(03-12-2011, 10:48 PM)Ocean Wrote: i've never *felt* it necessary for me to have a body, it's so hard to take care of. i can't wait for the day when i get a 4th density one.

(03-12-2011, 10:31 PM)Ocean Wrote: the grass is always greener.

(03-12-2011, 07:47 PM)unity100 Wrote:

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Quote:there seems to be great resistance to the idea of death on average. for some reason.

I feel it is because many view death as destruction. Even having faith in LOO teachings, some might find it disconcerting to ultimately shed your personality.

I would like to believe that once it's gone, we'll realize the physical personality is more constricting and it will be a relief to be free of it (until our next incarnation).

curious part is, even those people who speak of being 'one' or 'i am' or 'everything' seem to exhibit that resistance.

Quote:The word autism first took its modern sense in 1938 when Hans Asperger of the Vienna University Hospital adopted Bleuler's terminology autistic psychopaths in a lecture in German about child psychology. Asperger was investigating an ASD now known as Asperger syndrome, though for various reasons it was not widely recognized as a separate diagnosis until 1981. Leo Kanner of the Johns Hopkins Hospital first used autism in its modern sense in English when he introduced the label early infantile autism in a 1943 report of 11 children with striking behavioral similarities.

Quote:3-4d bodies seem to be in one package. there are no seperate 4d bodies. the body in question is able to live in 3d environment, and do not get disrupted electrically when facing 4d environment or 4d phenomenon.

Quote:and in another sidenote, this may be a necessity for the newly forming 4d understanding and groups to be able to live with their own philosophy and rules instead of the established hierarchical one that is on this planet.

(03-13-2011, 08:35 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: Good point, i think that will more closely associate with a shorter transition period though. More than a century seems adequate time for social structures to change quite a bit, especially with the 'new breed' coming to take up incarnation here.

(03-13-2011, 04:37 AM)hogey11 Wrote: Ra seems to be fairly sure when the channelings happened that the world would suffer some sort of cataclysm at harvest.

Quote:1.7 Questioner: Can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our physical reality?

Ra: I am Ra. I preferred to wait till this instrument had again reached the proper state of depth of singleness or one-pointedness before we spoke.

The changes are very, very trivial. We do not concern ourselves with the conditions which bring about harvest.

(03-13-2011, 12:29 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: Incidentally, the discussion we've been having on this thread has been a reminder that you will have a physical body in addition to the wonderful electrical body that you will, mainly, operate and experience from.

(03-13-2011, 09:14 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-13-2011, 04:37 AM)hogey11 Wrote: Ra seems to be fairly sure when the channelings happened that the world would suffer some sort of cataclysm at harvest.

Quote:1.7 Questioner: Can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our physical reality?

Ra: I am Ra. I preferred to wait till this instrument had again reached the proper state of depth of singleness or one-pointedness before we spoke.

The changes are very, very trivial. We do not concern ourselves with the conditions which bring about harvest.

If Ra said that the coming physical planetary changes are very, very trivial, why would you say Ra seems to be fairly sure that the world would suffer some sort of cataclysm?

Quote:i dont think so. i was meaning the spiritual talk that happens here and there.

(03-13-2011, 09:14 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-13-2011, 12:29 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: Incidentally, the discussion we've been having on this thread has been a reminder that you will have a physical body in addition to the wonderful electrical body that you will, mainly, operate and experience from.

Where does Ra describe the 4D body as an 'electrical body'?

(03-13-2011, 08:56 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(03-13-2011, 08:35 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: Good point, i think that will more closely associate with a shorter transition period though. More than a century seems adequate time for social structures to change quite a bit, especially with the 'new breed' coming to take up incarnation here.

may not be. may be too long.

4d vibrations are here since 1937, and in a year or so the planet will get fully aligned with them. if, in this situation, the entities which are already able to perceive and make some use of 4d vibrations in 3-4d bodies are forced to oblige with the negative/self centered ways of living the current society demands, what this would do to at large, leave aside individual results, may not be desirable, due to the 'thoughts become things' nature of 4d.

(03-13-2011, 09:36 AM)Ens Entium Wrote:

(03-13-2011, 09:14 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-13-2011, 12:29 AM)Ens Entium Wrote: Incidentally, the discussion we've been having on this thread has been a reminder that you will have a physical body in addition to the wonderful electrical body that you will, mainly, operate and experience from.

Where does Ra describe the 4D body as an 'electrical body'?

