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RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - AnthroHeart - 08-30-2012
In your opinion zen, does the finer balancing take conscious knowledge/wisdom of how to do so? To reach a suitable level of balance to make one ready for 4D's lessons, must one be insightful? I'm not talking about being an adept. But having a suitable level of balance.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - zenmaster - 08-30-2012
That is a good question. Certainly at some point in their experiences in 3D, a harvestable entity would become aware of a choice which is a type of wisdom. That awareness of choice is only afforded to one with sufficient
balance. As the awareness in that regard becomes more salient, one can polarize more rapidly.
I'd say rather than insight, it'd be faith and honesty with respect to the planetary distortions, as the measure of balance. If one can be congruent and self determined in the face of 3D catalyst from its entire octave, then one can begin to appreciate a higher vibrational environment. The amount of individuals at that last subdensity here is about
1%.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - Patrick - 08-30-2012
(08-30-2012, 01:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote: ...The amount of individuals at that last subdensity here is about
1%.
Now it's my time to ask how you got that number ?
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - βαθμιαίος - 08-30-2012
(08-29-2012, 06:53 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I view the separation between myself and the "Creator" as an illusion. If the realization that there is no separation between self and Creator is truly profound, how can that individual's will be other than that of the Creator's? The 3D analog for this being complete removal of distortion, or complete acceptance.
(08-29-2012, 06:53 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: However, once the illusion's true nature is revealed to you, and you understand why this is an illusion, how it is "false," and that it isn't really as it seems, do you still have a choice? Sure, the choice is there...you can pick one or the other, but the true nature of the illusion is revealed to you. The choice is perceived, but there is only one truth. The illusion is gone and the truth from that point on is always available to you, no matter how much you should choose to ignore it.
In our veiled state, how do we know the Creator's will other than through hunches, intuition, meditative insights, etc.? Let's say we're completely balanced and faced with a situation to which we respond with love. Don't we still have to choose how to act? We do our best to channel the Creator's will, but we're dealing with co-Creators who have wills of their own, and the interplay is not always simple. "[I]t is a delicate matter to be of service, and compassion, sensitivity, and an ability to empathize are helpful..."
(08-29-2012, 10:23 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I don't expect that I will ever be close to complete balance or acceptance, I can't really speculate on the possibilities.
(08-29-2012, 11:11 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Portions of the Creator become more and more distorted from the original thought, which was a result of (or resulted in?) greater free will. The more distortions, the more choices. However, as distortions are removed, the purity of the Creator is restored, and the choices collapse into a single state of being. That state of being is recognized at our level of progression as the "emotional response of love" with which the perfectly balanced entity responds to his attacker with. Other choices were a result of distortion, which has been removed.
I think it's more of a seventh-density state than third. Even Ra, in sixth density and beyond the veil, makes/made mistakes (and hence, possibly, didn't know the will of the Creator).
(08-29-2012, 10:37 PM)Confused Wrote: In other words, free will allows refinement.
Good point!
(08-30-2012, 09:14 AM)Vasistha Wrote: Those are the main reason why the veil is never fully penetrated in 3D, at least on this planet. This is counter-productive.
That's how I see it, too. Or even if it is fully penetrated, it doesn't necessarily stay that way.
(08-30-2012, 12:32 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The concept of perfection itself, however can exist under constraints of choice vs opportunity.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - AnthroHeart - 08-30-2012
(08-30-2012, 01:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote: That is a good question. Certainly at some point in their experiences in 3D, a harvestable entity would become aware of a choice which is a type of wisdom. That awareness of choice is only afforded to one with sufficient
balance. As the awareness in that regard becomes more salient, one can polarize more rapidly.
I'd say rather than insight, it'd be faith and honesty with respect to the planetary distortions, as the measure of balance. If one can be congruent and self determined in the face of 3D catalyst from its entire octave, then one can begin to appreciate a higher vibrational environment. The amount of individuals at that last subdensity here is about
1%.
I didn't realize there were any 7D wanderers (if that's what you mean by last subdensity).
