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RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Parsons - 02-02-2014
Because I had run across the Ra Material before ever hearing of Wilcock, I didn't find much interest in his work (besides my then obsession with the 2012 phenomenon).
What I always come back to, despite my lack of resonance, is Wilcock's large audience which is referred to the Ra Material. Some people use Wilcock's information as a stepping stone to find more sophisticated material (for lack of a better term), and truly reach a level of 'awakening' enough that they have a much better potential to polarize for harvest.
So while some say all he does is shovel BS, I appreciate he is genuinely helpful in some indirect way to spiritual evolution.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Adonai One - 02-02-2014
If Mr. Wilcock simply meditated properly, I think his channeling would have turned out differently.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - isis - 02-02-2014
(01-30-2014, 06:34 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I've bought David Wilcock's Wanderer Awakening and thoroughly enjoyed it. Gots good music.
i bought David's WA, right after it was released, & thoroughly enjoyed 2 tracks out of 50.
it's interesting that he says WA was written by a 6th density entity named Ra...but a different Ra than Carla's Ra...
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - reeay - 02-02-2014
I think DWs was Ra-Ta, his higher self which was part of the Ra smc. The distinction made is pretty clear that DW's Ra-Ta is not the Ra that L/L channeled but some aspect of it.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 02-02-2014
(02-02-2014, 01:41 PM)rie Wrote: I think DWs was Ra-Ta, his higher self which was part of the Ra Social Memory Complex. The distinction made is pretty clear that DW's Ra-Ta is not the Ra that L/L channeled but some aspect of it.I'm fairly certain the distinction of "Ra-Ta" actually came after "David's Guidance System" and the unqualified "Ra" as in Ra of the Ra Material. His Ra of the Ra Material was sort of like a personal life coach and cheer leader.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Adonai One - 02-02-2014
Heh, Ra offering channeling as individuals; They will not do this. I channel my parallel self in the group and they find it humorous I choose an individual over the group only as personalized guidance. Ra will never have an individual speak alone as a public channel, only in a private guiding capacity.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - reeay - 02-02-2014
That's true Ra-Ta came after. That was cayce's past life so he assumed it was his, too. Maybe I'm thinking of Carla's perspective here - she had mentioned it was an aspect of Ra but not Ra as in Ra from L/L material.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Spaced - 02-02-2014
I remember DW used to claim he was channeling the same Ra as llresearch but then went back and said it turned out to actually be his own subconscious.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Adonai One - 02-02-2014
http://divinecosmos.com/contact-us/privacy-policy/118-chapter-03-the-story-of-ra-ta
Edgar Cayce, imo, is getting some interference.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 02-02-2014
(01-31-2014, 09:02 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Gotta love the non-judgmental judgments of what must constitute a "loving state of being". lol. caught with pants down.
Austin - indeed.
ZM - "Spiritual bypassing" is not an absolute truth. It's an intellectual construct within 3D, one that you obviously support and promote. And of course, that's entirely fine.
Applying the label "Spiritual Bypassing" to another, however, is projection. You're seeing what you want to see. You cannot assume you know - truly, another's state of being. I don't claim to, and the original intent behind the post, which ruffled some feathers, was simply to highlight that some language/mannerisms seemed more STS than STO.
While you're seemingly unable to consider that some people act with compassion or understanding different to your own, I assure you it's possible. Not everything falls under neatly defined labels, and not everything can be understood intellectually, fitting nicely into one's own structure of knowledge.
Peace.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 02-02-2014
The "Spiritual Bypassing" phenomena is actually an umbrella term and describes behavior quite rampant in these forums and fits very well in many particular situations, and of course is not "absolute truth". Also, not sure where that idea came from, because those that use "absolute truth" (as if) are also engaged in, you guessed it, "spiritual bypassing". Anyway, the shot was called and there to be used take it or leave it like water off of a ducks back. Oh yes, I don't claim to know another's "state of being" whatever that means but I may call out judgmental, hypocritical behavior - regardless of the individual's own justifications for it (i.e. coming from a "knowing", higher-vibration or an accepting, loving place of observation).