Where did I say Ra said that? i was picking up on what people have said about it being a light body, elecrtical body, etc. The next sentence where i refered to Ra was disconnected from the previous one.

(03-13-2011, 10:10 AM)zenmaster Wrote: OK so just 'rolling with it', so to speak. Sometimes when I see that there are distinctions or qualifications provided, such as of particular body type, I assume this is coming from some knowledge system, such as is related in the Ra material. I realize we all have our own vague intuitive conceptualizations, which mainly serve as place holders or pointers until we bother to investigate or learn about their nature.

Quote:43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.

Quote:48.8 The red-ray body is your chemical body. However, it is not the body which you have as clothing in the physical. It is the unconstructed material of the body, the elemental body without form. This basic unformed material body is important to understand for there are healings which may be carried out by the simple understanding of the elements present in the physical vehicle.

The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. This body may live without the inhabitation of the mind and spirit complexes. However, it seldom does so.

The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it.

The green-ray body is that body which may be seen in séance when what you call ectoplasm is furnished. This is a lighter body packed more densely with life. You may call this the astral body following some other teachings. Others have called this same body the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense that the etheric body is that body of gateway wherein intelligent energy is able to mold the mind/body/spirit complex.

Quote:When the third-density goes out of activation and into potentiation that will leave us with a planet that is first, second, and fourth-density. At that time there will be no activated third-density vibrations on this planet. Am I correct in assuming that all third-density vibrations on this planet now are those vibrations that compose the bodily complexes of entities such as we are; that that is the sum total of third-density vibrations on this planet at this time?
Ra: I am Ra. (blah blah blah instrument stuff).

To answer your query, this is incorrect only in that in addition to the mind/body/spirit complexes of third-density there are the artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings which these co-Creators have produced. This is third-density.

(03-13-2011, 10:39 AM)Ocean Wrote: well put zenmaster.

i also read that about autism brains. i think it was mentioned by the beacons. if you talk true silent autistics who fully live in their own world, i dunno if they are in pain, some sources seem to think they're ok, while others don't. these are all channeled entities i trust. so i think the truth lies in the middle, or how you look at it. what do we know really? i know i've had difficulty as have most of us. so probably do they.

(03-13-2011, 02:50 PM)hogey11 Wrote: A few interesting pieces:

Quote:43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.

This also supports the "electrical" body being that of the energy centers rather than of the chemical reactions of the body.

Maybe it was I who said Ra said it instead of Q'uo.... i get mixed up sometimes. Sorry!

(03-13-2011, 02:50 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I see this possibly being a control thing. If we gain dexterity with our brain similar to what we have in our fingers in 4D, this would make sense. Our brain would no longer work as a soup of chemicals, but instead as a tool of which we have complete control.

(03-13-2011, 04:03 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-13-2011, 02:50 PM)hogey11 Wrote: A few interesting pieces:

Quote:43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.

This also supports the "electrical" body being that of the energy centers rather than of the chemical reactions of the body.

Maybe it was I who said Ra said it instead of Q'uo.... i get mixed up sometimes. Sorry!

I'm surprised that one could interpret Ra's response in that manner. It would clearly seem that the 4D body is also a chemical body (i.e. atomic structures), but of a different 'core vibration'.

Obviously we can see an 'astral' entity's body, but what we call astral is only a 'shadow' from a 3D-mind perspective. We can not see it as it is, unless 1) 'ectoplasm' is furnished, 2) we are perceiving it from a 4d-mind (i.e. 4D time/space or metaphysical), 3) it's an dual-activated or an early 4D body, or 4) the 4D entity is advanced enough in 4D understanding to make part of itself visible - which could mean discomfort for the 4D entity.

(03-13-2011, 02:50 PM)hogey11 Wrote: I see this possibly being a control thing. If we gain dexterity with our brain similar to what we have in our fingers in 4D, this would make sense. Our brain would no longer work as a soup of chemicals, but instead as a tool of which we have complete control.

I agree that there would be more control of the 4D body from a 4D mind-complex, but apparently such control only exists in potential, initially. The control, like any use of 4D 'intelligent energy' abilities, is a learned skill. It may take many years to discover.

It's interesting that Ra goes so far to matter-of-factly relate the natural consequences of early 4D abilities with respect to this control - as if this learning was a common thing and had particular importance or relevance.

