(10-21-2012, 04:20 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I think what you mean here, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that spiritual growth occurs from simply being oneself, and seeking deeper into the true nature of the self.

Thus, "service" does NOT mean being a servant to false identities. Whether they belong to the "self" or "other" is irrelevant. In the context of the Law of One, service does not mean taking orders from people's egos. Including your own.

Service refers to "what it is" that one is serving. This is not the recipient of the serving, but that which is being served. As in, what are you serving for dinner?

Who you are serving for dinner is irrelevant in the context of the Law of One, since there is only one of us here anyway.

(10-21-2012, 04:09 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Precisely my point. You have apparently assumed that "The Choice" is making a decision between "STS" and "STO". I understand that many people here believe this, but I don't. Nor do I believe that's what the material actually says anywhere...

(10-21-2012, 04:09 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...Yet, that apparently doesn't stop some people from reading that into it over and over again.

Quote:76.16 Questioner: Third density, then, it appears, is, compared to the rest of the densities, all of them, nothing but a uniquely short period of what we consider to be time and is then for the purpose of this choice. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is precisely correct. The prelude to choice must encompass the laying of the foundation, the establishment of the illusion and the viability of that which can be made spiritually viable. The remainder of the densities is continuous refining of the choice. This also is greatly lengthened, as you would use the term. The choice is, as you put it, the work of a moment but is the axis upon which the creation turns.

The prelude to choice. What do you think they mean by this?

(10-21-2012, 04:09 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...The Choice is the work of a moment. Not the work of a lifetime. The lifetime is the "laying of the foundation" and the "establishment of the illusion".

(10-21-2012, 04:09 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

Quote:78.21 Questioner: You stated previously that The Choice that is made in this density, third density, is the axis upon which the creation turns. Could you expand on your reason for making that statement?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a statement of the nature of creation as we speak to you.

78.22 Questioner: I did not understand that. Could you say that in a different way?

Ra: I am Ra. As you have noted, the creation of which your Logos is a part is a protean entity which grows and learns upon a macrocosmic scale. The Logos is not a part of time. All that is learned from experience in an octave is, therefore, the harvest of that Logos and is further the nature of that Logos.

The original Logos’s experience was, viewed in space/time, small; Its experience now, more. Therefore we say, as we now speak to you at this space/time, the nature of creation is as we have described. This does not deny the process by which this nature has been achieved but merely ratifies the product.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, that none of the words...

1. Service
2. Self
3. Other

...appear in any of these quotes you have provided here to explain my surprise "that so many people would take the Law of One, and derive an entire philosophy from it based on the apparent distinction between self and other..."

(10-21-2012, 04:25 PM)Cyan Wrote: go do something nice with the time you have, preferably with people you like, and stuff that you like to do.

(10-21-2012, 05:02 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(10-21-2012, 04:25 PM)Cyan Wrote: go do something nice with the time you have, preferably with people you like, and stuff that you like to do.

Is that not service?

See that's what I'm getting at. Is this really "selfish"? Is it depolarizing? I don't think that is necessarily so.

The question is, when doing "something nice with the time you have, preferably with people you like, and stuff that you like to do" is one seeking to serve a progressively more authentic version of the self? Or is one serving a false identity? Is one being loving and wise? Or is one being spiteful and clever?

Similarly, when out and about "feeding the starving kids in Africa" is one serving up authenticity? Or are they serving up a false image of themselves? Are they pretending to be more compassionate than they really are, in a vain effort to make up for their lack of spiritual development?

Does "doing nice things for people" earn us "polarization points"? I don't think it works like that at all.

(10-21-2012, 04:38 PM)Patrick Wrote: Unless I am very much mistaken, the terms Service-to-Others and Service-to-Self are used by Ra directly, in the material, to simply name the two choices we have which constitutes The Choice referred to in these quotes.

Quote:85.9 Questioner: Since our fifth-density companion has been monitoring our communication with Ra it has been made aware of the veiling process of which we have been speaking. It seems to me that conscious knowledge and acceptance of the fact that this veiling process was used for the purpose for which it was used would make it difficult to maintain high negative polarization. Could you clear up my thinking on that, please?

Ra: I am Ra. We are unsure as to our success in realigning your modes of mentation. We may, however, comment.

The polarization process, as it enters fourth density, is one which occurs with full knowledge of the veiling process which has taken place in third density. This veiling process is that which is a portion of the third-density experience. The knowledge and memory of the outcome of this and all portions of the third-density experience informs the higher-density polarized entity. It, however, does not influence the choice which has been made and which is the basis for further work past third density in polarization. Those which have chosen the service-to-others* path have simply used the veiling process in order to potentiate that which is not. This is an entirely acceptable method of self-knowledge of and by the Creator.

