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RE: What is is Oneness. - Confused - 06-28-2014
(06-26-2014, 04:46 PM)nio Wrote:(06-26-2014, 10:20 AM)Confused Wrote: In a way, reading about the underlying paradox depicted here in beautiful expression made for an inherently sad and melancholic insight.
Yes in unity (oneness) there lies infinity, (oneness beyond time and space) simultaneously.
What a head throbbing concept!
To put it more clearly, I was actually pained to realize that the origin of infinite creation itself, apparently, is an act that was seeded in selfishness, in terms of the One Infinite Creator experimenting with infinite entities to learn about itself. I intensely feel sad at the difficult logical extension that infinite creation could be like a vivarium by which behaviours and possibilities are observed by beings up the hierarchy, the framework designers if you will, with the mysterious One Infinite Creator up at the very top, absorbing and learning in a cold manner from everything spawned.
Even if it is the One Infinite Creator, I do not like the fact that I have to labour in darkness and in pain for that mysterious entity, who may not even care in terms of individual entities, with only the collective distillations mattering. But of course, there is no other choice. The existence of that logical possibility is at the very core of my being's pain, after realizing that insight (from Jim) within the context of personal subjective understandings, as well.
Quote:18.13 Questioner: Thank you. A most important point to my way of thinking.
You mentioned that there were a number of Confederations. Do all serve the Infinite Creator in basically the same way, or do some specialize in some particular types of service?
Ra: I am Ra. All serve the One Creator. There is nothing else to serve, for the Creator is all that there is. It is impossible not to serve the Creator. There are simply various distortions of this service.
As in the Confederation which works with your peoples, each Confederation is a group of specialized individual social memory complexes, each doing that which it expresses to bring into manifestation.
RE: What is is Oneness. - Anchor - 07-16-2014
Any objection if I bump this topic?
I was reading some of the older archives, in particular this one which struck me from L/Leema (http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1985/1985_0602.aspx)
This quote from the discourse given struck me as extremely profound and seemed to be a useful way to approach the "paradox" talked about earlier in this thread - and I underlined the part that makes it clearer (at least to me.. ).
"Those of the positive polarity are of service when by action or thought or even intention, another entity or the self is freer to seek his or her own path than before the intended service was performed."
Suggests to me that service can be for the self and still have the effect of being service to others.
RE: What is is Oneness. - Adonai One - 07-16-2014
I think the concept of service-to-self being any type of self-satisfaction is a distortion from its intended meaning.
RE: What is is Oneness. - Jeremy - 07-17-2014
(07-16-2014, 04:33 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I think the concept of service-to-self being any type of self-satisfaction is a distortion from its intended meaning.
I agree and it's one of the many misinterpretations of STS and one reason why I try not to focus upon STO and STS stuff. To be truly STS in your actions, it would mean that you are purposefully manipulating an other self in order to attain something for ones self. Simply doing something that brings one join when it may not necessarily benefit another isn't self serving to the point of STS because no harm was brought upon an other self. Even confederation members reiterated the need for those leisures that make one happy.
I think of it as a recharge of your light so to speak. When one basks in those joyous moments that brings a smile to ones face, they will no doubt radiate that light and love that was created by such a joyous experience.
RE: What is is Oneness. - AnthroHeart - 04-16-2018
I think oneness consciousness happens when you get a certain "distance" from Creator. It is unity consciousness.
In my meditations lately, I am allowing myself to sort of "dissolve" back into the Field of the Allness, and return to oneness.
I am also allowing myself to expand my consciousness along the way.
In a way, it is giving up attachment to my identity.
It is what I have felt guided to do lately. To merge back with the Field of pure Love/Light.
By this, I allow All That Is to simply be as it will be.
RE: What is is Oneness. - flofrog - 04-16-2018
Indigo, I love what you are saying about your meditations, very much close to what I am getting these days.
About unity, something curious happened to me a few years ago. I was on a freeway out of los angeles to go watch a Canadian movie in Pasadena, which was The Barbarian Invasions, wonderful film by the way. It was end of morning beautiful weather, driving with no traffic and I was sending love to the trees and rocks along the freeway cause I am a sap. At one point I knew that I f I turned my head around, while driving, but there was very little traffic (!!) I would see downtown LA between two hills, so I turned and did see downtown but also far back behind it, to the ocean as it was such a clear day, and I had never seen that far back there ever.
And suddenly I turned back and everything melted for a few seconds I was the palm tree on my right, and the tar stain on the white freeway which was like pure love, and everything, everything, and it all appeared so simple and evident that I was hit with a huge, huge laugh. I kept on driving and slowly everything became normal again and then the next few days I was like walking on a cloud.
