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RE: Illusions, illusions... - Fang - 01-29-2014
Quote:From one trap to the next but traps are for the mind and the mind in its natural state is empty, so the trap is not really a trap at all except when considered to be a trap, which becomes a thing in the mind and it is no longer empty and is therefore trapped in itself, by itself.In terms of individual subjective perception, yeah lol
I'm an INTP as well by the way, *hi five*
RE: Illusions, illusions... - reeay - 01-29-2014
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RE: Illusions, illusions... - Adonai One - 01-29-2014
Zenmaster, I have come to the conclusion that you are as insecure and as ungrounded as I could feasibly be.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Spaced - 01-29-2014
(01-29-2014, 08:45 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Zenmaster, I have come to the conclusion that you are as insecure and as ungrounded as I could feasibly be.
That would certainly allow you to disregard anything he has to say which would take you out of your comfort zone.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Adonai One - 01-29-2014
If you expect me to consider advice on authority and not mutually understood reasoning and respect, do not expect me to engage.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - xise - 01-29-2014
(01-29-2014, 03:22 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-29-2014, 03:13 PM)michael430 Wrote: Perhaps the highest catalyst you wanted for yourself before you got here was to accept the fact that this illusion is all you should see and know this time. Did you hear mocking laughter to see if it would upset and anger you? If in a more balanced state would you have heard it as the happy blissful laughter of a child or close friend ?Sort of. When Ra says "interpretation of catalyst" they mean when information is otherwise lacking and some viewpoint is called for to frame a situation. If you are upset or angry, then your projection model isn't effectively serving you in the first place. If you misinterpret actual mocking as blissful laughter when that is not actually present, that is also unbalanced.
Total agreement.
This concept of positive and negative interpretation of catalyst typically comes up in my everyday conversations with otherwise non-spiritual people interested in spirituality. They often see "positive thinking" as interpreting something as positive by disregarding harmful or uncomfortable facts.
I.E., When a person in a relationship decides to 'think positively' and ignore signs that their significant other is cheating (coming home late or not at all, secretive texting, see them flirt excessively with others in front of you, avoiding you, missing condoms, we can generate a more and more obvious list, but you get the point etc).
I see the positive interpretation of catalyst in such a situation where numerous factors that strong suggest your significant other is cheating on you as not sticking your head in the sand, but instead, acknowledging first that there is a substantial chance that they are cheating on you. Then, find reasons as to why this can become a positive thing (how it can teach you about certain concepts, perhaps about self-empowerment and self-respect, or self-love if you decide to leave the relationship, or perhaps if you try to reconcile and are successful then about forgiveness). It is also proper to hold out a small possibility you are mistaken, but one must ponder catalyst in all of its potential forms since the total situation in this reality is never 100% solidified (typically).
True balance, and true positive interpretation, in my opinion, is acknowledging the factors that make your experience painful, but finding a way to transform the experience into one that teaches you about love, as represented by the concepts entailed in the seven rays.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Spaced - 01-29-2014
No one is expecting you to take anything on authority, but that doesn't mean you have to shut out all communication from external sources aside from those you channel
.We have been telling you what you posted in the OP of this thread for ages but you brushed it off until you channeled that information from your unnamed source. Then you share it with us as though it were news to us. It seems to me that you are perfectly willing to consider advice on authority as long as it carries the guise of transpersonal experience. People are a useful resource, it would be wise to consider what they have to say.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Adonai One - 01-29-2014
People here tell me "what" but not "how" and "why." People here expect me to take advice on pure trust and dogma.
I do not take anything on pure trust and authority if I can help it.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Spaced - 01-29-2014
If you say so.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Adonai One - 01-29-2014
My main point is that something was proven to me by my guidance by direct reasoning and inferred evidence. I did not find this evidence here.
Do not expect me to just believe or prove myself.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Spaced - 01-29-2014
This may come as a shock to you, but I have zero expectations of what you should do, and I feel I'm not the only one.
Keep in mind that this is a discussion board and people are here to discuss things. I don't think anyone is trying to be coercive or malicious towards you my friend.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Plenum - 01-29-2014
(01-29-2014, 09:19 PM)Adonai One Wrote: My main point is that something was proven to me by my guidance by direct reasoning and inferred evidence. I did not find this evidence here.
Do not expect me to just believe or prove myself.
as always, experience is the best teacher.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - zenmaster - 01-29-2014
(01-29-2014, 08:45 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Zenmaster, I have come to the conclusion that you are as insecure and as ungrounded as I could feasibly be.How so?
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Unbound - 01-29-2014
(01-29-2014, 09:19 PM)Adonai One Wrote: My main point is that something was proven to me by my guidance by direct reasoning and inferred evidence. I did not find this evidence here.
Do not expect me to just believe or prove myself.
Isn't placing authority on inferrence just a fancy way of saying you only trust what fits your personal system of logic?
Besides, evidence is just an experience we have had which we have in some way inferred to be the constitution of a hypothesis we have about the nature or part of the nature of our experience, imo! Aha
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Fastidious Emanations - 01-30-2014
there is no answer to why and how my friend but you can try forever
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Namaste - 01-30-2014
Discussion is healthy. It becomes less so when it transforms into who, or what is 'right' or 'wrong'.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Raz - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 05:16 PM)Namaste Wrote: Discussion is healthy. It becomes less so when it transforms into who, or what is 'right' or 'wrong'.
right, wrong; it´s all a song
today’s common sense has the potential to be tomorrows insanity
it all comes down to what we think from our experiance with reality
peak of understanding sure feels like Vanity.
