unique, or really worth mentioning).

(05-13-2014, 12:15 AM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I do remember Ra saying that dual activated individuals will have a thinner veil, but do they connect this to having an easier time remembering experience prior to this incarnation?

Quote:Instead of shedding the chemical body completely, what if it still existed to some extent, to solidify our presence in space/time as we refine our bodies more and more, like anagogy said?

Ra Wrote:62.29 During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third density.
Thus in fourth density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.

Ra Wrote:17.38 The invisible, or inner, third-density planes are inhabited by those who are not of body complex natures such as yours; that is, they do not collect about their spirit/mind complexes a chemical body. Nevertheless these entities are divided in what you may call an artificial dream within a dream into various levels. In the upper levels, desire to communicate knowledge back down to the outer planes of existence becomes less, due to the intensive learn/teaching which occurs upon these levels.

21.7 Questioner: Were there any of these entities then incarnated in second density before the 75,000-year cycle?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. These particular entities were incarnate in time/space third density, that is, the so-called inner planes, undergoing the process of healing and approaching realization of their action.

23.6 The nexus, or center, of our efforts was a decision upon our parts that there was a sufficient calling to attempt to walk among your peoples as brothers.
We laid this plan before the Council of Saturn, offering ourselves as service-oriented Wanderers of the type which land directly upon the inner planes without incarnative processes. Thus we emerged, or materialized, in physical-chemical complexes representing as closely as possible our natures, this effort being to appear as brothers and spend a limited amount of time as teachers of the Law of One, for there was an ever-stronger interest in the sun body, and this vibrates in concordance with our particular distortions.

Quote:due to the necessity for concentration upon..............the third density you experience

(06-09-2014, 11:20 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I heard that if an entity of higher density drops down to 3D for too long they can become stuck in our density. I'm not sure if that's true due to karma and such. If they dropped down and became tangled in karma, they might become stuck. And I wonder when they drop down into 3D if they suddenly have a veil come over their mind. That would be a bit scary to lose connection like that.

(03-07-2011, 05:29 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 08:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-06-2011, 08:38 PM)Etude in B Minor Wrote: When the 3D body dies the 4D body will still be there and will then be fully active in the 4D landscape. So, the dual-activated people now on Earth will live out their 3D lives as usual and then will be fully active in their 4D bodies without going through the usual time/space after death stuff - they will just pick up where they left off in 4D.

Could you explain how that could be the case, considering this Q/A?:

Quote:63.14 Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.

so basically we are all going to die eventually ?

there is also the curious case of the incrementally 4d bodies. in the process of the 4d bodies being produced from 3-4d bodies' reproduction, these bodies would increasingly exhibit 4d characteristics. that is, if the eventual 4d body to be used is going to be arrived at at the end of series of generations. it would be another curious case if 3-4d bodies gave birth to fully 4d bodies in just one go.

(01-08-2017, 05:50 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: Sri and sta is a distortion in which form is given to how you serve. Sto serve the other self or all, sts serve the self. It is good to note, that no matter the orientation, everyone serves the creator. Of you love others, you love yourself, if you love yourself, you love yourself. In an energetic since sto can be seen to have an activated heart chakra and radiate energy/love freely. The sta can be seen to have the heart chakra very blocked off, and they absorb energy instead of radiating. These energetic qualities redound into mental configurations and have to a large extent a lot to be explored in fourth density.