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RE: Seeing a Therapist - Patrick - 10-18-2013
Lots of things can all be true at the same time, depending on our point of view. From a higher point of view, it is possible to see how things that seem contradictory right now are actually without paradox.
Don't worry too much my friend and follow the train of thoughts that brings you peace, balance and joy.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - Sagittarius - 10-18-2013
How do you know what brings you peace, balance and joy?
RE: Seeing a Therapist - xise - 10-18-2013
(10-18-2013, 10:32 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: How do you know what brings you peace, balance and joy?
You get to know yourself.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - Hototo - 10-19-2013
(10-18-2013, 08:05 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(10-17-2013, 09:45 PM)kycahi Wrote: I absolutely KNOW, though, that some people who would be called illusional or delusional really do perceive real stuff that the majority of us do not.
This includes even certain YouTube videos I've since not been able to find since I came out of my altered state. Videos that talked about Universal secrets.
There is a thread here with a significant amount of problems in me finding a picture that was posted less than a year ago here like 2-4 times in a row. So I know exactly what you're talking about.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - Sagittarius - 10-19-2013
(10-18-2013, 10:54 PM)xise Wrote:(10-18-2013, 10:32 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: How do you know what brings you peace, balance and joy?
You get to know yourself.
What if nothing here is yourself.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - xise - 10-19-2013
(10-19-2013, 07:20 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:(10-18-2013, 10:54 PM)xise Wrote:(10-18-2013, 10:32 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: How do you know what brings you peace, balance and joy?
You get to know yourself.
What if nothing here is yourself.
Throw out all preconceived notions about the nature of things, especially including all preconceived notions of yourself, and go deep into yourself. Meditation and isolation are key.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - AnthroHeart - 10-19-2013
(10-19-2013, 04:04 PM)xise Wrote:(10-19-2013, 07:20 AM)Sagittarius Wrote:(10-18-2013, 10:54 PM)xise Wrote:(10-18-2013, 10:32 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: How do you know what brings you peace, balance and joy?
You get to know yourself.
What if nothing here is yourself.
Throw out all preconceived notions about the nature of things, especially including all preconceived notions of yourself, and go deep into yourself. Meditation and isolation are key.
If we go within, will we find that we have no bias?
RE: Seeing a Therapist - xise - 10-19-2013
(10-19-2013, 04:06 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If we go within, will we find that we have no bias?
It's more likely that we'll be able to clearly see the bias that needs to be balanced before further discovery of the true self is possible.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - AnthroHeart - 10-19-2013
Perhaps my adoration of anthros is a bias.
Is that true for any attachment?
RE: Seeing a Therapist - Patrick - 10-19-2013
(10-18-2013, 10:32 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: How do you know what brings you peace, balance and joy?
If you worry, think about something else until no worries are left. Once this happens, you'll probably find yourself in the present moment, in the now. Worries are surprisingly very rare in the now. Seriously it's surprising!
RE: Seeing a Therapist - AnthroHeart - 10-30-2013
Just saw my therapist yesterday. He is very good at what he does, and explains things to me in a way I can understand. And I look forward to seeing him every month.
I told him about my suicidal thoughts that come up, and he mentioned those were impulses (or some other "i" word), that are common. And as long as we don't act on them, they tend to go away on their own.
I mentioned to him my interest in Care Bears and he mentioned to me the sense of innocence and regression that demonstrates. He said that in childhood I may have been missing these things, which is why I think of them now.
Care Bears are anthros too, which is one reason I like them. They are very positive is another. And magical is another.
When I was a kid I wanted a Belly Badge like they have, that symbol on their belly to create the Care Bear Stare.
When I got home, I ordered the box set of Original care Bears from Amazon. I joined Amazon Prime and was able to watch a Care Bears movie. There are a few other movies on there too. I think that Amazon says 44,000 movies are available to watch. that probably includes Series as well. I usually like to spend my free time on this board, and meditating, so I don't watch much tv. Care Bears are about it that I watch now. It makes me feel like a kid again.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - xise - 10-30-2013
I think childhood also reminds us of a period of time where we self-accepted ourselves fully. And that brings about a certain joy in one's life.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - AnthroHeart - 10-30-2013
I just find it interesting that I'm in some ways regressing to a child. But also gaining in maturity.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - caycegal - 10-30-2013
Dear Gemini,
Think of this as your grandmother (me) telling you, sweetie, it runs in our family!
I've been in therapy lots of times, and it helped me, but I didn't discuss these ideas with my therapists. When I was young my mom was locked up and given electric shock treatments, and I had another female relative to whom more terrible things were done. I grew up understanding I had to be careful what I told to whom. I am now married for the third time, and I finally realized that one of the conditions of my being in a relationship needs to be that my mate knows all about my beliefs and even agrees with many of them.
