(08-02-2010, 07:38 PM)CircleofOne Wrote: Wow only $30? The ones I've seen recommended have been more in the range of $300! I'd have to sell someone's kidney! I will check craigslist, thanks for the suggestion!

(08-02-2010, 07:38 PM)CircleofOne Wrote: As far as the juicing goes, was hunger ever a problem? I guess I'll also have to do some serious research on how to stop chronic acid reflux, which I see as being a painful problem with some of the more acidic juices. Not gonna stop me from trying though!

(08-02-2010, 08:04 PM)CircleofOne Wrote: Lemons? Eek! I will try it, but it sounds like that could be a paaaaaainful night! I usually drink a lot of milk to try and drown out the acid, but it's always kind of iffy. Now I see why! I'm trying to cut down on the sodas and do more water, tea, juices, especially with this Kansas heat.

I briefly checked out the ...water before when I saw it mentioned somewhere around here, I think Carla was talking about it in a blog. I will check out your link fully tonight, so maybe this is a redundant statement, but do the machines always cost $1000?

Have you ever tried the water that's bottled somewhere in Texas that is nothing but filtered rain? I never have, but they boast that rain is the "purest" form of water, despite the heavy pollutants in the air.

(08-10-2010, 11:33 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Are the stews you make still considered raw? I thought raw was things heated to 160 degrees F or less if I recall correctly.
Though you mentioned not being strict raw, so that could make sense.

(08-10-2010, 11:33 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'll have to pick up some good raw cookbooks. I'm almost completely moved over to vegetarian. So will give it a little before going fully raw.

(08-10-2010, 01:54 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So Monica, there's enough variety in those savory stews and other recipes they have to never get boring?

(08-10-2010, 01:54 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If it's as tasty as they mention, might be even better than the vegetarian diet I've been trying.

(08-10-2010, 01:54 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Are there raw replacements for bread or crackers?

Edit: Ok, I found on Google that there are. Just wandering about your recommendation for any.

(01-28-2010, 05:16 AM)NY1877 Wrote:

(01-28-2010, 05:08 AM)Chett Wrote: No expert here but I did note Ra mentioning eating meat in moderation for the 'instrument'. Now if we are not to be concerned about our own 'death', since its an opportunity to assess our path and reincarnate perhaps something similar is true of the the second density.
A cow does not have the opportunity to 'evolve' that a dog might ....
Also plants and animals are both 2nd density so if this is the path can we even eat plants?

Thank you for your insight brother.

The Hindus I know personally give a very strong argument. Edgar Cayce, correct me if I am wrong, also touts the benefits of the vegetarian diet--although he may be focusing on the health aspect, not the karmic.

If it is not an issue as far as the Law of One is concerned, then I shall move on focus my energies elsewhere.

(06-23-2013, 10:37 AM)caycegal Wrote: I am wondering if the transition to 4D is changing the needs of my body. The less meat I eat, the better I feel and the healthier I am.

(06-23-2013, 10:37 AM)caycegal Wrote: I don't abstain from meat byproducts such as gelatin, Carnosine, Carnitine, eggs, yogurt. They don't seem to bother me - just the meat (even fish and fowl) itself.

Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Then, after 29 years of being vegetarian ...

(06-23-2013, 01:22 PM)Guenivere Wrote: Ah, I have so much more to say, I should walk away soon.

(06-23-2013, 02:14 PM)plenum Wrote:

Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Then, after 29 years of being vegetarian ...

makes a <shocked face>

29 years? 29 years!!

(06-23-2013, 02:16 PM)MarcRammer Wrote: Chicken, nutrition takes some planning and a bit of research. Meat is simply not necessary for health and has quite the opposite effects on the body. My transition to veganism was a little hard at first, but I knew my higher self was guiding to it. My typical diet looks like this on any given day:

Breakfast: Warm lemon water and fresh green smoothie (greens/fruit/seeds or nuts)
Snack: Two pieces of fruit for snack and/or whole wheat peanut butter and raw honey sandwich
Lunch: two pieces of fruit and a vegan burrito/brown rice pilaf/or Asian noodle dish
Snack: two more serving of fruit
Dinner: cooked veggies with some type of starchy grain or potatoes to fill me up and more fruit. (If you don't use a ton of greens in your smoothie have a big salad here [I'm not a big fan of salads so I get my greens in from my smoothies])
Snack: fruit or corn chips with salsa

95% of my food intake is organic, about 50% is raw, and it is mostly all whole foods with no processed foods, I know where most of my food comes from via local CSA type service, and I make most all dishes from scratch to avoid any HFCS, sugar, or any other pesky additives.