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - Bring4th_Austin - 08-30-2012
(08-30-2012, 02:01 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: In our veiled state, how do we know the Creator's will other than through hunches, intuition, meditative insights, etc.? Let's say we're completely balanced and faced with a situation to which we respond with love. Don't we still have to choose how to act? We do our best to channel the Creator's will, but we're dealing with co-Creators who have wills of their own, and the interplay is not always simple. "[I]t is a delicate matter to be of service, and compassion, sensitivity, and an ability to empathize are helpful..."
I've had this question on my mind the entire time having this discussion. It ultimately comes down to the difference between doing and being, but I'm not really prepared to enunciate on the difference and how it effects our movement through this reality. I feel like it is something I am just starting to grasp.
Have you ever been faced with a particular situation which required action, where you were not displaced from a state compassion, and your actions seemed to spring from a greater source beyond yourself?
Quote:(08-29-2012, 10:23 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I don't expect that I will ever be close to complete balance or acceptance, I can't really speculate on the possibilities.(08-29-2012, 11:11 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Portions of the Creator become more and more distorted from the original thought, which was a result of (or resulted in?) greater free will. The more distortions, the more choices. However, as distortions are removed, the purity of the Creator is restored, and the choices collapse into a single state of being. That state of being is recognized at our level of progression as the "emotional response of love" with which the perfectly balanced entity responds to his attacker with. Other choices were a result of distortion, which has been removed.
I think it's more of a seventh-density state than third. Even Ra, in sixth density and beyond the veil, makes/made mistakes (and hence, possibly, didn't know the will of the Creator).
I agree, but the perfectly balanced entity in Don's example was sort of a hypothetical ideal 3D being I believe. What I mean by "that state of being is recognized at our level of progression as the 'emotional response of love'" is that, from our 3D standpoint, in a situation where we are not met with any distortion, that is our state of being: the emotion of love. In the higher densities I think this is much more significant, beyond what we might grasp as emotion.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - Patrick - 08-30-2012
(08-30-2012, 02:27 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: ...
I didn't realize there were any 7D wanderers (if that's what you mean by last subdensity).
He means the 7th sub-density of 3D.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - Vasistha - 08-30-2012
(08-30-2012, 02:01 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I think it's more of a seventh-density state than third. Even Ra, in sixth density and beyond the veil, makes/made mistakes (and hence, possibly, didn't know the will of the Creator).
Ra was pretty clear that there are no 'mistakes'. The will of the Creator is freedom of will. This is the plan
.Quote:12.24 Questioner: Would this be against the Law of One? Would I be making a mistake by grabbing one of those entities?
Ra: I am Ra. There are no mistakes under the Law of One.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - βαθμιαίος - 08-30-2012
(08-30-2012, 03:07 PM)Vasistha Wrote: Ra was pretty clear that there are no 'mistakes'. The will of the Creator is freedom of will. This is the plan
Quite true. Probably I should have said "makes errors" or "experiences surprises." (I'm not sure what the difference between an error and a mistake is, though.)
Quote:The entities giving this information were in error, but we did many things at the end of this cycle in attempts to aid your harvest from which we learned the folly of certain types of aid.
Quote:Yahweh was of the Confederation but was mistaken in its attempts to aid.(Not Ra, but still possibly relevant...)
They certainly made some mistakes/errors communicating through Carla.
Quote:You and Ra made an error.
Quote:I am Ra. I have made an error.
etc.
And possibly relevant to the discussion:
Quote:Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations will be awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are no mistakes, there are surprises.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - βαθμιαίος - 08-30-2012
(08-30-2012, 02:51 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Have you ever been faced with a particular situation which required action, where you were not displaced from a state compassion, and your actions seemed to spring from a greater source beyond yourself?
Yes! Channeling the Creator.
For me, it feels like conscious channeling in that I feel like I'm still putting my own spin on the energy that's coming through me.(08-30-2012, 02:51 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: I agree, but the perfectly balanced entity in Don's example was sort of a hypothetical ideal 3D being I believe. What I mean by "that state of being is recognized at our level of progression as the 'emotional response of love'" is that, from our 3D standpoint, in a situation where we are not met with any distortion, that is our state of being: the emotion of love. In the higher densities I think this is much more significant, beyond what we might grasp as emotion.
