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RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 01-30-2014
Horuseus - "Well it certainly can on it's own" - answered the question, thanks, and I agree with your conclusions. The reason I asked is that clear intuition/guidance/instinct is a tool of the adept (indigo ray - access to infinite intelligence).
Fang - "I'm saying he is a jerk", ZM - "weaselly". These are not statements made form a loving state of being, they can't possibly be thought of as STO thoughts/words, and there are but two choices :¬)
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - xise - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 04:29 PM)Namaste Wrote: Fang - "I'm saying he is a jerk", ZM - "weaselly". These are not statements made form a loving state of being, they can't possibly be thought of as STO thoughts/words, and there are but two choices :¬)
Focusing on labeling actions/words/thoughts as a given polarity I find tends to invite back in judgment (as in judgmental or judgment-condemnation).
What seems to be going on in this thread, at a more basic level, are concepts involving acceptance. I say seem, because this online communication is such a limited form and as they say communication is 80% non-verbal.
That being said, it seems that there is some potential lack of acceptance for David Wilcock (there is a difference between observations with and without emotional charge, but I noticed the same words as Namaste did and to me they seem to imply an emotional charge - likely a lack of acceptance).
Interesting, there seems to be a lack of acceptance by others in this thread of the seemingly lack of acceptance toward DW. If true, it's kind of interesting how that catalyst sometimes isn't so subtle - the same concept is being explored from a multitude of perspectives.
But, without a doubt, everything written in this thread is completely acceptable and as well as quite interesting.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Matt1 - 01-30-2014
I am a big fan of David Wilcock and have both of his new book. I agree with a lot of what he says, hes awesome.
I understand everybody will have there own view points on him, but having followed him and his blog since about 2006 ish i have seen enough good information that i trust what he says and greatly enjoy his new posts on his website
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - ChickenInSpace - 01-30-2014
I'm with Zen and Tanner on the matter, if it matters.
David has a hard time separating himself from possibilities fed to him (Adonai, maybe you have some insights here?) but the message is genuine even if it is not 'true'. True being a very funny device of itself but in this matter he seems to be guided through a couple of possibility vortices willingly, seeing what he would like for a future and life, I don't know what will come out of him in the end and I find this exciting ^^.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - AnthroHeart - 01-30-2014
I've bought David Wilcock's Wanderer Awakening and thoroughly enjoyed it. Gots good music.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 01-30-2014
"Weaselly" - as in copious use of "weasel" words in articles produced. Get over it.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Unbound - 01-30-2014
I mean "the truth" has become an attachment for him, of course, simply from my perspective as an outside observer that is how it appears. It seems as though he is so attached to "the truth" that he attempts to find it in everything. While it is perfectly acceptable in and of itself, his energy feels unrested and not at peace. I believe he is still searching for something that he actually found long ago.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - AnthroHeart - 01-30-2014
I think David Wilcock is restless about where he stands. Always seeking. When we can stop seeking, we can be confident about where we are.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 06:36 PM)zenmaster Wrote: "Weaselly" - as in copious use of "weasel" words in articles produced. Get over it.
Exemplar.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 01-30-2014
Quote: it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.a little nugget for you to consider and possibly digest at some point without choking.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 01-30-2014
There's that charm again.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fang - 01-30-2014
Austin I would agree if he wasn't making his work public lol
Have you seen the new age casualties? C'mon guys this is bigger than individual catalyst.
Quote:without reverting to nasty attitude and name-callingIf that's a hint I get it lol but I'm not angry or despise the dude or anything, as some people here seem to think. I just think he's a jerk, which isn't a name rather a stage of development in my eyes haha. And from where he is at compared to where he seems to think he's at are two different things which can be dangerous for anyone so I'm not a fan of the idea of him being influential.
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RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 08:34 PM)Fang Wrote: It's like people can't post on an issue that others disagree about without being seen as "lacking acceptance"It's an aspect of the mean Green vMeme. Where there is newly discovered work involved in balancing a certain aspect of self, it's like every situation must be framed in that regard in order to frame catalyst for oneself. Ra Material is not exempt from that framing and so terms are inevitably hijacked and corrupted to suit one's ends. As they said "There are few who will grasp, without significant distortion, that which we communicate through this connection with this mind/body/spirit complex."
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 01-30-2014
"how about you accept them as they are if you're so big on it? lol"
Quote:it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.
