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RE: Greetings. Oct282011 Website (quite interesting)! - zenmaster - 11-01-2011
exactly.
RE: Greetings. Oct282011 Website (quite interesting)! - native - 11-02-2011
(11-01-2011, 04:11 PM)Ens Entium Wrote: I'm at a loss to see where the non-acceptance comes in.
Most of these ideas on hope refer to false hopes. False as in unreasonable or uninformed. Consider my college example above. Can you see how the father's attachments to his own definitions of how life should be created a false hope? As in, we hope for things that aren't necessary, mostly because we haven't examined what it is we are really seeking.
Quote:Does hope mean that one has necessarily become attached to the desired outcome. I see hope as just another 'emanation' or personalisable 'object' that one *can* become attached to (or not); not that hope itself indicates an element of attachment or identification.
It can signal attachment. We of course all have our ideals, but the idea is to not be emotional about them. Emotions tend to throw us out of the present, where we are stuck thinking about the past or the future.
Quote:I'm just curious about what it is specifically that is not accepted or what it is about the self that is distanced from the self. Is it the unrecognised qualities of self and values that have taken form in what the hope is for?
Yes, you got it. Politics or the Occupy Wall Street movement are good examples of hope in relation to non-acceptance. Both situations involve greed and power that were allowed to go unchecked because people were too busy with their own lives. Now that things are a mess people want retribution without wanting to look at themselves. All their hopes involve fixing the problems that appear to reside outside of themselves, when in reality the problems reside within. The less we acknowledge of a situation the more we distance ourselves from integrating the unconscious qualities.
RE: Greetings. Oct282011 Website (quite interesting)! - Namaste - 11-02-2011
Nice quote ZM, thanks.
I would not invalidate hope however, as it is often the precursor to knowingness. An empowered state of being.
Hope > Belief > Faith > Trust > Knowingness
RE: Greetings. Oct282011 Website (quite interesting)! - Oceania - 11-02-2011
hope can blow cynicism out of the water.
RE: Greetings. Oct282011 Website (quite interesting)! - zenmaster - 11-02-2011
(11-02-2011, 07:54 AM)Namaste Wrote: Nice quote ZM, thanks.You don't 'invalidate hope'. A person has to start somewhere, with some unique disposition, perceiving something as-yet accepted, in some individual manner. To ultimately make things digestible, dressing them with some nebulous appeal makes them compelling - like a shiny stone to a child. From that perspective of disparity of being/not-being, there is often motivation, unless the hope (the underlying ideas) is sufficient in and of itself, which is often the case. When the hope itself suffices, you have the same effect as fear in preventing discovery of self. However, it is never the case that a hope or fear need suffice due to lack of opportunity for actual experience.
I would not invalidate hope however, as it is often the precursor to knowingness. An empowered state of being.
Hope > Belief > Faith > Trust > Knowingness
RE: Greetings. Oct282011 Website (quite interesting)! - Namaste - 11-02-2011
(11-02-2011, 09:16 AM)zenmaster Wrote: You don't 'invalidate hope'. A person has to start somewhere, with some unique disposition, perceiving something as-yet accepted, in some individual manner. To ultimately make things digestible, dressing them with some nebulous appeal makes them compelling - like a shiny stone to a child. From that perspective of disparity of being/not-being, there is often motivation, unless the hope (the underlying ideas) is sufficient in and of itself, which is often the case. When the hope itself suffices, you have the same effect as fear in preventing discovery of self. However, it is never the case that a hope or fear need suffice due to lack of opportunity for actual experience.
I agree entirely. It was more to point that hope is still of much use, reading it as 'hollow' could be misunderstood by some.
RE: Greetings. Oct282011 Website (quite interesting)! - Oceania - 11-02-2011
a guy sits in a dark dungeon, having lost all hope. the evil king has doomed him to spend his days in a hole. suddenly he sees a fairy that says i can get you out of here. he wonders am i dreaming? he suddenly gets hope that he can get out. if this is false and the fairy is a dream, and there really is no way out, it's stupid. but if that prison is made out of cynicism then hope is great. it will break him out of that prison.
RE: Greetings. Oct282011 Website (quite interesting)! - Namaste - 11-02-2011
A dream is no less real than this reality; that hope can create an intent, and as we all know, intend is the key to manifestation :¬)
RE: Greetings. Oct282011 Website (quite interesting)! - 3DMonkey - 11-02-2011
I wonder. Is my definition of hope attributing the word entirely to the spirit complex? Is the semantic difference that others attribute the word to the mind complex?