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RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - ScottK - 05-26-2014
(05-26-2014, 06:22 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:20 PM)ScottK Wrote:I don't work within the concept of light and dark at this time.(05-26-2014, 05:37 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Sovereignty is inherent. It's a redundant concept. To assert sovereignty is to assert what already exists. I consider myself sovereign in all things.
You may *consider* yourself sovereign, however, without question, others are claiming sovereignty over you. That's how the darkside operates - they get you to agree or contract with them in a way that takes away your sovereignty - most definitely deceptively, but they claim authority by the deception.
At least, that's how it works in physical reality, but I would certainly imagine that's the way it works in spiritual realms as well.
That doesn't matter. You currently are experiencing the interplay between STO and STS just by being a part of this illusion.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Adonai One - 05-26-2014
I experience people with varying levels of will, some that overpower mine just as the gravity of this planet overtakes my choice to propel my body into space.
It's all just varying levels of negative power. The wills that attempt to falsify our desires are the ones we tend to view as "evil."
There are negative powers I do not prefer but I do not give them a name of distaste.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - ScottK - 05-26-2014
(05-26-2014, 06:22 PM)Adonai One Wrote: There are those whose will is far greater than my own in regards to my life.
Then you are not Sovereign?
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Adonai One - 05-26-2014
(05-26-2014, 06:36 PM)ScottK Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:22 PM)Adonai One Wrote: There are those whose will is far greater than my own in regards to my life.
Then you are not Sovereign?
All wills are my own even those I am not conscious of, all to be accepted. Are you not all things?
Everything in this universe negates (e.g. stepping on grass and killing it) something and introduces polarity. We will be without polarity when we accept this inherent negation as a part of the experience.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - ScottK - 05-26-2014
(05-26-2014, 06:37 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:36 PM)ScottK Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:22 PM)Adonai One Wrote: There are those whose will is far greater than my own in regards to my life.
Then you are not Sovereign?
All wills are my own even those I am not conscious of, all to be accepted. Are you not all things?
Yes, however all individuated wills have free will. So, if another's will is to destroy you, will you choose to allow that since that will is a part of your will being a part of the One?
This is the painful paradox of third density. There's a time to accept another's will completely and a time to not accept another's will because you love yourself and won't allow yourself to be destroyed by another (though you may accept and love the other's will in a spiritual sense).
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - reeay - 05-26-2014
(05-26-2014, 06:26 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:25 PM)reeay Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:23 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:22 PM)reeay Wrote: Do you understand others? it's like 'we are all bozos on the same bus' type of deal.
I consider the potential truth of what others provide, yes.
Sorry you lost me there.
Given the anecdotes of people's life experience, I will consider the potential likeness of our interpretations of reality. If there are similarities an understanding may form.
So I can reflect back to you, what you had said in chat and say, 'you might also lack the understanding of others'.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Adonai One - 05-26-2014
Indeed. I lack the conception of reality most here do. A lack of understanding is a mutual status in a relationship. It's synonymous with my statement.
I continue to share in hope of eventual resonance but not an expectation of such. I expressed that desire in chat.
(05-26-2014, 06:53 PM)ScottK Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:37 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:36 PM)ScottK Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:22 PM)Adonai One Wrote: There are those whose will is far greater than my own in regards to my life.
Then you are not Sovereign?
All wills are my own even those I am not conscious of, all to be accepted. Are you not all things?
Yes, however all individuated wills have free will. So, if another's will is to destroy you, will you choose to allow that since that will is a part of your will being a part of the One?
This is the painful paradox of third density. There's a time to accept another's will completely and a time to not accept another's will because you love yourself and won't allow yourself to be destroyed by another (though you may accept and love the other's will in a spiritual sense).
I do not prefer to die. I accept the potentiality of dying dictated by my will in contrast with the others in a unified focus. All desires quantified universally makes a universal desire for a given experience. All is one. I accept everyone's will completely as I am. We are all a reflection of complete unity as we are.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - ScottK - 05-26-2014
(05-26-2014, 06:54 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I do not prefer to die. I accept the potentiality of dying dictated by my will in contrast with the others in a unified focus. All desires quantified universally makes a universal desire for a given experience. All is one. I accept everyone's will completely as I am. We are all a reflection of complete unity as we are.
So let me go back to my original question. Have you made an agreement or contract, perhaps inadvertently, which would allow this entity to do what it's doing?
