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RE: The Confederation - Monica - 09-04-2009
(09-04-2009, 02:48 AM)Quantum Wrote: I am seeing the Council functioning in "congruency" verses in "subset division" which is what makes any Council a council. As you have stated, "beyond polarity" as regards the Council is simply a speculation, but it is one worthy of consideration. I am suggesting as such, that if it is worthy of discussion, that any Council would be in full agreement verses a subset of a council acting "beyond polarity" carrying out a decision not mandated by the full consent of the whole said council.
The term 'subset' was offered by you, and I then used it, in an attempt at communication. I don't see it as a subset. I see the higher density complexes as higher components of the lower, as what we may call higher selves. I absolutely do see them as congruent. But, just as my Higher Self might have tasks that I do not, and might serve me in ways I cannot yet serve, so too might the higher selves of the Council entities serve in ways that the lower density complexes do not.
(09-04-2009, 02:48 AM)Quantum Wrote:Monica Wrote:I am referring to mid-6D and beyond. I'm puzzled as how you don't see them as being beyond polarity.I do see this. This is self evident. I can not however see that smaller faction of a larger faction of varying densities would act in subset division, given that the greater majority are "not beyond polarity" and as such a Council is only a council if it acts in mandate as a full council.
Faction conveys an STS connotation to me. I would not use that term to describe the Council. I hope that my previous statement clarified my meaning.
(09-04-2009, 02:48 AM)Quantum Wrote: I see your point clearly. I even suggested the same in my previous post. Please refer back to it towards the end. But the gist of the point lies to the Council as a whole. This does not lend itself to "a Council" as much as it would to a "subset of the Council". Ergo this is not a Council. It is to the principle of "The Council" passing information verses those members alone "beyond polarity" passing information. Thats the difference and point.
Please forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you, but what I perceive from your words is thinking in terms of separate entities voting on an issue, as in a democracy, and a contention that their decision cannot be in concert unless all separate selves are in agreement. That's the impression I'm getting when I read your description. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding.
The way I understand it, there is no separation of selves, and therefore no need for agreement/disagreement, for we are speaking of Social Memory Complexes here. I sense continued terminology depicting separation, whereas I am attempting to convey Oneness, with different tasks designated in different regions of that Oneness.
(09-04-2009, 02:48 AM)Quantum Wrote: They wouldn't pass it without the Council as a whole. It is the Council that passes information, not those beyond mid sixth as a subset. See?
That is an assumption on your part. You might be right. Then again, you might not!
(09-04-2009, 02:48 AM)Quantum Wrote: My point is that "quarantine is a wholly a Guardian Principle". "Passing information is wholly a Council Principle." It would seem they are not at all the same given the Guardians are in fact not even from our/Ra's octave, but are from the next Great Octave, which suggests they are beyond anything even Ra dares not plum the understanding thereof.
You may be correct, or you might not be. It is another assumption. Regardless, as I said, the principle might be the same even though the mechanism is not.
RE: The Confederation - Quantum - 09-04-2009
(09-04-2009, 03:35 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: That is an assumption on your part. You might be right. Then again, you might not!
You may be correct, or you might not be. It is another assumption.
So that we may move on, lets table my assumptions and any speculations on my part. Lets speak to Ra's:
Loo Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. In effect, the balancing allows an equal amount of positive and negative influx, this balanced by the mind/body/spirit distortions of the social complex. Thus in your particular planetary sphere, less negative, as you would call it, information or stimulus is necessary than positive due to the somewhat negative orientation of your social complex distortion.
I've offered this Ra quote above several times. Note the bolded portion: "Thus in your particular planetary sphere, less negative, as you would call it, information or stimulus is necessary than positive due to the somewhat negative orientation of your social complex distortion." This very much seems to effectively answer your question of passing (STS) negative information in as much as negativity sadly apparently needs no assistance in our culture. Tragic but true. Thus it seems that both the passing of STS information question (particularly by the Council) is as satisfactorily answered by this Ra quote as is the Guardians who are concerned with balancing the influx of negative information.
