unity100 Wrote:....

(10-28-2010, 11:25 AM)Aaron Wrote: (Addressed to unity) How can you say "i dont 'insist' on everything is either ok, or not ok." after saying "everything is either ok, or not ok."?

Quote:At this point, I don't have much to offer that may change your view. However, I think what must be understood is that the higher density consciousnesses that take an interest in our evolution, and even ourselves outside of incarnation as potential wanderers, see things from a much different point of view. I can hazard a guess that from a STO point of view, it's as if we are one body, and the wanderers are simply blood cells being sent to a place that's injured. My point is, though the goal is to prevent "wrong choices" (as we in duality would define them) from being made, the intention of higher density consciousnesses may be slightly different. They may not be so involved in our planet because they're trying to prevent a loss, but rather, because they perceive the universe in a different way. You may be projecting our thinking onto them.

(10-28-2010, 12:56 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: ...........

(10-29-2010, 06:33 AM)unity100 Wrote: IF, you say, due to ANY reason, there are 'some' things that are 'better not done', then it means EVERYthing is not ok.

(10-29-2010, 10:02 AM)Aaron Wrote: unity, You seem to be unable or unwilling to adopt the viewpoint that from the biggest perspective (i.e. the Creator, or the Infinite Intelligence that created the concepts of "ok" and "not ok") that things are BOTH simultaneously ok and not ok. I think that's the ultimate conclusion of my argument, and I've said all I can say in regards to that.

(10-29-2010, 11:32 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: But wait! I never did say that. I said that one path is more expeditious than the other. I like Ra's roadmap analogy. We are interested in getting from one place to another. We can take the direct route, a more scenic route, or go the opposite direction for a while and then meander around until we eventually stumble upon our destination. To the One Creator, none of these routes is preferable. All of them are okay. And in an infinite universe, there will be some number of entities that take each different route.

Within that reality, there are wanderers and guardians and guides and higher selves that help those along each path, but with an inherent bias toward a more expeditious route back to the One Infinite Creator. Still, free will is paramount and will trump the bias every time.

Everything really is okay. And everything really will work out fine, and it really is all up to you. If you choose to destroy the planet. THAT'S FINE. And if you do, then that choice - and the resulting path - is one that I will be a part of, because I chose to be here when you took your action. There are no accidents, but there are surprises.

Love and Light,

3D Sunset

unity100 Wrote:and ? how does 'creator' factor in to this ? so, because nothing would change for that 'creator', lets destroy entire universe. actually, this octave too. because, nothing would matter.

or, alternatively, to see the illogicality of the picture here, just shove a pin through your pinky finger. it may hurt, but, after all, in the bigger picture, your body is intact, right ? nothing of value is lost.

ra depicts 'the creator' as a single being. but apparently, despite that, its ok for its parts to destroy themselves then ....

(11-01-2010, 07:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: the creator you speak of, has created this octave in hierarchical, organized order, as Ra tells us.

(01-27-2011, 12:31 PM)Confused Wrote:

(11-01-2010, 07:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: the creator you speak of, has created this octave in hierarchical, organized order, as Ra tells us.

Yes, I have wondered on this point intensely since coming across and reading the LOO. If 'hierarchy' is seen as a pecking order, then I fail to understand why even the positive forces in creation implement it (or at least that is what it seems to me)?

(01-27-2011, 01:11 PM)unity100 Wrote: (infinite cannot have a center as far as i see it, despite what Ra says - 'central' means finite however you approach it - ra says infinity has a center - but that would make infinity organized, therefore, it would lack the unorganizedness complement that is required to make it completely infinite).

Quote:13.5 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the first known thing in the creation?

Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.

(01-27-2011, 12:31 PM)Confused Wrote:

(11-01-2010, 07:48 AM)unity100 Wrote: the creator you speak of, has created this octave in hierarchical, organized order, as Ra tells us.

Yes, I have wondered on this point intensely since coming across and reading the LOO. If 'hierarchy' is seen as a pecking order, then I fail to understand why even the positive forces in creation implement it (or at least that is what it seems to me)?

I do not think we are getting the full picture about the One Infinite Creator, and great positive forces too move away from description by couching the ultimate (read honest) exegesis as mystery. I still beam my love and light to the positive hierarchy with reverence though. Just asking a question that is like a splinter in my eye.

(01-27-2011, 02:02 PM)Shemaya Wrote: It's not a hierarchy as in more power or greatness or purity, but a hierarchy of fullness and completion.

Quote:26.22 Questioner: Could you tell me just vaguely how you accomplished this?

Ra: I am Ra. This is accomplished through our understanding of dimensional fields of energy. The higher or more dense energy field will control the less dense.

(01-27-2011, 01:37 PM)Confused Wrote:

(01-27-2011, 01:11 PM)unity100 Wrote: (infinite cannot have a center as far as i see it, despite what Ra says - 'central' means finite however you approach it - ra says infinity has a center - but that would make infinity organized, therefore, it would lack the unorganizedness complement that is required to make it completely infinite).

Quote:13.5 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the first known thing in the creation?

Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.

Unity100, this may sound meaningless. But I am wondering as to whether infinity could be its own center.