I eat a simple but very very tasty diet. Eat as much fruit as you'd like!

Good luck on your dietary journey!

Quote:We should all create a commune and grow our own food!

(06-23-2013, 05:32 PM)Guenivere Wrote:

Quote:We should all create a commune and grow our own food!

I've already sold my hubby on the location as Peru as soon as he's a successful writer.

My in-laws got us a little Magic Bullet processor for Christmas, it's been WONDERFUL!

One of the staples we have is fairly easy, I'll share the recipe, it can be altered to suit anything!

Portabella Mushroom Pasta
3-4 sliced baby bella mushrooms
3-4 chopped baby bella mushrooms (medium sized so give or take on both)
4-5 (to taste) cloves chopped garlic
1-2 roma tomatoes
A few handfuls of spinach
3~ tablespoons olive oil
1/2lb noodles (I use angel hair/capellini)
Salt and pepper

Heat up olive oil in a saucepan, add sliced mushrooms. Follow with processed mushrooms (puree in food processor) and chopped garlic - give it a few minutes, then add the tomato. Hopefully at this point your water is boiling for your pasta so cook it for the shorter end of the duration (I do angel hair 6 mins capellini 2) and then I add the spinach to the saucepan, then add about a cup of pasta water and the noodles to finish them off in the pan with all the veggies and olive oil. Generous salt and pepper make this delicious. If you keep white wine in the house, I'd encourage using that as well. Serves 2, takes about 20 minutes of prep and cooking! Really just about all the veggies are interchangeable. I've made it with only the mushrooms, with kale instead of spinach, etc.

I feel like I have a bit of an advantage because I do enjoy cooking most of the time. However, I am also lazy, so unless I feel really motivated, I try to keep prep time for most meals 20 minutes or less. Search engines are also your friend - if I have limited ingredients and desire something, there's a recipe out there to utilize what I've got and make it yummy.

(06-23-2013, 04:45 PM)caycegal Wrote: We searched for unpasteurized sauerkraut because I figured when it gets canned or bottled they heat it up enough that it loses the natural fermentation that's so good for you. Finally found it in Whole Foods deli dept. Not too expensive, either.

(06-23-2013, 04:45 PM)caycegal Wrote: We use the chopped salad just like a sandwich spread on any kind of whole grain bread or toast or pita.

(06-23-2013, 04:45 PM)caycegal Wrote: Guess I should have posted this in that other thread, Monica!

(06-23-2013, 04:45 PM)caycegal Wrote: We should all create a commune and grow our own food!

(06-23-2013, 08:31 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Cool! Most 'pickled' foods are actually made with vinegar and aren't really fermented. Actual fermented foods are very healthy!

Did you know it's very easy to make your own? I make my own sauerkraut now.

Quote:Questioner: (Inaudible) I belong to a group (inaudible) this afternoon we saw a movie on (inaudible) was called The Long Search (inaudible) religious trend (inaudible) Indonesia, where these people are making animal sacrifices, eating meat, etc. etc. But these people are very innocent beings, not insidious or calculating, (inaudible) say of people in our culture (inaudible). I wonder, is it very necessary if you aspire to spiritual truth to be a vegetarian and not be kind of a meat (inaudible)?

We are aware of your question, my sister. It is a clear question and we can answer it, however, the answer is not as simple as the question. It is written in your holy books and truthfully that to some eating certain items is very necessary and would be harmful to them did they deviate; to others, anything maybe eaten. It is, you see, a function of the mind. As to the spiritual consequences of eating, you must understand that your bodies are a basic system of electromagnetic fields and they do not function as you believe that they function, but rather because of thought.

Thus, what you think controls a great deal of what you feel and how your body reacts. In general, it is safe to say that if a person feels a calling to become vegetarian, that is precisely what that person should do and will indeed help that person, because that is what that person feels that he shall do. It is as simple as that. Each person will have a different calling. Not all shall be vegetarians and not all shall be meat-eaters. It is totally a matter of your spiritual set, which is part of a thought nexus or system of thinking which you have developed over many lifetimes, giving you certain biases. In other words, you may have spent time in other bodies which were used to a vegetarian diet and thus find yourself in this incarnation quite unable to tolerate or digest the rich diet of your culture. Others find no problem in doing so whatsoever. Thus, the truth simply is it is not that which goes into a man that shows his nature, but rather what comes from him in the way of thoughts, words and deeds.

Can we answer your question further?