Do you think it's possible to be in a blue, indigo, or violet state of being here in third density? I do, but I think it's temporary.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - AnthroHeart - 08-30-2012
I think blue lights up if you're a free communicator and don't hide things.
I think Ra said that Violet is when you see the sacramental nature of all things.
I'm sure we can tap into them, but having them fully activated would be difficult
because of all the catalyst we have. I think indigo helps pierce the veil, which is
pretty much temporary.
I wouldn't want to be stuck in indigo all the time. It's hard to be grounded,
and one thinks they're in heaven or maybe a dark place depending on their beliefs.
I saw scary images on online advertisements when my indigo opened up over a year ago,
but I also learned nifty things from YouTube videos that haven't existed since.
So I think when we pierce the veil, we have access to knowledge that we aren't privy to
otherwise. It's fascinating. I found a video about the Universe and learned that according to
Pleiadian technology there are 10^40 (10 with 40 zeros) universes within a larger universe called an Absolutum. And the great central sun of a Universe is called a Sohar. I wished I had saved that video. I can't find it again.
Interesting things.
(08-30-2012, 01:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote: That is a good question. Certainly at some point in their experiences in 3D, a harvestable entity would become aware of a choice which is a type of wisdom. That awareness of choice is only afforded to one with sufficient
balance. As the awareness in that regard becomes more salient, one can polarize more rapidly.
I'd say rather than insight, it'd be faith and honesty with respect to the planetary distortions, as the measure of balance. If one can be congruent and self determined in the face of 3D catalyst from its entire octave, then one can begin to appreciate a higher vibrational environment. The amount of individuals at that last subdensity here is about
1%.
I can feel my vibration being raised by these words. Slowly but surely.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - JustLikeYou - 08-30-2012
zenmaster Wrote:Wasn't going to touch the premise that Jesus was 'perfectly balanced' as I believe this would probably not be possible.
According to Ra's description Jesus was not perfectly balanced. In fact, it took him his whole life to forgive himself for accidentally killing a another child out of anger. One who is perfectly balanced would not experience such difficulty forgiving.
βαθμιαίος Wrote:Do you think it's possible to be in a blue, indigo, or violet state of being here in third density? I do, but I think it's temporary.
I can only speak from my own experience here, but I think so. My progression has been fairly straightforward in terms of moving from balancing one energy center to the next, although I did experience the kundalini awakening which activates them all. In this progression, I've noticed that work in the green center was really just an effort to maintain a loving attitude at all times. Similarly, work in the blue center was just an effort to transform myself into the kind of person who speaks honestly, openly and without holding back. I have found that becoming such a person is a permanent experience. At any moment during the day when I find that I have not lived up to this energy, I experience a kind of spiritual pain which I then have to process with balancing exercises. My experience has shown me that balancing and crystalizing the chakras is a process which solidifies my presence within that chakra, thus changing my entire perspective on the world. I used to tell lies and hide things without thinking twice. Now, more and more, I tell the truth and speak openly without thinking twice. I do not doubt that there will come a day when I have absolutely no hesitation at any moment to simply say what comes to mind. I do not doubt this because the path of evolution has taught me to trust my unconscious mind more and more as I have discovered more and more that its contents are beautiful and trustworthy.
I can't speak about indigo and violet because, although I have worked in these centers, my efforts have not been as intensive as in green and blue. When I feel that my communication is sufficiently pure, I will probably move on to the next energy. Or at least this is how I moved from green to blue.
The short answer, though, is that I think such a state of being is what Ra means when Ra describes a chakra as "crystalized".
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - zenmaster - 08-30-2012
(08-30-2012, 01:52 PM)Patrick Wrote:You could have asked before? It's the rough estimate of those 'at' the 'yellow' valuing meme identified in Spiral Dynamics (corresponding to the 7th subdensity). Since it's violet ray, there would be an additional much smaller proportion of those 3D natives who will be harvested to 4D who are not operating from 'yellow' or the last sub-density. Also a similarly small proportion who are 3D native and without a body.(08-30-2012, 01:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote: ...The amount of individuals at that last subdensity here is about
1%.