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - isis - 02-02-2014
(02-02-2014, 03:11 PM)Spaced Wrote: I remember DW used to claim he was channeling the same Ra as llresearch but then went back and said it turned out to actually be his own subconscious.i didn't kno there was a time when he claimed he was channeling the same Ra as llresearch. good to kno, thanks for sharing.
i remember he claimed before that every single thing he communicates is his Ra communicating...it's just that some things come from a deeper level of trance he said.
& he claimed that if u want to be able to channel the Ra yourself (his Ra) all u must do is purchase his "access your higher self" video (for $77) then of course do what all it says to do.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 02-02-2014
I have but one word left to add: namasté.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - yossarian - 02-10-2014
(02-02-2014, 03:11 PM)Spaced Wrote: I remember DW used to claim he was channeling the same Ra as llresearch but then went back and said it turned out to actually be his own subconscious.
He said both.
In his channelling the contact said it was Ra.
Then later it also said it was David's higher self.
So this led to the theory that David is an incarnation of Ra, a wanderer from Ra. This is still David's running theory--his higher self is identical to Ra and Ra has promised him that he is amassing tremendous positive karma and when he dies he will re-enter the 6th density and have a light body.
So what is all this? It's overidentification with the Jungian archetype of the Self. It's a mental illness described by Jung that leads to megalomania--sort of a permanent manic state where the person believes they are better than everyone else and has tremendous feelings of power to back it up. Unfortunately they haven't actually integrated the Self with their other archetypes, with their ego and shadow. Rather, they have identified with the Self without integration.
All of David's followers are types who project their manna personalities--particularly the guru personality with superior knowledge--onto David. They idealize him and find it impossible to see him as anything but a numinous angel of light that has come to save them, guide them, teach them, lead them. Everything he says makes perfect sense and is golden because they are inhabiting this numinous world where their own higher Self is projected onto him.
At the end of the day where is the truth content? What arguments or facts or knowledge is he presenting? Well as a matter of fact, he is presenting nothing new. All of his information is just lifted from other sources--most of those sources being quite bad and discredited.
There is no new material, but there is a new twist to it, and the twist is his own personality cult. The twist is how he offers people a personal relationship with God, and he is seen as God, though, like every Pope or Guru, he only claims to be God's Representative on Earth, not God himself. But his followers don't know the difference and worship him like God.
So it's yet another spiritual cult.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - BlatzAdict - 02-19-2014
I honestly think the lot of you are a bit too critical, and david wilcock served his time. He was able to put together many things into one neat package to grant an entrance to understanding it all.. To which most others have not come anywhere near close, in terms of population injection of ideas.
I also think he brings nothing new to the table, and that he's put together what many others have researched. One wonders if the chicken or the egg came first. The process came first.
However, without him an infinite number of connections would not have been made including myself. I did not trust him at first I wanted to substantiate it all so I read the Law of One. I did not hold an opinion until much later. As time speeds along, I find more and more, that was the purpose, because that is what happened, in many ways more ways than you can fathom period. Unless you can literally find out the literal story behind each view watching his info and where they are coming from.
WHY instantly detract from, minimize, or criticize, unless you can do better. Seriously.
And of course he brings nothing new to the table ALL OF CREATION WAS HERE AND FIGURED OUT LONG BEFORE HUMANS WERE HERE, and much of you most likely have been through it in the first place as well!!!
I read something about price and value... If you set value to something, it becomes cherished and valued. When you get it for free it's as easily mimicking whatever happened in the first octave. While the statement of price and value itself certainly does not apply to all beings as there are many different modes of thinking. I certainly believe that PRICE itself is a condition of the limitation or if not babying of the forces imposing those very structures, it does add a sort of depth of learning to the soul, albeit in the tendency towards greed.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - isis - 02-19-2014
i bet u $, if u told him u thought he brought nothing new to the table he would highly disagree.
i listened to a radio show once where he claimed he thought something, or figured out something, that should get him the nobel prize
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 02-19-2014
What is "population injection of ideas"?
