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RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - isis - 12-19-2013
(12-17-2013, 09:47 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote: I want people in my life that challenge MY thinking and lead me on intellectual roller-coaster rides. It may just be that I tune out whenever other people are talking, but they take SO LONG to explain simple things.
This is such a recurring theme recently in my life that I've almost stopped being interested in meeting spiritual people.
simplex sigillum veri is a latin phrase that means simplicity is the sign of truth!
i skim nearly every long post on this forum -- other than the wanderer stories...(hi sunray!)
& when i'm listening to people if they're taking a long time to explain something i tune them out & find it's beyond my control.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - Sagittarius - 12-19-2013
(12-19-2013, 10:30 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote:(12-19-2013, 01:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Ok, you want to be a student, but one who doesn't learn or "use experience" as Ra says? Sounds like you are confused.
I've been confused my whole life.
*edit* I've met NO single person that has been able to lead me further on my path. Instead I've almost become addicted to meeting new people as I get to find out more about myself with each new interaction. At the same time, I'm terrified of being friendless and alone. This leads me to attach to every new person that I meet. At the same time, having found the LOO, it's difficult to accept that any 'traditional' path for growth is better than simply experiencing, meditating, and accepting.
Your troubles mirror every other self's troubles, just seen through a unique array of lens i.e your individually conscious self. How do those lens change i.e line up ? As we have said experience, chasing the things you feel fear/think about until they are accepted and seen through a more complete picture. The feeling/sensing component can't be described with words they must be felt/experienced. Feeling/sensation are timeless, once this is experienced then the view/sight of us can be disregarded.
Although both time (feeling) space (seeing) seem to operate on the same principles in regards to the individuation process. You basically see things one by one in time, and feel feelings one by one in time. If you visualize it like at the very beginning you see one picture in one time and one feeling in one time, both the picture and the feeling interact to multiply and divide in a space of time till the complete feeling and picture is seen wholly in consciousness.
The whole picture of self or spirit is the 3rd factor and this relates to the speed at which wholeness is seen in consciousness. We are this thing so we are the speed so to say. Really these words don't matter, doesn't matter the circumstance ( view and feelings of space and time) the speed will only get speedier.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - reeay - 12-19-2013
Lots of things we discover and share on this forum are intuitive knowledge. If we desires to be a 'learner', we may choose to balance intuitive knowing with the following:
1) learn thru reading up on other resources (e.g., from scientific, social science, spiritually oriented materials)
2) learn thru others
3) learn thru experiencing what you are learning
4) integrate all that's been learned (intuitive info + 1-3)
Teaching comes later. And there's a process that occurs after teaching something, too, where you unlearn to really learn. Learning is like a process of refinement bc we discover whole lot of things about self in the process. It's a process bc there are stages and continuous movement.
Ra says: 17.2 'Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?'
Ray says 49.4 'The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception. As you may see, these two types of brain structure need to be balanced in order that the net sum of experiential catalyst will be polarization and illumination, for without the acceptance by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty the creative aspects which aid in illumination will be stifled.'
Sharing intuitive learning to others can serve its function - to inspire and whatnot… but as for balancing intuitive/rational thinking… that takes personal effort to go beyond intuition and reach out to various forms of learning.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - isis - 12-19-2013
(12-19-2013, 01:29 PM)rie Wrote: Ray says 49.4 'The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception. As you may see, these two types of brain structure need to be balanced in order that the net sum of experiential catalyst will be polarization and illumination, for without the acceptance by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty the creative aspects which aid in illumination will be stifled.'lol "Ray says"
(hi again Sun Ray!
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RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - Unbound - 12-19-2013
(12-19-2013, 10:30 AM)GentleReckoning Wrote:(12-19-2013, 01:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Ok, you want to be a student, but one who doesn't learn or "use experience" as Ra says? Sounds like you are confused.
I've been confused my whole life.