* This should be service-to-self. Don and Ra corrected the error later in the session.

Quote:79.31 Questioner: Would The Choice exist at this point during the creation of the first service-to-self polarity?

Ra: I am Ra. Implicit in the veiling or separation of two archetypes is the concept of choice. The refinements to this concept took many experiences.

Quote:Personally, I do not like these terms very much. I would prefer to call them.

Service-to-All and All-to-my-service

Quote:30.1 ...the polarities begin to be explored only at the point when a third-density entity becomes aware of the possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others.

Quote:36.12 ...any guidance given by the higher self may be seen in either the positive or negative polarity depending upon the choice of a mind/body/spirit complex.

Quote:60.16 ...We were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the appropriate relationships between self and other-self.

Quote:77.16 ...The polarization or choosing of each mind/body/spirit is necessary for harvestability from third density.

Quote:77.14 Questioner: Then I am probably having a problem with the concept of time since it appears that the Logos was aware of the polarization choice. It seems that this choice for polarization at the end of third density is an important philosophical plan for the experience past third density. Am I correct in assuming that this process is a process to create the proper or desired experience that will take place in the creation after third density is complete?

Ra: I am Ra. These philosophical foundations are those of third density. Above this density there remains the recognition of the architecture of the Logos but without the veils which are so integral a part of the process of making the choice in third density.

(10-21-2012, 04:38 PM)Patrick Wrote: Personally, I do not like these terms very much. I would prefer to call them.

Service-to-All and All-to-my-service

(03-13-2012, 10:43 AM)Patrick Wrote: An evil entity does not open his heart chakra (green, compassion).

"The negative ray pattern is the red/orange/yellow moving directly to the blue, this (blue) being used only to contact intelligent infinity. (B2,78)"

"...the service-to-self choice is one which denies the very center of the spectrum; that being universal love. Therefore, all that is built upon the penetration of the light of harvestable quality by such entities is based upon an omission. This omission shall manifest in fourth density as the love of self; that is, the fullest expression of the orange and yellow energy centers which then are used to potentiate communication and adepthood.

When fifth-density refinement has been achieved that which is not is carried further, the wisdom density being explored by entities which have no compassion, no universal love. They experience that which they wish by free choice, being of the earnest opinion that green-ray energy is folly. (B4,91)

That which is not may be seen as a self-imposed darkness in which harmony is turned into an eternal disharmony. However, that which is not cannot endure throughout the octave and, as darkness eventually calls the light, so does that which is not eventually call that which is. (B4,92)"

As you can see here. Eventually both path becomes one again. This happens in 6th density.

Also, note that evil is called: "That which is not". Meaning that it is ultimately an illusion.

EVIL EXISTS TO SHOW US THAT WHICH WE ARE NOT !

(10-21-2012, 05:18 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...By all means if you can find a quote where Ra is defining the terms Service-to-Others and Service-to-Self to constitute The Choice, please serve it up!

Quote:30.1 Questioner: I am going to make a statement and then let you correct it if I have made any errors. This is the statement: Creation is a single entity or unity. If only a single entity exists, then the only concept of service is service to self. If this single entity subdivides, then the concept of service of one of its parts to the other parts is born. From this concept springs the equality of service to self or to others. It would seem that as the Logos subdivided, parts would select each orientation. As individualized entities emerge in space/time then I would assume that they have polarity. Is this statement correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This statement is quite perceptive and correct until the final phrase in which we note that the polarities begin to be explored only at the point when a third-density entity becomes aware of the possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others. This marks the end of what you may call the unself-conscious or innocent phase of conscious awareness.

(10-21-2012, 05:18 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...By all means if you can find a quote where Ra is defining the terms Service-to-Others and Service-to-Self to constitute The Choice, please serve it up!

Patrick Wrote:I think Tobey already gave the perfect quote for this.

Quote:30.1 Questioner: I am going to make a statement and then let you correct it if I have made any errors. This is the statement: Creation is a single entity or unity. If only a single entity exists, then the only concept of service is service to self. If this single entity subdivides, then the concept of service of one of its parts to the other parts is born. From this concept springs the equality of service to self or to others. It would seem that as the Logos subdivided, parts would select each orientation. As individualized entities emerge in space/time then I would assume that they have polarity. Is this statement correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This statement is quite perceptive and correct until the final phrase in which we note that the polarities begin to be explored only at the point when a third-density entity becomes aware of the possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others. This marks the end of what you may call the unself-conscious or innocent phase of conscious awareness.