What truth is there to be found when every expression is a lie?
all we can hope to do, is find the beauty in it Before we die
I will explain the rest in interpretive dance
Here are the subtitles for those who do not understand that stance;
I see the light even when it´s dark
I see the strength in weakness when I play my part
Limitation is not our destination
it simply adds a sprinkle of flavour to the eternal fascination
I would dance some more
But I think it´s time to pass the floor
*slides the floor over to the next poster*
peace, love ´n bubblegum!
RE: Illusions, illusions... - AnthroHeart - 01-30-2014
I've understood insanity. I've experienced it. And it's not pretty.
Although when on DMT, insanity was a beautiful thing.
Just when it comes unplanned it is a scary thing.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Unbound - 01-30-2014
The "illusion of maya" represents the the archetype of insanity as insanity is, I believe, defined as continuing to do the same thing while expecting different results. Therefore, it is our attachment to our own patterns of personality and bias which keep us locked in the illusion, and we enter the illusion again and again in this manner. That is why some traditions such as Buddhism talk about release from the cycles of samsara and reincarnation because until we are conscious enough to choose our own manner of incarnation or conscious embodiment we are perpetually drawn in to our 'karmic patterns' which really are our patterns of choosing.
If we keep making the same choices in the same way we develop a habit. Some habits are healthy and empowering, others drain us on a day to day basis. It is the attachment to unhealthy (health comes from a word meaning 'whole', so unhealthy means fragmentation or self-separation, not whole) habits which keep us continuously confusing ourselves.
I think what most people would call insanity I would actually think of as "pure spontaneity". Insanity isn't about chaos or lack of control, its about the perpetuation of a cyclic pattern without awareness.
(01-29-2014, 07:43 PM)Fang Wrote:Quote:From one trap to the next but traps are for the mind and the mind in its natural state is empty, so the trap is not really a trap at all except when considered to be a trap, which becomes a thing in the mind and it is no longer empty and is therefore trapped in itself, by itself.In terms of individual subjective perception, yeah lol
I'm an INTP as well by the way, *hi five*
Highfiiivah!
RE: Illusions, illusions... - AnthroHeart - 01-30-2014
I don't like being perpetually drawn to karmic patterns. I want to be released from the cycle of samsara.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Unbound - 01-30-2014
Well the first step is becoming aware of the patterns you are unconsciously perpetuating, becoming aware of the "unconscious drives" so to speak.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - AnthroHeart - 01-30-2014
How can we become aware of that which is unconscious? Is it about trying harder?
RE: Illusions, illusions... - xise - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 07:28 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Is it about trying harder?
Maybe it's about trying smarter, not harder? I don't ask rhetorically - I don't assume to know whether my experiences apply to yours - I ask only to offer another concept to ponder.
When I say trying smarter, I mean this: For doing all sorts of things in my own life, if I'm having difficulty trying to do something, I take a brief break, reanalyze (with the help of books, others, google, etc), and try to do it more intelligently, usually by trying out new methods. I usually find something that works wonderfully for me in the process.
Only when it's clear that I'm out of new smart ways or new smart methods to try, then I pick the best method out of the mediocre bunch of methods and just try harder.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Fastidious Emanations - 01-30-2014
I think its more like consciously giving oneself back to the source from which he had hidden himself
RE: Illusions, illusions... - AnthroHeart - 01-30-2014
I remember returning myself to creator a number of times. I was willing to give it all up to benefit Creator.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Unbound - 01-30-2014
Are you willing to accept all that you are and where you are at to benefit the Creator?
You make the unconscious conscious by questioning and exploring the mystery and unanswered aspects of yourself. By questioning I do not mean seeding doubt or questioning one's own validity, but rather wherever there is a mystery within yourself, explore it. If there are things you say about yourself, but you do not have any conscious reason or connection as to why you identify with that aspect of yourself then there are things still unconscious about the aspect. It is good to accept yourself as you are, there is no requirement to open up the pandora's box of the mind, body and spirit, however, becoming more conscious comes from exactly that, self exploration.
If you do not know and own your own intentions from moment to moment, then there are patterns which you are following, likely unconsciously. When what you are doing, what you are thinking, what you are feeling and what you are being are all part of one self-communication when power in the form of self awareness flows forth. To have your focus capable of being singular begins to show more consciousness as when we have many unconscious drives our mind is full and distracted and cannot be distinguished from its contents. When the focus is One, the mind is empty and clear and there is no longer distraction.
(01-30-2014, 09:28 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I remember returning myself to creator a number of times. I was willing to give it all up to benefit Creator.
You have said before you equate sacrifice with worth. Do you feel the Creator benefits from sacrifice?
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Namaste - 01-30-2014
A very insightful post, Tanner.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - AnthroHeart - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 09:53 PM)Tanner Wrote:(01-30-2014, 09:28 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I remember returning myself to creator a number of times. I was willing to give it all up to benefit Creator.
You have said before you equate sacrifice with worth. Do you feel the Creator benefits from sacrifice?
Yeah, well at least I used to think that sacrifice equaled worth. But in real life I am not much of a sacrificing person, unless it's on an energetic level. The sacrifice I've had to give up has been through work on an energetic level.
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Unbound - 01-30-2014
(01-30-2014, 09:56 PM)Namaste Wrote: A very insightful post, Tanner.
Aha Thank you!
(01-30-2014, 10:03 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(01-30-2014, 09:53 PM)Tanner Wrote:(01-30-2014, 09:28 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I remember returning myself to creator a number of times. I was willing to give it all up to benefit Creator.
You have said before you equate sacrifice with worth. Do you feel the Creator benefits from sacrifice?
Yeah, well at least I used to think that sacrifice equaled worth. But in real life I am not much of a sacrificing person, unless it's on an energetic level. The sacrifice I've had to give up has been through work on an energetic level.
What do mean by sacrifice on an energetic level?
RE: Illusions, illusions... - Fastidious Emanations - 01-30-2014
the analysis of infinite mystery by the United mind is...