*edit* I've met NO single person that has been able to lead me further on my path. Instead I've almost become addicted to meeting new people as I get to find out more about myself with each new interaction. At the same time, I'm terrified of being friendless and alone. This leads me to attach to every new person that I meet. At the same time, having found the LOO, it's difficult to accept that any 'traditional' path for growth is better than simply experiencing, meditating, and accepting.
May I ask you what you consider your path to be?
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - GentleReckoning - 12-19-2013
I'm going to fall in love with some girl and do whatever I want to do...
It's kind of a work in progress. :p
*edit
My interests are meditation, psychology, massage, music, and maybe hypnosis. I could likely be successful in any one of them. However, I feel like I can combine many of them towards a simple goal of helping people.
Oh yeah, I like crystals too.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - Unbound - 12-19-2013
It just seems to me you already have your method of experiencing and from the way you talk about it, it appears you feel you are on the most efficient path for you. You say you want to be challenged, but at the same time you are completely attached to your methodology. Maybe the challenge is in accepting that technique only gets you so far?
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. This is technique. This is not the heart. Let us examine the heart of evolution.Let us remember that we are all one. This is the great learning/teaching. In this unity lies love. This is a great learn/teaching. In this unity lies light. This is the fundamental teaching of all planes of existence in materialization. Unity, love, light, and joy; this is the heart of evolution of the spirit.
The second-ranking lessons are learn/taught in meditation and in service. At some point the mind/body/spirit complex is so smoothly activated and balanced by these central thoughts or distortions that thetechniques you have mentioned become quite significant. However, the universe, its mystery unbroken, is one. Always begin and end in the Creator, not in technique.
Maybe you just need to accept your own simplicity without needing others to adhere to that simplicity. You say you want to live and not learn anymore, yet contradict that intention with the desire to be challenged it seems. I don't know, I am trying not to peg you or project on to you and in any way possible keep my thoughts open and communicate two-ways but in all honesty I feel that sometimes you can be one-sided in your communications as well.
Forgive me if this is rude, I do not mean to insult, but it was something I noticed when we met and that it was fairly easy for you to ask to be included but you seemed to be genuinely surprised when I asked that it be reciprocated. You were comfortable asking others to work with you on your level, but the idea of working to the levels of others seemed to be something which you had no interest in. It seems to be kind of a one-way street that way, and maybe I am totally wrong and since our meeting was so short by all means I may have misapprehended you but while you were very friendly and engaging and we had some great discussion and experiences, all the while I felt that unless I approach you in a particular way that suits you, you would not be responsive or even have any interest in engaging me. I totally understand this, and I do not hold you with any less respect, I have lots of respect for you, but I admit I do find it confusing.
Sorry if I am way off, but those are my honest thoughts and we have agreed to honesty aha so there it is.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - GentleReckoning - 12-19-2013
You're spot on. Thanks for being honest.
I'm working with a SAD regarding interacting with females on any level. Every single friendship with a female has been taken away from me due to sex/guilt/shame/pain. I fell in love with someone that was seeing my friend the entire time that we were dating. When she broke up with me and dated my best friend, he expressed his insecurity and she refused to see me. Since that point I've felt that I have to compete with every male in my life for any kind of affection from a female. (friendship or otherwise) At the same time, I felt that I was strong enough to handle this and that if I started dating someone there would be someone else in the world that would end up going through what I had gone through. Remember, these are unconscious beliefs that are at the same time the foundation for lifelong work. Typing them out may make them seem silly, but when your life is controlled by them it gets kind of messy.
So, if I seemed a bit down and depressed... it was probably because I really enjoyed spending time with Brittany Lynn and had the unconscious belief that by repressing myself around you and her I was somehow allowing your friendship with her. It also didn't help that I expressed interest in someone else and was more or less shot down.
So when it comes to any interaction where there is the opposite sex I have a huge gaping victim mentality going on that I'm working through. It isn't fun, it isn't rewarding, but week by week, I feel better and better. And eventually, I hope to heal and be able to guide people through their own difficulties in expressing themselves in society.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - Unbound - 12-19-2013
(12-19-2013, 04:10 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote: I'm going to fall in love with some girl and do whatever I want to do...