I got a degree in counseling but after seven years stopped working in the field because I did not believe in the "science" of "psychotherapy." However, I do still believe that therapy can be very helpful with the right person. Also there are now many therapists who "cross over" into our belief system with varying degrees of openness.
Be careful of therapists who want to put you on drug treatments. Just know what you are getting into. You can relieve your pain to some extent with these meds, but, as Ra said, they are not really conducive to making progress on a "spiritual" path. (There's nothing wrong with taking drugs if you so choose - just understand that it's not a path to certain kinds of growth in consciousness. I'm trying to say this in a non-judgmental way.)
Luv ya - thanks for being a friend.
PS - I'm worried about hurting people with my comments about drugs. There is a sense in which everything we ingest, including our food, is a drug and affects our consciousness, so it's not really a completely cut and dried topic.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - AnthroHeart - 10-30-2013
I haven't opened up with everything. But most things I've been trusting of my therapist. He agrees the drugs are good for me to keep me sane. I don't have the will or faith to handle the episodes by myself. I just like talking with him, so I get a little bit honest. There isn't really anything I wished I hadn't told him, and I think he appreciates my honesty with him.
It's just bad that in my upcoming court case my lawyer won't be using my therapist. I thought he would make a good witness of how I've changed since I went from not knowing right from wrong to being level headed.
I'm not really seeking spiritually, so if the meds slow my spiritual growth, I don't really have a problem with that. I still seem to have a somewhat active indigo ray. And my green ray seems to be about average. Sometimes I feel it, sometimes not.
I've been on my medication for the last 10 months. They do numb me out a bit, so I don't really feel joy anymore. But I also don't experience terror. There is a lot better place I wish I could be. It would be nice to be without the meds. But after 3 times trying to stop, and 3 times having episodes, I can't chance going without them.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - xise - 10-30-2013
(10-30-2013, 03:03 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: It's just bad that in my upcoming court case my lawyer won't be using my therapist. I thought he would make a good witness of how I've changed since I went from not knowing right from wrong to being level headed.
Not using your therapist might be a good thing. If he was used, the opposing side may get a chance to question your therapist on every single thing you said or did that ever caused him concern in your entire history of therapy, even years in the past, as an effort to undermine your therapist's current opinion on you. Sometimes it's best not to open a can of worms. (Not legal advice. Various jurisdictions may differ.)
As with most experts, usually the basis or things leading up the opinion are as important as the opinion itself, and if the basis could look bad, the final opinion and expert themselves could look bad.
Quote:I'm not really seeking spiritually, so if the meds slow my spiritual growth, I don't really have a problem with that. I still seem to have a somewhat active indigo ray. And my green ray seems to be about average. Sometimes I feel it, sometimes not.
It's all about balance my friend. If you are seeking to actively embrace 7-ray balanced beliefs and actively putting them into practice, then you are seeking in the most important sense.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - caycegal - 10-31-2013
(09-19-2013, 09:18 PM)xise Wrote: GW, I notice the way you described defiance in response to Tanner's questions in another thread seems involve yellow-ray concepts involved with power.
Key to my journey in resolving my bdd mental health issues was building up my orange ray, but also my yellow ray. After working on self-acceptance, I hit a wall where I still had my depressive thoughts. It was only after 2-3 months of deciding directly to work on my yellow ray issues, did I transform.
The night I decided to change my current focus to yellow ray I had a dream where thousands of dying worms came out of my body. It was clear that my beliefs about yellow ray power were parasitic in nature and diminished my ability to be a radiant being.
6-18-13 clean and still going
Orange/Yellow Ray Power is invaluable to the positive entity:
Quote:75.32 Questioner: The three aspects of the magical personality are stated to be power, love, and wisdom. Is this correct and are these the only primary aspects of the magical personality?
Ra: I am Ra. The three aspects of the magical personality, power, love, and wisdom, are so called in order that attention be paid to each aspect in developing the basic tool of the adept; that is, its self. It is by no means a personality of three aspects. It is a being of unity, being of sixth density and equivalent to what you call your higher self and, at the same time, is a personality enormously rich in variety of experience and subtlety of emotion.
The three aspects are given that the neophyte not abuse the tools of its trade but rather approach those tools balanced in the center of love and wisdom and thus seeking power in order to serve.
.....
75.39 Questioner: Then is it correct that a good sequence for developing the invocation of the magical personality are alternate meditations, first on power, then a meditation on love, and then a meditation on wisdom and to continue cycling that way? Is that an appropriate technique?