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - vervex - 05-26-2014
For the ones who have had trouble with the link, I took a screenshot on my end and you may view it here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7TcEhdZfcfTWMxZ3p0YzJZY0U/edit?usp=sharing
Don't forget to click on the 100% button on the top-left to see it full-size
Thanks again everyone
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Adonai One - 05-26-2014
(05-26-2014, 07:06 PM)ScottK Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:54 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I do not prefer to die. I accept the potentiality of dying dictated by my will in contrast with the others in a unified focus. All desires quantified universally makes a universal desire for a given experience. All is one. I accept everyone's will completely as I am. We are all a reflection of complete unity as we are.
So let me go back to my original question. Have you made an agreement or contract, perhaps inadvertently, which would allow this entity to do what it's doing?
I assume no due to the absurdity and mystical nature of the question.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - ScottK - 05-26-2014
(05-26-2014, 07:09 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(05-26-2014, 07:06 PM)ScottK Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:54 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I do not prefer to die. I accept the potentiality of dying dictated by my will in contrast with the others in a unified focus. All desires quantified universally makes a universal desire for a given experience. All is one. I accept everyone's will completely as I am. We are all a reflection of complete unity as we are.
So let me go back to my original question. Have you made an agreement or contract, perhaps inadvertently, which would allow this entity to do what it's doing?
I assume no due to the absurdity and mystical nature of the question.
Did you ever say as a kid "I wish I were dead"? Is it really that absurd?
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - reeay - 05-26-2014
It's rather perplexing and tricky when responding to you, Adonai. You speak in absolutes and appear very set in your perspectives; you share your principles of how people should live like it's an absolute, and then ask for others to be discerning (contradiction). So then the response swings to the other side of the spectrum in reaction to your absolutist perspective. We all join in with you, just voicing the antithetical perspective.
Discussions ensue and people start analyzing your character or suggest courses of action for you - and that can be painful bc it may seem like it's degradation or a judgment upon someone's character and capabilities. It's natural to see one's philosophies as part of one's personal distortions, so discussions might get personal.
So we are all bozos in the same bus because we're dancing to the same tune here. Thread after thread we repeat this dynamic.
It's just perplexing too that am not sure you are really believing your absolutist perspective here or if you are playing your archetype 23, devil's advocate. As much as this can be a service so people can learn, we are obviously running in circles time and time again. If devil's advocate is what you are doing it's chaotic. Buuut if people want to participate it's not a problem. By all means continue the game.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Alex Zachary - 05-26-2014
In all seriousness, Adonai and Vervex, I hope you find your way to Austin again, or maybe even move here since you were both thinking about a change, as i had such an amazing time with you for coffee. I'll take care of that big bad voodoo spirit, promise ! I'm talking out of experience here. I can swallow those meanies !
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Adonai One - 05-26-2014
(05-26-2014, 07:18 PM)reeay Wrote: It's rather perplexing and tricky when responding to you, Adonai. You speak in absolutes and appear very set in your perspectives; you share your principles of how people should live like it's an absolute, and then ask for others to be discerning (contradiction). So then the response swings to the other side of the spectrum in reaction to your absolutist perspective. We all join in with you, just voicing the antithetical perspective.
Discussions ensue and people start analyzing your character or suggest courses of action for you - and that can be painful bc it may seem like it's degradation or a judgment upon someone's character and capabilities. It's natural to see one's philosophies as part of one's personal distortions, so discussions might get personal.
So we are all bozos in the same bus because we're dancing to the same tune here. Thread after thread we repeat this dynamic.
It's just perplexing too that am not sure you are really believing your absolutist perspective here or if you are playing your archetype 23, devil's advocate. As much as this can be a service so people can learn, we are obviously running in circles time and time again. If devil's advocate is what you are doing it's chaotic. Buuut if people want to participate it's not a problem. By all means continue the game.
I'm only absolute in believing there are no absolutes to believe in. My philosophy is simply this: Everything is true. I genuinely apply this and believe this.
I am afraid I don't understand what you want from me. I am expressing myself wholeheartedly.
(05-26-2014, 07:14 PM)ScottK Wrote:More like "If I live or die, everything is well."(05-26-2014, 07:09 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(05-26-2014, 07:06 PM)ScottK Wrote:(05-26-2014, 06:54 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I do not prefer to die. I accept the potentiality of dying dictated by my will in contrast with the others in a unified focus. All desires quantified universally makes a universal desire for a given experience. All is one. I accept everyone's will completely as I am. We are all a reflection of complete unity as we are.