It's kind of a work in progress. :p
*edit
My interests are meditation, psychology, massage, music, and maybe hypnosis. I could likely be successful in any one of them. However, I feel like I can combine many of them towards a simple goal of helping people.
Oh yeah, I like crystals too.
I can teach you about reiki if you want, as that can utilize all of these things. Just an offer! Aha
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - GentleReckoning - 12-19-2013
I will take you up on that offer when I can physically spend some time with you.
I've developed some serious ADD when it comes to learning things when I'm not physically with another human being. We'll see what where the future leads!
Also, it's easy to play the victim card as that's how I was then. I'm doing much better now but it takes a while for changes to the mental body to filter down to the emotions and express themselves in the physical.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - Unbound - 12-19-2013
(12-19-2013, 04:37 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote: You're spot on. Thanks for being honest.
I'm working with a SAD regarding interacting with females on any level. Every single friendship with a female has been taken away from me due to sex/guilt/shame/pain. I fell in love with someone that was seeing my friend the entire time that we were dating. When she broke up with me and dated my best friend, he expressed his insecurity and she refused to see me. Since that point I've felt that I have to compete with every male in my life for any kind of affection from a female. (friendship or otherwise) At the same time, I felt that I was strong enough to handle this and that if I started dating someone there would be someone else in the world that would end up going through what I had gone through. Remember, these are unconscious beliefs that are at the same time the foundation for lifelong work. Typing them out may make them seem silly, but when your life is controlled by them it gets kind of messy.
So, if I seemed a bit down and depressed... it was probably because I really enjoyed spending time with Brittany Lynn and had the unconscious belief that by repressing myself around you and her I was somehow allowing your friendship with her. It also didn't help that I expressed interest in someone else and was more or less shot down.
So when it comes to any interaction where there is the opposite sex I have a huge gaping victim mentality going on that I'm working through. It isn't fun, it isn't rewarding, but week by week, I feel better and better. And eventually, I hope to heal and be able to guide people through their own difficulties in expressing themselves in society.
That was really heartfelt, thanks for sharing that with me, I feel I understand more what you were and perhaps in some ways still are going through. I am here if you would ever desire assistance or support either with release or just to bounce off of. I am not perfect, I too get jealous and for me it revolves around when women express their desire for men but because of traits that I feel they wish I had but do not, or have no interest or whatever. Although I am realizing that more it is anguish at myself for not tapping potential I know exists within me.
Also, the friendship and connection that Brittany and I have is our responsibility and though others may alter our lives and our perspectives, it is ever between us that the qualities of our relationship are decided. This is the same for you and I, and you and her, and like-wise in all interactions between peoples and creatures. Consider the balance of power and flow of love in in this way, if you find interest in it. Much love to you, my friend.
(12-19-2013, 04:52 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote: I will take you up on that offer when I can physically spend some time with you.
I've developed some serious ADD when it comes to learning things when I'm not physically with another human being. We'll see what where the future leads!
Also, it's easy to play the victim card as that's how I was then. I'm doing much better now but it takes a while for changes to the mental body to filter down to the emotions and express themselves in the physical.
Patience is a useful ally aha I agree, I much prefer to teach in person, and actually that has just sparked a new idea for me! I know how you feel, I have experienced that in my own capacities for sure aha I have faith in you, my friend.
Also, you will have to give me an explanation of your perception of the bodies and the way they filter between eachother as I have noticed you saying certain things which I think hint that you have some more complexity to you than you let on.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - GentleReckoning - 12-19-2013
Honestly, I learn/teach best through communication. If you would like to get together on skype sometime I would love to level with you. Otherwise it's just my ideas and they are prone to the many biases that I've acquired over my life. However, if I co-create with someone else, it is possible to come closer to universal truth by finding what shines truthfully through multiple lenses.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - AnthroHeart - 12-19-2013
I like having the role of being a student, as long as the teachings aren't too hard.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - Fastidious Emanations - 12-20-2013
sorry i haven't read the long posts yet im tired right now.