Ra: I am Ra. This is indeed an appropriate technique. In this particular group there is an additional aid in that each entity manifests one of these qualities in a manner which approaches the archetype. Thusly visualization may be personalized and much love and support within the group generated.
xise, can you be more specific about techniques you use for working on yellow (and other) rays?
(10-30-2013, 03:03 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I haven't opened up with everything. But most things I've been trusting of my therapist. He agrees the drugs are good for me to keep me sane. I don't have the will or faith to handle the episodes by myself. I just like talking with him, so I get a little bit honest. There isn't really anything I wished I hadn't told him, and I think he appreciates my honesty with him.I have some people very close to me who haven't been able to get off them. It's okay, it's just another step in life.
It's just bad that in my upcoming court case my lawyer won't be using my therapist. I thought he would make a good witness of how I've changed since I went from not knowing right from wrong to being level headed.
I'm not really seeking spiritually, so if the meds slow my spiritual growth, I don't really have a problem with that. I still seem to have a somewhat active indigo ray. And my green ray seems to be about average. Sometimes I feel it, sometimes not.
I've been on my medication for the last 10 months. They do numb me out a bit, so I don't really feel joy anymore. But I also don't experience terror. There is a lot better place I wish I could be. It would be nice to be without the meds. But after 3 times trying to stop, and 3 times having episodes, I can't chance going without them.
What I do when I run out of options is to pray, pray, pray. I know some people do not believe in prayer, but I seem to remember Ra said that help can only be given to the extent to which it is requested. To whom do I pray? I ask for help, lots of help, from those who are guiding me in the spirit planes. And they do help. Sometimes it is quick and obvious. Sometimes it is a slow-moving arc only obvious over the course of years.
Wishing the best for you, little brother. If you wish it I would be happy to pray for you to be guided and surrounded by love and joy. Jesus (and some other teachers) said that when the minds of two or more are united in common cause, it is tremendously powerful.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - AnthroHeart - 10-31-2013
caycegal, yes, feel free to pray for me. That would be very helpful. Thank you.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - xise - 10-31-2013
(10-31-2013, 07:53 AM)caycegal Wrote: xise, can you be more specific about techniques you use for working on yellow (and other) rays?
Just some general thoughts, because I think the techniques are slightly different for everyone, and each ray has an infinite amount of sub-concepts that can be distorted that may or may not apply to your journey. My yellow ray involved issues involved two things: (1) I believed green ray acceptance meant accepting the future -but that is not true, you accept the present but if you don't believe your power to change the future, you destroy your yellow, positives believe in changing the future without hurting or impinging on other's free will, negatives believe in changing in whatever manner they desire (2) However, not directly involving bdd, I also had trouble saying no, as I self-judged and did not accept myself for saying no to someone, somehow believing that I was was not loving to say no to someone. This affected orange, yellow, and blue. But I am also another self whose wishes and desires I love and honor, and so it's more than ok to say no to someone about anything. That being said, as there are an infinite amount of subconcepts in each ray, yours are probably different, so some general balancing techniques:
(1) Develop your energy center feedback system. I literally feel the energy, like a warm, electrical sensation, although the sensation varies depending on the ray. Someone else might not feel the energy; I know my Reiki teacher sees energy. Others might have some other feedback. Find your feedback mechanism. This usually requires a practice of daily mediation, because sensitivity seems to first develop when you quiet the mind. Don't worry about feeling all of the rays at once, but try to see if you feel at least one.
Then, once you have noticed that you can feel energy at a ray center, play around with the concepts involved with it. Carla's Wanderer's Handbook is a great ray guide, but googling about chakras is also effective. See if you meditate on a belief involving your most sensitive ray if you can activate more energy into it.
Once you do this, you can start exploring beliefs allegedly involved in each ray and see if it has an effect on your rays.
(2) Analyze your catalyst. When you experience catalyst and resulting emotions, I do what Ra states and go up the rays (though I believe the concepts blend, red blends into orange, orange blends into yellow, etc). To paraphrase: Red/Survival? Orange/Self-Acceptance? Yellow/Power? Green/Universal Love-Acceptance of Present? Blue/Honesty and Responsibility with Self, communication with other selfs? Indigo/Faith? In the process you will usually bump up against uncomfortable beliefs that caused the emotional reaction you had toward the catalyst.