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Marc - 02-20-2014
I'm thankful he introduced me to the Ra material with his source field investigations. After I started reading the Ra material and not his interpretation of it, I grew exponentially in my understanding. I'm glad he was there in my life, but I could care less about what he has to say about anything now. It just doesn't resonate in me and never really has. The work he pointed me to was fascinating, but not him or his take on things.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fang - 02-20-2014
Quote:WHY instantly detract from, minimize, or criticize, unless you can do better. Seriously.Because I can do better and have done so, and will do again
Most people that defend David Wilcock defend him because they personally may not have found the Ra material without him, which like it or not is a pretty self centered way to think about it, like I said many people don't (or aren't willing to) see the bigger picture here.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Horuseus - 02-20-2014
(02-20-2014, 02:35 AM)Fang Wrote: because they personally may not have found the Ra material without him
Quote:like I said many people don't (or aren't willing to) see the bigger picture here.
I would have thought that was the bigger picture? Spirit uses all sorts of props to guide an individual, and DW just so happens to be one of them.
Yes, he may not be the best example to go by and follow from a certain perspective, but even that in itself provides useful catalyst.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fang - 02-20-2014
That's the thing, people are thinking of how he affected them as an individual , not how he has effected everything with his inverse midas touch. I know I asked what people personally thought of him, so answers of that nature were expected but when people defend him for these reasons it makes me shake my head and grin devilishly.
The universe does revolve around the individual. And while it's fair enough to go "well they affected me this way" and then draw a generalization as to assume that he had the same effect on the collective, it's not true.
Personal catalyst is one thing, an individual in a position of addressing collectives in the manner DW did is irresponsible and foolhardy.
To view everything in terms of opportunities for personal growth even when at the expense of others is something people perhaps should think twice about.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - manniz - 02-24-2014
David is certainly a very special human being. This guy thinks:
- That he was one of the primary contacts, when Ra interacted with Egyptians.
- That he was Edward Cayce.
- That he is a perfect candidate for Nobel Prize.
- That all the secret information is known to him, and we should just accept it. I am pretty damn sure that he just an internet trawler, like many of us. His expertise is mainly using self-promotion to propagate his theories based on his internet trawling.
- And lets be frank here. Him talking to his higher self, which is part of Ra is probably just David talking to the celebrity David, and hearing back what he wants to hear.
He is definitely introducing many people to Law of One, and this somehow seems impressive to many people here. I grew up in India, and all this talk of consciousness, reincarnation etc. was a daily staple. Yet, it was so polluted, so over-ridden with superstitions, pride and money-seeking that in my 20s I had lost all interest in the creator/god/consciousness concept.
So, personally, to me, a turd with a jewel in it is still a turd. Though, ofcourse, thanks to the turd for letting me find the jewel in it. Everyone on this forum is really nice, so sorry about using the turd reference, but this whole "charlatan leads me to God, so charlatan is good/valuable" meme is very irritating to me, because it pervades Indian society and is linked to India's sad situation:
Half of the world's slaves are in India right now.
One-third of all poor. Probably more, since Indian government fudges up the real data.
151st in terms of pollution with world's most polluted cosmopolitan area being its capital.
And, yet India has a Wilcox at every street corner, introducing people to the higher consciousness. Infact Wilcox would be an amateur, compared to some Indian Babas, since there isn't as much market/competition in the west for attention/money when it comes to New Age ideas. Wilcox, Goodchild will have a hard time setting up a similar shop in India, since the competition for prophecies, attention-seeking, celebrity-dome is very intense in my birth-place. If some Indian Babas had better English, western-PR skills, they would sweep the American market for 200/hr ascension sessions, and 100/hr tarrot readings.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - isis - 02-24-2014
lol edward
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - reeay - 02-24-2014
His higher self 'threatened him' - that if he did not disclose to the world that he was Edgar Cayce incarnate, higher self would cut him off lol. I think he's being guided through his intuition and his dreams and whatnot. My hypothesis is that he interprets these guidance in a way that he wants the world to be, so his information is very much the reflection of his own desires and needs and hopes and dreams.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Matt1 - 02-24-2014
Having followed Wilcock for quite a few years now, since about 2006. I get the feeling that people loosely look into his research and jump on the bandwagon of thinking he's negative. Based on many of the comments i am reading its clear to me that people haven't really followed him long term but make a judgement on some loose information kicking around the internet.
If i had just found out about Wilcock i would probably think the same if i hadn't read the books, followed his blog monthly for numerous years. I don't say i always agree with every little point he makes but the general message and research resonates well with me.
