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RE: Why should I care about becoming everything again? - Adonai One - 06-17-2014
Conciousness + Phenomena = Spirit (Reality)
The spirit is just consciousness undergoing change.
RE: Why should I care about becoming everything again? - anagogy - 06-18-2014
(06-17-2014, 09:09 PM)vervex Wrote:(06-17-2014, 01:44 AM)anagogy Wrote: So how do you personally define mind, body, and spirit vervex?
In all honesty, I do not have a clear cut answer to this question for you anagogyBut here's my current understanding of the mind, body and spirit:
Consciousness in its purest form is the mind. The mind is pure thought; it does not have form, but it is what gives birth to form. It is without vessel, it is the realm of thought, potential and ideation.
The mind gives rise to form; the body. Light is furthermore a physical manifestation which imbues all forms. It is the primordial manifestation. The reality we experience and navigate, the body, is, in my understanding, an abstraction of light.
The spirit is, in my understanding, the domain of thought and form interacting seamlessly.
I believe it is difficult for us to grasp the full extent of the spirit from our view point as we are immersed in the body to such an extent we become unaware of parts of the mind. The form is both a result of an expression and (temporary) suppression of the mind, hence the perception of limitation we experience.
Furthermore, I do not make a difference between spirit and soul; to me, they are synonymous. I see no reason to see them as disparate and I believe employing them as separate concepts is a misunderstanding of the nature of the spirit. That is, of course, my personal opinion.
Thanks. Your explanation helps me characterize your perception of the experience you described.
Your perception is similar to mine, but somewhat different.
From my perspective, how I define them is:
mind = inner subjective consciousness expression
body = outer objective consciousness expression, or, as you say "form"
spirit = the shuttle or relationship of energy, information, or consciousness between macrocosmic undifferentiated intelligent infinity, and the microcosmic Logos which is the mind/body/spirit complex
The mind, body, and spirit, in my view, circumscribe the boundary of what I would call a "soul", or "self". The distinction between "inner" expression and "outer" expression depends on the apex of "self" for these distinctions to exist. The distinctions don't exist in pure "spirit", or intelligent infinity, which is just undifferentiated beingness or consciousness.
RE: Why should I care about becoming everything again? - Unbound - 06-18-2014
(06-17-2014, 04:23 PM)Adonai One Wrote: We are deterministic creatures. Everything will be spawned and return to timelessness and there is nothing we can do about it.
Will is a choice and choice is unconciousness of timelessness.
Effort is unneccessary in my view. We will just have to disagree.
I think you and I have a different understanding of what "effort" is. To me, all of will is effort, so all of the creator's experience of itself is effort. If I understand correctly, you are saying effort in regards to 'extraneous will' or doing anything other than being pulled/pushed along the path of least resistance? Effort, in my mind, is not 'necessary' either, because it is fundamental, foundation but let us not fool ourselves in to thinking that because effort is inherent in all action that it is anything less or more than effort. Am I correct that you are more referring to seemingly extraneous will or effort which is beyond that which is inherent (although if everything is inherent as you say I don't understand how such a thing could be possible even as an interpretation because thus all interpretations are also inherent)?
RE: Why should I care about becoming everything again? - Adonai One - 06-18-2014
Effort to me means pushing against oneself to attain something. Effort to me doesn't exist as there is nothing to act against and nothing to attain. All is one.
To act within effort is to believe that some possibility has to be attained and others cannot and should not happen to a varying degree.
All interpretations are existing at once. We simply have the illusion of being conscious of only one.
RE: Why should I care about becoming everything again? - Unbound - 06-18-2014
(06-18-2014, 01:59 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Effort to me means pushing against oneself to attain something. Effort to me doesn't exist as there is nothing to act against and nothing to attain. All is one.
To act within effort is to believe that some possibility has to be attained and others cannot and should not happen to a varying degree.
All interpretations are existing at once. We simply have the illusion of being conscious of only one.
One doesn't do anything with itself?
RE: Why should I care about becoming everything again? - Adonai One - 06-18-2014
One is inherently itself?
Tanner, this is some of the best philosophical discussion I have had so far in my life. Just so you know.
RE: Why should I care about becoming everything again? - Unbound - 06-18-2014
Then we have a redundancy loop because for something to be inhered is to qualify the One according to an inferred character in a state of perception equivalent with the total perception of the Creator. Therefore, for anything to be anything, the Creator must realize itself fully, entirely as that thing, which it is capable of doing through the Matrix and Potentiator. Maximum potentiation results in manifestation. The process of potentiation is the building up of "spiritual mass" to the point that it is an activated aspect of the Matrix. Manifestation is the activation of the Matrix. All of the elements of experience are filtered through the Matrix which as a spider's web catches the droplets of consciousness which are naturally laced upon its pathways, forming a reality of experience which is constantly changing the state of potentiation the Creator is in by an infinite feedback loop.
This potentiation process is what I call effort. Will and effort are synonymous, practically, in my mind and so having "no will" is basically a state of complete lack of effort, however the Creator is constantly "Willing". From that all will is then a spout from the fount of the Creator's will, each traveling its own path. Whether "no will" or "absolute will" it is Creator's will, and so the effort of all existence is primarily that of the Creator. However, that being said, as you have said, the One is inherently itself, so how could there be any effort or will in actuality?
This is revealed in the secrets of division, of halving. The One can be Two without ceasing to be One. One over two plus one over two. Thus, absolute will and no will are completely at the grasp of the Creator and therefore by inheritance the individualization of the Creator. The question is not whether or not absolute will or no will exists but whether or not we are capable of having a choice between one or the other. Absolute will and no will ultimately are the same thing because "no will" cannot exist without there being a "willingness" to be ceased which is thereby found in the necessity of the absolute will. Therefore "free will" is actually the dynamic tension between absolute will and no will which is primarily regulated by degrees of freedom. It may be asked, if the will is free, then why or how can it be regulated? I say, freedom is not to be confused with chaos and chaos is not to be confused with dynamic order.
The reason there are parameters which are applicable to the use of free will is because the freedom of choice can only be defined by geometry or a state of differentiation in which the Creator is abstracted from itself via a self-reflection inversion of sorts. Thus by this self inversion the inner infinite possibilities are manifested through potentiation of the matrix in to a schematic of infinite finite design and patterning which results in the myriad modes of experience which experience itself as an existence according to the Creator's design which is forever and innately woven according to a seed/core program which is continuously recapitulating itself through an absolute resonance resulting in configurations of frequency patterns that are projected in to the "outer sphere" (to use my previous metaphor of the point (Creator) in the circle (Free Will of the Creator)).
So that being said, the Creator IS effort, and this is perhaps my real point here, that the effort of the Creator is the experience of itself. This happens by a reflection of itself inverted to the point of complete and absolute willingness and unwillingness separated as the fundamental elements of existence. These are the masculine and feminine in the most basic modes of the mind. There is only One but the One is None and the All is All that is there but the One is the All that is None.
There is complete effort in every single activity in existence, and at the same time, none at all and at the same time, there is the complete spectrum of possible effort expressing itself continuously. The actual experience of struggle or effort on a human level is a microcosm of the expression of this dynamic upon the many levels and planes of the human being. The will is ever dynamic, moving from static to dynamic and back again, a dynamism within a dynamism. Kind of like an XY controller used in electronic music. It has an amplitude and a frequency which adjust the actual flow of intelligent energy which is that which potentiates through the matrix.
Anyways, I have rambled on enough aha I also appreciate this conversation, it is a great way to tango with my own thought patterns.