Don Wrote:Creation is a single entity or unity. If only a single entity exists, then the only concept of service is service to self. If this single entity subdivides, then the concept of service of one of its parts to the other parts is born. From this concept springs the equality of service to self or to others.

Ra Wrote:This statement is quite perceptive and correct

Patrick Wrote:I believe we can clearly see here that Ra makes a direct link in between the concepts of Polarities, STS, STO and The Choice.

Quote:Also we can see that Ra considers correct that both choices are equal, since there is only One service, service to the Creator.

(10-21-2012, 07:45 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Tenet, I'm curious: what do you see the choice as? A choice of what?

Quote:...They do not understand love, charity, mercy, kindness, forgiveness or empathy. They do not know the meaning of these words. These words are foreign to them, and so are the emotional expressions that accompany them, for they do not possess the same inner strings as you do and therefore these notes cannot be plucked no matter how hard one tries to teach them the music, for they cannot hear the music and they will never willingly dance to it...

(10-21-2012, 09:26 PM)Patrick Wrote:

Quote:...They do not understand love, charity, mercy, kindness, forgiveness or empathy. They do not know the meaning of these words. These words are foreign to them, and so are the emotional expressions that accompany them, for they do not possess the same inner strings as you do and therefore these notes cannot be plucked no matter how hard one tries to teach them the music, for they cannot hear the music and they will never willingly dance to it...

"they do not possess the same inner strings as you do" and this is due to the fact that they do not open their heart chakra. Even after 3d, they still choose to not open their heart.

I just can't understand this choice. I guess it's not my path.

Tenet Nosce Wrote:When Alice went tumbling down the rabbit-hole into Wonderland, she entered a world of opposites. A world where that which was previously unified, became split into seeming dualities.

Archangel Michael Wrote:So that sense of either/or, of what you traditionally have thought of as yes or no, of duality, of polarity, is gone. It is the alignment. The entire journey in this third-dimensional existence is reaching this place of alignment, of placing yourself beyond the either/or. And when you are doing that in this ascension process, it is like a Roman candle: off you go.

Archangel Michael Wrote:In that moment, what we are calling a moment, there is a choice. … And it can happen instantaneously, because so many of you have laid the foundation — do you want to be in the heart of one of love? Do you wish to be in the higher frequency?

In the very last second, all they need to say is yes, and allow themselves to be flooded by what you can think of as a tidal wave of energy that will sweep the planet.

(10-21-2012, 09:55 PM)Patrick Wrote: So basically, you are saying that The Choice is pretty much an illusion,

Quote:But Ra stated that entities can and do change their polarities...

Quote:36.15 Questioner: Well then let’s say that when Himmler reaches sixth-density negative, would he realize that his Higher Self was positively oriented and for that reason make the jump from negative to positive orientation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth density. Thus, loving the Creator and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution.

Quote:89.40 Questioner: What was the attitude of these two entities after they graduated into-fourth density negative and, the veil being removed, realized that they had switched polarities?

Ra: I am Ra. They were disconcerted.

Quote:Questioner: Thank you. You have stated previously that the foundation of our present illusion is the concept of polarity. I would like to ask, since we [those of L/L Research] have defined the two polarities as service to others and service to self, is there a more complete or eloquent or enlightening definition of these polarities or any more information that we don’t have at this time that you could give on the two ends of the poles that would give us a better insight into the nature of polarity itself?

Ra: I am Ra. It is unlikely that there is a more pithy or eloquent description of the polarities of third density than service to others and service to self due to the nature of the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions towards perceiving concepts relating to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity. However, we [those of Ra] might consider the polarities using slightly variant terms. In this way a possible enrichment of insight might be achieved for some.

One might consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet. The negative and positive, with their electrical characteristics, may be seen to be just as in the physical sense. It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.

Another method of viewing polarities might involve the concept of radiation/absorption. That which is positive is radiant; that which is negative is absorbent.

Quote:Questioner: Now, if I understand correctly, prior to the veiling process the electrical polarities, the polarities of radiation and absorption, all existed in some part of the creation, but the service-to-others/service-to-self polarity with which we are familiar had not evolved and only showed up after the veiling process as an addition to the list of possible polarities in the creation. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. No.

(03-13-2012, 10:43 AM)Patrick Wrote: An evil entity does not open his heart chakra (green, compassion).