I would say before making a judgement on the guy take some serious time looking into his research. In my honest opinion i think people are still a little hurt over the 2012 thing. Regardless of what we might think , we are all the same at heart and he brought many people here which in my eyes can only be a good thing.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - manniz - 02-24-2014
I just found out that he also claims that he could have been Shakespeare and Pythagoras in past lives. Maybe its my upbringing in India, exposed to charlatans on a regular basis, but I don't have much respect for this kinda business. Some of the nicest, kindest people get trapped by these spiritual-shops, and almost always these kinda spiritual setups are very authoritarian, so they end up limiting your spiritual expression.
The best thing about Carla-Don was how they simply wanted to explore, and communicate their findings to the world. Not looking for attention, leadership, money etc. Though that kinda humble approach doesn't get you a huge audience. So, maybe its one of many humorous/ironic ways of consciousness to use Wilcox/Blossom Goodchild types to guide people towards spiritual seeking. All I know is that this stuff has been endemic in India leading to disastrous results. An aspect of India that westerners don't know much about. Karma, re-incarnation have been thoroughly co-opted into caste and class systems, and charlatans may introduce people to spirituality, but it almost always leads to control/fear/superstitions becoming the primary spiritual tools. Oh well.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Matt1 - 02-24-2014
I think it would be nice if people start posting links to what they are referring to with quotes.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Plenum - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 02:36 PM)manniz Wrote: The best thing about Carla-Don was how they simply wanted to explore, and communicate their findings to the world. Not looking for attention, leadership, money etc. Though that kinda humble approach doesn't get you a huge audience. So, maybe its one of many humorous/ironic ways of consciousness to use Wilcox/Blossom Goodchild types to guide people towards spiritual seeking. All I know is that this stuff has been endemic in India leading to disastrous results. An aspect of India that westerners don't know much about. Karma, re-incarnation have been thoroughly co-opted into caste and class systems, and charlatans may introduce people to spirituality, but it almost always leads to control/fear/superstitions becoming the primary spiritual tools. Oh well.
yes, those are good thoughts Manniz.
I am reminded of this in relation to positive groups, and those that are desiring to make a change in the world:
Quote:"62.23 Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Nearly all positive channels and groups may be lessened in their positivity or rendered quite useless by what we may call the temptations offered by the fourth-density negative thought-forms.
They may suggest many distortions towards specific information, towards the aggrandizement of the self, towards the flowering of the organization in some political, social, or fiscal way.
These distortions remove the focus from the One Infinite Source of love and light of which we are all messengers, humble and knowing that we, of ourselves, are but the tiniest portion of the Creator, a small part of a magnificent entirety of infinite intelligence."
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - reeay - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 02:39 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I think it would be nice if people start posting links to what they are referring to with quotes.
My information comes from his interview (the first one I think) with project camelot.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Matt1 - 02-24-2014
(02-24-2014, 03:51 PM)rie Wrote:(02-24-2014, 02:39 PM)Matt1 Wrote: I think it would be nice if people start posting links to what they are referring to with quotes.
My information comes from his interview (the first one I think) with project camelot.
http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/david_wilcock_interview_transcript_1_en.html
I had a search through using Higher Self and Edgar Cayce, i couldn't find what you are referring to.
*Edit
I searched through all 4 parts and couldn't find anything like that.
Quote:It's interesting too, 'cause Edgar Cayce claimed that one of his past lives was Pythagoras and the Illuminati/masons cite Pythagoras as one of their main influences, because he basically reconstituted the Atlantean knowledge that had been dispersed throughout the world.
David gives one of the best past life incarnation cases i have seen. So if that makes sense then the above might also make some sense, based on what we know about Edgar Cayce.
Quote:14.32 Questioner: Where did the information come from that Edgar Cayce channeled?
Ra: I am Ra. We have explained before that the intelligent infinity is brought into intelligent energy from eighth density or the octave. The one vibratory sound complex called Edgar used this gateway to view the present, which is not the continuum you experience but the potential social memory complex of this planetary sphere. The term your peoples have used for this is the “Akashic Record” or the “Hall of Records.” This is the last question which you may now ask.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8COnb-ADFsY
The above although it does include the whole 2012 title, goes over some good information in my eyes, not only does all the astrology works out as close as possible but even all of his family and friends seem strangely close to that of cayce's
I guess its up to the reader to make his or her mind up but rather than throw out random information i believe its good to look at the information he has put out.