So let me go back to my original question. Have you made an agreement or contract, perhaps inadvertently, which would allow this entity to do what it's doing?
I assume no due to the absurdity and mystical nature of the question.
Did you ever say as a kid "I wish I were dead"? Is it really that absurd?
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - vervex - 05-26-2014
(05-26-2014, 08:59 PM)Alex Zachary Wrote: In all seriousness, Adonai and Vervex, I hope you find your way to Austin again, or maybe even move here since you were both thinking about a change, as i had such an amazing time with you for coffee. I'll take care of that big bad voodoo spirit, promise ! I'm talking out of experience here. I can swallow those meanies !
Hahaha Alex, every chance you get you remind us we should move to Austin
It was great meeting you! Looking forward to have another coffee when we visit again, if we're lucky within the upcoming year or so. Immanuel wants to stay a few more years in Montreal but we've talked of Austin as a possibility for the future. Hopefully you'll still be there when we move to the USA in a few years, hehe In the mean time, much love
P.S. Why don't YOU come over to visit Canada, eh?
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - xise - 05-26-2014
Brother, I've found one's major catalyst is the last to change. Don't forget to remind yourself of how far you have come in terms of all catalyst, and through that bask in the faith that one day you too shall overcome your life catalyst.
You're very intelligent. You've shown great strides since you've joined this forum. Your growth speaks for itself. Even if you cannot see how to get to your destination, have faith in your road. Have faith in yourself.
There is no question in my mind about how your life will turn out: I know you can and will resolve your life's catalyst. Just be patient, have faith, and be your ever inquisitive self.
We're all rooting for you over here Manny!
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - reeay - 05-27-2014
(05-26-2014, 09:10 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I'm only absolute in believing there are no absolutes to believe in. My philosophy is simply this: Everything is true. I genuinely apply this and believe this.
I am afraid I don't understand what you want from me. I am expressing myself wholeheartedly.
I'm not wanting anything from you. I'm giving you an impression and feedback of how it seems from my perspective. I can say too, that I don't know what you want from me or anybody else. If you say this is truth, and then someone says, yes but... Then you state your view as truth again without acknowledging the truth in others' perspective - it's like crazy-making. Point is, I dunno if you treat everything as true. If you did, we'd not be having these threads go on and on in the same manner.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - anagogy - 05-27-2014
(05-26-2014, 06:12 PM)vervex Wrote: There is a thread which I created on another forum 2 days ago. I did not share it here initially as I did not feel comfortable discussing such private matters so openly. However since Immanuel has brought up his side of the experience, I thought "why not". Writing this helps me make sense of some recent and older events. Immanuel and I have been through a lot and while we do our best to remain grounded and positive, we face moments of puzzlement in front of the numerous events that we encountered this past year. If you have time and if you are interested in reading it, here it is: http://www.tealtribe.com/t/about-possession/5413
Keep in mind it is but one interpretation of the issue we are facing. This is perhaps a fraction of all which has happened but it touches most of the core experiences we had as well as the understanding we have of it at this time, seen through my eyes. I welcome feedback if you have any. Thank you
EDIT: If link is broken, try clicking here (this would be a link to the last post - I suggest scrolling up to the top to read that one as well).
EDIT 2: If it still doesn't work (the mysteries of the world wide web are quite appalling today!), try copy/pasting this: tealtribe.com/t/about-possession/5413
And if this doesn't work, well... I have no clue hahaha
EDIT 3: Alright, try this folks! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7TcEhdZfcfTWMxZ3p0YzJZY0U/edit?usp=sharing
(05-26-2014, 09:10 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I'm only absolute in believing there are no absolutes to believe in. My philosophy is simply this: Everything is true. I genuinely apply this and believe this.
I'm going to offer you some unsolicited advice... If it is unwanted, or unwelcome, I apologize. In which case, just ignore it and go on as you have been.
I agree with you in some sense -- everything is true. What equals truth in your experience is simply whatever vibrations you have active within you. The law of attraction gathers like vibrations to you. You will find evidence for whatever is dominantly activated within you. Vibrations are activated by your attention to them. To the degree they are activated, you call them varying degrees of "reality", varying degrees of "belief". The law of attraction is always on. It doesn't take smoke breaks, or coffee breaks, or bathroom breaks.
You are always coalescing a reality about your consciousness.