(01-30-2014, 08:51 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-30-2014, 08:34 PM)Fang Wrote: It's like people can't post on an issue that others disagree about without being seen as "lacking acceptance"It's an aspect of the mean Green vMeme. Where there is newly discovered work involved in balancing a certain aspect of self, it's like every situation must be framed in that regard in order to frame catalyst for oneself. Ra Material is not exempt from that framing and so terms are inevitably hijacked and corrupted to suit one's ends. As they said "There are few who will grasp, without significant distortion, that which we communicate through this connection with this mind/body/spirit complex."
Do you think you are exempt from doing so yourself?
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 09:18 PM)Namaste Wrote: Do you think you are exempt from doing so yourself?No, why?
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 01-30-2014
I couldn't discern if you were implying it was inclusive of all, or directing individually. Rather than assuming, I asked :¬)
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - xise - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 08:51 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-30-2014, 08:34 PM)Fang Wrote: It's like people can't post on an issue that others disagree about without being seen as "lacking acceptance"It's an aspect of the mean Green vMeme. Where there is newly discovered work involved in balancing a certain aspect of self, it's like every situation must be framed in that regard in order to frame catalyst for oneself. Ra Material is not exempt from that framing and so terms are inevitably hijacked and corrupted to suit one's ends. As they said "There are few who will grasp, without significant distortion, that which we communicate through this connection with this mind/body/spirit complex."
An important observation ZM. Disagreement is a healthy, important, and natural part of any interaction with others.
But sometimes things aren't as much as a vMeme issue as they are a simple mis-communication. And it's important to accurate identify mis-communication if indeed it is the root cause, because otherwise, we'll go in circles in interactions with others without understanding all the factors that are involved in interpersonal communication.
Kind of like how you see happen on the forum over and over again - someone posts something using language to refer to a certain idea, and then someone else posts in response with a different understanding based on the same language. For example, in my personal experience, I've used the word "judgment" and the word "mistake" in a significantly different way than others here. It's hard, but I think it's important to be patient when we're using the imperfect medium that is written online communication as we try to discuss things, and that involves not jumping to conclusions (I apologize if I gave that impression). But if you search David Wilcock on this forum, you see some very angry posts about him. He's a person who seems (seem being very operative, although some posts do actually state "he makes me angry") to stir up a lot of emotion. Even if that isn't the case with you Fang.
On the other hand Fang, I think you can appreciate the possibility as to why people may (without further clarification) view you stating that "I'm saying he is a jerk" as a part of your "brutal unsolicited assault" as emotionally charged. However, people do communicate differently, and I believe your clarification when you say you weren't angry or otherwise upset (I wasn't 100% convinced you were "lacking acceptance" to begin with - and I'm writing this post because it seems that your comment probably was directed at my post. But that could be another mis-communication/mis-understanding).
I'm not even suggesting that anyone change what they say or how they say it. I'm only suggesting that it's important to be patient as we communicate, mis-communicate, and try to understand one another.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fang - 01-30-2014
As it may be of use to you for reading my posts in future, I rarely get upset lol. And if I am I try not to communicate on these forums because I know it would cloud my meanings, I use emotionally charged language at times because I think it's funny lol but I understand how that's not helpful and i'll try to refrain in future. I used "jerk" though because I thought it was the most neutral "insult" I could comprehend, I'm from Australia our slang in terms of insults used in other cultures is usually quite affectionate lol.
fang Wrote:"how about you accept them as they are if you're so big on it? lol"
[Quote='namaste']:it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.
I don't see the relation there, I edited that post btw because I knew it was just gonna get to people, i'm glad it got seen and replied too though,
edit: put "insult" in quotation marks lol
Quote:but the message is genuine even if it is not 'true'.The reliance on secrecy and methods employed to avoid falsification contradict that assertion. Maybe sincere but not honest. We just don't need this kind of zealotry.
I thought saying "brutal unsolicited assault" was hilarious btw lol but yeah I get you Xise.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - cosmiclady - 01-31-2014
And we wonder who is this guy?
I have learned quite a lot from his ebooks, but I have little dependence on his occasional online reports. They seem to follow after reports that others have authored, lessening the "wow" factor of what he writes, and decreasing any risk he has of reporting doubtful information. By the time he publishes, several other authorities have done so.
His book, The Source Field Investigation, was not at all scientific, and the conclusions he "assumes" do not necessarily follow. In my opinion. It is pathetic that he gives little if no credit to Carla, Jim, and Don.