(07-22-2013, 05:22 AM)Lycen Wrote: Came upon this in the L/L Research Transcripts, I found it enriching (then remembered this thread), perhaps others will find some food for thought as well .D

November 18, 1979

Quote:Questioner: (Inaudible) I belong to a group (inaudible) this afternoon we saw a movie on (inaudible) was called The Long Search (inaudible) religious trend (inaudible) Indonesia, where these people are making animal sacrifices, eating meat, etc. etc. But these people are very innocent beings, not insidious or calculating, (inaudible) say of people in our culture (inaudible). I wonder, is it very necessary if you aspire to spiritual truth to be a vegetarian and not be kind of a meat (inaudible)?

We are aware of your question, my sister. It is a clear question and we can answer it, however, the answer is not as simple as the question. It is written in your holy books and truthfully that to some eating certain items is very necessary and would be harmful to them did they deviate; to others, anything maybe eaten. It is, you see, a function of the mind. As to the spiritual consequences of eating, you must understand that your bodies are a basic system of electromagnetic fields and they do not function as you believe that they function, but rather because of thought.

Thus, what you think controls a great deal of what you feel and how your body reacts. In general, it is safe to say that if a person feels a calling to become vegetarian, that is precisely what that person should do and will indeed help that person, because that is what that person feels that he shall do. It is as simple as that. Each person will have a different calling. Not all shall be vegetarians and not all shall be meat-eaters. It is totally a matter of your spiritual set, which is part of a thought nexus or system of thinking which you have developed over many lifetimes, giving you certain biases. In other words, you may have spent time in other bodies which were used to a vegetarian diet and thus find yourself in this incarnation quite unable to tolerate or digest the rich diet of your culture. Others find no problem in doing so whatsoever. Thus, the truth simply is it is not that which goes into a man that shows his nature, but rather what comes from him in the way of thoughts, words and deeds.

Can we answer your question further?

(07-18-2013, 12:17 PM)MarcRammer Wrote: Now that I'm leaving my job at Starbucks, there has been a wave of people going vegetarian. I've been able to help give advice and inspire people to go vegetarian. I never pushed anyone to be it but it seems my vibration and testimony spoke to them and effected them to embrace their compassionate side. Yay!

Quote:Saturday Meditation

October 16, 2010

Jim: The question this evening, Q’uo, [from G], is, “Few systems of thought confer as much responsibility on the individual entity as the Law of One does. In that philosophy, the individual is completely responsible for its own choices and its experience no matter how uninformed these choices and its viewpoint may be. It is in that vein that we wish to examine the concept of responsibility through both the general and focused lens. In general, to what extent is the positively-oriented entity responsible for indirectly participating in activities which result in pain and suffering for others? There are many specific ways to approach the basic underlying principle of responsibility, including purchasing gasoline, using products which harm the environment, supporting or not resisting governments which funnel the energy of their people into nefarious ends, etc.

We would like to select one particular instance of this principle for our focus. It is understood among many spiritual seekers that except in cases of humane slaughter our second-density friends are routinely mistreated and abused in the process of converting their physical bodies into our meat foodstuffs. Specifically then, to what extent is the positively-oriented entity responsible for the suffering of second-density creatures when purchasing and consuming the meat of these animals?

(Carla channeling)

We are those of the principle of Q’uo. Greetings in the love and in the light of the one infinite Creator, in whose service we come to you this evening. It is a pleasure and a privilege to be called to this group and to be a part of this circle of seeking. We are delighted to speak with you about responsibility....

And in each density, each experience, each day and each hour, you are responsible for yourself, for your choices, for your intentions and for your desires....

You asked specifically about the responsibility that you have for what you eat. For those who have not yet conceived of the possibility of choices in this area, their responsibility is minimal. One cannot make choices if one is ignorant of the choices. Therefore, the question that you asked is on behalf of those who have awakened to the fact that all is one. You are one with the clouds and the rain, the fire that warms the hearth, the water within your body and in all of the bodies of water within the planet.

You are one with the birds, the animals, flowers, plants, rocks, each other and the Creator.

There is only one thing in the universe and that is love.

Indeed, you are seeking at this time to reduce the level of distortion in your thinking so that you may become more and more aware of that consciousness that lies closer to you than breathing, nearer than your hands and feet: the consciousness of unconditional love that is your true nature.

Now, how shall an entity whose consciousness is that of pure love feed its body? We notice that you focus upon meat and the eating of it as the arena of choice. And before we address that question we would note that not only the animals but the plants also are growing within the creation of the Father, blooming and dying at a rhythm of their own. In a very real way, it is as much of an offense, one may say, to pluck a bean or dig a potato from the ground as it is to slaughter an animal, for you have interrupted the cycle of its life and its dancing with the Creator as you do so. But to focus upon this is to digress from your query. And so we would focus upon the slaughter of animals and the responsibility that an entity has if he chooses to eat meat.