Spirit attachments are real. It happens. I've seen people play with ouija boards long enough that they started experiencing real metaphysical poltergeist phenomena in their homes. All sorts of crazy spirit attachments. It's frightening stuff. They would feel people watching them while they slept, while they ate, while they showered. Personal possessions would go missing, lights would turn on by themselves, doors open themselves, they hear footsteps and there is no one there. They would be attacked in their sleep, in their dreams, wake up with scratch marks down their legs. A whole continuum of phenomena ranging from the extreme to the very mundane ominous feeling.
Now here's the thing that is hard for people to accept. There is no assertion in an universe predicated on attraction. Things are always invited by the vibrations you activate through your attention to them. So when you are attacked by a negative spirit, their whole method of attaching themselves to you is a matter of getting you to notice them. The more you notice them, the more active they may become in your experience. You don't invite them through your words, though it can seem that way at times. They are invited through the attention behind those words, the attention behind the thoughts.
I've seen this occur with hauntings, people try to bless the spirits away, to challenge the beings way, invoke a higher power.
Even Ra said regarding negative psychic attacks, "To downgrade these experiences by the use of intellect or the disciplines of will is to invite the prolonging of the effects. Far better then to share in trust such experiences and join hearts and souls in love and light with compassion for the sender and armor for the self."
It is like trying to fight fire with fire. It just makes more fire usually. Most of time, it has little effect, because they are WAY more concentrated on the negative activity than they are the positive higher forces. The higher positive forces are also limited to interaction by the dominant vibrations activated within you. Nobody can usurp your own creative power unless they find a way to voluntarily usurp your attention and consequently, the vibrations activated within you, which are the basis for vibrational attraction in the first place.
It's kind of funny when you get right down to it, though not funny to the one suffering from spirit attachment.
So how to make it go away? You have to a find a way to ignore it. It sounds so simple and easy right? Not so much, it turns out. It is like trying not to think of a pink elephant. You just thought about a pink elephant. You have to stop validating its reality. Kind of ironic that I just created a wall of text *validating* its reality and then proceed to tell you to do the exact opposite of that, haha.
To deactivate a vibration, you have to activate a different vibration. To the degree that the vibration is activated, it will be variably hard to ignore. Thoughts have a sort of momentum to them, you see, and this momentum can be difficult to slow down at first.
The greatest contrast to psychic attack, is the atmosphere of psychic support.
I've seen people get rid of attachments this way. It took a bit of time, but by ignoring haunting activity in their homes it gradually lessened, became a rare occurrence every now and then, and finally ceased altogether. At that point, when the negative momentum has come to a rest, is a great time to start the positive momentum going and do all the lubby dubby new age crystal, salt, sage mumbo jumbo (I'm being facetious haha). The reason being that from a place of extreme negativity, you don't really have vibrational access to thoughts of true positivity. You only have access to thoughts or vibrations within your vibrational range due to the momentum factor I talked about before. Trying to jump too far vibrationally often just results in a backlash of resistance and more deeply entrenching your attention in what currently is, rather than what you desire to be.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Melissa - 05-27-2014
What I don't understand is you claiming to be happy while you can't feel any (inter)connectedness? Though I find this hard to believe considering the content of some of your threads. The times I felt disconnected were emotionally sterile and I felt exhausted ALL the time, far from what I'd consider 'happy', or healthy, so I'm curious to know how this works for you?
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Adonai One - 05-27-2014
(05-27-2014, 12:05 AM)reeay Wrote:(05-26-2014, 09:10 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I'm only absolute in believing there are no absolutes to believe in. My philosophy is simply this: Everything is true. I genuinely apply this and believe this.
I am afraid I don't understand what you want from me. I am expressing myself wholeheartedly.
I'm not wanting anything from you. I'm giving you an impression and feedback of how it seems from my perspective. I can say too, that I don't know what you want from me or anybody else. If you say this is truth, and then someone says, yes but... Then you state your view as truth again without acknowledging the truth in others' perspective - it's like crazy-making. Point is, I dunno if you treat everything as true. If you did, we'd not be having these threads go on and on in the same manner.
I want you to be as you are which is that I expect nothing from you.
I believe everything is true including negations of truth that are necessary to fulfill desire. That's the catch.
I treat your statements as true in unison with my own. None get sacrificed and I am not going to change your view by force.