Now it's my time to ask how you got that number ?
(08-30-2012, 02:01 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:Because 'perfection' can mean completion in some abstract sense. If you limit what possibilities are available for expressing something and, under these limits, all were consciously available for consideration, the expression can be said to be 'perfect' if it transcended what was thought could be possible, or there were simply no other options available for expression.(08-30-2012, 12:32 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The concept of perfection itself, however can exist under constraints of choice vs opportunity.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?
With regards to 'perfectly balanced' - that would entail the entire octave of creation (with possible exception of 7th), even in 3D, since this is the 'axis upon which the creation turns'. In other words, if you're still needing the lessons of 4th, 5th, and 6th - you're certainly not going to be 'perfectly balanced' when incarnated in 3D.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - Patrick - 08-30-2012
(08-30-2012, 08:41 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-30-2012, 01:52 PM)Patrick Wrote:(08-30-2012, 01:49 PM)zenmaster Wrote: ...The amount of individuals at that last subdensity here is about
1%.
Now it's my time to ask how you got that number ?
You could have asked before? It's the rough estimate of those 'at' the 'yellow' valuing meme identified in Spiral Dynamics (corresponding to the 7th subdensity). Since it's violet ray, there would be an additional much smaller proportion of those 3D natives who will be harvested to 4D who are not operating from 'yellow' or the last sub-density. Also a similarly small proportion who are 3D native and without a body.
Thank you my friend.
Interesting stuff: Spiral Dynamics
Quote:Spiral Dynamics argues that human nature is not fixed: humans are able, when forced by life conditions, to adapt to their environment by constructing new, more complex, conceptual models of the world that allow them to handle the new problems. Each new model transcends and includes all previous models. According to Beck and Cowan, these conceptual models are organized around so-called Memes: systems of core values or collective intelligences, applicable to both individuals and entire cultures...
"You could have asked before?"
Yeah I know.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - Bring4th_Austin - 08-30-2012
(08-30-2012, 09:08 PM)Patrick Wrote: "You could have asked before?"
Yeah I know.
I have like a compulsion to clear up misunderstandings.
I think zen was thrown off by your phrase "now it's my time to ask." I don't think he related it to when he had asked you the same question in another thread.
Either that or he's joking. I can never tell when he's joking
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - zenmaster - 08-30-2012
(08-30-2012, 09:40 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote:Patrick got it right, I had suggested the number and he suggested the other and I'd asked why, etc. But he waited till now (for some reason) to ask what I'd thought on the subject. I'm also joking.(08-30-2012, 09:08 PM)Patrick Wrote: "You could have asked before?"
Yeah I know.
I have like a compulsion to clear up misunderstandings.
I think zen was thrown off by your phrase "now it's my time to ask." I don't think he related it to when he had asked you the same question in another thread.
Either that or he's joking. I can never tell when he's joking
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - Bring4th_Austin - 08-30-2012
I knew I should have just shut up.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - Adonai One - 07-20-2014
Love is the act of accepting?
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - AnthroHeart - 07-20-2014
I accept what I love.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - blargg - 07-24-2014
was thinking that love is pure signal. acceptance is a symptom of an entity's focus on that signal
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - darklight - 07-24-2014
Off topic.
Where Is zenmaster?
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - isis - 07-24-2014
(07-24-2014, 02:45 PM)darklight Wrote: Off topic.birmingham
Where Is zenmaster?
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - anagogy - 07-24-2014
(07-24-2014, 02:45 PM)darklight Wrote: Off topic.
Where Is zenmaster?
He left the forums quite some time ago, without announcement.
RE: Love as a function of Acceptance - darklight - 07-24-2014
(07-24-2014, 03:01 PM)anagogy Wrote:(07-24-2014, 02:45 PM)darklight Wrote: Off topic.
Where Is zenmaster?
He left the forums quite some time ago, without announcement.
Ah ok. He didn't post for a while.