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RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 02:34 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:30 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:28 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:27 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:25 PM)Minyatur Wrote: How essential is visualization in the mind's eye? I have no ability in that domain.
Can you imagine something specific like say a red triangle?
Nope and I've been trying for a few years now, most people I know think of it as weird except those like me (which are rare).
You know what a red triangle looks like though, right? You could draw one from your mind, yes?
I can take a red pen and draw a red triangle on a piece of paper, not within my mind. When I draw I usually erase a lot because I don't have a mental image of what I'm drawing though.
My mind works more with abstract formless concepts, hard to explain. (I've tried with a few people)
But you know what it is that you want to draw. This is what is actually important. Getting a 'visual' is just a tool of perception. What is important is the ability to hold the mind upon a specified programming. The visualization acts as an anchor for the programming but the visual itself isn't all that important, knowing what your focus is is.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
For example in LBRP it's less important to have a visual of the archangels than to feel their presence and that their powers are truly present.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 02:37 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:34 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:30 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:28 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:27 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Can you imagine something specific like say a red triangle?
Nope and I've been trying for a few years now, most people I know think of it as weird except those like me (which are rare).
You know what a red triangle looks like though, right? You could draw one from your mind, yes?
I can take a red pen and draw a red triangle on a piece of paper, not within my mind. When I draw I usually erase a lot because I don't have a mental image of what I'm drawing though.
My mind works more with abstract formless concepts, hard to explain. (I've tried with a few people)
But you know what it is that you want to draw. This is what is actually important. Getting a 'visual' is just a tool of perception. What is important is the ability to hold the mind upon a specified programming. The visualization acts as an anchor for the programming but the visual itself isn't all that important, knowing what your focus is is.
Well in case of a drawing, what will suck are my proportions when trying to draw, which is why I erase a lot. Within my mind I can still create a concept of thoughts and have an intuitive impression of how it'll be. I'll know I'll want this next to this next to this, under this, etc. I won't be aware of the final product until I try to materialize it in a form outside my mind. As I said abstract thoughts is a good description of it.
I never thought it'd disminish my potential, but I've read in some places it does. It's hard to work out a visual feedback through training when you can't get anything whatsoever.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 02:40 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: For example in LBRP it's less important to have a visual of the archangels than to feel their presence and that their powers are truly present.
For the LBRP, I didn't like to idea of connecting to something... it feels awkward.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
Ah, okay, so try this, try to visualize a triangle outside your mind. Like imagine a triangle in the space in front of you or on a desk, like your eyes are a projector.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 02:45 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:40 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: For example in LBRP it's less important to have a visual of the archangels than to feel their presence and that their powers are truly present.
For the LBRP, I didn't like to idea of connecting to something... it feels awkward.
Took me a long time to get over my lone wolf syndrome too. They are still more 'energy' than they are entities for me, but they become more real with each practice. White magic is built on relationships and allyship.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 02:48 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:45 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:40 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: For example in LBRP it's less important to have a visual of the archangels than to feel their presence and that their powers are truly present.
For the LBRP, I didn't like to idea of connecting to something... it feels awkward.
Took me a long time to get over my lone wolf syndrome too. They are still more 'energy' than they are entities for me, but they become more real with each practice. White magic is built on relationships and allyship.
I think it's typical of STS entities to want to do everything through their own power. I guess that's something I need to work on.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 02:48 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:48 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:45 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:40 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: For example in LBRP it's less important to have a visual of the archangels than to feel their presence and that their powers are truly present.
For the LBRP, I didn't like to idea of connecting to something... it feels awkward.
Took me a long time to get over my lone wolf syndrome too. They are still more 'energy' than they are entities for me, but they become more real with each practice. White magic is built on relationships and allyship.
I think it's typical of STS entities to want to do everything through their own power. I guess that's something I need to work on.
Funny how they want to do everything through their own power but lack the power to be vulnerable to other selves.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 02:46 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Ah, okay, so try this, try to visualize a triangle outside your mind. Like imagine a triangle in the space in front of you or on a desk, like your eyes are a projector.
I can think in some way of the shape but not of a color. And the shape is not set in stone since I don't see anything, it's like I have to constantly re-create the thought.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 02:50 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:46 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Ah, okay, so try this, try to visualize a triangle outside your mind. Like imagine a triangle in the space in front of you or on a desk, like your eyes are a projector.
I can think in some way of the shape but not of a color. And the shape is not set in stone since I don't see anything, it's like I have to constantly re-create the thought.
Try practicing constantly recreating the thought, just keep recreating it and tracing it over and over. Don't worry about seeing it, just focusing on the same thought-form.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
One thing that can help is to trace the form with your eyes.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 02:54 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:50 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:46 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Ah, okay, so try this, try to visualize a triangle outside your mind. Like imagine a triangle in the space in front of you or on a desk, like your eyes are a projector.