God bless the man. He does have a service helping a large following. We are blessed to be Bring 4th-ers.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Rake - 01-31-2014
I have no real desire to read anything of David's. I like to read often and found that once I have finished a book I'm always like.. so what's next?. I came across the Seth Material thanks to a day filled with synchronicitys where my attention was brought to the book on several occasions. My reason for sharing this is I believe it to be a powerful tool in being shown truthful and important information that will best serve you. It's all too easy for information to be distorted and or filled with disinformation.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 01-31-2014
Fang - I used the quote as I wasn't coming from a place of judgement, it was intended as a mirror as to what it looked like, which is all one can do when reading text-based discussions online. It's been an enlightening conversation however due to the layers of perception we each have, and assume others have :¬)
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 01-31-2014
(01-31-2014, 03:14 AM)cosmiclady Wrote: They seem to follow after reports that others have authored, lessening the "wow" factor of what he writes, and decreasing any risk he has of reporting doubtful information.the goal is to promote any desparate suggestions which will wow in the manner that reinforces a narrative: sudden transformation into angels / dark forces manipulation and conspiracy / scientific evidence for incipient changes into a new reality, while distancing oneself from responsibility of claims made. Do you have a Stargate in your brain? Lacking accountability, it is half-baked, story telling, gossip, and entertainment. Useful info requires effort at building a case for itself, rather than manufacturing shamefully tenuous connections between disparate actors, events, and phenomena for the mere sake of what-if sensationalism.
(01-31-2014, 08:20 AM)Namaste Wrote: I wasn't coming from a place of judgementThat's called "spiritual bypassing".
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fastidious Emanations - 01-31-2014
AHAHAH. I am Edgar Cayce, see we look similar and had similar experience; this is what our future will be little ones...
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Look, I'm Genghis Khan, we looks similar and have had similar experiences, lie dead at my feet hordes of filth!
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Look, I'm aunt Theresa, we look similar and have had similar experiences; lie dying at my feet, blessed ones.
Whom am I really now, c'mon..
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Richard - 01-31-2014
Like all gurus, he will attract followers and critics <<shrug>>
To each their own.
That said, I've never been a Wilcock fan.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fastidious Emanations - 01-31-2014
Is the main concern here the idea that this material seems to be of such an undistorted presentation of the Law of One, and yet the most fervent to disseminate the material here may be distorting into a cult-inducing perspective by an 'informed shepherd'..?
David Wilcock's 2012 Enigma was basically the inspiration which stirred enough enthusiasm in me to get over his/my limited perspective(s) and perpetuation of personal beliefs and the fantastic expectations of reality which they entail.
And yet, these 'fantasies' are aspects which may be accepted and even drawn from as the inspiration to whatever comes of 'each moment'.
Equilibrium..
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Namaste - 01-31-2014
(01-31-2014, 10:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-31-2014, 08:20 AM)Namaste Wrote: I wasn't coming from a place of judgementThat's called "spiritual bypassing".
That's called "projection".
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fang - 01-31-2014
Oh no you didn't!
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - zenmaster - 01-31-2014
Gotta love the non-judgmental judgments of what must constitute a "loving state of being". lol. caught with pants down.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Bring4th_Austin - 01-31-2014
Friends,
The trajectory of this thread is now pointed in a direction where it might be beneficial to take a step back and consider whether or not the discussion has departed too far from the original topic and ventured too deep into personal territory. As I always like to reiterate, the type of communication that happens on a text forum such as this is ripe with opportunity for misunderstanding, and things might be taken personally or lead to frustration where it is not intended, which initiates this dance into personal assessments and accusations.
Please keep in mind the first guideline, calling for all members to treat other members with the utmost respect. Before you post, ask yourself, "Is this about the person, or their words? Could this be seen as disrespectful? If so, how can I make my point clearly without coming across as such?"
Please consider the balance between each member's own personal responsibility for their perception and catalyst, and each member's responsibility to act out of respect for other members. If you feel like conversation is getting heated and might be venturing into the personal, step back, take a deep breath, clear your head, and come back to reassess the situation, and move forward with the intent of respect.
Thank you all for considering these words.
RE: Who is this David Wilcock guy? - Fang - 02-01-2014
Noted. I apologise if I come across as disrespectful, it's something I really am trying to work on, if you ever see me using the phrase "a most shameful display" then please know I am being facetious lol though I will try to curb usage of it despite the hilarity it catalyses in my soul.