One valid choice that many of those who have awakened have made is not to eat meat and to find ways to furnish the body with the protein that meat offers by eating other substances, such as legumes, which contain protein. [1]

Another choice that an awakened entity has, as the questioner said, is to move to the purchase only of meats that have been humanely slaughtered. There are two sources of such meats that are generally available to entities within a reasonable amount of distance from where they live. One is to seek out a kosher store [2] which sells meat, knowing that the priests of that religion have treated animals well and have slaughtered them in a sacred ritual which is taken most seriously by those priests.

The other is to find a biodynamic source where the same feeling of sacredness surrounds the appreciation of mammals while they live and the humane slaughter of them when it is time for them to feed their humans.

And as the one known as J said, barring those choices, there is always the metaphysically correct choice of relating to the animal in that timeless condition which is called “metaphysical time” wherein all things occur simultaneously, so that you are able to contact any animal, before you eat it, no matter how abused or how slaughtered. And as you contact this animal, you express your love of this animal and your appreciation for all that the animal has gone through in order to give you its energy, its consciousness, such as it is, and its love, which is very real. So, in praise, prayer and thanksgiving you heal the division between you and the meat and the animal from which that meat came.

And as you do this to your meat, dancing with the meat, becoming one with the meat, you are in effect lifting that energy to the infinite Creator, blessing it and healing all that has gone before, for the animal and for you.

Indeed, we would note that it is not only the eating of meat, but every single action undertaken by you, no matter how humble or small, that has the capability and potentiality of becoming sacred, so that you at all times are giving thanks, offering praise, and opening to the experiences that have been given to you to walk in.

Quote:UPDATE (June 30, 2011): Farm Forward has verified that the Israeli chief rabbinate has not followed up on its promise to stop certifying as kosher meat from animals killed using the painful shackle and hoist method in South American slaughterhouses. We alerted Israeli activists to this lack of progress last month, resulting in this article in the premier Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. “The horrible deaths received by animals in these South American slaughterhouses is the most egregious animal welfare problem in kosher slaughter today,” explains Farm Forward founder Aaron Gross. Farm Forward remains committed to working with the vast majority of American and Israeli Jews who, in the best spirit of the Abrahamic religions’ tradition of compassion for animals, want to see this cruelty ended. Gross continues, “Farm Forward has a special commitment to working with religious communities of all kinds that want to address the problems of factory farming in ways specific to each community. Factory farming is not an ethical problem relevant only to secular society. It is a problem for any person of faith who believes animals are more than mere things.”

UPDATE (June 23, 2010): Roughly a month after the release of PETA's undercover investigation, Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger announced that starting in 2011 he will no longer certify as kosher animals killed in slaughterhouses that use the widely condemned "shackle and hoist" slaughter method. Today roughly 80% of Israel's kosher meat imports come from South American slaughterhouses that use shackle and hoist. The same slaughterhouses presently supply the majority of America's kosher beef as well. Farm Forward commends the Chief Rabbi on his decision and is cautiously optimistic that the tremendous pressure his actions have created will lead to the end of shackle and hoist in kosher slaughter globally. We will continue our diplomatic efforts to end shackle and hoist until we can report that the practice has stopped.

(07-26-2013, 01:46 PM)xise Wrote: Here's a Q'uo Channeling from 2010 on the subject:

Quote:Saturday Meditation

October 16, 2010

Jim: The question this evening, Q’uo, [from G], is, “Few systems of thought confer as much responsibility on the individual entity as the Law of One does. In that philosophy, the individual is completely responsible for its own choices and its experience no matter how uninformed these choices and its viewpoint may be. It is in that vein that we wish to examine the concept of responsibility through both the general and focused lens. In general, to what extent is the positively-oriented entity responsible for indirectly participating in activities which result in pain and suffering for others? There are many specific ways to approach the basic underlying principle of responsibility, including purchasing gasoline, using products which harm the environment, supporting or not resisting governments which funnel the energy of their people into nefarious ends, etc.

We would like to select one particular instance of this principle for our focus. It is understood among many spiritual seekers that except in cases of humane slaughter our second-density friends are routinely mistreated and abused in the process of converting their physical bodies into our meat foodstuffs. Specifically then, to what extent is the positively-oriented entity responsible for the suffering of second-density creatures when purchasing and consuming the meat of these animals?

(Carla channeling)

We are those of the principle of Q’uo. Greetings in the love and in the light of the one infinite Creator, in whose service we come to you this evening. It is a pleasure and a privilege to be called to this group and to be a part of this circle of seeking. We are delighted to speak with you about responsibility....