I can think in some way of the shape but not of a color. And the shape is not set in stone since I don't see anything, it's like I have to constantly re-create the thought.
Try practicing constantly recreating the thought, just keep recreating it and tracing it over and over. Don't worry about seeing it, just focusing on the same thought-form.
I can't keep a definite shape, it's like ever changing. After some time it's like I can't even think of a triangle anymore, more like just an area in front of me.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 02:56 PM)Minyatur Wrote:Keep practicing with just one thought-form like the triangle or a circle. Just try and keep trying it, I think you may notice some changes over time. That's actually normal.(06-06-2015, 02:54 PM)Tan.rar Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:50 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(06-06-2015, 02:46 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: Ah, okay, so try this, try to visualize a triangle outside your mind. Like imagine a triangle in the space in front of you or on a desk, like your eyes are a projector.
I can think in some way of the shape but not of a color. And the shape is not set in stone since I don't see anything, it's like I have to constantly re-create the thought.
Try practicing constantly recreating the thought, just keep recreating it and tracing it over and over. Don't worry about seeing it, just focusing on the same thought-form.
I can't keep a definite shape, it's like ever changing.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
The eye tracing helps to keep you focused on the shape.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
The worst part is that I did practice visualization on magic mushrooms some time ago. After the trip if I smoked weed I could mentally visualize for exemple a globe of planet earth and turn it around within my mind but the ability faded in about two weeks and I was back to not being able to do anything.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
I think it's just a veil thing. I think you do have the ability, it is just not conscious.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 03:00 PM)Tan.rar Wrote: I think it's just a veil thing. I think you do have the ability, it is just not conscious.
That's how it felt on the magic mushroom trip, I just extended my mind to being able to do it.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
Anyway I'm going to practice this in the next few days to see if I can get somewhere.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
I think the biggest inhibitor to any kind of mental or spiritual practice is the expectation of results. The best is to take the position of the fool, innocent and with wonder.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
I think part of the reason I have so much problem with this, is that I am stuck into a linear thinking.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
What do you mean?
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
matrix_drumr tried to make me visualize advanced things like a forest for exemple, but it's as if in my mind I would try to create each pixel of the forest rather than thinking of a forest as a whole.
There's usually two ways people think, in a linear thinking where it goes from a to b to c to d... or in a circular thinking where you simply do see the whole picture at once.
I've always sucked at games like Boggle because I need to take a leter and try to work everything around it then go on to another letter whereas other people simply perceive the words emerging from it.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
Oh, another note to VanAlioSado is that one of the key things about ritual magic, especially LBRP is that it actually engages and uses energy from all the centers. It engages the entirety of one's being at once.
It may also help to see yourself as the Creator during the speaking and performance of the rituals. Thus when you say 'Eheieh' you are saying 'I Am' and declaring that as the Creator.
The practice of 'backing in to the tree' may also help you. In this you basically would look at the Tree of Life and imagine you are within it looking out, as though looking at yourself whom is viewing the image. The idea is to basically put yourself in the position of the co-Creator.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Adamtree.jpg/220px-Adamtree.jpg
You would see yourself like this but then see what you would normally call the 'left' of the tree is actually the right side of the individual. This is call 'the reverse tree' and is part of a way of signifying how everything contains its opposite, yin and yang. Another purpose is that when you do this you can then imagine how the energy is moving from center to center since the Sephiroth are considered to be actually spheres or centers in the aura.
http://hermetic.com/caduceus/articles/2/4/the-tree-of-life-projected-in-the-third-dimension.html
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
(06-06-2015, 03:12 PM)Minyatur Wrote: matrix_drumr tried to make me visualize advanced things like a forest for exemple, but it's as if in my mind I would try to create each pixel of the forest rather than thinking of a forest as a whole.
There's usually two ways people think, in a linear thinking where it goes from a to b to c to d... or in a circular thinking where you simply do see the whole picture at once.
I've always sucked at games like Boggle because I need to take a leter try to work everything around it then go on to another letter whereas other people simply perceive the words emerging from it.
So you need to put the forest in the pixel. Everything is already there at A (aleph he he).
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
When I get from a to b to c and to d, when I'm at d the a,b,c already faded. That's a bit how my mind works.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
I think it's that I try to create it too much consciously rather than working with the subconscious mind.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
Like I said, you've gotta style it so that when you start at A, you're done. I actually have a linear way of thinking too but I have developed methods accommodating it while enabling me to utilize a whole based way of thinking. Now I can do both.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
As you say, the whole thing is already complete and whole in your subconscious. You just have to 'receive' it.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Minyatur - 06-06-2015
I think you've given me clues as to how to work on this. I had pretty much given up.
RE: The Vibratory Formulae - Aion - 06-06-2015
When the student/teacher is ready, the teacher/student appears!