(06-16-2011, 01:26 PM)Icaro Wrote: What a 'spiritual teacher' is saying when they charge for something they put together is "I spent years and years of my life accumulating a bookshelf worth of books, going on retreats, going to seminars, traveling to other countries, paying for adept training, etc. etc. You don't have to spend the $15,000 I've spent on all of that. I've accumulated everything I know into this package. Buy it if you want, and here's a bunch of other stuff for free." I see nothing wrong with that.

(06-16-2011, 06:57 PM)unity100 Wrote: does spirit charge for what it gives to those people ?

(06-16-2011, 06:57 PM)unity100 Wrote: does spirit charge for what it gives to those people ?

(06-16-2011, 09:55 PM)Oceania Wrote: it's not the information, it's the time you put in it.

(06-15-2011, 11:09 AM)Icaro Wrote: Who knows..it's all debatable. She says she has no past lives, that's why she doesn't remember any. There are probably aspects of the Creator that never incarnate and perform other functions. I see no reason to place limits on why and how things happen, and to try and answer everything through our limited framework of spirit evolution.

(06-16-2011, 10:41 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(06-16-2011, 06:57 PM)unity100 Wrote: does spirit charge for what it gives to those people ?

"There is no experience which is not purchased by effort of some kind, no act of service-to-self or others which does not bear a price, to the entity manifesting, commensurate with its purity."

(06-16-2011, 11:06 PM)Icaro Wrote:

(06-16-2011, 06:57 PM)unity100 Wrote: does spirit charge for what it gives to those people ?

I'm with you. Ideally information should not come at a cost. Those that are devoted to the spiritual path full-time have to make money somehow.

I hate to speak for Carla, but she has mentioned that she has been a spiritual counselor. That title usually indicates that someone offers their services at a cost, though I can't say that is the case for her.

Are we honestly going to say Carla is a bad person if she did charge money? And the Law of One websites haven't been around forever, which means the books weren't always free.

(06-17-2011, 04:36 AM)Meerie Wrote: According to Dolores Cannon, there are quite a few souls incarnate here who had no previous lives. Thru her regressions she however found out that they have "Imprints" of other peoples past lives. That means, they might actually remember a past life in a regression, but it is one they have not lived themselves. Each soul gets to choose imprints so they won't feel completely lost here since it is their first time. I like the idea, like you go to a bookstore and read a biography of someone elses life. Does't it at times make you feel you are right inside that persons life too?

(06-17-2011, 08:10 AM)unity100 Wrote: but, the idea is, we know that such situations reduce purity. it is up to each to strive for the highest purity level they can.

(06-17-2011, 11:35 AM)Icaro Wrote: Sure, but until we exist in a world where money is no longer needed we will have to be compensated somehow. And of course here in 3d we won't be free of impurity. Love and gratefulness is given in return for what is purchased.

(06-16-2011, 10:38 PM)Raman Wrote: The matrix formed around money as the basis of relationships between humans is absurd...they would not find who killed president kennedy but they will find you in the middle of the Amazon forest if you did not pay your taxes (except if you are a banker, CEO, etc...)

MOney is absurd...I absolutely do not understand why people want it...only thing I know it helps family an dme to survive in this matrix..So the important thing is the intention. I think LL reserach selling stuff is very different to David W selling his or others like that fellow on avalon or whatever name is the project.

Bu I agree with many of you. money...kinda give me nausea and vomiting. unfortunately i need it. -----because other people wants it...

(06-17-2011, 07:33 PM)unity100 Wrote: im irrelevant to the crux of the matter.

(06-17-2011, 11:37 PM)Icaro Wrote:

(06-17-2011, 07:33 PM)unity100 Wrote: im irrelevant to the crux of the matter.

I'm simply saying that those who participate in the system of money also can't be critical of others. Whether someone's work is spiritually related or not, it's all ownership in the end.

(06-18-2011, 02:06 PM)Icaro Wrote: There certainly is a prerequisite, but it is more of a simultaneous thing, that being that you can't point the finger without (literally) pointing your finger at the self also.

Quote:I've seen you defend money being unnecessary, to which I agree, yet you participate in and perpetuate the system and now (apparently), are saying one act of accepting money is better than the other.

