Quote:6 The person who is taught God’s word should share all good things with his teacher. 7 Make no mistake about this: You can never make a fool out of God. Whatever you plant is what you’ll harvest. 8 If you plant in the soil of your corrupt nature, you will harvest destruction. But if you plant in the soil of your spiritual nature, you will harvest everlasting life.

(02-06-2020, 04:19 PM)Infinite Wrote: It seems to me the term "Harvest" come from biblical perspectives:

Quote:6 The person who is taught God’s word should share all good things with his teacher. 7 Make no mistake about this: You can never make a fool out of God. Whatever you plant is what you’ll harvest. 8 If you plant in the soil of your corrupt nature, you will harvest destruction. But if you plant in the soil of your spiritual nature, you will harvest everlasting life.

(Galatians 6:6-8)

It makes sense to me.

Quote:Matthew 13:30. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

(02-06-2020, 05:06 PM)kristina Wrote: Here is one from Matthew

Quote:Matthew 13:30. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Tares grew with the wheat and looked identical to wheat until it matured and only until then could you tell the wheat from the tares. They grow side by side and only until their maturity (growth) could you then tell them apart and upon which time the wheat would bow in reverence and humility as if it were doing the Will of God (hence the parable), tares upon maturity doesn't bow (hence the parable) in other words it lacks in reverence or humility. And that is the parable of the wheat and tares.
Let's not get caught up in a word. Its just a parable.
The word "burn: that is used just means to forever separate the two.
Just as the word "barn" is not a literal barn, it is the kingdom of Heaven.

I guess that is why I thought that harvest was a positive thing.
Also, I would like to say once more that I consider one who speaks about love as much as Ra would almost have to be a positive entity.
Actually, in all, the material is very light upon speaking negatively about anything at all.
Unless I am missing something...

Quote:“I know all the things you do, that you are neither hot nor cold. I wish that you were one or the other!"

(02-06-2020, 08:39 PM)Infinite Wrote:

(02-06-2020, 05:06 PM)kristina Wrote: Here is one from Matthew

Quote:Matthew 13:30. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Tares grew with the wheat and looked identical to wheat until it matured and only until then could you tell the wheat from the tares. They grow side by side and only until their maturity (growth) could you then tell them apart and upon which time the wheat would bow in reverence and humility as if it were doing the Will of God (hence the parable), tares upon maturity doesn't bow (hence the parable) in other words it lacks in reverence or humility. And that is the parable of the wheat and tares.
Let's not get caught up in a word. Its just a parable.
The word "burn: that is used just means to forever separate the two.
Just as the word "barn" is not a literal barn, it is the kingdom of Heaven.

I guess that is why I thought that harvest was a positive thing.
Also, I would like to say once more that I consider one who speaks about love as much as Ra would almost have to be a positive entity.
Actually, in all, the material is very light upon speaking negatively about anything at all.
Unless I am missing something...

I agree. Here another cleary reference. It's about the people who will repeat the 3D:

Quote:“I know all the things you do, that you are neither hot nor cold. I wish that you were one or the other!"

(Revelation 3:15)

(02-07-2020, 07:35 AM)kristina Wrote: You must travel though the book with discernment, right? Do you agree Infinite

(02-06-2020, 02:52 PM)kristina Wrote: ...
This person is saying that the word meaning and process of "harvest" and the channeled being (Ra) is negative.
...

(02-08-2020, 09:26 AM)David_1 Wrote:    The “Harvest” is absolutely most definitely positive.
   If my understanding is valid, at the time of death each soul goes to the place that is appropriate for its inner light.  A 3D individual that is not ready for a 4D experience will be given a new opportunity to grow in either a positive or negative direction until they are ready.  Since Earth is becoming 4D positive, Earth will not be suitable for those who still need more time to make the choice.  For those who are not yet ready, to move to another planet after the life experience on Earth is not a punishment, but rather a placement in the appropriate environment.
   A 3D positive person will be ready for a 4D positive environment if their light is bright enough – that is, if they are positive enough through their focusing on others.
   I don’t think a person could survive in a 4D positive environment without being strongly positive, just as a person would not survive in a 4D negative environment unless they had learned to grow strongly negative.
   A 3D negative person will be ready for a 4D negative environment if they focus enough only on themselves.
   Each of us goes to a place where everyone else is a lot like we are.  There each person is provided the opportunity for further growth.

(02-08-2020, 04:44 PM)flofrog Wrote: David,  this is also how I see Earth, but still, doesn't Ra mention at some point that, since 4D entities need to continue evolving, there would still be catalyst and even if catalysts would not be the same as in 3D, perhaps physical catalyst,  since the environment would be different ?   So given an entity which has become 4D,  wouldn't there still be encounters with 4D negatives so catalysts continue ?  

Quote:The fourth and fifth densities are quite independent, the positive polarity functioning with no need of negative and vice-versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway third-density mind/body/spirit complexes in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. We perceive the query now.
To give this in your terms is misleading for there are, shall we say, visual aids or training aids available in fourth density which automatically aid the entity in polarization while cutting down extremely upon the quick effect of catalyst. Thus the density above yours must take up more space/time.

Quote:43.9 ▶ Questioner: In the next density, or the… in the fourth density, is the catalyst of physical pain used as a mechanism for experiential balancing?

Ra: I am Ra. The use of physical pain is minimal, having only to do with the end of the fourth-density incarnation. This physical pain would not be considered severe enough to treat, shall we say, in third density. The catalysts of mental and spiritual pain are used in fourth density.

(02-08-2020, 08:01 PM)flofrog Wrote: whoa thank you both kristina and infinite,    definitely these quotes remind me of these reading and sort of studying I did... thank you thank you !!!
kristina yes I suddenly remembered ohhhh it will be easier and then... oooh perhaps not so !!  Infinite thank you so much too !I couldn't quite remember if both were separated the negative and positive, and it is probably because I read how difficult it would be for the negative in fourth that I mistakenly thought in the end they were mixed..

Really interesting, thank you both !!!