I just thought if this was a short enlightenment for me, and on a freeway what's more, everyone can have it cause obviously I still have such a long way to go anyway..
And if this is oneness as it felt, then it is incredibly funny and joyous... lol
RE: What is is Oneness. - AnthroHeart - 04-17-2018
Then I realize it is not me that is dissolving into oneness.
There is no me.
When I got past this mental block, I became free.
RE: What is is Oneness. - Minyatur - 04-17-2018
(04-17-2018, 12:00 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Then I realize it is not me that is dissolving into oneness.
There is no me.
When I got past this mental block, I became free.
Oneness is what you are, there is a you.
You can't really dissolve into oneness either, that'd make something apart from oneness and thus invalidate that there is oneness.
RE: What is is Oneness. - AnthroHeart - 04-17-2018
(04-17-2018, 07:00 PM)Elros Wrote:(04-17-2018, 12:00 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Then I realize it is not me that is dissolving into oneness.
There is no me.
When I got past this mental block, I became free.
Oneness is what you are, there is a you.
You can't really dissolve into oneness either, that'd make something apart from oneness and thus invalidate that there is oneness.
Well, by letting go and taking that mindset, it is doing something.
I feel more sensitive to the Field than before.
Yes, I realize I am oneness. I am just not consciously aware of it now. I still feel separation.
I always have these goals I would like to achieve. Something to keep me going.
Thanks for the input. It really makes me think.
RE: What is is Oneness. - isis - 04-17-2018
i miss crala
RE: What is is Oneness. - Infinite Unity - 05-04-2018
(04-17-2018, 12:00 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Then I realize it is not me that is dissolving into oneness.
There is no me.
When I got past this mental block, I became free.
Exactly a me or self is an tool of intelligence by which The Will always revolving, brings into, what it desires.\
I think of it kinda funny that a lot of paradigms constrict themselves to the thought, that the creator can magically just do whatever....When all experiences point in an opposite understanding for me. This is not magical wonderland, the term sacramental nature of all things. To me clearly define such as well.
Its more then just learning in a cold room. The Creator actually is an culmination of all us, literally, in my opinion. I don't think the creator is a static unmoving thing. I believe it moves, evolves, and experiences in an way that cannot be understood. Yet relationships reveal that it exists. As above so below. The Creator in an relative form, is comparable to our own existence.
The pain and suffering is an intelligent variable, that brings about the desire of The Will. To me The Creator desires Love. symptoms, tools, or focuses of Its Will, bring about what The Will desires.
I personally think The Creator had an experience in which The Original Thought which could be as likely named the The Original Memory. Transformed his own Intelligence, in that it could imagine beyond the bounds of singularity. Or begin to imagine concepts of manyness. Such as what we think of as Math, communication, limitation derived from variables. In other words The Creator had an spontaneous realization. A symptom or phenomenon of this event was The Big Bang I believe.
RE: What is is Oneness. - AnthroHeart - 05-04-2018
For some reason I'm not really comprehending what you're saying. I tend not to be conscious enough to know what's going on.
Or may just be lazy minded.
Then I get little bits of insight, but they are so varied.
I think when you say "all of us" you also mean every rock and atom too. And the Field itself out of which everything manifests.
Yes, the previous Octave is probably a memory to the Creator.
Before the Big Bang there was supposedly no time, so it's hard to imagine how things exist outside of time.
RE: What is is Oneness. - AnthroHeart - 05-04-2018
I see what you did there isis.
What is, is oneness.
Oneness is what is.
RE: What is is Oneness. - Stranger - 05-05-2018
(06-28-2014, 01:41 AM)Confused Wrote: To put it more clearly, I was actually pained to realize that the origin of infinite creation itself, apparently, is an act that was seeded in selfishness, in terms of the One Infinite Creator experimenting with infinite entities to learn about itself. I intensely feel sad at the difficult logical extension that infinite creation could be like a vivarium by which behaviours and possibilities are observed by beings up the hierarchy, the framework designers if you will, with the mysterious One Infinite Creator up at the very top, absorbing and learning in a cold manner from everything spawned.
Even if it is the One Infinite Creator, I do not like the fact that I have to labour in darkness and in pain for that mysterious entity, who may not even care in terms of individual entities, with only the collective distillations mattering. But of course, there is no other choice. The existence of that logical possibility is at the very core of my being's pain, after realizing that insight (from Jim) within the context of personal subjective understandings, as well.
Hi. What your interpretation of reality lacks is the comprehension that all is One. There isn't a big mean Creator out there and infinite entities it plays with for its own amusement. There is only the Creator, and you are IT.
I earlier posted a Q'uote that reads: "You are not a part of the Creator. You are the Creator." It is essential to let that sink in.