(05-27-2014, 01:21 AM)Melissa Wrote: What I don't understand is you claiming to be happy while you can't feel any (inter)connectedness? Though I find this hard to believe considering the content of some of your threads. The times I felt disconnected were emotionally sterile and I felt exhausted ALL the time, far from what I'd consider 'happy', or healthy, so I'm curious to know how this works for you?
I feel everything is connected as-is. I see no links. I literally see one being. My perspective doesn't even take a lot of work. You simply need to look at the core roots of it all, starting at the photon. I work on the faith that all is well as-it-is. I just rationalize it.
As for weary feelings, I love these feelings but I choose to go on. I ask the people of the galaxy everyday to aid and all I get in return is "Soon, when the time is right." But I choose, at the same time, to enjoy what I have for there is pleasure in all things, even suffering. This suffering is true to me in its being, its truth in its value, in that it serves.
Anagogy, metaphysical methodology that hasn't been proven in my practice earns only my skepticism. I will see what the future holds. My wife seems to be interested in your methodology.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - vervex - 05-27-2014
Thank you anagogy, I highly resonate. I've been trying to find what was wrong with me all this time, or how to cease the (annoying) affliction. In the end, little came out of it as it doesn't seem to come out of a clear imbalance. I'll stick to the "s*** happens" conclusion for now, haha, and move on to not recognizing the entity or the thought-form's power over me for a while, see if it bears results. From a place of acceptance I cannot pretend the entity/thought-form does not exist (attempting to falsify anyone's existence would be denial in my opinion), but I can sure state that it has no influence over my life.
To be continued...
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Melissa - 05-27-2014
[edit : too personal to ask on a public forum]
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Adonai One - 05-27-2014
It is only with an intent to see the world as it is does one find the peace to accept it as it is. To do otherwise is to deny yourself or live in denials.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Ankh - 05-27-2014
(05-26-2014, 03:46 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(05-26-2014, 11:24 AM)Ankh Wrote: I don't get it. What does this have to do with your major catalyst, as you called it yourself, with working 40 hour week?Suffering beckons suffering. A 40 hour work week makes me suffer along with the suffering listed, believe in it or not.
Dude, you worked ONE FULL month at Wal Mart! It made you to suffer, fine. But dude, it was just ONE month.
In regards to your psychic greetings, do you think that your situation is unique or that you're special in some way? We're all targets here. We're all greeted. And we all suffer. But if you wanna play your Archetype 23 card, that's fine too. As long as it serves your evolution, but it's like reeay said - you keep repeating in the same manner in thread after thread.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Spaced - 05-27-2014
What is all this Archetype 23 business?
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - native - 05-27-2014
*Note in the other thread that Archetype 23 necessarily invoked the creation of Archetype 24, The Smart Ass, simultaneously
*Note
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Ankh - 05-27-2014
(05-27-2014, 11:28 AM)Spaced Wrote: What is all this Archetype 23 business?
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=9125&pid=152584#pid152584
(05-27-2014, 11:54 AM)Icaro Wrote: Not that Ankh is embodying Archetype 24, The Smart Ass, in response
Actually, the Archetype 24, is The Great Distortion of the Body, or as it was called by our people Lazy dog.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Adonai One - 05-27-2014
(05-27-2014, 11:20 AM)Ankh Wrote:(05-26-2014, 03:46 PM)Adonai One Wrote:In regards to your psychic greetings, do you think that your situation is unique or that you're special in some way?(05-26-2014, 11:24 AM)Ankh Wrote: I don't get it. What does this have to do with your major catalyst, as you called it yourself, with working 40 hour week?Suffering beckons suffering. A 40 hour work week makes me suffer along with the suffering listed, believe in it or not.
Yes.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Horuseus - 05-27-2014
Dropped you a PM Tina.
RE: How I interpret one of my life's most major catalyst... - Plenum - 05-27-2014
(05-27-2014, 12:00 PM)Ankh Wrote: Actually, the Archetype 24, is The Great Distortion of the Body, or as it was called by our people Lazy dog.
Archetype 25 is the ice cream; which is the long promised understanding that one needs to finish a meal to enjoy the desert, When fully understood, and incorporated into the core of the mind/body/spirit complex, the ice cream is seen in an even purer form, that of the chocolate ice-cream. Adepts from many galactic centres have incarnated into the Inner Planes of your Earth in the great desire to understand the mystery of the chocolate ice-cream, and to fully relish that first bite, the subsequent swallow, and then the release of cosmic energies at the stomach chakra level.
if there are any more queries, one full question may be answered with the remaining energy levels at this time.