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RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Jade - 12-02-2015
(12-01-2015, 11:44 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: So your All Will is No Will?
Makes sense to me actually.
Jade, I can agree with that...Just I meditate at work between 3-5am since I get the chance to do so sometimes, and its...I don't want to chance being in an angry or annoyed or irritated emotion when a customer walks in, so I try to guide myself to quiet and calm. When it doesn't work is a bit worrisome, then that knocks me out of meditation usually (anxiety breaks my concentration very easily for some reason).
But at home, totally absolutely agree. Everything and anything is very useful! I like how you call it the subconscious mind. It totally is! Even the thoughts feel like they've been quietly buried tumbling about inside of me. Like an automated Lower Courtyard balancing attempt. Its pretty cool.
The subconscious mind is the High Priestess, the one who potentiates, who desires us to court her like a maiden with love and patience. So the best way to respond to an "unsuccessful" meditation is still with the same gratitude, love, and patience as a peaceful meditation. You can't be mad when she doesn't perform the way you want her to every time. I'm not saying you are, just drawing the archetypical correlation to the experience. She also probably doesn't like to hear "You can't help me this time!" (even if it's true!)
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Minyatur - 12-03-2015
I thought this quote was interesting in regards to free will.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. We are humble messengers of the Law of One. To us there are no paradoxes. The workings which seem magical and, therefore, seem to infringe upon free will do not, in themselves, do so, for the distortions of perception are as many as the witnesses and each witness sees what it desires to see. Infringement upon free will occurs in this circumstance only if the entity doing the working ascribes the authorship of this event to its self or its own skills. Those who state that no working comes from it but only through it is *not* infringing upon free will.*.
* Ra meant to say “not infringing” on free will. See the next question and answer
Not sure I entirely agree with this statement but it's still an interesting take on the relativeness of free will.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Jade - 12-03-2015
I had to look up the quote for context, Ra was talking about Jesus (or anyone) doing healing and being witnessed by those who who remain asleep. So, this is specifically about healing - if one ascribes the healing event as created by the self/healer then they are taking the credit for the healing that the healee did to themselves, I guess.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 12-03-2015
I wish I could learn how to do healing.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Jade - 12-03-2015
Why do you feel you are unable to?
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Minyatur - 12-03-2015
(12-03-2015, 12:33 PM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I wish I could learn how to do healing.
To add to what Jade said, first step would be to become aware that you are able to and then to hone the skill.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Aion - 12-03-2015
Hands on healing has been a practice for ages.
In my understanding and from a Reiki perspective the reason this is done so that the healing 'sticks'. To attribute to oneself the healing is to 'learn/teach' for the other self. The reason it would be viewed as infringement because in this style of healing it is intelligent energy which does the work through the system of the One being healed. Thus, to attribute the skills to yourself is to give a false impression of what is actually happening.
I think this is the difference between a healer and a doctor. A healer is a channel, a facilitator. A doctor is a mechanic.
The other reason for this is because as a faith-based style of healing this helps the healing to 'stick' and for the individual to fully accept and integrate the healing because it is no longer tied to something finite (the person who is healing) but instead connects to a greater Source.
Thus, I see it as a nifty way of connecting others with Source while providing a service.
Yeshua also told people he healed to stay silent, to not tell anyone it was him who healed them. I believe this was also about faith. Remember that Ra suggests faith and intelligent infinity are two sides of the same coin.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Adonai One - 12-03-2015
In response to a later post:
All is one. All will face all there is. There is no will and infinite will to have in full realization of The Law of One, to the point the concept of will is fruitless when one is truly open and free: A concept has no place upon those who see no need to separate themselves from something they inherently are. These words are without point except to those who count what is already acquired.
Also: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=%22no+will%22
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Minyatur - 12-03-2015
So to heal in a finite way would be infrigement?
That is mainly what I am practicing, to generate Light as known to my being and not channel something greater.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Aion - 12-03-2015
No, it's the fact that the healer doesn't actually do any of the healing. From this view the Light belongs to no one and so no one can claim to be its sole source. There is only one Light.
The idea is to put the power in to the hands of the One being healed. I believe this is perfectly reflective of the way Ra describes healing.
Quote:66.10 Questioner: What is the difference, philosophically, between a mind/body/spirit complex healing itself through mental, shall I say, configuration or it being healed by an healer?
Ra: I am Ra. You have a misconception. The healer does not heal. The crystallized healer is a channel for intelligent energy which offers an opportunity to an entity that it might heal itself.
In no case is there an other description of healing. Therefore, there is no difference as long as the healer never approaches one whose request for aid has not come to it previously. This is also true of the more conventional healers of your culture and if these healers could but fully realize that they are responsible only for offering the opportunity of healing, and not for the healing, many of these entities would feel an enormous load of misconceived responsibility fall from them.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Minyatur - 12-03-2015
The healed also is intelligent infinity, can you not apply this to anything?
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Aion - 12-03-2015
Quote:4.20 Questioner: My objective is primarily to discover more of the Law of One, and [it would] be very helpful to discover techniques of healing. I am aware of your problem with respect to free will. Can you make… You cannot make suggestions, so I will ask you if you can state the Law of One and the laws of healing to me?
Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.
One of the primal distortions of the Law of One is that of healing. Healing occurs when a mind/body/spirit complex realizes, deep within itself, the Law of One; that is, that there is no disharmony, no imperfection; that all is complete and whole and perfect. Thus, the intelligent infinity within this mind/body/spirit complex re-forms the illusion of body, mind, or spirit to a form congruent with the Law of One. The healer acts as energizer or catalyst for this completely individual process.
One item which may be of interest is that a healer asking to learn must take the distortion understood as responsibility for that ask/receiving, thus healing. This is a[n] honor/duty which must be carefully considered in free will before the asking.
Permission is the fulcrum. To offer healing is the work of the healer. To do the healing and accept the healing is the work of the individual who is healing. A healer who offers, is declined and still pushes healing is infringing.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Aion - 12-03-2015
(12-03-2015, 05:10 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: The healed also is intelligent infinity, can you not apply this to anything?
That's redundant. Intelligent Infinity is always whole and so does not have to be healed ever. It is the return to the awareness of intelligent infinity within that produces healing. Again, the principle is with permission and communication.
A healer provides catalyst which offers the opportunity to return to this state. However, as said, the healer is only responsible for the offering, not the healing itself.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Minyatur - 12-03-2015
Makes sense but I'd still think it's appliable to any kind of service that can be given from one portion of intelligent infinity to another. In the same teach/learn and learn/teach essence.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Aion - 12-03-2015
For sure, it is a good illustration I think of what Ra exactly means by free will infringement. That a healer is able to offer healing that may be effective does not mean the healing must be taken. This is a hard thing for a healer who yearns to help.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - The_Tired_Philosopher - 12-04-2015
I just don't know how to. Not that I can't. I just don't know.
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Adonai One - 12-04-2015
(12-04-2015, 12:03 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I just don't know how to. Not that I can't. I just don't know.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=%22nothing+is+known%22
RE: Does Free Will choose, or offer us the capability of Choice? - Aion - 12-04-2015
(12-04-2015, 12:03 AM)The_Tired_Philosopher Wrote: I just don't know how to. Not that I can't. I just don't know.
Well is there a system or modality you are interested in? Were you in the vicinity I would gladly teach you Reiki, but I don't do long distance initiations.