It would seem that the Guardians, who are charged with the honor/duty of balancing, allow a small portion of Orion STS information to filter through the quarnatine "just enough" to keep the balance in check, verses that the Council need "pass" STS information. The Guardians, as suggested several times before, are presumably "far" beyond polarity, and thus "not concerned with polarity", and thus focus only on balance through a said Quarantine as their function, this to presumably "back the Council up" as given by Ra. There is no need for the Council to engage in the passing of STS information given this happens quite naturally, even requiring a quarantine to keep negativity in check. STS would be overwhelmingly present were it not for the Quarantine as further seen by this quote, i.e. there presumably is quite enough of STS information already. By virtue of the fact that the Orions are quite proficient enough in penetrating the quarnatine so as to in fact require a quarantine, all is in balance checked by the Guardians.
Quarantine thus seems to serve as a balancing more than a total obstruction, this by the Guardians, ergo the Council being STO would not pass STS.
By the way 3D Sunset, the Quarantine seemingly acting more as a balancing verses a total obstruction principle may go to the heart of your desire to speak more to what quarantine means? Quarantine may be synonomous with balance, or certainly at least a primary function thereof.
Q
L/L
RE: The Confederation - Monica - 09-04-2009
(09-04-2009, 11:01 AM)Quantum Wrote: It would seem that the Guardians, who are charged with the honor/duty of balancing, allow a small portion of Orion STS information to filter through the quarnatine "just enough" to keep the balance in check, verses that the Council need "pass" STS information.
The idea was presented only as a suggestion, as a possibility, in answer to your question regarding how seemingly mixed polarity works, such as Oahspe, might have been passed by Council, being that it seems contradictory to the Law of One. (I have not read it, but you indicated that it was contradictory.)
Since you disagree that it's a possible explanation, I would welcome any alternative suggestions you might have. (Please post them on the Oahspe thread.) I (as well as others) already offered some additional suggestions on that other thread as well. It appears that none of the suggestions completely explain it. I cannot prove that my suggestion about the Council 'passing' apparently mixed polarity work is correct, and you have expressed your clear disagreement about it even as a possibility, so I rest my case. Until/unless some more plausible ideas are offered, I shall continue to personally keep the idea on the shelf as a possibility.
RE: The Confederation - Quantum - 09-04-2009
(09-04-2009, 01:14 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: The idea was presented only as a suggestion, as a possibilityAnd an extremely interesting suggestion it is. An excellent topic. It may potentially lead to as interesting of a discovery, speculation, or logical conclusion.
Monica Wrote:Since you disagree that it's a possible explanation, I would welcome any alternative suggestions you might have. (Please post them on the Oahspe thread.). ... Until/unless some more plausible ideas are offered, I shall continue to personally keep the idea on the shelf as a possibility.Since this is more in keeping with the Confederation thread, albeit a development of the Oahspe, I wonder if it is far more simple and elegant than complicated to suggest that the answer may be right under our noses as an alternative in reasoning: The Guardians allow only a dripling, if any, STS through the field of our Quarantine for the reasons of balance, given the overabundance of STS already present, that otherwise the balance would tend towards overly biased STS. Were the case thus reversed, e.g. as in a more STS planet in the next galaxy, it might as likely have the same effect of allowing a dripling of STO through to prevent the same forestalling of 3D. The Guardians thus in our reversed overly abundant STS scenario are then in the position of disallowing more STS through by quarantine, but "perhaps" drips nonetheless get through as in the Oahspe example nonetheless. If they disallowed STS in entirety, or if STS were not as overly abundant here as to be prevented from penetrating, it would then have the reverse effect of creating our 3D as overly STO. Balance must be maintained in order to play the game to gather the eggs of the lessons.
It raises the interesting question that our bemoaning our fate here in 3D with its mired and murky "shiteness" all about us everywhere in money, politics, friend, neighbor, etc etc, is the very blessing of the reason for being here in this whacky wonderful painful exhilarating confusing enlightening groggy dream.