There is no excuse as to why you should be able to work for money and those that do spiritual work shouldn't. There may be a higher effect, it's possible, but it is moot in the end. In essence, neither should be charging. Everything should be devoted towards serving others and therefore be considered spiritual. Everything should be freely given, because no one owns anything and your line of work is not an exception. So the point is, we acknowledge that we are in an unfortunate position and do what we have to to survive and progress. Ideally, someone doing spiritual work could lessen the impurity of directly charging for their spiritual work and support themselves with side-tasks, but that isn't always the case.

We are essentially caught in a philosophical divide here on the nature of criticism, not about the specifics of money and spirituality. I think it is more important to call attention to the character and intention of who is being criticized. I would say it is more worthwhile to make a distinction between those who seek great profit and those who are really trying to make a difference. In this way there isn't a debate about participation in different levels of a system as somehow being better than the other (spiritual vs. 'non-spiritual'), rather, we focus on the intention behind the participation as what is ultimately important. If any participation in the system is ultimately bad, then it is essentially the character/intention behind it that the distinction lies.

I question the difference of impurity however, as it relates to intention. If your intentions are good, it may offset some of the impurity, and therefore the effort could be considered worthwhile. We can't know the specifics on a metaphysical level. It is best to work towards purity as you say.

(06-18-2011, 09:35 PM)Raman Wrote: It is indeed important. It reminds me of old marxist philosophers saying not matter what you do capitalism would absorb everything. And capitalism is about maintaining beings on lower rays through fear of survival and negative yellow (plus red/orange) which is what negatives use to polarize. So in this case, orange yellow (negative) will absorb any activity as long as is made in a capitalist environment.

Quote:By the way, unity100 are you saying that all of Ra memory complex is incarnated or you are referring to 5th density plane?

(06-18-2011, 10:17 PM)Icaro Wrote: That is an excellent answer in certain respects, but I'm not sure we can know the full interplay.

Quote:For instance, what about the resulting energies at play? There is gratitude from the buyer. It hopefully results in peace, solace, and their awakening. There is the lightening of the planetary consciousness. Maybe these results heal any impurity in the original exchange, and there is forgiveness on a time/space level, alleviating the blockage of the seller.

Quote:What is the real question that needs to be asked? Is it which activity is most negatively affective?

(06-18-2011, 10:27 PM)unity100 Wrote: ra had said that there were 60+ mil wanderers circa 1981 or so, and most of them were from Ra.

Quote:32.14 Questioner: I meant was it possible for a green ray person who is primarily of green ray activation to vary on both sides of the green ray in a large or a small amount in regards to energy activation, or is he primarily green ray?
Ra: I am Ra. We grasp the newness of material requested by you. It was unclear, for we thought we had covered this material. The portion covered is this: the green ray activation is always vulnerable to the yellow or orange ray of possession, this being largely yellow ray but often coming into orange ray. Fear of possession, desire for possession, fear of being possessed, desire to be possessed: these are the distortions which will cause the deactivation of green ray energy transfer.

Quote:34.9 Questioner: Thank you. Can you give me the same type of information about the self in relation to the societal self?
Ra: I am Ra. The unmanifested self may find its lessons those which develop any of the energy influx centers of the mind/body/spirit complex. The societal and self interactions most often concentrate upon the second and third energy centers. Thus those most active in attempting to remake or alter the society are those working from feelings of being correct personally or of having answers which will put power in a more correct configuration. This may be seen to be of a full travel from negative to positive in orientation. Either will activate these energy ray centers.

There are some few whose desires to aid society are of a green ray nature or above. These entities, however, are few due to the understanding, may we say, of fourth ray that universal love freely given is more to be desired than principalities or even the rearrangement of peoples or political structures.

Quote:ra had said that there were 60+ mil wanderers circa 1981 or so, and most of them were from Ra.

Quote:45.3 Questioner: Can you tell me if a large percentage of the Wanderers here now are those of Ra?

Ra: I am Ra. I can.

45.4 Questioner: Are they?

Ra: I am Ra. A significant portion of sixth-density Wanderers are those of our social memory complex. Another large portion consists of those who aided those in South America; another portion, those aiding Atlantis. All are sixth density and all brother and sister groups due to the unified feeling that as we had been aided by shapes such as the pyramid, so we could aid your peoples.