(03-13-2011, 05:14 PM)Ocean Wrote: i didn't mean they are channeled entities, i was saying channeled entities have different ways to explain autism. autistics aren't that dissimilar to us, probably just more sensitive to the 3D vibration, and i can't imagine how painful it is for them if for me it's sometimes felt unbearable and i'm not fully autistic. diet also affects them a great deal. when i stopped eating certain foods i got so much better in dealing with the world. i'm glad a lot of parents are now feeding their kids proper food. i think diet and nutrition is like the leading thing now in alternative autism care. a lot of parents are waking up and saying i need to learn myself how things work. instead of relying on doctors. it's making them more empowered, so i think it's a great catalyst. of course then there are those who listen to Autism Speaks which is an organization that just makes money off kids and spreads hateful disinformation. i wish there was more info on the spiritual nature of autism and what it all means, and i wish channeled entities who talk about it would make the distinction on autism and asperger's cuz they only say autism and i dunno if they include the whole diagnostic spectrum of it. cuz obviously some on the spectrum are able to walk talk and therefore probably have more responsibility and ability to polarize. i mean, are the fully autistic ones gonna float through the harvest or heaven forbid get stuck in 3D? are they all readymade for 4D then?

Quote:41.13 Questioner: Is this energy center, then, on a very small scale related to the orange energy center in man?
Ra: I am Ra. The true color is precisely the same. However, the consciousness of the second-density beginning is primitive and the use of orange ray limited to the expression of self which may be seen to be movement and survival.

In third-density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.

The appropriate true color for third-density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.

However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange ray manifestations at this space/time nexus.

Thus true color orange is that which it is without difference. However, the manifestations of this or any ray may be seen to be most various depending upon the vibratory levels and balances of the mind/body or mind/body/spirit complexes which are expressing these energies.

Quote:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19009353
between 3% and 25% of children reportedly lose their ASD diagnosis and enter the normal range of cognitive, adaptive and social skills.....
Possible mechanisms of recovery include: normalizing input by forcing attention outward or enriching the environment; promoting the reinforcement value of social stimuli; preventing interfering behaviors; mass practice of weak skills; reducing stress and stabilizing arousal. Improving nutrition and sleep quality is non-specifically beneficial.

(03-13-2011, 02:50 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Again, I am going to argue that our transition to 4D will not include the "human" idea of death. It will be a death of an era and a death in our livestyles/worldviews, but it will not be a "Oh God We're all gonnna diiiieeeee!" way, imo. I feel these quotes are clues to this conclusion, although they also very nearly throw a stick in my spokes at the same time.

Quote:63.13 Questioner: Now these entities incarnate into a third-density vibratory body. I am trying to understand how this transition takes place from third to fourth-density. I will take the example of one of these entities of which we are speaking who is now in a third-density body. He will grow older and then will it be necessary that he die from the third-density physical body and reincarnate in a fourth-density body for that transition?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are those incarnating with what you may call a double body in activation. It will be noted that the entities birthing these fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. This is due to the necessity for manifesting the double body.

This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

To answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third-density necessities.

Quote:This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

(03-14-2011, 02:17 AM)hogey11 Wrote: @Unity100... I guess my issue is not with the idea that our 3D self will die; my questions are more in regards to what it means in respect to the complete picture. Why does Ra make it very clear each time he is speaking of the yellow sphere specifically? He mentions no end of the red or orange spheres in any way, and differentiates the yellow from the green as a difference of perception? An inability to understand the world without the 4D lens is what will end the 3rd density, according to that quote. Take this part for example:

Quote:This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

Quote:Additionally, I feel like Ra is being too straightforward with their handling of death. I have found in my own readings that Ra seems to be almost "catalytic" in thier discussion of death throughout the LOO. They know that death/mortality is our issue; the one thing we really can't get over. For this reason, I get the feeling Ra is challenging us by giving us a very bleak-sounding scenario. However, as we are warned, trust nothing that brings fear, and that's why I question some sort of terrible end to us

(03-14-2011, 02:17 AM)hogey11 Wrote: Additionally, I feel like Ra is being too straightforward with their handling of death. I have found in my own readings that Ra seems to be almost "catalytic" in thier discussion of death throughout the LOO. They know that death/mortality is our issue; the one thing we really can't get over. For this reason, I get the feeling Ra is challenging us by giving us a very bleak-sounding scenario. However, as we are warned, trust nothing that brings fear, and that's why I question some sort of terrible end to us all.

(03-15-2011, 01:02 AM)zenmaster Wrote: On the other hand, it's perfectly natural to want to avoid undue suffering.