Thus in a sense Monica, you've been intuitively correct in the assumption that STS is allowed through, or that it simply gets through, but only in drips as a result of it being so abundant in any case, this through random penetration naturally, or even by allowance, but not as a result of it being "passed by the Council" given the overly abundant penchant of STS in our culture already. It is balanced by the Guardians in time/space vs passed by the Council, given STS is somewhat more natural to our present space/time. Thus is the necessary tension needed to maintain homeostasis through the maintaining and moderating necessary for balance, this in lessons for growth, less there would be no catalyst. It may be as simple as that vesres overly complicated.
Have we penetrated a truth by means of the dichotomy of catalyst necessary to get there?
H-m-m-m...
Q
RE: The Confederation - Whitefeather - 09-08-2009
Greeting Friends,
Thank you for the passionate thread...
I have read it with great interest and noticed the polarity questions regarding the Guardians and the Confederation, their polarity, their beyond polarity, etc… and our impossibility to know from our humble situation as 3D entities, to which I agree with. Also, the quarantine and their windows regarding free will… the Council permission for channeled work, etc. etc.
I found there are good points made by all and, Monica, I enjoyed your points.
From what I have read, may I make a couple of suggestions?
1/ - About the quarantines and their penetration by STS entities, I would like to have the opportunity to ask QU’O whether the quarantine has to do with the Moon’ cycles related to the electro-magnetic grids of the Earth and the tearing of such grids. The windows of opening may have to do with cycles as in a clocking system. I have studied (those are personal studies I did when I discovered a physical tear of the ley lines in the house we are renting) for sometimes in the understanding and identification of such tears in the grids. They seem to have been generated by Earth traumas such as bombs, explosions, firearms, amongst the main reasons.
They seem to constitute openings for STS forces and it is dangerous to stand on any of these tearings for too long.
There are ways for healing these. And the time has come to do so. Anyone interested in the subject is welcome.
2/ - I would like to point out that intellectualism is a great thing because it leads our mind as far as it can go. However, meditation goes further. Meditation goes far beyound our intellect regarding gathering information, light, understanding and, consciousness. The two functions – intellectual and meditative - work together but, at some point, one has to meditate in order to accelerate understanding.
-May I respectfully encourage everyone the grounding of their interesting thoughts by way of meditation
, since from there, speculations result in clear and beautiful understandings and answers. It is from there that one can access the Akhasic Record containing most beautiful information. I think everyone would really enjoy it.3/ - On the subject of polarity, though at some point, there is balanced polarity – which, Monica, you call ‘beyond polarity’ (which is only another perfect way of putting it) -, in the Universe, there is always polarity and, all the way ‘up’.
Without polarity, there would be no movement! The Law of One proceeds of two polarities until the reaching of singularity.
Even a Logos such as a Galaxy has a polarity, though it is made of many layers of below octave's polarities having reached balanced polarities at some points and, from there, reaching an octave above and working from a duality again but then, from an octave above, etc. It is an endless process of Creation through movement.
Polarity may express itself by dextrogire and levogire movements.
However, another way of expression is as radiance and devoration.
A further way is by connection versus separation.
From our choice about polarity, the path in front will be long.
L/L
W.
RE: The Confederation - Monica - 09-09-2009
(09-08-2009, 11:31 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: 1/ - About the quarantines and their penetration by STS entities, I would like to have the opportunity to ask QU’O whether the quarantine has to do with the Moon’ cycles
I have passed on your question.
(09-08-2009, 11:31 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: in the Universe, there is always polarity and, all the way ‘up’.
Without polarity, there would be no movement!
I don't think so. Polarity, represented numerologically by the number 2, does indeed necessitate movement. But the other numbers have their own characteristics too. I envision the higher densities (those 'beyond polarity') as having characteristics defined by numbers other than 2.