And in each density, each experience, each day and each hour, you are responsible for yourself, for your choices, for your intentions and for your desires....

You asked specifically about the responsibility that you have for what you eat. For those who have not yet conceived of the possibility of choices in this area, their responsibility is minimal. One cannot make choices if one is ignorant of the choices. Therefore, the question that you asked is on behalf of those who have awakened to the fact that all is one. You are one with the clouds and the rain, the fire that warms the hearth, the water within your body and in all of the bodies of water within the planet.

You are one with the birds, the animals, flowers, plants, rocks, each other and the Creator.

There is only one thing in the universe and that is love.

Indeed, you are seeking at this time to reduce the level of distortion in your thinking so that you may become more and more aware of that consciousness that lies closer to you than breathing, nearer than your hands and feet: the consciousness of unconditional love that is your true nature.

Now, how shall an entity whose consciousness is that of pure love feed its body? We notice that you focus upon meat and the eating of it as the arena of choice. And before we address that question we would note that not only the animals but the plants also are growing within the creation of the Father, blooming and dying at a rhythm of their own. In a very real way, it is as much of an offense, one may say, to pluck a bean or dig a potato from the ground as it is to slaughter an animal, for you have interrupted the cycle of its life and its dancing with the Creator as you do so. But to focus upon this is to digress from your query. And so we would focus upon the slaughter of animals and the responsibility that an entity has if he chooses to eat meat.

One valid choice that many of those who have awakened have made is not to eat meat and to find ways to furnish the body with the protein that meat offers by eating other substances, such as legumes, which contain protein. [1]

Another choice that an awakened entity has, as the questioner said, is to move to the purchase only of meats that have been humanely slaughtered. There are two sources of such meats that are generally available to entities within a reasonable amount of distance from where they live. One is to seek out a kosher store [2] which sells meat, knowing that the priests of that religion have treated animals well and have slaughtered them in a sacred ritual which is taken most seriously by those priests.

The other is to find a biodynamic source where the same feeling of sacredness surrounds the appreciation of mammals while they live and the humane slaughter of them when it is time for them to feed their humans.

And as the one known as J said, barring those choices, there is always the metaphysically correct choice of relating to the animal in that timeless condition which is called “metaphysical time” wherein all things occur simultaneously, so that you are able to contact any animal, before you eat it, no matter how abused or how slaughtered. And as you contact this animal, you express your love of this animal and your appreciation for all that the animal has gone through in order to give you its energy, its consciousness, such as it is, and its love, which is very real. So, in praise, prayer and thanksgiving you heal the division between you and the meat and the animal from which that meat came.

And as you do this to your meat, dancing with the meat, becoming one with the meat, you are in effect lifting that energy to the infinite Creator, blessing it and healing all that has gone before, for the animal and for you.

Indeed, we would note that it is not only the eating of meat, but every single action undertaken by you, no matter how humble or small, that has the capability and potentiality of becoming sacred, so that you at all times are giving thanks, offering praise, and opening to the experiences that have been given to you to walk in.

---

That being said, you gotta do research about your kosher meat as well: http://www.farmforward.com/features/kosher_investigation

Quote:UPDATE (June 30, 2011): Farm Forward has verified that the Israeli chief rabbinate has not followed up on its promise to stop certifying as kosher meat from animals killed using the painful shackle and hoist method in South American slaughterhouses. We alerted Israeli activists to this lack of progress last month, resulting in this article in the premier Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. “The horrible deaths received by animals in these South American slaughterhouses is the most egregious animal welfare problem in kosher slaughter today,” explains Farm Forward founder Aaron Gross. Farm Forward remains committed to working with the vast majority of American and Israeli Jews who, in the best spirit of the Abrahamic religions’ tradition of compassion for animals, want to see this cruelty ended. Gross continues, “Farm Forward has a special commitment to working with religious communities of all kinds that want to address the problems of factory farming in ways specific to each community. Factory farming is not an ethical problem relevant only to secular society. It is a problem for any person of faith who believes animals are more than mere things.”

UPDATE (June 23, 2010): Roughly a month after the release of PETA's undercover investigation, Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger announced that starting in 2011 he will no longer certify as kosher animals killed in slaughterhouses that use the widely condemned "shackle and hoist" slaughter method. Today roughly 80% of Israel's kosher meat imports come from South American slaughterhouses that use shackle and hoist. The same slaughterhouses presently supply the majority of America's kosher beef as well. Farm Forward commends the Chief Rabbi on his decision and is cautiously optimistic that the tremendous pressure his actions have created will lead to the end of shackle and hoist in kosher slaughter globally. We will continue our diplomatic efforts to end shackle and hoist until we can report that the practice has stopped.