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RE: The Horrors of STS - Ali Quadir - 03-15-2012
@Shin'Ar
I know... You can read it as a full agreement. It happens
(03-15-2012, 03:22 PM)Pickle Wrote: Let's say that you have a whole city of people that are content to not climb the mountain, no matter what they are told the view is like. They would forever remain where they are, content to continue what they do. Sure there would be the individual that does not conform, that will strive to make it to the top of the mountain, against all odds.You have a very negative view on humanity. I don't share your view. People will continue to improve themselves against all odds. The idea that the whip causes good people has been tried over and over again. But it is incorrect. It really does not work like that. Pain brings out the worst in people. Love the best. There is a big margin of personal choice in this. But on the whole being beaten and violated doesn't give anyone an advantage in life. It's a major setback.
It makes people cynical, it makes them expect the worst. And it makes them retire to a small safe circle of life. They won't achieve greatness because they think in terms of survival. And it's that exact mindset that helps the psychopaths stay in power... If you think about survival then the Powers that be are your source of survival and all their shortcomings are forgiven...
STS is not the creator of our system. Neither is STO... Both aspects are merely names for particular categories of human behavior... Human behavior as a whole has created the system.
Human beings are brilliant. They are beautiful and they have accomplished things that are rare and unique in this galaxy. It may not seem like much to the people on the ground.. But if you had the possibility to compare...
RE: The Horrors of STS - BrownEye - 03-15-2012
I have a completely different angle of understanding this.
Quote: Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your,as you call it,primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo,but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong,good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move,to work and to learn.
Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not,in the feeling of those Logoi,given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.
Lose the suffering, lose the quality. I am sure you know what monochrome is.
Quote: STS is not the creator of our systemThe societal structure i get to be a part of was definitely created by STS. "Ownership" is even mentioned in the material as shortening our lifespan.
RE: The Horrors of STS - Shin'Ar - 03-15-2012
Although I do not agree with Pickle's assessment of how to move the human to higher being, or safer hills as he puts it, I have to agree that this world is most definitely under the control of STS oriented complexes.
I think that it is the result of choice on both sides, and the observation that STS is so much more prominent in this world system, only serves to further warn us of the potential concerns in considering self gratifications, and/or dismissing or being apathetic to the danger.
I think that if one wants to make this world a better place for All, than they will make choices that do more than benefit only themselves. And if one does not care if the human annihilates itself in the course of self gratification, than they will make choices in which they sacrifice the best interests of others for their own.
RE: The Horrors of STS - BrownEye - 03-15-2012
Quote: , and the observation that STS is so much more prominent in this world system,I consider the world mostly unpolarized, with a minority that are polarized to STS. The amount polarizing to the positive only grows because of the experience of suffering they perceive.
The possibility for "evil" was created for a reason. Not just so that its existence can be destroyed. That is from "religion".
RE: The Horrors of STS - Ali Quadir - 03-15-2012
(03-15-2012, 07:21 PM)Pickle Wrote:Quote: , and the observation that STS is so much more prominent in this world system,I consider the world mostly unpolarized, with a minority that are polarized to STS. The amount polarizing to the positive only grows because of the experience of suffering they perceive.
The possibility for "evil" was created for a reason. Not just so that its existence can be destroyed. That is from "religion".
Evil and good are just concepts you get if you combine free will with the distortion of separation. The vast majority is and has always been STO... Current society allows for STS choices. But the vast majority of people has always been oriented towards the community..
All anyone ever wants is to be happy and avoid pain. These are the absolute most basic drives of people and from it all other drives emerge. From this automatically emerges a situation where we avoid each others pain and cause each other happyness if we can...
The negative must be imprinted upon this by scarcity, negative beliefs and patterning. All of which has happened and happens on a regular basis. And it is like a reproducing virus. But it's not coincidental that any society that is left to it's own devices for a longer time and builds up a degree of stability and wealth always moves towards the positive.
This is also the cause why it seems like so many nations and races are less evolved. They have a less stable environment and have been less able to orient towards the positive. They carry more of the negative impulse. But it is not an intrinsic part of them.
The STS group does exist and causes a lare amount of the negative impulses that travel through society. But they did not construct society. They only manipulate it from within and change it to serve them to the degree they can. Which is less and less everyday.