Polarity is a given in this physical UniVerse. But what about all the other universes, dimensions? Can we even begin to imagine what they might be like?
Just my opinion, For what it's worth, and I could be wrong of course. But that's the way I understand Ra's teachings. I do agree that there might be polarity again as we start another octave, but that's so decidedly pure speculation that I wouldn't even go there (not even Ra goes there!) other than to imagine that, as portrayed by the Kabbalah, another cycle starts anew, repeating the pattern, but at an ever spiraling higher level.
...Or something like that. :-/
(09-08-2009, 11:31 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: Polarity may express itself by dextrogire and levogire movements.
Please define. Neither my Linux dictionary nor dictionary.com had either of those terms.
(09-08-2009, 11:31 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: A further way is by connection versus separation.
Yes, and we know that there is no separation past mid-6D; hence, my assertion that polarity will cease to be. (Speculation: in favor of perhaps another numerical dynamic?)
(09-08-2009, 11:31 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: From our choice about polarity, the path in front will be long.
Or as short as the present moment.
RE: The Confederation - Whitefeather - 09-12-2009
(09-09-2009, 02:24 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(09-08-2009, 11:31 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: 1/ - About the quarantines and their penetration by STS entities, I would like to have the opportunity to ask QU’O whether the quarantine has to do with the Moon’ cycles
I have passed on your question.
Thanks M.
(09-09-2009, 02:24 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(09-08-2009, 11:31 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: in the Universe, there is always polarity and, all the way ‘up’.
Without polarity, there would be no movement!
I don't think so. Polarity, represented numerologically by the number 2, does indeed necessitate movement. But the other numbers have their own characteristics too. I envision the higher densities (those 'beyond polarity') as having characteristics defined by numbers other than 2.
Polarity is a given in this physical UniVerse. But what about all the other universes, dimensions? Can we even begin to imagine what they might be like?
Yes, I think I didn't put that well; it is not 'polarity all the way up'. I am aware that above polarity, there is singularity as light-form. What I call 'singularity' is, I believe, what you call 'beyond polarity' in your posts; different words, same meaning. And, correction here: a galaxy is a singularity and has no polarity itself though it contains it on lower octaves. Humm..., with words, comes distortion, doesn't it?
(09-09-2009, 02:24 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(09-08-2009, 11:31 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: Polarity may express itself by dextrogire and levogire movements.
Please define. Neither my Linux dictionary nor dictionary.com had either of those terms.
Dextrogire = movement turning towards the right (clockwise)
Levogire = movement turning towards the left (anticlockwise)
These are Latin terms used occasionally.
By the way have you ever noticed that, from the point of view of a human being standing upon Earth, on the North pole, Earth rotates in an anticlockwise movement however, from the perspective of someone standing on the south pole, Earth rotates in an clockwise movement!
Everything is so much a matter of perspective,
L/L,
W.
RE: The Confederation - Monica - 09-12-2009
(09-12-2009, 01:16 AM)Whitefeather Wrote: Yes, I think I didn't put that well; it is not 'polarity all the way up'. I am aware that above polarity, there is singularity as light-form. What I call 'singularity' is, I believe, what you call 'beyond polarity' in your posts; different words, same meaning. And, correction here: a galaxy is a singularity and has no polarity itself though it contains it on lower octaves. Humm..., with words, comes distortion, doesn't it?
OK, agreed!
(09-12-2009, 01:16 AM)Whitefeather Wrote: By the way have you ever noticed that, from the point of view of a human being standing upon Earth, on the North pole, Earth rotates in an anticlockwise movement however, from the perspective of someone standing on the south pole, Earth rotates in an clockwise movement!
Everything is so much a matter of perspective,
I've always had trouble whenever anyone told me to turn something clockwise or counter-clockwise. I would always ask "From which direction?" to which the inevitable reply would be "It doesn't matter!" and the person would insist that it was always the same. But that never made sense to me; it's different depending on whether you're looking at from above or below. What I found strange is that so many people never noticed that.