(01-27-2011, 02:17 PM)Confused Wrote:

(01-27-2011, 02:02 PM)Shemaya Wrote: It's not a hierarchy as in more power or greatness or purity, but a hierarchy of fullness and completion.

Thanks, Shemaya. But I have a further question to posit following from the quote of yours I have highlighted afore. Please do not see this as any form of challenge to your remark. I am only highlighting the following in order to ask tough questions with a view to exploring the beingness of the One Infinite Creator with fellow dear seekers.

Quote:26.22 Questioner: Could you tell me just vaguely how you accomplished this?

Ra: I am Ra. This is accomplished through our understanding of dimensional fields of energy. The higher or more dense energy field will control the less dense.

I may be erroneously mixing up issues; but it seems that the positive hierarchy too controls conditions. May be it is the intention that really matters. I do not know. True to my moniker, I am fully confused.

(01-27-2011, 02:41 PM)Shemaya Wrote: I am thinking the "more dense" energy field, as in the Logos, has basically come up with the rule-set for creation, and in that way "controls". We have free will insofar as we abide by the rules set forth by the Logos.

By I really think of it as a Parent /Child relationship. A parent provides a structure, rules for their kids to learn and grow and become responsible adults. So I agree in that way, conditions are controlled. There is a structure and rules whereby this creation operates. It's within that pre-set structure of the Logos, that we have free-will in Creation.

Quote:82.11 Questioner: What was the form, condition, or experience of the first division of consciousness that occurred at the beginning of this octave at the beginning of this galactic experience?

Ra: I am Ra. We touch upon previous material. [b]The harvest of the previous octave, was the Creator of Love manifested in mind, body, and spirit. This form of the Creator experiencing Itself may perhaps be said to be the first division.[/b]

(01-27-2011, 01:11 PM)unity100 Wrote: (infinite cannot have a center as far as i see it, despite what Ra says - 'central' means finite however you approach it - ra says infinity has a center - but that would make infinity organized, therefore, it would lack the unorganizedness complement that is required to make it completely infinite).

(01-27-2011, 03:00 PM)Confused Wrote: And sadly, I think those of the STS streak have made tremendous use of the loopholes within the set of the logoic rules with respect to earth. I suppose the rough analogy would be as to how people with devious minds can even get away with the most gross of crimes if they can work the laws of the land with astute foresight. That is a frequent occurrence in at least my nation in the East.

Quote:82.11 Questioner: What was the form, condition, or experience of the first division of consciousness that occurred at the beginning of this octave at the beginning of this galactic experience?

Ra: I am Ra. We touch upon previous material. [b]The harvest of the previous octave, was the Creator of Love manifested in mind, body, and spirit. This form of the Creator experiencing Itself may perhaps be said to be the first division.[/b]

(01-27-2011, 03:00 PM)Confused Wrote: I fervently hope that the harvest of this octave, when it comes to that, includes the realisation that the rulebook can be manipulated while staying within the technical boundary, by entities with extreme acuity of malevolence. On earth, it has lead to abridgment of freewill with severe pain as a concomitant product, in my opinion.

(01-27-2011, 03:06 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: and yet I completely understand that The Creator does have a center, the place of origin, of your origin, of mine.

(01-27-2011, 03:26 PM)unity100 Wrote: moreover, minority will should not be overridden by majority. if the entities in a planet tend to become negative and the planet becomes negative, the neutral or positive should not be forced to become negative. however, currently, in negative societies, pull is too strong, ra tells us.

this is wrong. there shouldnt be such a strong pull.

moreover there are physicality situations. negative entities can force positive or unaligned entities to submit to anything through usage of physical force or threatening situations. this is also wrong. any kind of choice should be made through spiritual inclination, not the need to survive.

(07-19-2012, 03:37 AM)Parsons Wrote: Due to this thread.

(07-23-2012, 02:14 PM)caycegal Wrote: Have only been exposed to this material for about 3 months. Have been studying and practicing spiritual awakening my whole life. However, what should I think about the fact that this transformation supposedly took place in the winter solstice of 2011, yet I am still here, in the same general geographic location as in July 2011. Have I passed or failed or is there some other way to look at it?

(07-23-2012, 02:14 PM)caycegal Wrote: Have only been exposed to this material for about 3 months. Have been studying and practicing spiritual awakening my whole life. However, what should I think about the fact that this transformation supposedly took place in the winter solstice of 2011, yet I am still here, in the same general geographic location as in July 2011. Have I passed or failed or is there some other way to look at it?

Q'uo Wrote:To sum up this third level, we would say that to the best of our knowledge—which is not without error but is only opinion—the timetable of your planet is a set one. The planet itself, minus the time lateral, will completely shift into fourth density at the winter solstice of 2011.

Q'uo Wrote:This work has enabled this planet to have the added physical space/time for those entities within incarnation at this time to come to harvest on their own and also in order to give entities who graduated early the opportunity to come back into this planetary environment you call Earth and help accelerate the shift in consciousness. They, more or less, shall we say, have stacked the deck, making the tipping point ever closer towards rejoining the main line of space/time.

We confidently believe that your planet will rejoin that natural movement and progression of your planet into fourth-density space/time.