(3) Examine the uncomfortable beliefs you identified that caused the emotional response under the lens of the rays you earlier identified were involved. I find it useful to classify these uncomfortable into two categories: negatively polarizing, and unpolarized. If something is an uncomfortable unpolarized belief, such as, always do what your parents say no matter what, I can use my logic to convince myself that it doesn't make sense; further, it is neither service to self, or service to others. I can then usually find a more balanced belief to replace it. On the other hand, if it is a negatively polarizing belief, such as wanting to exercise my superiority over someone who has insulted me, I find I cannot convince myself it doesn't make sense -negative philosophy has a logic of its own, but instead I accept that shadow side of me, just like I accept negatives outside of me in the illusory world, without judgment-condemnation.
(4) If this fails, try some good old blue ray clearing or talking (thanks GR
). Just talk about it with someone. The important part is finding someone who will listen, because its less about getting advice and its more about just saying and describing what emotions you felt as most of us have been culturally raised to repress uncomfortable emotions, and just talking about the experience can undo the repression and give us clarity.(5) Meditate on the experience. Sometimes you'll get insight; sometimes you'll feel tension release in the rays that were imbalanced through the experience.
(6) If there an emotion or concept that comes from an unknown belief, it is help for me to do as Ra says understand the heightened emotion or concept and its heightened antithesis, as sometimes that will draw out the distortions into my conscious mind.
There are probably some other things that will come to mind later, but this is what I have for now. I hope it helps!!
RE: Seeing a Therapist - neutral333 - 11-07-2013
(09-15-2013, 04:55 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'm seeing a therapist monthly. He's helping keep me grounded, but his philosophy is different than the Law of One. To him, me thinking that the Universe is alive, is being delusional. But he puts it much more friendly like that. He says that this type of thinking has gotten me in trouble in the past with my delusions of grandeur.Accept what he says as true and valuable because there are times when his thinking might be applicable. It doesn't have to negate what you believe, but you perspective can always be broadened. His ideas and yours do not have to be in total agreement and on the same note, they do not have to be in conflict.
So how do you know that what you seek is truth, and not just a delusion? As long as I can stay grounded. But when I'm having an episode, I can't stay grounded, and I live in between planes (the physical and mental planes), where reality can be different. It's not so much being on my meds, as they allow me to explore the infinite without trying so hard to ground.
I think having a therapist is helpful, and I enjoy talking to him. But when what he says from his point of view conflicts with my beliefs, which do I choose?
RE: Seeing a Therapist - reeay - 11-08-2013
Does what the therapist say make some sense considering the context of your unique situation and in the context of the critical events that occurred that led you to enter into therapy?
I know some folks have negative experiences with mental health and others practice something that is alternative to psychotherapy so their opinion is to caution against labeling spiritual experiences as part of psychosis (e.g., delusion). However, in the context of geminiwolf's situation, how relevant is the therapist's perspectives/opinion?
There is a very fine line between psychosis and spiritual experiences. When a society's mainstream belief is geared towards accepting certain experiences as normal, there will be a much lower rate of pathologizing spiritual experiences and a much better prognosis (i.e., getting better/recovery) than in societies where belief system does not embrace certain spiritual beliefs & experiences. However, there is also enough empirical data showing that there are neurological anomolies associated with certain mental health conditions, particularly w/ schizophrenia.
The key is how that person *responds/reacts* to voices or their perception of self. When the consequences are adversive in some way (e.g., harm to self or others, causes great emotional distress, etc.,), one would need to be cautious about what sort of activities one engages in as certain practices and beliefs could lead to perceptual misunderstandings. This could be particularly true for people who practice things that use more higher energy centers w/o (as geminiwolf mentioned) the grounding. Something like, 'by the fruit you should know them'.
When there is a conflict in belief systems and you believe that this is somehow preventing progress in treatment, it's great to have a conversation with therapist and work things out. It's OK to try to find a therapist who is more in alignment with your belief system. lol I only know about 5 psychologists/therapists who could probably participate in this forum and understand LOO and such but you won't need to find someone who shares your beliefs 100%. You won't need to throw out Ra Material completely either. The core basic teaching is universal and valuable. I would caution against getting in touch with Ra or trying to channel. Those activities that require higher energy center w/o grounding of stable lower centers is risky for anyone.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - AnthroHeart - 11-08-2013
I believe the basic tenants of the Ra Material are healthy. Concepts such as our higher self serving as an aid, and seeing all things as one. Seeing others as Creator, and seeing the self as Creator are all beneficial. Those aren't particularly ungrounding philosophies. When one gets into balancing energy centers and dealing with intelligent infinity, it is then possible to lose your grounding. And the therapist who does not know about the Ra Material might have a hard time knowing what is grounding. But there is grounding in non-spiritual terms. Focusing on what is "real".
I agree about trying to get in touch with Ra. They have even warned me not to call on them anymore. It's easy for me to get ungrounded, and for the negative entities to step in, as I am a naive individual. I also am labeled with bipolar, so it's easy for things I come across to make me in a bad mood. And the same can be said for good mood too.