Every entity is the Creator wearing a mask, playing a temporary game of make-believe. But whatever the shape of the character, it is only the Creator experiencing that character's experience, and acting as if He were that character. You are that Creator, in a state of having freely chosen to very very temporarily forget who He is - even if that meant becoming upset with YourSelf.
Own your choices, bro! There's no one to complain about. It's all just You. Namaste! (this means, "I greet the Divine in you")
RE: What is is Oneness. - Infinite Unity - 05-08-2018
(05-05-2018, 12:14 AM)Stranger Wrote:(06-28-2014, 01:41 AM)Confused Wrote: To put it more clearly, I was actually pained to realize that the origin of infinite creation itself, apparently, is an act that was seeded in selfishness, in terms of the One Infinite Creator experimenting with infinite entities to learn about itself. I intensely feel sad at the difficult logical extension that infinite creation could be like a vivarium by which behaviours and possibilities are observed by beings up the hierarchy, the framework designers if you will, with the mysterious One Infinite Creator up at the very top, absorbing and learning in a cold manner from everything spawned.
Even if it is the One Infinite Creator, I do not like the fact that I have to labour in darkness and in pain for that mysterious entity, who may not even care in terms of individual entities, with only the collective distillations mattering. But of course, there is no other choice. The existence of that logical possibility is at the very core of my being's pain, after realizing that insight (from Jim) within the context of personal subjective understandings, as well.
Hi. What your interpretation of reality lacks is the comprehension that all is One. There isn't a big mean Creator out there and infinite entities it plays with for its own amusement. There is only the Creator, and you are IT.
I earlier posted a Q'uote that reads: "You are not a part of the Creator. You are the Creator." It is essential to let that sink in.
Every entity is the Creator wearing a mask, playing a temporary game of make-believe. But whatever the shape of the character, it is only the Creator experiencing that character's experience, and acting as if He were that character. You are that Creator, in a state of having freely chosen to very very temporarily forget who He is - even if that meant becoming upset with YourSelf.
Own your choices, bro! There's no one to complain about. It's all just You. Namaste! (this means, "I greet the Divine in you")
The Universe is a construct. Were you The Creator, The only Being. Comes to enjoy moving, others, and everything else you could imagine, think of. That you would want to experience. When you are not in This construct, We spend most of our existence fine tuning, and creating/thinking up what we would want to experience. Just as any story you create here, is intrinsicly you. So is this construct representative of your being. As The Object and The Subject, contain The Creator. In essence.
You can never escape who and what you are, you can only redirect pieces, or your will in order to fool yourself in The Construct for so long. The self/life/experience is comparable to a degree of your true self.
Enjoy every little piece you can, suck it all up!!!!!!!!! and LIVEEEEEEEEEEE why you can baby!
RE: What is is Oneness. - Infinite Unity - 07-03-2019
There is a bridge or pathway from unity to Oneness. Imagine all the endless units of unity actually being only aspects/projections/thoughts of Oneness. As if unity is a shadow or illusion of Oneness.
An inherent quality of Unity is the illusion of separation. There is seemingly space between the units, causeated by a difference or contrast, one unit to the other(s). The units(one) see it(themselves) as differentiated from all others. Another word for representing this Hallmark of Unity(within Infinity) is uniqueness.
Oneness is clad, it has no separation.
RE: What is is Oneness. - ttwagneriii - 07-08-2019
OK...according to Ra, the purpose of incarnation is to "seek and become one with the creator" even though the separation is itself an illusion because the infinite creator is ALL things and I or we cannot exist outside of that. Got it.
This path towards spiritual evolution involves the awareness of unity and behaving accordingly. This means treating all as one. The trick is, in order to do this, we need the appearance of individuation to establish a me and a you so that I can come to the conclusion that there is no me and you. Got it.
So, in order to live in accord with the Law of One, I need to polarize towards service to all, which is ultimately service to self because all is one. The implication of polarizing towards something means I am also polarizing away from something else. This means that in order to realize unity, I must operate in duality even though duality is the illusion I am trying to awaken from. Meep.
Duality, then, is just a tool for our growth. Everything other than "me" is a point of reference that I can use for self definition as something I am or am not. The problem is that by fashioning a specific polarized identity from a field of all possible identities as a way to seek unity, I reinforce individuality and therefore duality. Unity will not help me realize unity. Duality will.
It all sounds very confusing and contradictory, but I find comfort with Ra's statement that this "is not a dimension of knowing" (61.9) and that, "The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away."(18.5).
Not so much a paradox resolved as reframed.
RE: What is is Oneness. - flofrog - 07-08-2019
quite elegant ttwagneriii
Dualityserves us well.....