I don't know why it is we even talked, lol, seems to be a great source of confusion though there is a complex and simple mystery afoot where/when/why/how/whom-soever we search.
I posted this somewhere else cause it was honestly how i felt, but I think it belongs in this thread rather;
(12-20-2013, 01:44 AM)primordial abyss Wrote: nothing is necessary, life had not to be in any way shape or form We got bored and f***** ourself over.(notice the sarcastic tone, lol)
not to worry though we created temporary misfortunes for our learning of love.
and so I am hungry for this love.
GentleReckoning,
I once received a little piece of quartz from you.
When I got this it was buzzing in my hand but it took a day to adjust.
The adjustment was this; the hollandite was not capable of working with me until I was to lose my distorted perception of dissatisfaction with 'the illusion', 'circumstance', etc. 'The moment' when I consciously accepted/adopted the perception of 'all is well' we were afforded a great heart opening healing, learning, expressive and very rare opportunity.
There are no words to explain my gratitude.
What I am meaning to say is do what you feel and it will come, it seems lol.
I want wholeness and this is seems so hard to achieve here and even harder working alone.
I tend to hate many aspects of my day to day life and have much trouble integrating the lessons of patience and also the concept of 'negativity' and how stupid of an idea it seems like to me (the "individual") and also to grasp the quality of the concept of complete separation having to re-member and re-integrate the self into the self and this expression of life that affords bliss by means of suffering and discontent.
I am dissatisfied with the means by which the universe experiences Itself in this region of space, time, energy, thought...
HAHHA I am dissatisfied with my lack of satisfaction, and feel alone because of having secluded my self from others.
I hate/enjoy the idea of making choices and i need to rest now so i may continue wandering.
one love friends.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - zenmaster - 12-20-2013
"Thus if one opportunity is missed another will appear until the, shall we say, student of the life experience grasps that a lesson is being offered and undertakes to learn it."
"The purpose of incarnation in third density is to learn the ways of love."
"Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly."
"the function of the mind/body/spirit complex is to experience and learn from other-selves thus experiencing the Creator"
So yeah, learning is something other people do.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - Fastidious Emanations - 12-20-2013
(12-20-2013, 02:35 AM)zenmaster Wrote: ...learning is something other people do.and then what of forgetting..?
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - zenmaster - 12-20-2013
(12-20-2013, 02:47 AM)primordial abyss Wrote:You can't forget something of real value, so doesn't matter.(12-20-2013, 02:35 AM)zenmaster Wrote: ...learning is something other people do.and then what of forgetting..?
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - Fastidious Emanations - 12-20-2013
let us imagine the perspective where everything is of real value, or one could say of no import.
Is the rememberer afforded a greater quality of being than the forgetter?
Or do these opposing/ reciprocal ideas leads to the same result; completeness..?
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Upon farther application I find that it really doesn't matter, that which is 'of most benefit/usefulness' to the learning of love will be remembered regardless of what measures are taken to abate such memory.
The accumulation of some thoughts/idea/feelings to the centre over others must has to do with 'charge' or longing for completeness/togetherness, is the path of separation the same/opposite and when does that come to be complete?
It seems I have come to enjoy shadow.
I think we are here as individuals to learn to enjoy, and yet not cling to any of these fleeting aspects of 'reality', as each part somehow represents the whole. That is love I suppose.
I am ready for change, which I understand to not be any more real than anything else.
Much love.
wtf did i just said lol? "P
oh, I see it is like about, 'taking up the baton'
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - GentleReckoning - 12-20-2013
wut is going on in mah thread.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - Plenum - 12-20-2013
(12-20-2013, 05:55 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote: wut is going on in mah thread.
lol.
where threads start, and where threads end can be in two different countries. Or planets. Or densities.
my commiserations GR.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - BrownEye - 12-21-2013
(12-20-2013, 05:55 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote: wut is going on in mah thread.
Needs more cowbell.
RE: Generally dis-satisfied with this illusion. - Melissa - 12-21-2013
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Shiny thread!