"The negative ray pattern is the red/orange/yellow moving directly to the blue, this (blue) being used only to contact intelligent infinity. (B2,78)"

(10-21-2012, 10:16 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-13-2012, 10:43 AM)Patrick Wrote: An evil entity does not open his heart chakra (green, compassion).

"The negative ray pattern is the red/orange/yellow moving directly to the blue, this (blue) being used only to contact intelligent infinity. (B2,78)"

I think Ra made another mistake here and meant violet instead of blue.

(10-21-2012, 10:34 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(10-21-2012, 10:16 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-13-2012, 10:43 AM)Patrick Wrote: An evil entity does not open his heart chakra (green, compassion).

"The negative ray pattern is the red/orange/yellow moving directly to the blue, this (blue) being used only to contact intelligent infinity. (B2,78)"

I think Ra made another mistake here and meant violet instead of blue.

That's very interesting. I did not fully notice that before. Although I can recall my mind becoming confused by that sentence on more than one occasion.

(10-22-2012, 02:03 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote: I feel like people here don't appreciate their STS brethren like they should.

(10-22-2012, 11:19 AM)Patrick Wrote: 1) Do you believe in true free will ?

2) Do you believe that there is such a thing as objective Truth ?

3) If you answered yes to 2, do you believe it is possible to be aware of the objective Truth while being incarnated in veiled 3d ?

Thank you my friend!

(10-22-2012, 11:22 AM)Cyan Wrote: ...
3: yes but essentially uselless.

(10-22-2012, 11:26 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(10-22-2012, 11:22 AM)Cyan Wrote: ...
3: yes but essentially uselless.

Do you believe that becoming aware of the objective Truth while incarnated in veiled 3d would instantly dispel the illusion ?

(10-22-2012, 11:32 AM)Cyan Wrote:

(10-22-2012, 11:26 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(10-22-2012, 11:22 AM)Cyan Wrote: ...
3: yes but essentially uselless.

Do you believe that becoming aware of the objective Truth while incarnated in veiled 3d would instantly dispel the illusion ?

Oh gods no. At most it would make you freak out tremendously, then laugh at freaking out tremendously, then forget why you freaked out tremendously and go eat some twinkies. Ofcourse i jest but the truth is there.

(10-22-2012, 11:36 AM)Patrick Wrote: I believe our awareness of Truth can only be subjective until our awareness is back to being the One Infinite Creator.

(10-22-2012, 11:19 AM)Patrick Wrote: Ah well Tenet, I do not understand how you arrived at this point of view from reading the Ra material, but I find this very interesting.

Quote:1) Do you believe in true free will ?

51.10 Wrote:Free will has potentiated, both the Creator of us all and our selves as co-Creators with intelligent infinity which has will. This will may be drawn upon by the indigo or form-making body and its wisdom used to then choose the appropriate locus and type of experience which this co-Creator or sub-sub-Logos you call so carelessly a person will take.

Quote:2) Do you believe that there is such a thing as objective Truth ?

Quote:3) If you answered yes to 2, do you believe it is possible to be aware of the objective Truth while being incarnated in veiled 3d ?

Quote:4) If you answered yes to 3, do you believe that becoming aware of the objective Truth while incarnated in veiled 3d would instantly dispel the illusion ?

34.2 Wrote:The experience of each entity is unique in perception of intelligent infinity. Perceptions range from a limitless joy to a strong dedication to service to others while in the incarnated state. The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity. However, it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong.

Quote:Thank you my friend!

(10-22-2012, 12:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ...According to the Ra material, free will is defined as the first distortion...

(10-22-2012, 12:53 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I believe free will is acquired by incarnation, but rarely exercised within it. For example, making a decision to be helpful to one's brothers and sisters is very nice and admirable. But there isn't much free will involved.

(10-22-2012, 01:01 PM)Patrick Wrote: Something else I find interesting is that since I started participating in this thread, I have become the target of strong psychic greetings. Particularly, my legs and feet are freezing. I see this as a good sign.

Quote:However, a significant amount of suffering or any extreme emotion along certain lines, either positively or negatively polarized, can and does create an aura or nimbus of like weak thoughtforms which together seek then to become the psychic vampire, taking the energy needed for independent survival, if they are negatively polarized, from the fear of others; if they are positively polarized, from the awe, love and compassion of others.

Quote:There is no entrance for surrounding negative auras into the experience of one who, by the habit of positive thought, does not express itself in terms of negative emotions which may then provide food for those vampiric entities called negative thoughtforms.