Thanks Rie for the background information. I think I'm doing alright. Just trying to be a good contributor to this site. I don't want to feel like I'm getting too obsessed with anything or causing too much catalyst in others. I hope I am contributing in a worthwhile manner to discussions that go on here.
What really messed me up was when I opened my heart to Lucifer, thinking we are all things. Things then started getting scary. I also believed that Ra and Lucifer were one.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - reeay - 11-11-2013
You're doing an amazing job
keep it furry!Add: This is more about hearing voices but this lady's story is pretty remarkable.
http://www.ted.com/talks/eleanor_longden_the_voices_in_my_head.html
RE: Seeing a Therapist - AnthroHeart - 01-09-2014
The good news is that the court appointed psychiatrist found me insane at the time of the incident, so there's a good chance the court may dismiss the case. I will find out Feb 5th.
Thanks rie. Keeping it furry/anthro. I still haven't figured out if the voices that you hear under schizophrenia are actual entities, or are just a part of our own selves.
Xise, I don't usually meditate on certain experiences. I meditate in general, and use it to feel the energy, to tune in. When I can accept green ray, I feel more open and hopeful for the future. Indigo ray I'm not so concerned about.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - caycegal - 01-09-2014
Everything is actually part of our selves, they say. However, when I feel negative energy around me I choose to visualize or think of it as being external - something outside of my real self that is trying to hook into my energy field. I endeavor to see myself as having the freedom to "change the channel" to a different frequency of vibration. Also, sometimes I visualize a shield of Christ energy surrounding me and preventing the negative hooks from penetrating. Sometimes I tell myself that the negative energy I feel around some people is my psychic reading of their vibration - it's not actually my feeling but their feeling, because I'm so sensitive, that I'm picking up. These techniques work for me quite a bit of the time.
RE: Seeing a Therapist - MDL5 - 01-10-2014
(09-15-2013, 04:55 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I'm seeing a therapist monthly. He's helping keep me grounded, but his philosophy is different than the Law of One. To him, me thinking that the Universe is alive, is being delusional. But he puts it much more friendly like that. He says that this type of thinking has gotten me in trouble in the past with my delusions of grandeur.
So how do you know that what you seek is truth, and not just a delusion? As long as I can stay grounded. But when I'm having an episode, I can't stay grounded, and I live in between planes (the physical and mental planes), where reality can be different. It's not so much being on my meds, as they allow me to explore the infinite without trying so hard to ground.
I think having a therapist is helpful, and I enjoy talking to him. But when what he says from his point of view conflicts with my beliefs, which do I choose?
in my opinion every concept out there is something and so many concepts point of veiws etc can get so confusing and sometimes searching to hard for the answer can make the answer unreachable, think of what the message is..ur therapists point of veiw has absolutely no relevence in the big picture neither does yours or mine it is partly seeing the truth that it doesnt matter about having different veiws,,,,: it matters about what we feel and do. you and only you can choose to feel and do what ever you want. the outcome of what you feel and do can be great just choose the emotion and action that instinctively feels right.
(10-30-2013, 01:04 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Just saw my therapist yesterday. He is very good at what he does, and explains things to me in a way I can understand. And I look forward to seeing him every month.
I told him about my suicidal thoughts that come up, and he mentioned those were impulses (or some other "i" word), that are common. And as long as we don't act on them, they tend to go away on their own.
I mentioned to him my interest in Care Bears and he mentioned to me the sense of innocence and regression that demonstrates. He said that in childhood I may have been missing these things, which is why I think of them now.
Care Bears are anthros too, which is one reason I like them. They are very positive is another. And magical is another.
When I was a kid I wanted a Belly Badge like they have, that symbol on their belly to create the Care Bear Stare.
When I got home, I ordered the box set of Original care Bears from Amazon. I joined Amazon Prime and was able to watch a Care Bears movie. There are a few other movies on there too. I think that Amazon says 44,000 movies are available to watch. that probably includes Series as well. I usually like to spend my free time on this board, and meditating, so I don't watch much tv. Care Bears are about it that I watch now. It makes me feel like a kid again.
all i can say is no love comes from the suicidal thoughts, always have love in your heart but no fake love and joy actual innocent love and joy and do not look for a reason to do this because the reasons are everywhere the little flower deep deep in the rainforrest away from absolutely everything on the edge of a small creek with a tiny little lady bug crawling on it comes from pure love everything does the creator must choose love not hate and even one person out of billions can create an infinit amount and extremly powerful amount of love and positiveness that effects more than they could ever realize: the entire universe